if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained?"
-- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
Why Huckles Scares Me
by Lee
I don’t want to single him out, but in the great debate going on in this post qdpsteve left the following comment.
When President Huckabee has named himself Pope of America and he’s demanding that you pay extra taxes to support your hedonistic atheistic lifestyle, THEN you can scream your heads off.
My opposition to Huckles is primarily because he sees absolutely no distinction between religion and politics. None whatsoever. In fact, he sees politics as an extension of his religious faith.
A pastor from Texas was scheduled to deliver the sermon Sunday at a church here called the Crossing.
But instead this small evangelical congregation heard from a different special guest: Baptist minister and 2008 presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, who delivered a sermon of more than 20 minutes on how to be part of “God’s Army” in the middle school cafeteria where the congregation meets.
“When we become believers, it’s as if we have signed up to be part of God’s Army, to be soldiers for Christ,” Huckabee told the enthusiastic audience.
<…>
“When you give yourself to Christ, some relationships have to go,” he said. “It’s no longer your life; you’ve signed it over.”
Likening service to God to service in the military, Huckabee said “there is suffering in the conditioning for battle” and “you obey the orders.”
<…>
“If we know the Lord, there ought to be joy,” Huckabee said.
Now, exactly what office is he running for, president or pope? If you happen to view yourself as a soldier in the Army of Christ then maybe his words will resonate with you. But if you’re an atheist, or a Jew, or a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or a Christian who happens to not be a wacko fundamentalist lunatic, then his words might just scare the living shit out of you. Because I know that they scare the shit out of me.
When you give yourself to Christ some relationships have to go, like the separation of church and state, right? Or maybe fealty to the US Constitution over the Christian Bible? That one’s out the window as well. Because everything is for Christ’s glory, that pesky old America can come second.
Remember folks, his campaign slogan is “Faith. Family. Freedom.” Look at what comes first and look at what comes third. So, you tell me, is he the type of guy who would name himself Pope of America? Because he sure as hell sounds like it.
I’m supposed to be terrified of religious extremists who are 6,000 miles from America. I’m far more terrified of one becoming the president. What happens when this delusional bastard hears God’s voice telling him to nuke Iran?
Comments
I also was going to ask you why you refrained from hitting the Right Wing Asshole, or the Religion and Sky pixie category for this guy.
The thing that gets me is that he’s really doing nothing more than towing the party line, and I wouldn’t expect him to last that long in the rest of the states.
All of the cantidates are hitting the hotbed issues, but the thing with the Fuckster, is that he sounds like he’d do what he said. Romney has exposed his hand on abortion, and that’s been his decline within the party.
I found it amusing that the deal breaker owuld be something so stupid, but it apparently matters to the fundietards that you say you hate abortion and would outlaw it even though you never actually will.
they’re apying attention to that issue more than any other, and the numbers are speaking for it. Any cantidate that avoids abortion on the GOP side is getting hammered.
We can be dying or dead the planet over as americans, but bringing every child to term is the most important thing in the entire world.
Nothing Else Matters.
Suckabee might be the only R that could get me to vote D simply because half a vote against him is not enough.
I found it amusing that the deal breaker owuld be something so stupid, but it apparently matters to the fundietards that you say you hate abortion and would outlaw it even though you never actually will.
It’s got nothing to do with abortion, really, and far more to do with simply coercive social policies. I’m sick of the force of government being used to determine how I live my life, and I’m especially sick of being told that it’s proper for the government to force me to lead a virtuous Christian lifestyle.
Suckabee might be the only R that could get me to vote D simply because half a vote against him is not enough.
If the choice came down to Huckles or Obama I’d vote for Obama.
If the choice came down to Huckles or Obama I’d vote for Obama.
This is why the dems are so hoping Huckles gets the nomination. Landslide ....
The scarier quote from Huckles is when he explains why he got into politics:
“I didn’t get into politics because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn’t have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives.”
If the choice came down to Huckles or Obama I’d vote for Obama.
My parents and I were discussing the election last night and we all came to the exact same conclusion.
What scares me about Huckabee? That he could actually make anyone in my family vote Democrat…
I’m sick of the force of government being used to determine how I live my life
That sounds more like anarchy than anything else.
and I’m especially sick of being told that it’s proper for the government to force me to lead a virtuous Christian lifestyle.
110% agree. This is why I will vote for absolutely anyone over Huckabee.
I didn’t think it was possible to have anyone who could do more damage to this country than Dubya, but then along comes this turd wrangler. Hell, I’d even vote for Dubya over Huckabee.
“Army of God” is not something that should ever exist. We’ve had that at various times throughout human history. It has been uniformly bad.
What happens when this delusional bastard hears God’s voice telling him to nuke Iran?
Iran glows in the dark and we are embroiled in WWIII for no fucking good reason…
Well, hopefully Huckabee’s blatant pandering to evangelicals leads to his downfall. If most people don’t see him for the fundamentalist nutjob that he is. At least they will see how unintelligent most of his statements regarding science are.
If you happen to view yourself as a soldier in the Army of Christ then maybe his words will resonate with you.
Sounded like a typical Baptist sermon to me. “Army of Christ” - serving the Lord.
If the choice came down to Huckles or Obama I’d vote for Obama.
This is why the dems are so hoping Huckles gets the nomination. Landslide ....
I agree. The Reps had better get that figured out or we’re in trouble.
This has been a topic of conversation with a bunch of my buddies ever since Huckleberry-for-jesus started to get serious press coverage.
Obama over Huckster in a flash, but its a toss-up between him and Hillary as both are equally evil.
“When you give yourself to Christ, some relationships have to go,” he said. “It’s no longer your life; you’ve signed it over.”
I hate when people say this. It implies a loss of free will. Lee hit on this point in some of his responses in the other thread.
People may choose to change their lives, in coming to Christ. Most do. But “you’ve signed it over”? No way.
This is the kind of stuff that makes evangelicals scary, and Huckabee more so because he might wind up in an actual position of power, believing this nonsense.
Obama over Huckster in a flash, but its a toss-up between him and Hillary as both are equally evil.
No, Huckabee is the greater evil. Hillary believes she can influence the political process to her worldview; Huckabee believes he’s above the system, and that God will make things happen for him.
I don’t think he’s politicking when he says this stuff; I think he truly believes it.
Huckabee is the only candidate I’d vote for Hillary against.
Come on, McCain or Thompson…
Huckabee is the only candidate I’d vote for Hillary against.
I’d have to stay home. I don’t think I could make myself vote for Hillary.
Come on, McCain or Thompson…
Thompson.
Thank God (hehe) there are many of you here who would not vote for Huckabee. There is hope for America yet;)
Heh. I am hoping that just once in my life I can vote FOR someone in a national election, rather than AGAINST the worse of 2 bads.
Faith. Family. Freedom
Reminds me of an old college campaign slogan:
“We believe in a man and his animals; a man and his land; a man and his wife.”
I’m still not understanding his ‘fair’ tax yet, except for one detail. It’s going to (once again) put the burdens of taxation on the middle class.
Interestingly, this may be the only thing he has proposed that I could get behind. I would like it fleshed out a little more but the concept is sound.
I feel only so bad when the rich are taxed to support the poor, but I am livid when the middle class is the one that suffers, because that’s me. That’s most people.
Self interest aside, a wrong is wrong no matter who the victim is.
He’s not conservative by any means, and his solution to medicine was absurd.
The fact that he ran his state like a populist liberal disqualified him at the onset from my support. But at least he has a track record. What does Obama have?
Obama over Huckster in a flash, but its a toss-up between him and Hillary as both are equally evil.
I’ve heard this before, why is Hillary worse? Obama has a more liberal voting record (when he votes at all) than Hillary, both are committed socialists, both are on record for repairing the system on the backs of the so called “rich”.
Sounded like a typical Baptist sermon to me. “Army of Christ” - serving the Lord.
Yes, it is a simple distinction and much ado about nothing, but should not get in the way of Lee having another good rant on the topic. Lets not forget the contortions some here put themselves through when they heard that Dubya actually prayed for guidance.
Heh. I am hoping that just once in my life I can vote FOR someone in a national election, rather than AGAINST the worse of 2 bads.
I don’t know how old you are dwex, but I have not had that luxury for the last 25 years.
Come on, McCain or Thompson…
If you really think Thompson has any hope, put some money on betfair. A $1 bet gets you $600 if he wins the presidency :)
You get lower odds with Al Gore who has made it clear he istn’t running!
Thank God (hehe) there are many of you here who would not vote for Huckabee. There is hope for America yet;)
Out of interest, is there anyone here who would vote for Huckles over another Bush term?
If you really think Thompson has any hope, put some money on betfair. A $1 bet gets you $600 if he wins the presidency :)
You get lower odds with Al Gore who has made it clear he istn’t running!
I don’t think Thompson has any shot, but I can hope, can’t I? Actually, he’s my 2nd choice to McCain, as of now.
Out of interest, is there anyone here who would vote for Huckles over another Bush term?
Not me. Especially if the Bush in question were HW instead of Dubya
I don’t know how old you are dwex, but I have not had that luxury for the last 25 years.
That’s about right. I’ll be 43 in a couple of months.
Look, I’m not a fan of Huckabee (in fact, I’d go for Obama over him), and certainly don’t find it proper that he’s preaching while campaigning. However, what he says about giving one’s life over to Christ is pretty much true.
Only if you’re one of those that subjugates free will, zoomzoom. His is a fundamentalist intepretation. Not all Christians believe that way.
I,m catholic..one pope is enough for me.
Count me in on the Obama over Huckabee boat. If it’s Hill or Edwards I’ll just stay home.
But seriously other than fundies where is dumbHucks support coming from? I’ve never seen 1 person on the intertubes support him since he threw his hat in, never seen 1 bumper sticker, never overheard anyone, I just don’t understand. I’m starting to look forward to the death of the GOP. Better sooner than later.
Sounded like a typical Baptist sermon to me. “Army of Christ” - serving the Lord.
True. And were this guy running for president of his local Baptist Church I couldn’t give a shit. But if he believes he’s part of an Army of Christ, and then he becomes Commander in Chief of the United States Army, I worry that he’ll fail to be able to make the distinction.
Obama, definitely.
Out of interest, is there anyone here who would vote for Huckles over another Bush term?
That’s a tough one to answer. Not much difference I expect though.
I’ll probably vote for McCain or Obama...while holding my nose with the other hand either way.
Huck and Rommney both scare me.
Next entry: Paulestinian Car Swarm Watch
Previous entry: More on Tigers
Server Drive
Who's Logged In
Total Members: 2754
Total Logged in members: 3
Total guests: 44
Total anonymous users: 1
,
Miguelito,
Rann,
Section8,
Capitalism
Search
Search this site with Google
Search will take you to Google.com, which will display results from Right-Thinking and link you back here. Search using pMachineRecent Comments
The Resignacuda
(21 total, Last @ 08:29)
Section8: the issue is whether or not Sarah Palin has a thick enough skin for politics. No she does not obviously, and I've stated plenty of times she's not my cup of tea for office; however, to pretend she and her kids weren't attacked far worse than most on a personal…
The Resignacuda
(21 total, Last @ 06:05)
Seattle Outcast: How about a never ending campaign of vicious remarks about Obama’s wife especially when she’s playing Glamor Girl in the middle of a deep recession Every time I see one of those "Michelle is so hot!" things I just point out what a fucking butter face she it. Seriously -…
The Resignacuda
(21 total, Last @ 05:59)
salinger: Sally, I call COMPLETE bullshit on this “friends in Alaska tell me” crap. Sorry dude - I visit Alaska just about every other year to work with teachers up there so I know quite a few folks. This particular person I'm referring to is a librarian at an Anchorage Middle…
The Resignacuda
(21 total, Last @ 04:51)
flogg: I have an idea. How about a never ending campaign of vicious remarks about Obama’s wife especially when she’s playing Glamor Girl in the middle of a deep recession, but I guess that would just lower us to the level of the hateful vile right wing monster Rush Limbaugh Wow,…
Happy 4th of July!
(1 total, Last @ 04:12)
Manwhore: PS: I’m sure Hal with his extraordinary writing skills will have a more in depth and philosophical thread at some point and as always won’t disappoint. No pressure though :) Hal's good, but you guys were selected by JimK to carry on this legacy, so give yourself some kudos. I…
Last 30 Comments
There’s much more than you describe to be scared of the fuckster, IMHO. Looking at the way he spends money should have him stepping over the line and running as a democrat. He’s not conservative by any means, and his solution to medicine was absurd.
I’m still not understanding his ‘fair’ tax yet, except for one detail. It’s going to (once again) put the burdens of taxation on the middle class.
I feel only so bad when the rich are taxed to support the poor, but I am livid when the middle class is the one that suffers, because that’s me. That’s most people.
the fuckster is a stealth liberal who’s campaign is to promise baby boomers quick and easy medicine, protection of medial insurance and Social security, a one foot in/one foot out approach to Iraq, and then sprinkle all of the fundie rhetoric. Bring to boil.