Living Among the Infidels
by Lee
Because, as we all know, racial profiling of Arabs in our midst would be wrong and do nothing but perpetuate inaccurate stereotypes.
Federal law enforcement officers are trying to determine whether they have uncovered a network of Al Qaeda supporters in Northern California.
Two law enforcement sources have confirmed to FOX News that there is a connection between Umer and Hamid Hayat, the father and son arrested over the weekend in Lodi, Calif., on criminal charges, and two Pakistani citizens currently being held on immigration violations. Lodi is an agricultural community 40 miles south of Sacramento.
The son allegedly received terrorist training and funding from the father, an ice cream truck driver, so he could carry out attacks on hospitals and large food stores in the United States.
Hamid Hayat, 22, and his father, Umer Hayat, 47, are charged with lying to authorities about the son’s alleged training at an Al Qaeda camp in 2003 and 2004 and money sent for training. Charges for terrorism could come soon.
Umer and Hamid Hayat are American citizens, and the younger man was born in California.
If you’re looking for insane, morally bankrupt individuals who support terrorism, hate America, want to see our troops killed, and the war lost, you don’t have to go looking for terrorists. Just go spend a few hours in San Francisco, they’re everywhere.
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I wonder how much of that money came from people sending money from the USA in SF back to Chinà?
You know, maybe there is something to that “no fly” list afterall ... but leave it to the geniuses to divert the plane, question him, and then let him go. It was only days afterward that they used a polygraph and he confessed.
Part of his training was to kill all Americans. Even the liberals! I am shocked, seriously ... I thought they were exempt from islamofacist hatred. Live and learn, I guess.
If you’re looking for insane, morally bankrupt individuals who support terrorism, hate America, want to see our troops killed, and the war lost, you don’t have to go looking for terrorists. Just go spend a few hours in San Francisco, they’re everywhere.
Or the UN…
Ice cream truck driver? Damn, I had no idea they paid THAT well. Think I’ll quit my job.
Anyone else notice the MSM yelling that Army Recruiting has been down in the past few months? Perhaps the 5.1% unemployment rate, the lowest it has been since 9/11, has something to do with the Army (and anyone else) finding employees. It’s too juicy a story for the MSM to pass up - the drop being evidence of recruits cowering in fear at the horrible Iraq casualties.
Good point. I would wonder if anyone has done a comparative study of Iraqi casualties versus casualties in Stateside units. I lost three friends while serving Stateside, and not a single one was to a sniper’s bullet or suicide bomb.
For some reason, I genuinely can’t get worked up about the PLA nuking San Francisco over a dispute involving Taiwan. Part of it though is my ever-increasing disgust with entire system of government and both political parties. The Senate Intel Com. wants to give the FBI formal Writs of Assitance now. Congratulations, you assholes. You have just made a farce out of the American Revolution.
There’s no good reason to sign up for the armed forces now except the pay/benefits/job security and to get a free college education. This country is only a few years away from being a total mockery of every ideal it was founded on and repeating every single last abuse that prompted the war for independence. Wonder why patriotism is dying in many people? Look to capitol hill. Nothing but a bunch of rich old white men scared for their petty little lives and offices who piss and shit all over our Constitution, legal system and citizenry. The real threat to America is the average member of Congress, the judiciary and the Bush Administration. It’s not a Democrat or Republican thing, it’s the entire damn political establishment from Pelosi to Bush to the bastards on the SCOTUS who ruled in the majority on Raich v. Ashcroft.
The terrorists just want to kill you. The political elite wants you to become a serf and have your children born into political slavery. Who do you think is more evil?
There’s no good reason to sign up for the armed forces now except the pay/benefits/job security and to get a free college education. This country is only a few years away from being a total mockery of every ideal it was founded on and repeating every single last abuse that prompted the war for independence. Wonder why patriotism is dying in many people? Look to capitol hill. Nothing but a bunch of rich old white men scared for their petty little lives and offices who piss and shit all over our Constitution, legal system and citizenry. The real threat to America is the average member of Congress, the judiciary and the Bush Administration. It’s not a Democrat or Republican thing, it’s the entire damn political establishment from Pelosi to Bush to the bastards on the SCOTUS who ruled in the majority on Raich v. Ashcroft.
The Senate Intel Com. wants to give the FBI formal Writs of Assitance now.
Welcome to the Fourth Amendment. And y’know, I understand the need for the PATRIOT Act, but the Fourth Amendment is still part of the Constitution, and any judge in the country would overturn this the moment anyone wanted to stand up and say, “Not without a REAL subpoena”.
But the Intel Committee is NOT Congress, and they don’t get to change anything. The most they can do is make recommendations to the whole Senate.
That having been said, I tend to agree with you. I’ve been telling people to stock ammo for years now. (You gotta buy the ammo in small amounts - not more than a box or two at a time - from several places, spread out over weeks and months, so as to not raise suspicions.)
Wonder why patriotism is dying in many people?
Uh, compared to pre-9/11?
Drumwaster,
Unfortunately, unless either hundreds of thousands of angry voters call and scream at them or march on DC with guns, this’ll probably pass the Congress and Bush will sign it since he can’t grok the world veto.
The terrorists just want to kill you. The political elite wants you to become a serf and have your children born into political slavery. Who do you think is more evil?
Um ... I’m gonna take a wild guess here and say the terrorists??
Is MikeThomsen one of those far-right-wing wackos I keep hearing about?
Posted by MikeThomsen on 06/09 at 10:56 AM
Drumwaster,
Unfortunately, unless either hundreds of thousands of angry voters call and scream at them or march on DC with guns, this’ll probably pass the Congress and Bush will sign it since he can’t grok the world veto.
That’s about the only good thing about living in California - knowing that both of my Senators would be voting against it ANYWAY. But you’re right, Bush has not vetoed a single bill that has passed his desk - not once in 4 1/2 years.
Is MikeThomsen one of those far-right-wing wackos I keep hearing about?
But Poosh, being in England, aren’t you?
Is MikeThomsen one of those far-right-wing wackos I keep hearing about?
Sounds like it.
I think you might be thinking of these guys.
On a side note, is anyone who lives in San Francisco actually from San Francisco?! Here in New York City, being a Manhattanite is a state of mind. In all of my years living in New York City (I lived in every borough but Staten Island), I have never met a single Manhattanite within my cirlces that was actually raised (nevermind born) in Manhattan. All (not most)of them never lived anywhere in New York City except Manhattan.
The perfect example of this New York State-of-Mind is illustrated in Sex & The City. They trumpet how Manhattan is the be-all, end-all...but none of them is from there. They never had to grow up with the shitty amenities that force families to flee to Long Island, New Jersey and Connecticut. I have a coworker who told flat out told me that I was not a real New Yorker because I live (and spent most of my life) in Brooklyn. Prior to buying an overpriced co-op on the Yupper West Side, he grew up in Youngstown, OH. My wife (against my better judgement) invited him and his wife over to our home in Brooklyn. His response: “Uh, we don’t borough.” Fuck him and those like him.
What a bunch of friggin’ snob poseurs. I can’t see it being much better in San Francisco.
But Poosh, being in England, aren’t you?
Yes. Yes I am.
Sharp Turn-
Try on Manhattan snobbery when you’re from Jersey for the FULL EFFECT. I can talk to women in bars and hit it off with them until they find out I’m from Jersey. Once they hear that, they look at me like I’m covered in sores and smell like cat piss.
As for living among liberal know-nothings, anyone who has gone to college knows what it’s like. I like the South Park episode where Cartman tries to stop the hippie invasion. He said something like “We have to act NOW before all the know-it-all college hippies show up!”
"I need to clear out your giggling stoners, and your drum circle hippies right now, before the attract something worse.” “And that is?” “College Know-it-all hippies”
Once they hear that, they look at me like I’m covered in sores and smell like cat piss.
You’re not??
Hmmmmm ...
thank you Zeriniel… and Moxie… that’s just stupid
drewdognj, I hear you man. My wife has a Manhattanite snob colleague that lives in the Yupper West Side. She’s a 34 yr.old professional, single and looking for a mate. She’s grew up in Sacramento, arrived in NYC to do a medical internship and immediately lived smack-dab in the the middle of Greenwich Village (thanks to the hospital’s resident housing.) She sees everything through the Manhattan veneer. No one can do anything right West of the Hudson and East of the FDR drive. Her dilemma: She’s having a hell of a time trying to find a man. Stat: there are only 7 single men to every 10 single women in Manhattan. Factor in that close to 20-30% of those men are probably gay, the dating pool is even more paltry.
Anyway, some time ago my wife set her up with one of her Brooklyn single pals. Great guy. He is a firefighter who is stationed in Manhattan but lives in Bensonhurst. Didn’t work out. While she admitted to hitting it off really well and being very attracted to him, she never followed through. She said to my wife “He’s great but he’s too rough around the edges. Do you know any Manhattan firefighters?” My wife abruptly said, “No, because Manhattanite firefighters don’t exist! No firefighter can afford to live in Mahnattan because they’re too busy busting their asses keeping Manhattan afloat so folks like you to live in it!”
Her response (no joke): “He’s great but I can’t see having a relationship with someone who lives in Brooklyn.” She deserves everything she gets. Now she’s dating some investment banker putz that she doesn’t even like but he fits the bill. They deserve each other. They are both the most self-absorbed, self-aggrandizing twats you’ll ever meet. But hey, he lives in Tribeca...but he’s originally from Nutley (don’t remind him of that.)
Fuck Manhattanites!
drewdognj, there is a derogatory term Manhattanites use for the likes of you:
Bridgers and Tunnelers.
“Uh, we don’t borough.”
Wow, that’s bad.
is anyone who lives in San Francisco actually from San Francisco?
I’m a native San Franciscan and lived there for many years. There are plenty of natives still there. But, most of my native friends have moved out of the city due to cost of living. I still have one native friend there but his dad died and left him all kinds of SF property that they didn’t know he had. Dude’s worth millions now.
I can’t see it being much better in San Francisco.
Surprisingly, I never got that there. Most people know they are immigrants to the city and only a rare old salt would ever give you flak about it. It’s actually part of the culture of SF. It’s always been that way. Everyone there is from somewhere else or their parents or grandparents are/were. Look at the histories of SF and NYC. They’re very similar in that regard. Sea port culture I guess.
Stat: there are only 7 single men to every 10 single women in Manhattan. Factor in that close to 20-30% of those men are probably gay, the dating pool is even more paltry.
Why is that anyway? Why the skewed vag to wang ratio?
It’s actually part of the culture of SF. It’s always been that way. Everyone there is from somewhere else or their parents or grandparents are/were. Look at the histories of SF and NYC. They’re very similar in that regard. Sea port culture I guess.
I wasn’t referring to immigrants. Fact is, my great grandparents were from Italy. I was referring to domestic relocators that settled into NYC. Moreover, most immigrants do not live in Manhattan, except for a handful of Latinos in Spanish Harlem. Little Italy is a shell of its former self. The Arab quarter in downtown Manhattan has vanished and even the Asians are getting squeezed out of Chinatown. The largest immigrant populations in NYC are found in Brooklyn and Queens. Manhattan is just too untouchable for most folks excepts elites. It’s gotten to a point where a starving artist can’t even eek out a pathetic living in Alphabet City.
I like the South Park episode where Cartman tries to stop the hippie invasion. He said something like “We have to act NOW before all the know-it-all college hippies show up!”
Sounds like what’s going on in New Hampshire. NH has been the one bastion of open conservatism in the Northeast. My friend lives up there and he says that there is a growing population of liberals. It was never more evident than in last year’s Presidential Election. Kerry won NH. Many Hampshirites think that it’s the beginning of the end of the world as they know it. Pretty soon, NH will have a state tax no thanks to the new throng of lefty voters in the state.
Manwhore,
The BAy Area is not Northern Cal, well maybe the Marijunana Land is, but once you get east and north, the folks are fairly “normal”. I trhink it has something to do with the salt air.
Yes, they’re everywhere, all over the world.
Jihad text gave rules for killers, court told
Marian Wilkinson
National Security Editor
SMH Friday June 10, 2005
‘A former Qantas baggage handler who compiled a book outlining “short and wise” rules for fighting jihad on his computer in suburban Lakemba dedicated it to the “martyrs of Islam”.
Yesterday the bizarre and often violent text was handed over to Sydney Central Local Court, where its 35-year-old editor, Bilal Khazal, faced a charge of making documents likely to facilitate terrorist acts.
Dressed in a long navy dish-dasha dress shirt, white prayer cap, socks and sandals, the portly Khazal sat impassively as prosecutor Geoffrey Bellew told the court that almost a third of the offending book was directed to the topic of assassination, including a list of attributes needed to be part of an assassination team - “wit and a quick mind”, “a terrorist psychology” and “high physical fitness”.
The book concluded with praise for al-Qaeda’s “impressive success of the conquest of New York” on September 11, 2001.
Defence lawyers for Khazal argued the Lebanese-born father of two had merely compiled the book from documents taken from the internet. But, according to the prosecutor, Khazal wrote the introduction to “Provisions on the Rules of Jihad”, where he says he was asked to prepare it by “brothers working to support this religion”.
Using a pseudonym, Abu Mohamed Attawheedy, Khazal apologises in the introduction for the poor job on the text, saying it was done in a few days, but “better haste than never”.
The book was posted on a Jihadist website from September 2003 to May 2004.
The wide-ranging chapter on assassination, attributed to numerous scholars, debates not only setting up hit squads but explains how mujahideen fighters in Palestine and elsewhere can protect themselves against being hit by the CIA and Mossad.
Among the assassination techniques used by Western intelligence, the book says, are letter bombs, snipers, car bombs and “cake throwing”, which it adds, “is well known in the West”.
Jihadists are warned to be alert to couples pretending to be joking before attacking the target with cakes. “This could lead to his eyes, nose and mouth being plugged and [he] loses the ability to breathe. Few would suspect the fatal consequences.”
But in another section it includes a checklist for jihadist assassins, from getting the budgeting and transport organised, to checking wiring and receivers before attempting to use time-bombs.
Less clear from the text is who are the targets of the jihadist assassins. While the political and military leaders from the West are suggested, along with infidels in Arab countries, including Jews, Christians and Arabs, at times the book insists that “a legal fatwa” must be obtained for assassinations.
Counsel for Khazal, Murugan Thangaraj, argued the book did not instruct people to commit terrorist acts and was only a book about terrorism.
“This document does not direct any specific act to any specific person and is really a general document,” Mr Thangaraj said.
He is objecting to police laying a second charge against Kharzal yesterday of inciting another person to commit a terrorist act. The charge came a year after Khaszal’s arrest just as his commital hearing was to start.
The hearing continues today’.
Moxie,
If someone’s sole goal is to kill you, it is much easier to deal with them. You pull out a gun, ready it and shoot them in the head. Boom, problem solved.
Those who want to enslave you and your progeny are typically much more subtle. They hide behind legal procedures, voice votes (so constituents can’t find out how far down the river they got sold) and rough men with guns when all else fails. They make much of their ambition out of setting up an apparatus around you where you can’t die, but you can’t be free either.
I think John Stuart Mill said it best on the issue of terrorist v. your own government that wants to enslave you:
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
A man who would rather live an entire life as a slave than die as a free man with his dignity is beneat them contempt of every honest free man.
"Hamid Hayat, 22, and his father, Umer Hayat, 47, are charged with lying to authorities about the son’s alleged training at an Al Qaeda camp in 2003 and 2004 and money sent for training. Charges for terrorism could come soon. “
Are these guys American citizens? What about the 5th Amendment prohibition against compelled self-incrimination? If a federal agent asks you “Are you a member of al Qaeda?” you are in what is known as the “cruel trilemma:” you can lie and be guilty of false statements, you can tell the truth and be guilty of belonging to a terrorist organization, or you can keep silent and ... well, I guess they weren’t smart enough to keep silent.
One of the great things about being an American is the freedom to find your own destiny. If that search takes you to an al Qaeda training camp, do you automatically lose your “American” status? If not, at what point do you do so? At what point does a confused, young Arab-American man “cross the line,” so to speak?” Just something I’ve been thinking about.
The line is clear. It is when speech becomes action. If he had restricted himself to rooting for America’s defeat, he would have been welcomed with open arms to the ranks of groups like “MoveOn(dot)org”, the Democratic Underground and all of the swankiest Hollywood parties.
But when he actually attended that AQ camp, it was no longer “protected speech”.
It’s worth remembering that the only crime defined in the Constitution is “treason”.
Drum-
With all due respect, the reason treason is defined in the Constitution is so that it would be harder to convict someone of it - the British were really big on trumping up what we would call “terrorism” charges today and convicting (and executing) on flimsy evidence.
I dont know whether this family is guilty or innocent. But if this guy merely went over there to see for himself what was going on, it seems to me our laws as they stand right now leave no place for the very “American” right of finding out what is going on for yourself, and not accepting at face-value what the government tells you. You mention “protected speech,” what about “freedom of association?” If he didn’t do anything, take any action, what is the crime?
But if this guy merely went over there to see for himself what was going on, it seems to me our laws as they stand right now leave no place for the very “American” right of finding out what is going on for yourself, and not accepting at face-value what the government tells you.
There’s a big difference between just “trying to find out the truth for oneself” and attending a terrorist training camp and returning with a vow to kill Americans.
Much as I loathe Sean Penn, he’s trying to pretend to care. But actually sending money to the terror groups and attending the training camps (equivalent to “boot camp” - which implies an informal enlistment in a foreign army) definitely falls under the definition of “levying war against the United States, or adhering to her enemies, giving them aid and comfort”, wouldn’t you think?
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Wasnt that little snot found fighting with Al quaeda and then screaming he was an American in Afghanistan an American ffom Northern Frogistan aka. Northern Cali?
Thought so.
It was all cool in jihad world until assmunch got shot a couple of times.