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Where Is Zombie Goldwater?
by Lee

My mother just forwarded over the following email making the rounds.  It came from a friend of my father’s who works in the oil industry, and one presumes is a Republican Conservative of some nature.

Well, this will really make you think…..thought that you should see this information.  Check the site below as well.

Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can’t wait for it to happen. This is like the movie ‘The Sting with Paul Newman’; you scam somebody out of some money and they don’t even know what happened.

I normally just ignore this sort of thing, but I was so angry I couldn’t let this one go.  My response is posted below.  Please feel free to pike it for your own use if you like.


Friends,

I normally don’t respond “en masse” to these types of things when I receive them, but I think this is such a vitally important issue, especially in an election year, that I have decided to respond, solely out of a sense of “telling the whole story.” I have been a registered Republican my whole life, but earlier this year I became a Libertarian, and it is precisely over this issue.

Yes, the Clintons taxed us more. But, believe it or not, they also spent less than Bush has.  Much, much less.  Here’s one report from the Libertarian Cato Institute.  (I recommend you all click the links below and read the articles in full, as many of them contain numerous graphs easily showing the unholy spending increases under Bush II versus Clinton.)

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3750

President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson. Even after excluding spending on defense and homeland security, Bush is still the biggest-spending president in 30 years. His 2006 budget doesn’t cut enough spending to change his place in history, either.

Total government spending grew by 33 percent during Bush’s first term. The federal budget as a share of the economy grew from 18.5 percent of GDP on Clinton’s last day in office to 20.3 percent by the end of Bush’s first term.

The Republican Congress has enthusiastically assisted the budget bloat. Inflation-adjusted spending on the combined budgets of the 101 largest programs they vowed to eliminate in 1995 has grown by 27 percent.

The GOP was once effective at controlling nondefense spending. The final nondefense budgets under Clinton were a combined $57 billion smaller than what he proposed from 1996 to 2001. Under Bush, Congress passed budgets that spent a total of $91 billion more than the president requested for domestic programs. Bush signed every one of those bills during his first term. Even if Congress passes Bush’s new budget exactly as proposed, not a single cabinet-level agency will be smaller than when Bush assumed office.

Next, we have a report from the conservative Heritage Foundation.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/tst021606a.cfm

Conventional wisdom holds that non-defense discretionary spending has been cut to make room for defense spending increases. Conventional wisdom is wrong. According to OMB Historical Table 8.2, non-defense discretionary outlays – adjusted for inflation –surged by 34 percent between 1999 and 2005. That is the largest six-year expansion since the 1970s.

One way to compare current discretionary spending trends is by presidential administration:

Overall discretionary outlays rose 2.3 percent annually under President Clinton, compared to 9.7 percent annually under President Bush. Defense was virtually frozen in nominal dollars under President Clinton, and has averaged 12 percent annual growth under President Bush. Non-defense discretionary outlays rose 4 percent annually under President Clinton, versus 8 percent annually under President Bush.

Let me re-emphasize that last point: Non-defense discretionary spending has grown twice as fast under President Bush as under President Clinton. Examples of discretionary spending increases between 2001 and 2006 include the following:

Education is up 62 percent, or 10 percent annually; International affairs is up 74 percent, or 12 percent annually; Health research and regulation is up 57 percent, or 9 percent annually; Veterans’ benefits are up 46 percent, or 8 percent annually; Science and basic research is up 40 percent, or 7 percent annually. and Overall non-defense discretionary outlays are up 46 percent, or 7.8 percent annually.

Here’s another Heritage report.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/wm398.cfm

Federal spending’s drag on the economy is now over $20,000 per household—its highest level since World War II—and growing. Mandatory spending reached 11 percent of GDP for the first time ever. The recent Medicare drug bill represents a huge long-term burden on the fiscal health of this country. It was a massive entitlement expansion passed with no financing program to pay for it and is estimated by CBO to cost well over $2 trillion dollars over a 20-year period. The final check for this program will come due just when Social Security and Medicare run out of money.

Spending has increased twice as fast under President Bush as it did under President Clinton. From 2001 to 2003 total spending grew by 16 percent. Certainly the terror attacks of 9/11 placed additional demands on spending for homeland security, a strong defense, and rebuilding New York. However, this accounts for less than half of the new spending that has occurred since 9/11. What was so sorely lacking during this time was self-discipline required to balance fiscal priorities.

Presidents Roosevelt and Truman signed budgets during World War II and the Korean War which actually decreased non-defense spending. However, we saw no such balancing of our fiscal checkbook after 9/11. Instead we saw a spending spree in Washington where budgets written by Congress and signed by the President during the War on Terror actually grew non-defense spending by 11 percent during this period.

Compared to the President’s record of a discretionary spending increase of 27 percent over the past two years, holding discretionary spending to 4 percent growth might seem like quite an accomplishment to some. However it is hardly a prescription for long term fiscal health when taken in the overall context of growth in the budget, its burden on taxpayers, businesses, and families, and the burgeoning deficits looming in the future in Medicare, Social Security, and other programs like the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation.

The President has laid out visions for other priorities such as education and a mission to Mars. Education spending has increased by 65 percent over the past two years, and still the President’s proposals will likely contain additional spending. This comes at a time when cash is piling up in Washington because states cannot spend it quickly enough.

Cost estimates for the President’s space initiatives range from $500 billion to $1 trillion. But the fact is we just do not know how much it will cost for a mission to Mars, complete with a pit stop on the moon. The President has a vision of new technology to explore this new frontier and would be engaging the country on a long-range project. Past experience tells us that such grand undertakings are plagued with cost overruns, delays, and technical difficulties. The start up costs identified by the President are just a minimum down payment on the ultimate costs of this initiative, and he has presented no long-range plan to finance such costs. The full costs will most likely come into play just as the bitter fiscal reality of the Social Security and Medicare problems confront the nation.

And here’s how the indispensable FactCheck.org covers the subject.

http://www.factcheck.org/defending_spending_bushs_blooper.html

Discretionary spending—meaning spending that is subject to annual legislative appropriations, as opposed to spending for entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare—actually grew only 5.6% in Clinton ‘s last budget year (fiscal year 2001, which began October 1, 2000).

Since then discretionary spending has not “steadily declined” as the President said, but has gone up. In fact, the growth has been much faster than under Clinton . In the first year for which President Bush signed the spending bills discretionary spending growth soared to 13.1%, and annual growth remained in double digits through the current fiscal year.

You will never meet a more pro-market, low-tax capitalist whore than me.  I find the thought of another Clinton presidency to be absolutely nauseating.  I became a Republican 20 years ago (I’m 38) because I fundamentally disagreed with the tax-and-spend policies of the Democrats.  The problem, however, is that in the last decade we’ve seen the Republican Congress literally writing itself blank checks to increase domestic spending on all sorts of issues that have traditionally been the purview of the Democrats.

The fact of the matter is, tax increases—big ones—are now inevitable, because society has grown used to suckling at the government teat, and neither party wants to be the one to tighten the belt at the expense of fabulous cash and prizes doled out as government freebies.  Clinton was significantly more fiscally sound than Bush has been.  Whether taxes are raised under the next president or not, the indisputable fact is that the current president has been spending the money of your children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.  I hope that you find this idea as obscene as I do.  I am going to spend the rest of my life paying higher taxes because of the spending spree undertaken over the last decade or so by Bush and the GOP Congress.

Think of your own household budget.  Could you spend money like this and remain fiscally solvent?

Obviously there are many people concerned with paying higher taxes.  I certainly am one of them.  But if you don’t want to pay higher taxes, then stop voting for the party who keeps spending money it doesn’t have.  It’s a shame that in this election cycle the only candidate talking seriously about these issues was the kooky weirdo Ron Paul, a man with no possible chance of ever being elected.

I have voted in every election since 1988. I am seriously considering not voting this year, for the simple reason that I see very little difference between the parties.  Both of them are strict believers in the transformationalist nature of government.  The only difference is that the Democrats will raise your taxes *now* to pay for their spending, while the Republicans will write an IOU so that someone else (i.e. your kids) can pay for it *later*.

It’s time for Republicans to stop this “compassionate conservative” nonsense.  It’s not like people didn’t see this coming.  In the preeminent conservative magazine “National Review,” Jonah Goldberg wrote the following in 2003.

“Bush spends too much money. Period. This is one of the downsides of so-called compassionate conservatism, because inherent to the very concept is that the governmemt should do something to prove its “compassion.” Combine this wih the Rovian desire to expand the Republican base to constituencies who want more—rather than less—from government and you have recipe for vast expansions in government spending.”

As you participate in the political process, keep this issue in mind.  As far as I am concerned, government spending is the single greatest threat to the future of the United States, a hell of a lot greater than terrorism.  Your chances of being the victim of a terrorist attack are about 10 times *less* than your chances of being struck by lightning, but your chances of a grim financial future are all but guaranteed due to this country’s spendthrift nature.

As long as we keep electing politicians who promise to “do something,” we can’t complain when the bill for what they have done comes due.  All the best to everyone.

Posted by Lee on 02/29/08 at 09:58 PM (Discuss this in the forums)

Comments


Posted by Manwhore on 02/29/08 at 10:35 PM from United States

Dude, it’s damage control. I hate McCain as equally as I hate Obama.

This country is now qibbling over who will do the least damage to our great land. I wanted to believe in Obama, as much as a sane Ron Paul sounded cool.

However, the mindset of the people doesn’t seem to chime. Two parties after the same thing, to a greater or lesser extent is the new rule.

Posted by Lee on 02/29/08 at 10:55 PM from China

This country is now qibbling over who will do the least damage to our great land.

Yeah, but what most of the country doesn’t realize (as evidenced by the original email I received) is just how much damage is being done.  To use an illustration I have relied on many times in the past, the country is arguing over who will kick us in the balls 37 times and not 38.  Either way, we’re still getting kicked in the balls a hell of a lot of times.

Our nation is in a hospital bed, dying of a horrible disease, and the electorate is arguing about whether the curtains in the hospital room should be open or closed.

Posted by on 02/29/08 at 10:57 PM from United States

The fact of the matter is, tax increases—big ones—are now inevitable, because society has grown used to suckling at the government teat

The problem with this line of thinking is the assumption that government cannot expand further, it can.

As far as I am concerned, government spending is the single greatest threat to the future of the United States, a hell of a lot greater than terrorism.

Spending and the current economic environment we find ourselve in. With the dollar dropping like a stone as fast as commodity prices are rising, the fed has basically capitulated, saying they can’t address both recession and inflation, so they will stave off one (recession) and surrender to the other, we are going to go through some tough times ahead.

I am seriously considering not voting this year, for the simple reason that I see very little difference between the parties.

This is where I get idealistic and try to appeal to your rational side. We agree that spending is a problem and that government is too big. If you really want to change course, the choice here is obvious. For whatever reasons the hard right has for challenging McCain’s conservative credentials, a strict adherence to fiscal restraint is not one of them. I have posted his record on earmarks and his pledge to veto any spending bills that come across his desk with earmarks attached. He has been a consistant stalwart for limited government and advocated “paygo” years before this Democratic congress latched onto the idea (not the execution as we have seen in the last year).

Obama will not only raise taxes (included in this is a marginal tax rate raise, captial gains and interest income raise) but will also find many pet projects which i have also catalogued here to spend this new found money so there will be no reduction of the defecit or a reduction of the national debt.

Posted by Manwhore on 02/29/08 at 11:02 PM from United States

Our nation is in a hospital bed, dying of a horrible disease, and the electorate is arguing about whether the curtains in the hospital room should be open or closed.

China has really done a number on you. When I am worshipping them and there is no domestic industry, I will be frightened.

Until then, keep a watchfull eye on your adress there. It could get sour very fast. That was my observation as someone who lived your life there.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 03/01/08 at 04:27 AM from United States

This is why I have said, for a long time, that there is no such thing as “the Bush tax cuts”. George Bush did not cut taxes. All he did was delay them.  With interest.

Posted by dwex on 03/01/08 at 06:04 AM from United States

"tax and spend” > “spend and spend”

Vote Republican for the sole reason of creating gridlock. Gridlock is good.

Posted by on 03/01/08 at 06:44 AM from United States

Great post, Lee.

As you participate in the political process, keep this issue in mind.  As far as I am concerned, government spending is the single greatest threat to the future of the United States, a hell of a lot greater than terrorism.  Your chances of being the victim of a terrorist attack are about 10 times *less* than your chances of being struck by lightning, but your chances of a grim financial future are all but guaranteed due to this country’s spendthrift nature.

I have tried so hard to explain this to people.  It is really hard for people to understand risk.  Fear is not a very rational emotion.

Posted by dog on 03/01/08 at 12:42 PM from United States

I just dont understand how they can spend more than we pay in taxes.  This just drives me nutss?

And i tell you this i dont think either presidental candidiate is going to balance the budget.  I dont think McCain has the stomach for it (could be wrong here) and Obama is a liberal of old and well those budgets didnt get balanced either.

david

Posted by Lee on 03/01/08 at 02:07 PM from China

China has really done a number on you. When I am worshipping them and there is no domestic industry, I will be frightened.

Huh?  Most of the links in this article, all but one if I remember correctly, came from links on this blog.  I’ve been saying this for about five years, and I’ve been in China less than five months.  To put this on China is crazy.

Posted by Lee on 03/01/08 at 02:12 PM from China

And i tell you this i dont think either presidental candidiate is going to balance the budget

Of course they aren’t.  It’s the main reason I’m seriously considering not voting this year.

Posted by Ed Kline on 03/01/08 at 03:55 PM from United States

, a hell of a lot greater than terrorism.  Your chances of being the victim of a terrorist attack are about 10 times *less* than your chances of being struck by lightning,

Mcveigh killed what was it 147?, 164? dont remember. I have no idea how many were killed in the first bombing of the trade center or the Cole incident. 240 some odd marines killed in 82 or 83, and 3000 killed in 2001. About 300 Americans get killed by lightning every year...so since 1970 thats 11,400 roughly, so yes lightning is a greater threat, but not ten times as great, and it also doesnt have the capability of making up ground in big spurts like terrorism could with a bio or nuclear attack.
just musing, but I think in general I agree with the sentment of your argument....as I often do.

Posted by Lee on 03/01/08 at 10:18 PM from China

so yes lightning is a greater threat, but not ten times as great, and it also doesnt have the capability of making up ground in big spurts like terrorism could with a bio or nuclear attack.

I wasn’t counting the Cole or Khobar or any of that stuff because it didn’t take place inside the continental US, which is where our citizens (who are afraid of terrist attack) live.  Considering that we’ve got Oklahoma City (168 lives) and 9/11 (2974 lives), you’re looking at 3,142 people.

OKC was 13 years ago.  Assuming your 300 number is correct, that’s 3,900.  So we’re already way ahead.

However, I don’t think it’s really fair to include OKC in there, because it was rightly treated as a law enforcement problem, we didn’t start implementing torture of enemy combatants for any of that shit until after 9/11.  So you’re looking at 2,974 lives (9/11) versus 3,900 for lightning strikes.

One more aspect is statistics and probability.  You’re assuming that the likelihood of being attacked by a terrorist is the same as being struck by lightning.  We lost 2,974 people on 9/11.  That same year there were 300 lightning strikes.  In the years 2002 to 2007 there were no terrorist attacks, whereas every year there are 300 lightning strikes.  Thus your chances of getting struck by lightning are far greater than your chances of being killed by a terrorist, simply because terrorist attacks almost never happen here.

Posted by Ed Kline on 03/02/08 at 01:09 PM from United States

One more aspect is statistics and probability.  You’re assuming that the likelihood of being attacked by a terrorist is the same as being struck by lightning.  We lost 2,974 people on 9/11.  That same year there were 300 lightning strikes.  In the years 2002 to 2007 there were no terrorist attacks, whereas every year there are 300 lightning strikes.  Thus your chances of getting struck by lightning are far greater than your chances of being killed by a terrorist, simply because terrorist attacks almost never happen here.

Lee, I am certainly not convinced of that being true in a post 9/11 world...I am quite certain that in the next 20 years there will be another major terrorist attack in the continental United States, and it will maker up for a reasonably high percentage of lightning strikes that occur in the meantime. Lastly I understand that terrorist attacks are much more unlikley than lightning strikes, but lightning rarely kills mroe than one person at a time ( occasionally planes) whilst terrorists do have a nearly unlimited potential for mayhem. I get statistics and probability very well Lee, as that I feed, clothe and shelter myself ,wife, and 6 kids ( my two, and 4 step children) in Las Vegas playing poker with no other means of support.
But again, I generally agree with your point about these ridiculous policies and the general fear-mongering.

Posted by Ed Kline on 03/02/08 at 01:18 PM from United States

Thus your chances of getting struck by lightning are far greater than your chances of being killed by a terrorist, simply because terrorist attacks almost never happen here.

I dont think I was clear here....to your above statement.....no.
Terrorist attacks dont have to happen as often to get similar numbers. Also my chances of getting killed by lightning go up somewhat dramatically if I run around in thunder storms holding a long iron pole up as high as I can. ( they contra wise go down if I stay inside which I generally do.) Living in Vegas and spending an inordinate amount of time in casinos, I am more ripe to die by terrorist attack than your average farmer in Nebraska. But this whole thing is about the probability of an American, any AmericaN dying from terroist attack on U.S. soil as opposed to a lightning strike, and I think in the next 40-50 years we are sadly going to find out that lightning is going to get a run for its money. Torture, general fearmongering, searching old ladies at airports, while pissing off the entire Arab world is not going to make us safer, and eventually we are going to get hit again...hard. Just my opinion, I hope I am wrong.

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