The Methane Card

by Hal_10000

Dude - you can stop with the envirotard mantra “global cooling wasn’t the accepted mainstream “fact” that is the “consensus"”.

I was there, and believe me, “global cooling” was the exact same fucking line of bullshit that is “global warming”.  Same people, in fact.

Warming, cooling, staying the same, too much use of oxygen, whatever they come up with, isn’t actually about the “crisis” they are being alarmist about.  It’s a stalking horse for pushing radical agendas of control.

You are, however, about the last person I know that still believes this shit that isn’t directly affiliated with one of the envirotard groups.  Haven’t you heard?  2009 is being hailed as the year that global warming alarmism died a puny death due to too much exposure to facts.  Right now “global warming”, or “climate change” as it was repackaged a few years ago when things were going well, ranks DEAD FUCKING LAST as a concern of the public.

Dim CFC Bulbs?

What the hell are you talking about?

A good bulb not only does not have warm-up time (alas, there’s no way to tell if it will, how about the gov’t takes a look at that bit of omitted information), but the lumen per watt is way huger than a incandescent.

Either way, I’m with Ed Begley Jr.  If it’s good for the environment, cool.  If it makes my life cheaper, Hells Yes.

My experience of CFC bulbs has been that they are nowhere near as good as incandescent, in terms of quality of light.  And yes, even the recent ones have warmup times.  In addition, I linked up an article here some weeks ago that found that the CFC bulb manufacturers are overstating the energy savings (or understating the brightness of their bulbs) by at least a factor of two.

But how does this result in higher taxes, bigger government, and fewer rights?  You see the thing gaia hates more than anything, even more than greenhouse gases, is freedom, capitalism and america. 

Any proposal to help the environment that doesn’t tackle those three main issues just won’t cut it.

If methane,of that matter,unicorn farts are leaking out of pipes they should be repaired. That’s just common fucking sense.It also saves the “evil” oil company money too.

What it doesn’t do, or shouldn’t do, is enlarge government.

The jury is still out for me on global warming, however this study looks promising. Anything that can save money and potentially help the environment is worth supporting.

I agree that the environmentalists won’t champion this because it requires no sacrifice. Sacrifice is the point for many of them, whether they admit it or not.

As we can all see, you’re still full of shit. I can’t believe a person who makes it his business to look at information would be so foolish as to believe global warming studies.

Well, it’s Hal. I keep forgetting.

Hal, GW is a tool to install government control into every aspect of our lives. As the new premiere half-Aussie in charge, I’d like to say that just because the Western world has signed onto an opinion, doesn’t mean it’s the right opinion.

The minute you speak out against China’s addition to GW, I’ll listen. However, that would mean you are also at odds with Australias newfound wealth and prosperity.

Basically, you should just admit that GW is just another tool to blame America for the weather.

Hal… Some new Phillips ones I just picked up have a nasty warm up time, but the home depot private brand I got for free on earth day have no warm up time at all.  The main problem is that the quality of the bulbs (light, warmup time, life, ability to tolerate not pointing straight up, cold weather tolerance) is HIGHLY inconsistent. 

I even have a few true light ones that rival the true light (blue/white) incandescent ones.  But again, the product is terribly inconsistent.

Hal, GW is a tool to install government control into every aspect of our lives.

OK. So just forget global warming for a second. What about the other effects of changing the chemical composition of our atmosphere?

Ooh! Ooh! Sorry. I forgot that all science is a left-wing conspiracy to stop you driving your SUV. Sorry.

As we can all see, you’re still full of shit. I can’t believe a person who makes it his business to look at information would be so foolish as to believe global warming studies.

We’re betting our whole future on you being right and the scientific establishment wrong. You OK with that?

We’re betting our whole future on you being right and the scientific establishment wrong. You OK with that?

No, HE’s betting the future.  There is no “We” there, particularly when it comes to you.  You are free to renounce industrial civilization, move out of the city and live in harmony with nature if you want, but we all know you won’t since there aren’t enough productive people for you to live off of outside of urban areas.

Why is it so frightening for you to see someone look at a “consensus” and independently reject it because it contradicts many other better established facts.  Did you go through the information, and apply it to everything you know about the world?  Were there contradictions?  Did you even bother?  Of course you didn’t.  Your whole demeanor is an appeal to the thoughts of others.

You are free to renounce industrial civilization, move out of the city and live in harmony with nature if you want

Hey. I’m a city boy. I have no desire to give up my lifestyle. But then, I ride a bike everywhere, I am planning to renovate my house to make it more environmentally friendly, but at the same time, I am fully aware that my job requires me to fly to much.

See this is the stupid thing. It’s either-or with you guys. I don’t want to go back to the stone age. I like my mac and my life - I just want it to be a bit more sustainable. l want systems that encourage private investment and innovation in alternative technologies. Of course I want systems that reduce energy consumption. I am worried about the effects that changing the chemical composition of our atmosphere may be having on our long term future, and I subscribe to the idea that doing no harm is better than

But look at this thread. Hal introduced a story about something that cost nothing - in fact saved money - and reduced what might ultimately be a small risk to the environment, but is a risk all the same. But instead, you jump all over him - “no, it’s just a figment of your imagination. Climate change is not real”. So which group here are arguing from ideology??

Fucking idiots!

Yeah, I’ve got my drink on.

and I subscribe to the idea that doing no harm is better than

Ah damn. A sentence to nowhere. Knew that would happen.

But look at this thread. Hal introduced a story about something that cost nothing - in fact saved money - and reduced what might ultimately be a small risk to the environment, but is a risk all the same

I can think of only one thing that would be the most beneficial to the environment, and that would be to return all leftists, global warming kooks, and Europe/Australia/Japan back to the stone age.

But instead, you jump all over him - “no, it’s just a figment of your imagination. Climate change is not real”.

Climate change is real, it’s just that there’s this idiotic fringe of mankind who’s seemingly pre-determined it’s all Americas fault, and that the only way out of it is to tax the shit out of us.

So which group here are arguing from ideology??

Gee whiz, stog! I wonder which group is!! LOL!

I guess ill have to wade into this.
First off, Sealing leaks is a Dam good idea from a money saving perspective, it saves gas, it help keep the income levels up, good for business. On top of that is is good for the environment.

Second, Why the hell is the O team hesitating to support this, and Why are not environmentalist all over doing this?
Why, because it does not advance their agenda, control. As HAL pointed out.

HAL that PDF, might be true, But back in the 70’s it was more difficult to spread information,and paranoia, at the same time.
What i am saying is that a “conciseness” was probably not reached because there was little or no money in the research , and littler public awareness, AKA “politicians seeing a angle”. to push a agenda or research for that matter.
As a anecdote, i Do recall, much later, that quite a few Sci-fi writers, did a lot of novels with global cooling as a theme, and some of the end of the world nuts used it too.

Stogy, do not drink and post, i learned that along time ago.

Hey. I’m a city boy. I have no desire to give up my lifestyle. But then, I ride a bike everywhere, I am planning to renovate my house to make it more environmentally friendly, but at the same time, I am fully aware that my job requires me to fly to much.

oh you evil evil man, living in a built up urban area is tantamount with destroying the earth, did you not know that?
But alas, you have to have a job right?
Stogy i Agree with what you said, I believe that we should do our damnedest to reduce pollution in any reasonable way we can.

“no, it’s just a figment of your imagination. Climate change is not real”. So which group here are arguing from ideology??

Global warming is NOT real, Climate Change is, its all about public perception. I think most of our resident commenter’s are jumping on HAL’s ass, because he still bevies that we are warming up, and it is all mans fault.
WE might have something to do with it, but mother Nature is MUCH bigger than man,it has been here for a long time, and will be here long after we are gone.
As for the Warming part,i sure do hope we are warming a bit, reaching the levels of the medieval warm period or a bit higher would be nice. Why HATE the cold, and the Little ice age was not a fucking good time to be alive. look VERY closely at the events of that time and see how they were driven by climate, the Colder climate.

Also we have just had the mildest winter in decades, a very mild hurricane session, its already snowing in many areas where it usually does not fall till November or December. Record low temps for this time of year already! Its Mid October and its already hovering above freezing here in Missouri.....

I wasn’t going to wade in again on this, but , shit, here we go:

l want systems that encourage private investment and innovation in alternative technologies. Of course I want systems that reduce energy consumption. I am worried about the effects that changing the chemical composition of our atmosphere may be having on our long term future, and I subscribe to the idea that doing no harm is better than

Great, then do things that, by your lights, help.  Just don’t force me and mine to do the same. 

Regarding CFC’s:  I bought them to save money.  Got really pissed when some died fast.  Then my daughter broke one in her room and I looked up how to deal with it and all the toxic shit it spewed into her bedroom.  I stocked up on incandescents and moved CFCs out of most rooms in my house (they are left in laundry, utility room, garage and my office).  I won’t buy anymore. 

And finally there are lots of scientists that dispute the global warming hysteria.  Many believe it is all a crock of shit.  Many more believe that man man emissions are changing things, but that the effects are grossly exagerated.  Just like when the media and some scientists were crying about the new ice age.

Let me ask Hal and Stogy: How many years of the globe not warming would it take for you to question the thesis?  What events would disprove it for you?

man man emissions

Whoops, meant man made (the other sounds like the farts the WVR emits when Obama is boning him in the ass).

Fucking idiots!

Ah damn. A sentence to nowhere. Knew that would happen.

Hahaha. Now we’re talkin’ :) Throwing out a few F bombs and a few shredded sentences when typing can be quite entertaining I think. Not that I’ve ever done such things.

Hahaha. Now we’re talkin’ :) Throwing out a few F bombs and a few shredded sentences when typing can be quite entertaining I think. Not that I’ve ever done such things.

We cant have him typing like me!

I don’t care about the PDF. I was in the first grade in 1969. The whole global cooling/coming ice age crap was being taught as a FACT in my schools. Up till about the eighth grade. We had a spate of extra cold and very long winters in the late sixties/early seventies and my science teachers were all over the “fact” that pollution was clogging up the sky and causing a global cool down that could well lead to another ice age. It didn’t make a difference what any long term stuff was or was not available. All of us who remember the green ‘e’ for ecology were dosed weekly with this tripe. I had one science teacher who told us we would all likely be living semi underground by the year 2000 because of pollution’s cooling effect. Surviving off of hydroponic gardens because the earth’s surface would be too cold to sustain a growing season. This stuff is NOT urban legend. It got to be legend because it was being lip serviced as fact in a lot of public schools. We were berated with it as well as being told we would all likely never see our fortieth birthdays because of an almost certain nuclear holocaust. If the pollution didn’t finish us off, the nuclear winter would. Yada, yada, yada. Global warming horse hockey.