if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained?"
-- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
Watchoo Talkin’ About, Willis?
Well, I just don’t know how much stock to put in this.
Dear Congressman Paul:
Your Presidential campaign has drawn the enthusiastic support of an imposing collection of Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Holocaust Deniers, 9/11 “Truthers” and other paranoid and discredited conspiracists.
Do you welcome-or repudiate-the support of such factions?
More specifically, your columns have been featured for several years in the American Free Press-a publication of the nation’s leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semetic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the Nazi SS, and glowingly describe the “comforts and amenities” provided for inmates of Auschwitz.
Have your columns appeared in The American Free Press with your knowledge and approval?
Now, Ron Paul may be many things, but...a Texas Nazi? C’mon, Mr. Medved, surely you can do better than this.
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Last time I looked, the people in question were US citizens, with the right to support a candidate for President if they choose to do so.
Of course, to Medved and other neocons, the only rightful citizens are those who chant “Bush rules, Bush rules, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare.”
The best thing to do in such a situation is ignore them.
Publicly refuting them just draws attention to them, associates them with you in people’s minds, and gives credence to such morons as Medved.
All it shows is that even people like white supremacists and 9-11 Truthers… for all of their odd passionate beliefs… still can believe in things like fiscal responsibility and limited government.
I am more interested to know what Paul would do with NASA.
The best thing to do in such a situation is ignore them.
Publicly refuting them just draws attention to them, associates them with you in people’s minds, and gives credence to such morons as Medved.
yeah probably the best policy.
hopefully he put Rand Simberg in the NASA hot seat.I am more interested to know what Paul would do with NASA.
Last time I looked, the people in question were US citizens, with the right to support a candidate for President if they choose to do so.
That doesn’t mean nobody can point out that they’re wrong, crazy and sometimes just plain evil. And I’m sure fiscal responsibility is what has them cheering.
I’m not concerned about such marginalized docile radicals in contrast to the real threat of the authoritarians, the power hungry, the torturers, the warmongers, and the those who seek to destroy the dollar and America’s principles with it (that being most of the other candidates and their special interest lobbyist supporters).
It’s been nice. But I need to get back to the KKKonservative VRWC HQ and help plot which brown-skinned nations’ oil we want to steal next, and how best to destroy the AmeriKKKan way of life that we hate so much. Oh dear, I’ve said too much.
I’m not concerned about such marginalized docile radicals…
Really? It doesn’t concern you at all that this guy is attracting a bunch of nutters and Nazis for one reason or another? Yes, they’re well within their rights to support whatever candidate they like, but if you were running for office, would you like to have support from people like that? Would you repudiate them, or would you accept their support?
I’d do neither. I’d ignore them and never consider them again. What does it matter that such people support him. Paul’s ideology and platform are absolutely in contrast with theirs. He already denounced their ideology in the speeches he’s given, what more do you need? Perhaps, racist ideology aside, these idiots are really interested in sound monetary policy or not globe trotting the world in pursuit of war. Or maybe freedom is popular!
Or maybe pompous assholes tend to agglutinate to the leadership of the King Pompous Asshole.
What does it matter that such people support him.
What does it matter? Seriously? You even have to ask? The man is attracting some of the worst kooks America has to offer to his candidacy and you don’t have a problem with that? I’d want to step back and take a long look at myself if I was a public figure whose policies, for one reason or another, were attracting the support of a bunch of loony conspiracy theorists and, much worse, Nazis.
And I would definitely want to repudiate those people in public. As a candidate for office, you may not be able to choose which people want to associate with you, but you can certainly cast off people whose support is undesirable. If Ron Paul wants to be taken seriously, he should publicly renounce the 9/11 “Truthers” and the neo-Nazis, and his campaign should work to identify their donations so that they may be returned.
After all, the company that you choose to keep says a lot about you.
Paul’s ideology and platform are absolutely in contrast with theirs. He already denounced their ideology in the speeches he’s given, what more do you need? Perhaps, racist ideology aside, these idiots are really interested in sound monetary policy or not globe trotting the world in pursuit of war.
Sorry to beat this dead horse, but what I need is a statement that he doesn’t accept the support of Nazis, “Truthers,” and a whole host of nutjobs who don’t represent the Republican Party. You’re really comfortable with writing comments that include phrases like “racist ideology aside”?
Let’s look at this another way. Ron Paul has no chance of winning the GOP primaries. If he decides to run on a third party ticket, he may very well ensure a Hillary(!) presidency. Do you want that?
Sorry to beat this dead horse, but what I need is a statement that he doesn’t accept the support of Nazis, “Truthers,” and a whole host of nutjobs who don’t represent the Republican Party. You’re really comfortable with writing comments that include phrases like “racist ideology aside”?
I get the issue with nazis supporting him (all ten of them) but what is the real issue with “truthers”. Just because you don’t agree with them is some sort of problem?
Istn’t Gulliani’s support of someone who enabled the raping of children more problematic?
I get the issue with nazis supporting him (all ten of them) but what is the real issue with “truthers”. Just because you don’t agree with them is some sort of problem?
Merely not agreeing with them isn’t the problem. Truthers are outright bad people. As long as Ron Paul is their darling, he will never win mainstream support in the US.
As time goes on and more of Ron Paul’s ties to extremists becomes known he will become further marginalized (if that’s possible).
I have a problem with Ron Paul accepting donations from Nazis and keeping the money. Once again; I don’t want a president who is beholden to the worst possible elements of American politics.
Truthers are outright bad people.
Why?
As time goes on and more of Ron Paul’s ties to extremists becomes known he will become further marginalized (if that’s possible).
I have a problem with Ron Paul accepting donations from Nazis and keeping the money. Once again; I don’t want a president who is beholden to the worst possible elements of American politics.
Any evidence to suggest Paul is really getting any money from these Nazis?
Is it really likely to be more money than the racists supporting other republican candidates? Or the homophobes? Or the abortion clinic bombers?
All this ... Paul is only supported by Nazis and Truthers crap is just an example of the logical fallacy “guilt by association”, and is the typical tactic of someone who is more interested in making someone look bad than actually debate their points of view.
Posted by padders on 10/30/07 at 01:52 PM from
Truthers are outright bad people.Why?
Because they suggest that their own countrymen staged a terrorist attack in which they murdered 3,000 people. Only you would need an explanation, padders.
The Truthers are willing to slander any public official by claiming that they had a hand in 9/11. They are willing to claim that the last phone calls by doomed passengers on Flight93 to their loved ones were somehow “faked” by the government. That’s odious, padders.
Truthers are no different than Nazis in that they really just seem to want to shock people with their bullshit claims. They are bad people and you can take it up with your heroes Bill Clinton and Bill Maher if you disagree with me.
Any evidence to suggest Paul is really getting any money from these Nazis?
I can also point out that Stormfront has a direct link on their website for contributing to Ron Paul. It’s also my understanding that there are more than ten.
Is it really likely to be more money than the racists supporting other republican candidates? Or the homophobes? Or the abortion clinic bombers?
If the racists, homophobes, and abortion clinic bombers were counting on the other Republicans to fulfill their agenda of killing blacks, gays, and abortion providers then I would say it’s no different.
The Nazi’s, however, love Ron Paul because they think he’s going to abandon Israel to its fate and get the “Zionists” out of government. That’s a big difference.
All this ... Paul is only supported by Nazis and Truthers crap is just an example of the logical fallacy “guilt by association”, and is the typical tactic of someone who is more interested in making someone look bad than actually debate their points of view.
I’ll debate his points all day if anyone will argue them but they don’t. They just claim that he will “save the Constitution” and never really point to how exactly he’s going to do it.
The Nazi and Truther (along with Muslims now) connection does matter. He is supported by reprehensible people-financially-and he refuses to disavow them. I don’t want a president who owes favors to facists and conspiracy nuts, padders. Why can’t you get it?
Because they suggest that their own countrymen staged a terrorist attack in which they murdered 3,000 people. Only you would need an explanation, padders.
Believing that some ruthless politicians can do such a thing does not make you a bad person in my book. I certainly believe someone like Cheney could do such a thing if he thought it was for the greater good. I don’t think they did at all, but given some of the things they do I certainly think they have it in them. I personally lost the belief that Bush had a single ounce of empathy in him when he did is whole comedy “oh where are the WMDs ... not here, not there ...” routine. Someone who can joke about thousands upon thousands of his country men dieing in a war - and he jokes about the very reason *he* sent them there; would he be capable of killing Americans on purpose, maybe.
The Truthers are willing to slander any public official by claiming that they had a hand in 9/11. They are willing to claim that the last phone calls by doomed passengers on Flight93 to their loved ones were somehow “faked” by the government. That’s odious, padders.
I don’t know the minituae of the various claims the “truthers” make, and I imagine there is a quite general range of reasons or levels of responsibility different people think the government may have had in 911; I am sure some of them will just believe anything that fits their world view - and that makes them ignorant/stupid but not bad, and certainly not people a politicial candidate must reject unsolicited support from.
Truthers are no different than Nazis in that they really just seem to want to shock people with their bullshit claims.
You do have a habit of this argument tactic, Paul’s a Nazi, these guys are Nazis I am sure Hillary is Nazi for some other reason. Seriously, come up with some better material than ignorant logical fallacies.
I can also point out that Stormfront has a direct link on their website for contributing to Ron Paul. It’s also my understanding that there are more than ten.
What exactly can Paul do about this? Sure, you want him to stand up and say “I don’t support Nazis” but you only want him to do this for the same reason you want Hillary to aswer the question “have you stopped having lesbian sex”. Not becuase you care what he thinks but because you want to embarass him.
If the racists, homophobes, and abortion clinic bombers were counting on the other Republicans to fulfill their agenda of killing blacks, gays, and abortion providers then I would say it’s no different.
Do all these people on these sites want to kill Jews? I have no idea as I have never visited but I would imagine some just want a reduction in the percieved (right or wrongly) power of the Jewish lobby in US politics. Is that different from voting for Republicans who want a consitutional ammendment to ban gay marriage or ban abortion?
I am sure there are some terrible people on that neo-nazi site, and I would agree that Paul should return the donation from that known stormfront person, if he hastn’t I imagine it is because he dosen’t want to make an even bigger deal of this pathetic attempt to discredit him. That’s probably a mistake on his part though.
The Nazi’s, however, love Ron Paul because they think he’s going to abandon Israel to its fate and get the “Zionists” out of government. That’s a big difference.
There are a lot of people who believe the US government shouldn’t spend billions and billions a year on supporting Israel’s various wars. Rational and good people can disagree whether this “aid” is a good idea for Americans or not.
The Nazi and Truther (along with Muslims now) connection does matter. He is supported by reprehensible people-financially-and he refuses to disavow them. I don’t want a president who owes favors to facists and conspiracy nuts, padders. Why can’t you get it?
Because honestly, people like Pat Robertson scare me a hell of a lot more.
I certainly believe someone like Cheney could do such a thing if he thought it was for the greater good.
And I believe that you enjoy raping children. Libel is fun!
I don’t know the minituae of the various claims the “truthers” make,
You never disappoint me, padders. Glad to see that even if you you are ignorant of the topic you can still pontificate on it. As usual.
You do have a habit of this argument tactic, Paul’s a Nazi, these guys are Nazis I am sure Hillary is Nazi for some other reason. Seriously, come up with some better material than ignorant logical fallacies.
I never called Paul a Nazi. I just pointed out the obvious fact that he is incredibly popular with Nazis. Talk about Strawmen, padders. After you just said that Cheney could be a mass murderer, you try to put that on me? What a joke.
Do all these people on these sites want to kill Jews? I have no idea as I have never visited but I would imagine some just want a reduction in the percieved (right or wrongly) power of the Jewish lobby in US politics.
Would it kill you to do some research for once?
I am sure there are some terrible people on that neo-nazi site, and I would agree that Paul should return the donation from that known stormfront person, if he hastn’t I imagine it is because he dosen’t want to make an even bigger deal of this pathetic attempt to discredit him. That’s probably a mistake on his part though.
Well, I agree with you. The difference between us is that I think that says a great deal about who Ron Paul really is.
What exactly can Paul do about this?
You could try reading the link I helpfully provided. To wit:
Can Paul confirm that the donation widgets appearing on Stormfront are the result of the site owner’s actions, not the campaign’s?
Will Paul take measures to block Stormfront as a referring URL to his own website, so that no future donations can possibly flow into his campaign from a site that serves as the on-line nexus of neo-Nazism?
Will Paul ask his own web-staff to trace past donations that were made by anyone arriving at his campaign’s webpage from Stormfront, so that these contributions can be rejected?
Will Paul explore if there are any legal actions available to try to remove his donation widget from Stormfront, and if so pursue them?
At the very least, will Paul personally state publicly, vigorously and unmistakably that he rejects the support of white supremacists, and that he will not knowingly tolerate their involvement with his campaign in any form or to any degree?
There are a lot of people who believe the US government shouldn’t spend billions and billions a year on supporting Israel’s various wars
Yes there are a lot of people. Ahmadinejad, bin Laden, Don Black the Nazi, Ron Paul, Hamas, etc…
Look, I’m not going to vote for Ron Paul under any circumstances because I think he’s suicidally wrong on foreign policy. I’m also not going to consider him a serious candidate or even a serious person until he disavows these maniacs who are trying to prop him up.
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Well, it is a good question, would you not question John Edwards ,if scummy commies and left wing eco freaks started sending him their support?
I would like to know what he thinks about it. Is he gonna ignore them and hope they vote for him in the primaries? or what?
Would you WANT THEIR support?