Government healthcare takeover economics 101.

by AlexinCT

Posted by ? on 03/12/10 at 01:10 PM from

Seriously you are a nut job?

“and gives government absolute and total control of all things healthcare”.  Last time i checked physicians make health care decissions.  But you are not doubt and expert on that to.  This is your typical bs straw man argument based on nonsense.  I can assure you that the evil governemnt does not tell me how to treat pts and those decissions are based on judgement.  Something you have totally lost watching Beck all day.

Posted by on 03/12/10 at 01:42 PM from

"physicians make health care decissions” -dog

Physicians only make suggestions, its up to your health care provider to approve or not and how much they will cover. If you think the Physicians make the decision.....well, go back to Olbermann.

Posted by AlexinCT on 03/12/10 at 02:18 PM from

Seriously you are a nut job?

Are you disputing anything I have posted about this with any facts dog? I have proof to back up what I said, and it comes from the government itself. WTF do you have other than your crazy lefty bull, to disprove me? The numbers come from their health plan, their CBO report, their own words. Where are you getting your numbers. All I did was show the voodoo economics and removed the smoke & mirrors to show how they are playing us all, and then pointed out that these government numbers are best case, since we all know that when it comes to social spending they are always way too low. For that I get a moron like you asking me if I am nuts?

“and gives government absolute and total control of all things healthcare”.  Last time i checked physicians make health care decissions. 

Check with the physicians that have to account to Medicare and other government subsidized plan about how much freedom they have to make decisions. Then have a look at the government controlled healthcare for our neighbor up north and ask their physicians how often their decisions are completely driven by government cost accounting guidelines. You must never have experienced the wonders of a HMO. This government healthcare takeover is going to make HMOs look awesome.

But you are not doubt and expert on that to.

Actually I am. There is a reason I have my own insurance instead of the one I could get for “free” from the government.

This is your typical bs straw man argument based on nonsense.

Really? Are you saying that Obamacare will not tax us for 4 or 5 years before we get any benefits? Or that after the first 10 years we will have a massive deficit? Or is your contention that collectivists who think they always know what is best for you and even go so far as to do things against your wishes – 70% of the American people do not want this plan and they are still pushing for it – are not going to be running every aspect of this? How are they going to control costs otherwise?

I can assure you that the evil governemnt does not tell me how to treat pts and those decissions are based on judgement.

Are you passing yourself off as a doctor now? What’s your specialty? What state do you practice in? What’s your malpractice insurance cost? Man if you are a doctor then I can claim to be one too. I can practice right in my momma’s basement just like you do!

Something you have totally lost watching Beck all day.

I am usually working when Beck is on, but your attempt to say people that watch Beck are somehow not as smart as you, just made me laugh. You are after all the idiot that’s still trying to make the case ACORN isn’t guilty of anything because O’Keefe wore a pimp outfit..

Physicians only make suggestions, its up to your health care provider to approve or not and how much they will cover.

You would think Dr. Dog would know that…

If you think the Physicians make the decision.....well, go back to Olbermann.

Now that’s a smart guy right there!

Posted by ? on 03/12/10 at 02:44 PM from

Your are still a nut job and you are making a fool of yourself. 

Your proof is nonsense.  You have no idea how medicare works based on your statemnents.  Medicare is a fee for service for 99% of billing they dont approve anything.  They can only not pay a specific charge.  So as always you state something that if flat out wrong.  Again.

And yes i think phyicians make health care decissions and i didnt get that from obermann (who i cant stand) i have a little more experience than that. 

One last thing, my mom doesnt have a basement.

Posted by on 03/12/10 at 04:50 PM from

@ Dog
Did not suggest you got that from Olbermann, just pushing your buttons.
Sure, physicians can make a decision but it might or might not get approved. Hence, the insurance company is the say so.
To think this bill is not a government takeover is just ignoring the facts.
We should start with TORT reform, cross state shopping and the removal of government mandates.
Obama might just be the best thing that has happened to conservatives in a long time. Hmmmm...smells like Jimmy !

Posted by ? on 03/12/10 at 05:17 PM from

Agreed i really dislike obermann.  What an ass.  I wish he would go back to sports.

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Posted by AlexinCT on 03/12/10 at 06:33 PM from

Your proof is nonsense.

Just like that, huh? Where is your proof that it is? Can you point out what I lied about or what I got wrong? Me, I am going to link you to HR3200 so you can go look it up for yourself. Here is the article showing that the CBO now says the bill will cost $1 trillion over 10 years, and since it is the NYT even mentions the lie that it saves $118 billion over those 10 years without pointing out that the government plans to collect for 10 years but only to pay for 5 or 6 years of services. And here you have the WSJ telling you that Obamacare is doing exactly what I told you it is: charging us for 10 years and giving us service for 5 or 6 years. My proof is indisputable. Q.E.D.

You are a moron, and likely a lying one too. You can google what Q.E.D means and come back and pretend you know Latin too, since you claim to be a doctor.

You have no idea how medicare works based on your statemnents. Medicare is a fee for service for 99% of billing they dont approve anything.

You want to tell me that Medicare doesn’t have its rates set by the government? That they are so low and have so much paperwork tied to them that most doctors that have established practices would rather not deal with it or avoid it completely?

Hey, while we are at it doctor dog, what’s Obama gonna do with medicare so it can help his smoke and mirrors show and make it look like this monstorus ripoff of a bill is saving money? Here is a hint: he is going to gut it to the tune of some S0 billion over the next decade. He claims that they can easily hit that by getting rid of waste. Your mother’s basment based practice might soon have to see medicare patients for penies on the dollar.

They can only not pay a specific charge.

LOL! So if they can deny the payment and hence screw the patient and/or the doctor, you don’t think that’s an example of the patient nor the doctor having a say in what they get covered? And you call me the nut job.

So as always you state something that if flat out wrong.  Again.

I will let people take a look at how effect and forthcoming you have been with facts to back up your assertions and make their decisions. Hope that practice in your momma’s basement works out well for you doctor proctor.

Posted by ? on 03/12/10 at 07:31 PM from

Again dude you cant get it right.  Medicare has the least amount of paper work and the lowest over head.  Get you head out of your ass if that is possible.  And stop linking to thinks that have nothing to do with my statements.

Medicare has by the lowest refusal rate for reimbursement so again get you head out of your ass.  It is like talking to a tree.  Do you even know how those rates are determined by medicare.  Jerkoff each sub speciality has a rep in the room representing very speciality.

And know you cant help yourself but try to not comment on someones mother.  But we all know what a class act you are.

My dad always said some people should just keep there mouths shut and let people think they are a fool.  But you, you open your mouth and it is clear you are a fool. 

d

Posted by ? on 03/12/10 at 07:33 PM from

And one last thing jerkoff.  Almost every practice and university takes medicare pts so again get your head out of your ass.

Posted by Ed Kline on 03/12/10 at 10:44 PM from

If I had made a drinking game out of every time Alex writes the word ‘collectivist’, I wouldve been dead months ago.
But othrwise I think in general, that he’s been writing better stuff lately.

Posted by AlexinCT on 03/12/10 at 11:04 PM from

Again dude you cant get it right.  Medicare has the least amount of paper work and the lowest over head. 

Says who? How about some proof? Any links? I keep providing proof to back up what I say, and you move the argument and ignore the smack down. The facts are indisputable: what the democrats are doing is disastrous and will destroy the healthcare system and quality in this country. Nobody but a lunatic, and certainly nobody in the medical community, would pretend otherwise.

Anyway, lest make it simple dog. Please explain to me why if Medicare was as efficient as you point out the Obama collectivists are concocting a new government healthcare takeover plan that drastically guts Medicare, when all they had to do was expand that?

Get you head out of your ass if that is possible.

Oh wait. This must be your attempt at providing proof to back up your argument. It seems to be the only kind you give every time.

And stop linking to thinks that have nothing to do with my statements

You called me a nut job for pointing out that this scam/scheme was going to bankrupt us, give government complete control of healthcare because they will have to control the money, and proceeded to insult me gratuitously for pointing out I was right and you were again speaking out of your ass. And now you claim that’s not what you meant to say and I am not representing your statement correctly? WTF was your statement then?

Medicare has by the lowest refusal rate for reimbursement so again get you head out of your ass.  It is like talking to a tree.

Proof?

Do you even know how those rates are determined by medicare.

I know they were determined by a bureaucrat and every doctor I know says they are way too low and don’t cover their costs. They also say that they have to justify everything to the government or risk being accused of defrauding them.

Jerkoff each sub speciality has a rep in the room representing very speciality.

And know you cant help yourself but try to not comment on someones mother.  But we all know what a class act you are.

I did not comment about your mother dog. I was insulting you and calling you out on the lie that you were a doctor. My bet is that you are one of the typical libs, living at home in the basement. Besides, the only class stuff you know is the stuff Marx preaches. How about you answer my questions about your medical expertise? Again, you are the one that claimed to be a doctor, not I. I just pointed out how obvious it is that what the democrats are doing will destroy this country financially.

My dad always said some people should just keep there mouths shut and let people think they are a fool.

JI suspect that your dad was talking to you and meant you should be the one shutting up dog. Did he also tell you to pretend to be something you clearly are not to lend credibility to weak arguments?

If I had made a drinking game out of every time Alex writes the word ‘collectivist’, I wouldve been dead months ago.

Lucky you then that you did not Ed. :)

Posted by on 03/13/10 at 09:07 AM from

Almost every practice and university takes medicare pts so again get your head out of your ass.

Perhaps ten years ago, but the trend any more is to not accept medicare and medicaid because they don’t cover the costs of providing service.  This is the inevitable result of government price controls - they tend to have no bearing on reality. 

Sometimes it takes longer (medicare) and sometimes it happens immediately (ask Hugo Chavez about that one), but price controls, which usually tend to end up as also being wage controls as well, destroy whatever it is they are attempting to “save”.  NY and San Francisco are prime examples of that with “rent control” = “slum creation”, or you can just take a look at what Nixon tried to implement 40 years ago to fight inflation.

Posted by on 03/13/10 at 12:01 PM from

Medicare has by the lowest refusal rate for reimbursement

That’s just a flat out lie according to the AMA

Posted by on 03/14/10 at 09:58 AM from

Really Dog, do you have anything to back up what you are saying?  I could write that Alex is full of shit because the Obama Hope/Change unicorm will change its farts from rainbows to prescriptions (stinky but free) and would have almost as much credibility as your rants. 

And, ummm, are you a doctor?  Or was that a typo or some sort of rhetorical device?

Just curious.