Makes Your Mark
by Lee
Show your support for Sarah by signing this petition.
Dear Governor Palin:
We the undersigned thank you for your service to our country and your service to the cause of freedom.
Huh? Service to the cause of freedom? What the fuck has she done in service to the cause of freedom? Did she somehow win a Congressional Medal of Honor that none of us know about?
The American people have been searching for new leaders who share our hopes and values and who have the courage to stand up for what is right. In you, we have found such a leader.
Uh, no. While the American people were indeed “searching for new leaders who share our hopes and values and who have the courage to stand up for what is right” they found that new leader in Obama. If they’d found that leader in Palin, y’know, she might have gotten elected.
By your eloquence and your example, you have inspired us to keep fighting for a better future for our nation, for our children, and for the children of the world.
Huh? What example? Fighting for the children of the world? She can’t even point to the rest of the world on a map.
We urge you to continue the struggle on behalf of working people and small business people – of regular Americans who are excluded from the privileged elite – and of all those who, come January, will be largely unrepresented in the halls of power.
Ah, the “privileged elite.” In other words, the college educated. Seriously, what the fuck is the privileged elite? And why is it a bad thing to be a part of the elite? If you need an organ transplant do you look for the most qualified, experienced, elite doctor you can? Or do you look for Dr. Nick Riviera?
Honestly, Palin supporters, please describe for me exactly who the privileged elite consists of. See, I’ve always had this wacky, kooky notion that being part of the elite was a part of the American Dream. You know, you leave the third world shithole you were born in, come to America, work hard, send your kids to college, and in one generation you become part of the middle class. After your grandchildren are born in America, an they use the family’s newfound wealth to better themselves, they become privileged, and thus part of the elite. You know, that whole idea of “accumulating wealth to improve your family’s lives” idea.
Apparently now this is a bad thing. Educated? Bah, you’re part of the elite! Why get financial advice from the elite when you can get it from this guy?
After all, he’s definitely not one of the “privileged elite.”
As you stand with us, we will stand with you.
To quote Yoda, “This is why you fail.”
Look, we’ve all been noting for the past year or so the cult of personality that the “liberal elite” has been engaging in towards Obama. “He’ll align the planets, end all war and suffering, eradicate poverty, pay all our bills, and wipe away our tears when we’re sad.” Well, this EXACT SAME THING is happening on the right. The difference is that, regardless of politics, Obama is qualified to be president, whereas this bimbo isn’t qualified to disinfect bowling shoes at an all-night bowling alley.
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Hey, you’re the one who keeps attempting to defend her. As long as that continues I’ll continue to debunk her. This post is an attempt to show just how fucking far off the deep end the GOP base is getting with this woman.
I’m not the one keeping her in the news cycle, she is, and her supporters (i.e. you) are doing nothing less than perpetuating it.
I comment on things that are newsworthy. If she’s in the news she’s fair game, as are anyone and everything else.
One more point, Zoom. I’ve challenged the Palininites at least five or six times recently to provide examples of her intelligence. You have said that you think she is smart and a good leader. Fair enough, now please back that assertion up.
I think she’s a clueless bimbo, and I’ve provided numerous examples of why I think so. Since you heard the same stuff in the news as I did, yet came to a different conclusion, it shouldn’t be difficult for you to provide a few linked sources to things she has said that led you to form a positive conclusion regarding her intellectual acumen.
Now, if you can’t do that, shouldn’t that be an indication that your faith in her is more of a gut level feeling than anything logical or rational?
Up until now, I haven’t bothered. I’ve since wasted an hour doing basic research for you. I’m not going to do that again.
The difference is that, regardless of politics, Obama is qualified to be president, whereas this bimbo isn’t qualified to disinfect bowling shoes at an all-night bowling alley.
That statement is absurd no matter the source. Obama won’t be qualified to be president in 2012. I don’t believe that Palin is an excellent choice by any means, but she would always be preferable to Obama. Further, what are Obama’s qualifications? Where are his accomplishments? What decisions has he made that show that he has the ability to do this?
You’ve fallen for him, too. I seriously can’t believe this.
That statement is absurd no matter the source. Obama won’t be qualified to be president in 2012. I don’t believe that Palin is an excellent choice by any means, but she would always be preferable to Obama. Further, what are Obama’s qualifications? Where are his accomplishments? What decisions has he made that show that he has the ability to do this?
You’ve fallen for him, too. I seriously can’t believe this.
THANK YOU!
That statement is absurd no matter the source. Obama won’t be qualified to be president in 2012. I don’t believe that Palin is an excellent choice by any means, but she would always be preferable to Obama. Further, what are Obama’s qualifications? Where are his accomplishments? What decisions has he made that show that he has the ability to do this?
He may not. He may fail spectacularly. However, I think he’s shown enough acumen in the campaign to fit the office. Whether he turns out to be good at it not remains to be seen. Think of it like someone getting accepted to Harvard. They clearly have to show intellectual acumen to get in there in the first place, but once there they may flame out spectacularly. Disagree with his politics all you like, that’s completely legit, but in terms of intelligence and temperament he’s clearly qualified.
I’ve used the rookie quarterback analogy before. We all know of football teams who have decided to rebuild their franchise around a shit-hot rookie quarterback. Sometimes this works beautifully, other times it fails miserably. But there’s no doubt that, at the time he was hired, the quarterback appeared qualified for the job. They didn’t just pick some guy of the street. Well, the US is the football team and Obama is the rookie quarterback. He may turn out to be a lousy president after all. Time will tell.
Palin, on the other hand, is a bimbo. How can ANY of you say that she’s qualified to be vice president when she couldn’t even correctly answer the question “What does the vice president do?” She thinks she’s got international diplomacy experience because she can see Russia. I mean, come the fuck on. She’s a moron.
You’ve fallen for him, too. I seriously can’t believe this.
Interesting word choice. I have a friend here, an English leftie, who constantly accuses me of falling for “right wing spin.” To give an example, we somehow got on the subject of Reagan one day. He railed against Reagan for bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war. I pointed out how instrumental Reagan had been in winning the Cold War. “Bah, you’ve just fallen for right-wing spin!”
Accusing someone else of “falling for” something is nothing more than a convenient way of attempting to make a point without providing any logical basis or supporting information. Please, tell me where I have sung the gushing praises of Obama. I didn’t campaign for him, I didn’t vote for him, and I am opposed to much of what he believes. That being said, he is QUALIFIED to be in the office.
You sound like liberals do every time a conservative is nominated to the SCOTUS. They campaigned against Roberts and Alito based on their ideology, despite both men being qualified for the job. Whether the liberals agreed with their judicial views it can’t be denied that both men were qualified.
So, how have I “fallen for” Obama? I mean, other than conceding he’s more qualified for the job than the bimbo from Alaska. If anyone has fallen for anything it’s you guys falling for her MILFy sex appeal and religious themes.
Nice picture..... I like it. Thanks Lee
LOL. I just whipped that up on Photoshop.
Wow, I’m glad some refer to those without a college education to equate to being a slacked jawed dumbshit. Well, I make over 100K a year, and do just fine, and now will probably have to pay extra taxes to bail out home owners some of whom were college educated people, and others who can’t pay back their student loans, and others who used their house as an ATM.
I’m all for higher learning, it’s another tool in the process, which everyone should take advantage of if they can; however, it guarantees nothing, that’s still up to the individual to make something out of themselves. Bush has a degree does he not? A degree doesn’t necessarily equal the best.
The whole educated elite, which they actually said “privilaged elite”, is referring to those professors and text book know it alls that think government can solve all, and corrupt power brokers fucking this country over. I think you guys were all for goofing on those individuals as well until you were against it. Maybe you can refresh your memory going back by looking at past posts over the years. Of course now and with selected amnesia, we can pretend that never happened as it has suddenly become not cool.
As far as Palin not knowing a map, I still see the Africa rumor has weight here.
As far as being qualified for president, you need to be 35 or over and a citizen. All else is based on what people think is a good choice. Personally, being a free market guy, I don’t think Obama and his pro socialist agenda makes him qualified at all. Palin and her support of a 15 million dollar sports debt machine didn’t make me a fan, nor does her and the GOPs over focus on abortion, and yes, she does not come off as the brightest, and would not get my vote if she were running for president, but she’s not the worst thing in the world either, and those who have to attack her based on rumor half the time aren’t of much use either in supporting a return to spirit of the fiscal conservative and integrity.
Did I fall into Bizarro world? Palin is a joke. I swear, the Palin supporters must be libs in disguise, because if Palin becomes the face of the Republicians, they will fall. Hard. It’s bad enough when they became intertwined with the religous, but mix up her religion, half a cup of crazy, and a heap of not being able to talk her way through an interview, and you have the biggest failure in Republician history. Are you all so blind that you don’t realize how much support that McCain lost because of Palin?
Palin and her support of a 15 million dollar sports debt machine didn’t make me a fan, nor does her and the GOPs over focus on abortion, and yes, she does not come off as the brightest, and would not get my vote if she were running for president, but she’s not the worst thing in the world either, and those who have to attack her based on rumor half the time aren’t of much use either in supporting a return to spirit of the fiscal conservative and integrity.
f’ing new IE, I swear!
Point was, we are living in bizzaro world, because apparently being a GOVERNOR OF A STATE is no qualification for, what did Lee say, a sales counter at Macy’s? Why do I hold a positive opinion of her? In part because her own constituents, the ones affected most by her decisions, approve of her over 3 to 1.
My goal is to put to bed this notion of her being incompetent, because the facts simply do not support it. Disagree with her all you want, but let’s work from a foundation of truth.
Sure. Foundation of truth, starting now. (1) How would you distinguish between her policies governing Alaska and the windfall profit tax that Obama wants to institute on oil companies? (2) Which of her policy statements is most compelling to you?
(1) How would you distinguish between her policies governing Alaska and the windfall profit tax that Obama wants to institute on oil companies?
I don’t really know the details of either, but I generally oppose the idea of “windfall profit” taxes. I don’t think it’s a good idea to punish companies for being sucessful.
(2) Which of her policy statements is most compelling to you?
One of the links I posted in the other thread cut to the heart of the importance of energy security. That was her letter to Senator Reid. She’s impressed me with her understanding of energy matters, as is evidenced in her letter.
Of course, it’s hard to pick *the* most compelling statement. That said, her statements about the corruption in Washington and the need to challenge the status quo and “drain the swamp” in DC are very compelling.
Disagree with her all you want, but let’s work from a foundation of truth.
She can’t even explain her own statements when Katie Couric asks her to.
That’s all of the truth that I need. Her failure in the interviews was not from a foundation of not being able to speak well (which is fine by me if you’re not the best public speaker), but a foundation of not having any meaning to the words that she says.
That, is the shaky foundation that you’re trying to build upon.
I think the last time I saw (hell, almost every time) a chick wink I was being offered a piece of ass.
What the fuck was she thinking when she decided to wink at the camera? Seriously - WTF?
If she’s such a bimbo, how did she rise to small town mayor, O&G;regulator and then a highly-popular governor? Was it the wink?
What I meant by “falling for” was more like falling in love. You’re so determined not to have buyers’ remorse over Obama that you’re failing to recognize what we (collectively) have elected. I don’t pretend that my life is ruined, or that it’ll be dramatically different for Obama having been POTUS. I’m not so dazzled with Obama or filled with Palin hatred to say that I would prefer to have her in charge.
He seems like a person who I would have trouble disliking in person. He’s articulate, likeable, and seems sincere. He’s not above making a joke at his own expense. In these ways, he’s just like Bill Clinton. I bet having Bill Clinton at a party is the best idea since putting beer in kegs as long as your daughter or wife aren’t there. I would guess that Obama is similar for a slightly higher-brow audience. Liberal ideas are so stupid, though, that his sincerity worries me. I was less afraid of Hillary’s obvious power grab than Obama’s sincerity. If he honestly believes that these socialistic policies will be an improvement to this country, heaven help us all.
As for his qualifications, I’m not impressed by his thin resume and iffy associations. He’s having to borrow the Clinton black book (hers, not his) to fill his cabinet. Further, I can count on nearly every decision he makes as being one that I disagree with. That’s not because he’s black, democratic, young, or unqualified. It’s because I’ve listened to what he’s said during the campaign. I’m not rich, but I don’t want to tax the rich into oblivion, because I would prefer to be rich at some point. I don’t believe in massive government handouts, not because I hate the poor, but because of the culture of dependency it’s already given us. I don’t want socialized healthcare, liberal judges, weak military, and so on. As a decision maker, Palin could be a literal idiot and probably make more decisions that I would agree with by chance than Obama ever would.
Obama was properly elected, and will soon be president. I’m ok with that. I would rather have Sarah Palin 99% of the time. That much is crystal clear.
zoomzoom:
(1) The windfall profits tax is pretty much why she has the approval ratings she does in Alaska. Alaskans get a huge chunk of oil company profits and the money gets redistributed across the population. It’s really easy for people to like you when you’re handing out cash. And that tax is the cornerstone of Alaskan governance. This is why I think she hasn’t displayed any ability to govern well.
(2) Obama and McCain’s campaigns were virtually identical on energy security. The two exceptions were McCain wanting offshore drilling in the short term (which Palin, like Obama, opposed) and McCain’s greater emphasis on nuclear power.
I have yet to hear an idea from Palin that doesn’t come directly from the GOP platform. I also have yet to hear her speak intelligently about any issue other than energy in an off-script setting. And if energy is all she’s got, then Obama’s proposals are effectively identical.
Obama was properly elected, and will soon be president. I’m ok with that. I would rather have Sarah Palin 99% of the time. That much is crystal clear.
For me the difference is quite stark. I’d much rather have an intelligent person in charge who makes decisions that he can defend logically, even though I may disagree with them ideologically, than with someone who is clueless who I happen to trust will magically make decisions I may agree with. Palin may propose policy X, something I support, but also propose Y and Z, which I do not.
I have yet to hear an idea from Palin that doesn’t come directly from the GOP platform. I also have yet to hear her speak intelligently about any issue other than energy in an off-script setting.
Exactly. While there is much I disagree with Obama over regarding policy, I don’t doubt that he actually believes it, and can logically provide an argument why implementing his policy is a good idea. Let us not forget that a huge part of Bush’s problem was his inability to communicate his ideas to the people, so even when he was proposing something that might have gone over with thm (partial SS privatization, for example) he lost the argument before he made it because he couldn’t explain to the people WHY they should support the policy.
Having sound policies isn’t the only characteristic of leadership, being able to explain to people who might disagree with you WHY they should support you is just as important. Not only can’t Palin make these sorts of arguments, she doesn’t even understand them herself. Can you imagine her in a press conference trying to explain to the public at large why they should support her over a given policy? She’s get that stupid deer in the headlights look on her face, say DUH, and mindlessly regurgitate GOP talking points, exactly what she did on the campaign.
Reagan was an idea guy. Clinton was an idea guy. Obama is an idea guy. Palin is a puppet.
Maybe so with o’bama, but his ideas are not going to help this country-period. His tax proposals are going to screw small business and further expand job loss for alot of american workers(unless it’s payback for the uaw who are the root cause for the detroit mess) I would so hope that he governs from the middle and keeps the leftist/socialist congress in check, but I have yet to see any common sense intelligence with o’bama yet. Granted he has not taken office yet, but I don’t think I will see any in the future either. Just my opinion.
Maybe so with o’bama, but his ideas are not going to help this country-period.
And that may be true but it’s not the point. I agree with you regarding his policies, but it can’t be denied that he was able to articulate them to the satisfaction of the majority of voters. McCain, on the other hand, lost countless numbers of voters because of his lame campaign performance, especially his pick of Sarah Palin.
I don’t think the pick of Gov. Palin hurt. I don’t believe that articulating his points helped him, it’s just that people wanted a change and I still believe that alot of them will regret their decisions. I mean how can anyone look at his policies on paper and not see what he would like to do to this country. It boggles my mind. I may be wrong on Palin and will be willing to admit it if numbers prove me wrong.
Damn…
The more I hear people like ScottWarren complain about Obama, the more I hear Newt, DeLay, Gramm, Rush, and the rest saying the EXACT things about Clinton in 1992.
“Clinton’s tax cuts are going to kill small business”.
“Clinton is a socialist who wants to turn us into France or Sweden”.
“Clinton has all these horrible associations that we don’t know enough about.”
“Clinton wants to impose too many big government policies that will cause a reccession to turn into a depression.”
You were all wrong then. You’re all going to be wrong again.
I look forward to Scott Warren saying “I was wrong.” More than likely, like the rest of the cowards who Lee proved wrong, he’ll leave the site, never to be heard from again.
As for Palin… Nothing to say other than she, personally, has never articulated, in her own words without a cue-card or teleprompter, a coherent sentence that shows any knowledge of any policy position. Not. One. I’ve looked. It’s all winks, giggles, platitudes and populism.
Calm down ---- Clinton is not the issue. Again, anyone that is coherent should be able to look at what o’bama is saying and his past actions and see that he will, if allowed, take this country down the road to socialism. Gadman, take the blinders off for a little while and do a little research. In the meantime, hope you enjoy your “community service” down at the collective.
Scott -
Clinton is not the issue.
The issue is your overheated rhetoric that in no way reflects the reality of Obama. If YOU do you research, you’ll learn that Obama is a pragmatist above all. Read my post in the Marx thread, and maybe, MAYBE, you’ll understand. But I doubt it.
Pragmatist? Right. I don’t rememmber posting anything in a “heated” way. I just put forth what I know about o’bama. A mans actions go much further than his words--look at o’bamas past actions and it is obvious. I would like to say wait and see, but by then it will be to late. BTW, you brought up the references to clinton.
Obama’s Actions?
Point to one “action” that supports your contention.
One.
If you had done your research, you’d see a very pragmatic approach to consensus building and near unanimous success in most of the legislative proposals he’s put forth.
The more I hear people like ScottWarren complain about Obama, the more I hear Newt, DeLay, Gramm, Rush, and the rest saying the EXACT things about Clinton in 1992.
Yes, his pragmatic approach was the cause of the GOP taking back control of congress correct? Let’s not rewrite history. Clinton was put in check.
As far as Palin, she is certainly not the best by far, and this without the need for gossip rumors. How about Biden (THE ACTUAL OTHER VP CANDIDATE)? A guy who didn’t know who the president was in 1929, has made racist jokes, and lies about family tragedies. Of course otherwise loudmouth leftist apologists such as you will keep mum on those.
If you had done your research, you’d see a very pragmatic approach to consensus building and near unanimous success in most of the legislative proposals he’s put forth.
What? By voting “present”? Please list any of Obama’s legislstive proposals in the U.S. Senate
that had enough merit to make it to the floor for a vote.
Not something written by someone else and later endorsed by him but something Written, initiated and promoted by him.
If you had done your research, you’d see a very pragmatic approach to consensus building and near unanimous success in most of the legislative proposals he’s put forth.
Right....Name one proposal. Either from the US or State senate. The ones that he showed backbone on or “ unaminous success” involved abortion and firearm restrictions. Yep. Build some consensus he did.
Scott -
How about one from the US Senate, with Dick Lugar (R-IN) dealing with Nuclear Proliferation.
How about another one from the US Senate dealing with the sale, transfer, and export of elemental Mercury.
That’s two. Want more?
Good point.. Nuc Prof is more to deal with conventional weapons. The merc trans action is a non player. I give you a point.
I don’t think the pick of Gov. Palin hurt. … I may be wrong on Palin and will be willing to admit it if numbers prove me wrong.
From CNN:
GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin didn’t do well in exit polls. Sixty percent of those polled said the Alaska governor is not qualified to be president if necessary; 38 percent said she is. That compares with the two-thirds of those polled who said Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden is qualified to be president and the 31 percent who said he isn’t.
CNN polls don’t count. They never include the cracker vote, which I am in quite good standing with.
Which is exactly what you, I have no doubt, would be saying if the exit polls showed that Palin had no effect on McCain’s loss.
Dude, this is a really lame tactic. People have been doing it here for years. Any news that doesn’t gel with your preconceived notions, well, that news “can’t be trusted.”
Spare me that crap. Find some evidence, some alternative polling data, which shows the opposite. Do that or concede that you were wrong.
Fort he thousandth time, if you’re going to criticize Palin, at least be honest about it. There was not such “Windfall Profits Tax” she ever passed, it was a severance tax. I went over it in the comments here: http://right-thinking.com/index.php/weblog/comments/shock_and_fury/ It was publicly negotiated. Would you rather just have oil companies drill wherever they want with no compensation to the landowners (the Citizens of Alaska) for the devaluation of the mineral interest and the surface as well?
josparke -
Hmmm… We can belive you.. or we can believe McCain FactCheck.
It was a Windfall Profits Tax as everyone else in the world understands the term.
Oh brother! That just exposes the ignorance of the writer and it’s sources. It’s a “Per Barrel” charge, that’s not a “Windfall Profits” tax. It’s a “windfall profits” tax if you’re a complete moron to understand it that way.
Josparke -
How about in Palin’s own words and voice?
She calls it a tax, and doesn’t correct Kudlow when he calls it a “Windfall Profits Tax”.
Um… your turn to tell us why Palin is ignorant of her own tax plan.
A case of telling a lie enough times that it starts to become the truth. The tax Alaska set cannot be defined as a windfall profits tax. It’s Kudlow’s fault for misdefining it.
Zoomzoom…
If she’s such a bimbo, how did she rise to small town mayor, O&G;regulator and then a highly-popular governor? Was it the wink?
Ok, I’ll call up ever Alaskian, ask them about their voting records, and determine what type of reasoning they have for whom they voted for…
Or, maybe you can address the simple point that I brought up, you know, the one you just dodged out of the way..
She can’t even explain her own statements when Katie Couric asks her to.
That’s all of the truth that I need. Her failure in the interviews was not from a foundation of not being able to speak well (which is fine by me if you’re not the best public speaker), but a foundation of not having any meaning to the words that she says.
That, is the shaky foundation that you’re trying to build upon.
Comment?
Comment?
I completely agree that she bombed the Couric interview, but our conclusions are very different. I’ve seen Gov. Palin in other interviews and debates, and thought she performed well. She may not always be the most articulate defender of her views, but she’s no “bimbo”.
I’m not the one who called her a ‘bimbo’, which has totally different implications the what I would use to describe her, which is ‘vacant’.
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Boy, that hillbilly from Alaska has sure got you off the deep end, Lee. Maybe you should start a new category, just for her, especially considering this is, what, the 5th post about her in 3 days?