No Cracker For You
And the Religious Right’s perpetual slide into lunacy continues.
A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him “constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil.”
The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.
“Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president,” Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.
These people are doing more to ensure a more or less permanent Democratic majority than Nancy Pelosi could have ever dreamed of. Just keep digging yourselves into that hole...seriously, if this guy had just been saying this as his own opinion, it wouldn’t be that big of a deal with me. But this guy is threatening the sincere beliefs of the faithful and giving them a spiritual crisis over who they voted for. This is why the fundietards are destroying conservatism.
Update by Lee: I fucking love this. Obama is “the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president.” And, top top it off, his middle name is a scary and Muslim-sounding! As if being the most pro-abortion president ever isn’t bad enough for Catholics.
Wasn’t Jeebus all about forgiving and not judging and stuff like that?
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He was for forgiving, but I don’t think that abortion of convenience was on his big list of “things that can be forgiven”.
These leave me speechless:
federally funded abortion
Federally funded?
abortion of convenience
Gee! What other kind is there?!?
Wow. Just wow.
Here, take this tasteless cracker made in New Jersey and eat it. You have now engaged in ritual cannibalism at a stupid level. Oh yeah, the cracker was god.....
Sorry, the god-cracker is denied to you because of who you voted for…
Anybody else think this is more than just a bit stupid?
Why is there a German flag showing up on my post?
I did not expect you to understand...Maybe a little over your head. My apologies.
Maybe a little over your head.
If you were joking then, yes, it was over my head. I would otherwise be completely horrified to think that a poster on this forum would be as ill-informed and factually retarded to believe that 99% of abortions (or even 9.9% of abortions) were federally funded and, similarly, that 99% of abortions are for “convenience”. I wouldn’t think that the mental and moral scars that come with abortion would ever be considered, even by the most sadistic anti-abortionist, to be “convenient”. But then again, it was “over my head”.
I will accept your apology for defacing this thread with your ridiculous “sense of humor”.
Read it again. Did not state that 99% of abortions are fed funded or of the convenience type.
I was trying to say that there will never be a time when 99% of the population of this country agrees on “tax” funded abortion, mainly of the non rape/incest/life of mother type. Somehow conservatives are going to have to find some middle ground on this issue if they are ever going to become a viable political party.
And the Religious Right’s perpetual slide into lunacy continues.
Hey WVR since when the hell has Catholic religion been part of the Religious right. If the Catholics were just simple minded republicans why does the majority always seem to vote for democrats?
Here is a question for you WVR. (Lee please don’t answer for him because i want to know his reasoning). If catholics are part of the religious right, why is it the states with the most Catholics (i.e. New York, New Jersey, Conneticut, etc) always seem to vote overwhelmingly Democrat??
I was raised Catholic. I know that Catholics have traditionally been big supporters of liberal Democrats in the Northeast, but there are also very conservative Catholics as well. But this assclown is going beyond adhering to the teachings of his church. He is telling people that they will go to hell if they voted for Obama and playing into the worst paranoid stereotypes of his region-and his attitude is in line with the extremist fundietard mentality.
Wasn’t Jeebus all about forgiving and not judging and stuff like that?
If you do not feel that abortion is murder why should you need forgiveness?
Divine forgiveness in theory is given when the sinner repents of the transgression and asks to be forgiven for the sin. If you intend to continue in the sin or do not feel it is a sin, then how could you ask for forgiveness.
I don’t know if I have ever seen a clear answer
here as to when is it appropriate to kill the fetus/infant? Just curious, 1st, 2nd, 3rd trimester, at birth, 1, 2, 3 months?
most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president
Is it the wording you object to? He seems to be very pro-abortion without limits, for example partial birth abortions.
He is telling people that they will go to hell if they voted for Obama and playing into the worst paranoid stereotypes of his region-and his attitude is in line with the extremist fundietard mentality.
Actually no he is not. He is saying before you partake of what to Catholics is a holy connection with Jesus, they should examine what they believe and how it reflects on their church doctrine and ask forgiveness for helping to murder babies.
To Christians communion is very important and not to be taken lightly. He is telling his followers they need to make sure they do it properly.
We may not agree with his views, but no one is making anyone go to his congregation.
Everyone here is all about non-interference, live and let live, drugs should be legal-you have a choice to use them or not, etc… until it clashes with their views. Or at least they used to be.
To Christians communion is very important and not to be taken lightly. He is telling his followers they need to make sure they do it properly.
I’d have to agree with this. A lot of people don’t understand the significance of Communion to Catholics. It is NOT just a symbolic act—according to Catholic doctrine there is an actual conversion of bread and wine to body and blood. Hell..I grew up Catholic, and a lot of Catholics don’t understand the significance of it.
(Now, if you think transsubstantiation is a crock, that’s fine too..I’m pretty much with you. But if you do believe it, then the priest probably wasn’t that far out of line, IMHO.)
If you do not feel that abortion is murder why should you need forgiveness?
The issue isn’t about abortion. As I’ve said countless times over the history of this blog I have absolutely no problem with someone being morally opposed to abortion. The issue here is a priest using his position of religious authority to influence how people voted.
Many people may be opposed to Obama’s stance on abortion but feel that his policies on taxation, national defense, and the economy will be beneficial, thus they look past his abortion views and vote for him. Look at it this way: most abortions occur in the first trimester. Unless you happen to believe that a fetus is a “person” from the moment of conception, this might be an acceptable trade-off for you. Meanwhile there have been 4,000 actual, real grown people killed in Iraq, and God knows how many maimed, burned, or mutilated. What this priest is saying is that you should feel guilt and remorse over supporting Obama for his abortion opinion, but not feel god about voting for him because he promises to end the Iraq occupation. In other words, Jesus will look down on you for allowing fetuses to die, but not for supporting policies that allow soldiers to die (largely unnecessarily), not to mention the number of Iraqi civilians, especially women and children and other non-combatants, who have died as part of the Iraq gambit.
These are moral choices. Someone may feel that ending the war may be a morally superior choice, based entirely on Jesus’ teachings, than preventing abortions. This priest is making that decision for them, telling them that they have no right to make that moral choice for themselves. He’s a GOP hack and sycophant, using religion to sway people from taking their vote.
Tell me, if a priest supporting Obama had made the argument I just made, that voting against McCain was what Jesus would have wanted because Jesus wouldn’t like all the people dying in Iraq, what would you have said? Would you be defending him, or swaying that it was a cheap political stunt designed to drum up support for Obama?
This shit has no place in religion, especially if the religious types want the rest of the country to support their right to believe what they like. If this fucking asshole priest wants to preach politics he should take off the collar and run for office. A priest should give moral guidance to people who seek it, not moral edicts about something that has absolutely fuck-all to do with religion.
Everyone here is all about non-interference, live and let live, drugs should be legal-you have a choice to use them or not, etc… until it clashes with their views. Or at least they used to be.
Where have any of us said we don’t support the priest’s right to spew whatever vile crap he feels like? When, in the history of this blog, has any one of the authors ever called for banning someone’s First Amendment rights?
This is yet the latest infusion of religion and politics. if this dickhead priest doesn’t want anyone criticizing his sermons perhaps he should keep the politics out of it. As soon as he made his religion a political issue it became fair game for anyone out there to criticize it on political grounds.
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It is the basics of their faith...All of the parishoners should know that also, unless of course its the ones that show up once a year so they can claim to be religous and provide false hope to themselves that they are ‘going to Heaven” . Short and Simple. There will never be a time when 99% of the population agrees with federally funded abortion. Not going to happen. And it is not just “fundies” who disagree with it. The Church has the right to state what they please and follow their doctrines, and even though I am not Catholic I agree. OKOK--Once most of America gets out of the o’bama collectives maybe it will reach 99%, but not until then.