if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained?"
-- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
Flight 93
by Lee
Andrew Sullivan links to this movie teaser and states:
When you see this trailer, you’ll either start choking up, or think that Hollywood’s exploitation of tragedy has finally gone too far. I choked up.
I tend to think that Hollywood’s exploitation of tragedy has really hit a new fucking low.
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Well, we’ve numerous movies about Pearl Harbor, I can’t really see where this is much different except that the families of the victims are still living.
I assume that they will be protrayed as the common man become heros that they were.....
It seemed OK to me...at least it isn’t a “Blame America” movie like Syriana.
I’m more of a “Grandma’s Boy” movie goer anyway.
Well, we’ve numerous movies about Pearl Harbor, I can’t really see where this is much different except that the families of the victims are still living.
Exactly. It’s not that this isn’t a great story, nor that it shouldn’t be told. But it hasn’t even been five yeas, and we’ve got two movies in production dealing with 9/11, one being directed by Oliver Stone of all people. These are stories that should be told, but not so damn quickly. It’s just tasteless, no matter how it’s presented.
Now, do you think for a second that the hijackers are going to be portrayed as bloodthirsty murdering Islamofascist scum? Not on your life. They’ll be shown in a way that the viewer will begin to understand them, that we might have some insight into why they committed this act. Typical Hollywood bullshit.
If you’re looking for a really good 9-11 movie, I’d recommend D.C. 9-11: Time Of Crisis, with Timothy Bottoms as President Bush.
They’ll be shown in a way that the viewer will begin to understand them, that we might have some insight into why they committed this act. Typical Hollywood bullshit.
I’m going to disagree with you on that one. I really don’t think hollywood is THAT stupid.
They’ll be shown in a way that the viewer will begin to understand them
The only thing I want to understand about a terrorist is that they’re no longer breathing.
They should let me write the script - the terrorists would be evil beyond comprension, have skid-marked drawers, BO, nasty teeth, and be blowing each other the evening of Sept 10.....
I really don’t think hollywood is THAT stupid.
After seeing some behind the scenes and actual quotes from the those working on the series Sleeper Cell, I believe they ARE stupid. Just as stupid as the film makers in Europe.
and be blowing each other the evening of Sept 10.....
Throw in a hypocritical, southern Baptist preacher and you got yerself a Hollywood blockbuster.
"I don’t think that Hollywood is THAT Stupid”
Munich, anyone?
What next? a remorseful movie about the Raid on Entebbe?
Munich, anyone?
What’s up with Munich? The preview looked good. I admit I don’t know the premise.
I really don’t think hollywood is THAT stupid.
Oh, sure they are. No filmmaker in Hollywood is going to want to be perceived as stereotyping all Arabs as terrorists. This is just my guess, but you’re going to have a character in the movie, maybe one of the passengers or someone working at the airport or something, who is an Arab. Trust me on this one. Ironically, prior to 9/11 showing Arabs as terrorists was perfectly acceptable. It was only after 9/11 that it became verboten.
As mentioned above, Munich is a great example of moral equivalency. Admittedly I haven’t seen it, and I’m sure it’s a great film, but it smacks to me of Spielberg’s attempt at exactly what I said above, understanding the enemy. Another really good recent example is Ridley Scott’s film about the Crusades, Kingdom of Heaven. Basically the Christians and the Muslims were shown to be these secular businessmen who liked and respected each other, and were sent into war only by religious zealots, as if religious belief really had nothing to do with the crusades, and if only we got to know and understand each other a little better then there wouldn’t be war or conflict.
Mark my fucking words, this is going to be a feel-good liberal crapfest.
What’s up with Munich? The preview looked good. I admit I don’t know the premise.
Palestinians kill the Jews at Munich. Israel sends assassins to kill the Palestinians. Lots of plaintive wailing and soul searching on the part of the Israeli commandos as they realize that they are no better than the Palestinian terrorists.
Spielberg is a Jew, but he’s a Hollywood liberal first.
I want to see it. Those passengers were heros.
Of course, if they try to sell some moral equivalency, I’m going to be pissed.
Spielberg is a Jew, but he’s a Hollywood liberal first.
I wonder how he feels in the wake of the Gaza chaos. How can anyone defend those animals?
I lost a lot of respect for him after he fucked with the “ET” DVD release. Fucking dumbass, bleeding heart liberals.
Judging from what I’ve seen at the film’s official website, it looks promising. It was made with the permission of all of the passengers’ families and seems a pretty fair depiction of events.
You think it’s exploitative because you’re not a drama queen who is in love with his own “maverick-ness”, Lee. You’re a human being, not a caricature like Sullivan.
Sullivan only wants the one passenger who fought back, the one who is gay, to call his lover rom the plane. If that scene isn’t in there, he’ll be unhappy.
I’m watching a bunch of 9/11 documentaries on The History Channel and I feel like gutting a fucking terrorist right now. I’d fucking torture the bastard for hours with every act, object or substance they find offensive, then shit on the corpse before setting it on fire. (Well...maybe not that last part)
I’m still so pissed about 9/11 that I don’t think I could watch this movie without flying into a rage and tearing up the theatre. If that’s what you mean about it being too soon, Lee, then I understand.
I think people in Hollywood are so removed from 9/11 and the emotions associated with it that they feel it’s perfectly acceptable to make these movies now.
I’ll wait until the movie is released to pass judgement. Maybe, just maybe, it will be done tastefully.
JimK: Lee’s not a caricature-but he can still be a drama queen. Remember him threatening to quit? : )
For my own money, Hollyweird is so far removed from reality that they can only see 9-11 in an abstract way...to them, everything and everyone is just part of the scenery on their set.
I tend to think that Hollywood’s exploitation of tragedy has really hit a new fucking low.
Uhhh..I am waiting to see when
hollywood will bottom out. They just don’t have enough new blood in the industry to come up with fresh ideas.
Oliver Stone? Knowing him the movie won’t even feature arab hijackers. It will probably feature one of the non official conspiracy theories.
Lee,
My woman is going to Auckland and Sydney. What should I ask for as a gift?
Now, do you think for a second that the hijackers are going to be portrayed as bloodthirsty murdering Islamofascist scum? Not on your life. They’ll be shown in a way that the viewer will begin to understand them, that we might have some insight into why they committed this act. Typical Hollywood bullshit.
Are those two things really mutualy exclusive? You can believe Hitler is the definition of scum but still read an article about his psychology or try and understand what made him do what he did
Speaking of which, it’s intersting to note that most of history’s tyrants-from Napoleon to Hitler to Stalin to the shrimp who’s currently running Iran-were short and/or had some kind of physical deformity or ailment. They also tended to be artistic or otherwise creative failures and had abusive parents. It’s all about overcompensation and revenge against their fathers carried to its extreme.
P.S. It’s been noted that in Hitler’s paintings (the ones he did in art school) people are portrayed as objects, like the buildings and other scenery. He doesn’t portray them as having emotion; they’re like statues.
It would be good if it had the song “America, Fuck Yeah” from Team America. Somehow, I doubt that would happen.
Maybe they’ll go with the conspiracy theory that a warplane shot down that plane? I’ve heard Americans who argue this theory. Of course, I’m as shocked by that as they are by me (conservative Canadian). I remember having a conversation with a US liberal and I was defending the Iraq invasion and denying the stupid conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11.
Maybe in this movie will strike that balance between the tragedy and liberal politics they’ll use the official account of 9/11 but make the president a pacifist gay republican. This president will show the world the way and how things should have been done by capturing Bin Laden while personally delivering care packages to Afghanistan and Iraq. At this point, the people the will rise up in love and over throw the repressive regimes with sit-ins and protests. Then democracy will be had by all.
The End
p.s. Please disregard the ending of this story, I think much like Hollywood, I was having an acid flash back.
If you ever get someone starting to spout off all the 9/11 conspiracies a good place to send them is popular mechanics. They debunked all those claims, such as the military plane shooting flight 93.
Just reading this and seeing the conspiracies they take on makes you ask how in the hell anyone out there could believe them in the first place.
At least they had the decency to NOT release it on September 11.
My woman is going to Auckland and Sydney. What should I ask for as a gift?
A blow job.
I really don’t think hollywood is THAT stupid.
Cheaper by the dozen 2?
Speaking of disappointing movies..THE HOSTEL really let me down..Fell asleep bout 30 minutes in
Were you one of the ones who got suckered in by Tarantino’s name? I’d bet he didn’t have anything to do with the production - just got paid a “product placement fee” to have his name on the credits.
My woman is going to Auckland and Sydney. What should I ask for as a gift?
I don’t know. They have all the same shit there that they do here. Maybe some aboriginal or Maori artwork? You can get wool stuff down there that’s really cool, boots and jackets and stuff made from sheepskin, finest in the world. Apart from maybe something like that, the stuff you get there is pretty much the same as here. I know when I travel I always try to get a piece of local artwork. I’ve got stuff from China and Thailand and Australia and every other place I’ve been decorating my walls, looks really really cool.
Speaking of disappointing movies..THE HOSTEL really let me down..Fell asleep bout 30 minutes in
Dude, are you serious? I saw it last night and fucking loved it. A great slasher film in the tradition of great slasher films. Hot, naked chicks, and mindless, obscene violence. Tons of gore, great suspense, creepy people, the works. It’s not high art in any sense of the word, but it was a hell of a lot of fun.
Were you one of the ones who got suckered in by Tarantino’s name? I’d bet he didn’t have anything to do with the production - just got paid a “product placement fee” to have his name on the credits.
He’s an “executive producer”. That means that he was involved in getting the film into the studio, putting people together, giving the film some muscle by attaching his name to it. He’s also a frothing egomaniac, and likes his name prominently displayed on everything he is involved with. But I don’t feel like I got suckered in at all, I think that Tarantino likes good slasher flicks as much as anyone, and if he was willing to put his name to it then it was probably pretty good. I wasn’t disappointed.
They have all the same shit there that they do here. Maybe some aboriginal or Maori artwork? You can get wool stuff down there that’s really cool, boots and jackets and stuff made from sheepskin, finest in the world.
Kangaroo jerky? Do they have that?
Three words...Quentin Tarantino Sucks.
The PM article was good, buzzion.
I dunno… I liked ‘Four Rooms’.
I guess I was looking for more violence and more hot,naked chicks..LOL..can never have too much
Quentin Tarantino’s Kill Bills were the worst films I’ve seen EVER. And I’ve seen Batman and Robin…
Three words...Quentin Tarantino Sucks.
Why? He’s made some of the most popular films of the last decade. He must be doing something right.
I suppose you mean you don’t like his work, for whatever reason.
Lee,being an exec producer also can mean you had absolutely nothing to do with the production of the movie.he aslo has his name attached to another piece of crap coming out around now so i figured he justed needed some christmas,sorry i mean winter break,money.just an overblown,extremely lucky ex-video store clerk.
A great slasher film
The only good slasher films are the Scream Trillogy and they’re at heart a piss take
One Coen brother beats a Tarantino in my book though. Two and it’s not even fair.
Three words...Quentin Tarantino Sucks.
You would say that, Jay.
When you see this trailer, you’ll either start choking up, or think that Hollywood’s exploitation of tragedy has finally gone too far. I choked up.
For me - both. Too emotional. Too soon.
Quentin Tarantino’s Kill Bills were the worst films I’ve seen EVER. And I’ve seen Batman and Robin…
Well, we have to expect that from you Poosh. As Pai Mei would say about you Poosh: “You bray like an ass!”
I will not debate this. I am going to sleep. I do not revisit old posts.
This is the same director who did The Bourne Supremacy. If that doesn’t ring any liberal hollywood bells, then something is wrong with you.
Exec producer usually means they fronted the money for the production. In doing so, some exert control on the creative aspect of the film. No idea what QT did though.
I suppose you mean you don’t like his work, for whatever reason.
You are correct, sir!
Tarantino is unto film-making as dadaism is unto art.
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I can’t get the movie to play. Even in IE *shudders*