Everyone, Meet Janice
by Lee
Yesterday I admitted in a comment to a post that the reason I hadn’t written a post about Janice Rogers Brown is because, frankly, I didn’t know much about her. The frothing left-wing moonbats over at People for the American Way have compiled a list of quotes from her speeches and decisions which are supposed to horrify the reader, and I find myself smiling in agreement with just about everything she said. Here she is giving her thoughts on capitalism, socialism, and liberalism.
Democracy and capitalism seem to have triumphed. But, appearances can be deceiving. Instead of celebrating capitalism’s virtues, we offer it grudging acceptance, contemptuous tolerance, but only for its capacity to feed the insatiable maw of socialism. We do not conclude that socialism suffers from a fundamental flaw. We conclude instead that its ends are worthy of any sacrifice – including our freedom….1937…marks the triumph of our own socialist revolution. [Federalist speech at 6-7, 10]
In truth, liberalism’s vaunted tolerance and openness is a lie. In America, at least, liberalism is tolerant only of those concerns to which it is indifferent. To those trivialized forms of religious observance which amount to no more than a consumer preference, the culture maintains a posture of tolerance. [Speech to St. Thomas More Society (Oct. 15, 1998) at 8]
Read ‘em all. If a bunch of shitbags like PFAW hate her, she’s got to have something going for her.
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We are heirs to a mind-numbing bureaucracy; subject to a level of legalization that cannot avoid being arbitrary, capricious, and discriminatory. What other outcome is possible in a society in which no adult can wake up, go about their business, and return to their homes without breaking several laws?
- Janice Rogers Brown
Ooh, give it to me baby!
her problem is that she’s black, female, reasonable, intelligent, lucid and a DEMOCRAT!!!
as far as demoidiots are concerned, that’s like being a Jewish Nazi.
insatiable maw of socialism
Talk about a generalization. I’ve seen this insatiable maw. You know what it looks like? It looks a lot like my grandma hooked up to a dialysis machine.
You know what else it looks like? It looks like disgustingly rich HMO’s and Home Health Care Service corporations defrauding the Medicaid and Medicare systems to the tune of billions of dollars.
And you can generalize about capitalism too.
As for government. It’s primary purpose (in my humble opinion) should be to protect the weak and meek in society. The strong need no protection and should be able to protect themselves. And as for governmental bureaucracy and fraud… I think that goes for any organization. Take a look at the Catholic Church. You don’t cover up the volume of child molestations that occurred without getting together and formulating an organizational plan.
How about we outlaw organizations consisting of human beings? I think that may fix our problems.
Someone please give me an example of an organization that doesn’t have a corrupt side.
Someone please give me an example of an organization that doesn’t have a corrupt side.
Salvation Army.
Does your mother know you’re using her computer?
Janice? JANICE?
OH. MY. GAWWWD.
As for government. It’s primary purpose (in my humble opinion) should be to protect the weak and meek in society. The strong need no protection and should be able to protect themselves.
Leech. The duty of the government should be to protect its citizens. The strong need no protection? They need protection from leeches like you who seek to siphon their strength because you have none of your own. The strong were not granted strength through mystic powers or magic lamps. How do you think they became strong? How is it that they can become strong but the weak cannot? Or rather, refuse to. Explain that to me.
I’ll hand it to ya Lee, putting those quotes up on the site was like sparking the ole bug light for the moonbats...they seem to be swarming in the comments section!!! Listen to em ....!
Who’s gonna protect us from the weak and meek who can’t be arsed to work and band together to take on the strong and steal the strong’s wealth?
As for government. It’s primary purpose (in my humble opinion) should be to protect the weak and meek in society. The strong need no protection and should be able to protect themselves.
The strong don’t need protection, but the government shouldn’t be defending the meek at the expense of the strong. That’s what governments do through redistribution programs. It’s not fair to the strong to take from them just because someone else is weak.
The weak are often weak by there own fault. Yes, some people are born with disease and difficulties. There are always charities to help them and people should be able to donate and assist at will, not be forced by government. However, many people choose partying over a good education. Drugs and alcohol over exercise, they weaken themselves by choice. They should not be able to take from the strong (who made good decisions) because of their bad decisions.
Someone please give me an example of an organization that doesn’t have a corrupt side.
Every organization has corruption and no one has ever said that capitalism doesn’t have it’s corrupt side. However, there are laws in place to punish the corrupt. Also, if a capitalist organization isn’t meeting the needs of it customers or is cheating them, the customers can go elsewhere. The government can step in to punish the wrong doers. When the government is the only power, you can’t just go somewhere else. Legal immigration isn’t easy. Plus, if you want to stay in your country the only alternative to a corrupt system is revolution. I don’t know about you, but I’d sooner just choose to shop somewhere else then start a war in my home.
Let’s, for augments sake say that the current government is the perfect example of benevolence and piety (I’m not referring to any government in existence). They make laws to benefit the people. They have welfare programs and socialized medicine. For each of those nice things you get, you give up a little of your freedom. Next, they want to put cameras everywhere to keep everyone safe. You can’t really say no, because you could lose all your nice social programs if you do. But, this is the perfect government, they are nice people, so you go along with it. You lose your freedom a little bit all the time, but are safer. You get comfortable living in this nice social environment. You get lazy, you get weak because you don’t have to do anything for yourself. Whenever the government adds a new law or restriction, little by little, you don’t oppose it because of the nice big things you have. What happens when the next government comes to power and takes more and more of your freedoms away, offering less and less in return. The government in this social paradise has control on most of the things you hold dear in life. You have sold your freedom for that. Now that the government has absolute power, any petty dictator can take over and do what he/she wants. Once you governments set up a system that takes care of everything you need, you no longer have control over your own life. The government can control you by threatening the security they’ve built. It happens in many socialist societies. For now, it’s all nice and good. The worst on the horizon is a poor economy. Things maybe get bad, the people only know how to look to government for help, so when a government comes to power that promises that security they can do anything.
After writing this, it reminded me so much of the Nazis, or am I wrong?
Yeah. Too bad we can’t hook up some sort of zapper for them, that jolts ‘em when they click the ‘Submit’ button…
Does your mother know you’re using her computer?
Classy! I haven’t been put down with a reference to my mother since I was 15. Congratulations!
Salvation Army eh. If you think that the Salvation Army doesn’t engage in questionable business practices in the guise of a non-profit then that is just fine. I don’t want to shatter your Willy Wonka view of the world (have you been beating your oompa loompa?).
Yep, the Salvation Army is made up of 100% perfect people that care only for the betterment of their fellow man. From the top of the corporate ladder down to the guy counseling youth… these guys are squeaky clean (I mean their poop really don’t stink).
Nah, these guys aren’t taking advantage of hundreds of millions of dollars in federal grant dollars to run their programs. No, clearly the Salvation Army would never accept a “socialist” handout. And I’m sure that none of their national, regional, or local offices suffer from inefficiencies, or even worse… heaven forbid… bureaucracy (cringe!).
Ahhh! I get to feeling all warm and fuzzy just thinking about it. It does make me wonder what you really know about the Salvation Army, other that what Santa Claus tells you when he’s ringing the donation bell at Xmas time.
If there are any grown ups on this board that would like to pick another organization that would be good.
The Christian side of me is telling me to help the meek and weak! Crazy funndie Poosh! Separate Govenment from Religion!
fuck the weak. fuck the poor.
In Canada, the Liberal government has been caught in a corruption scandal. However, when the Conservative opposition starts to talk about it, the Liberal government starts shouting that the Conservative opposition has a hidden agenda on healthcare to shut them up. It’s common for the Liberals to use healthcare and anti-Americanism to avoid the tough questions.
Hell, they punctuate their sentences so much with “hidden agenda on health care” or “not like the Americans”, I think they forgot that a period is supposed to go there.
When you take decisions away from the greedy profiteering capitalists, and give it to the greedy vote hungry government, you have improved things at all.
Cancer Research!
Mr. Menace writes FOUR paragraphs on how the Salvation Army is corrupt and evil yet nowhere in those four paragraphs does he back up his statements with actual facts
Gotta love left-wing debate tatics......
lol JF. Happened over here in Britain as well.
I would have suggested the DNC, just to watch your head explode, but there was no way I could say that and still have kept a straight face.
How about you actually prove all of those libelous allegations you have just made?
How about you prove any one of them?
And your original question involved ‘corruption’, and you then shifted the goalposts so that ‘corruption’ was defined as “having human employees”. Which proves that you are neither serious nor worthy of any more of my time, since, by that definition, you are the apotheosis of corruption.
(not the corruption, just the typical leftist tactic)
Don’t listen to Drumwaster! He has a secret hidden agenda!
He want’s to change your views about healthcare! Don’t listen!
yet nowhere in those four paragraphs does he back up his statements with actual facts
Point taken.
For those too lazy to click on the link. 11% of revenues come from “Government Funds”. Their revenues were $3 billion. 11% of $3 billion is roughly $330,000,000.
Please point to where I mention that they are corrupt or evil… typical right wing idiot. I’m not implying that they are evil. I’m simply pointing out that they rely on our “corrupt” social system for dollars.
You guys are on me like gonorrhea on Pamela Anderson. My point is primarily that there are very few clear or easy options. You MUST have some social supports. Otherwise you must be willing to see (and have your children see) people dying in the streets. I am not willing to live in a society like that. I would rather pay SOME taxes to help.
I think you guys should write political speeches. There are two real gems mentioned on this page…
The weak are often weak by there own fault.
f*ck the weak. f*ck the poor.
God bless America.
If you want to get rid of the government, why not start with protective trade barriers?
Please point to where I mention that they are corrupt or evil… typical right wing idiot.
before
Someone please give me an example of an organization that doesn’t have a corrupt side.
Please point to where I mention that they are corrupt or evil…
Let’s review, just for the dumbass who doesn’t remember his own words. (That would be YOU, Cap’n Minus.)
Your post at 5:29…
“ Someone please give me an example of an organization that doesn’t have a corrupt side.”
My reply, 3 minutes later…
“The Salvation Army”
Your next post (at 5:59 pm) was several paragraphs about how I was wrong for suggesting that the Salvation Army is not corrupt. (You still haven’t shown that point, and collecting government funds does not a corrupt organization make, even if those figures you just claimed are true.)
You argued (as eloquently as your native stupidity would allow for) that the SA is, in fact, corrupt.
The evil bit was you setting up a straw man argument.
But now that you have been reminded that it was YOU who claimed that the Salvation Army was corrupt, don’t you think you owe them an apology?
Or are you that mature yet?
You guys are on me like gonorrhea on Pamela Anderson.
Hey, that’s not bad! Good one.
You MUST have some social supports.
Yes. A safety net, not a safety hammock.
If you want to get rid of the government, why not start with protective trade barriers?
WTF?
How do protective trade barriers help you get rid of government? Who do you think creates and enforces protective trade barriers?
I think you guys should write political speeches. There are two real gems mentioned on this page…
The weak are often weak by there own fault.
Why is it so hard for you lefties to believe that people can make bad decisions on their own to fuck up their own lives? Why do you insist on protecting them at the expense of those who make good decisions?
I’ll tell you what Captian_menace, I’ll go have sex with Pam Anderson, if you promise to pay for my anti-biotic and whatever other disease treatment I need. Ok?
Hey Cap’n, what did you doe with your Bush tax cut?
Drum,
You didn’t include the militant wing of the salvation army, they are corrupt as hell.
jf, I think he was talking about getting rid of the tariffs first (but was apparently not learned enough to know the word ‘tariff’)
You didn’t include the militant wing of the salvation army, they are corrupt as hell.
Yeah, those damn fundies!
OK, you got me. I guess I differentiate between being corrupt and having a corrupt side. I believe that every organization has a corrupt side, but I don’t believe that every organization is corrupt.
jf, you’re a real beauty.
Why do you insist on protecting them at the expense of those who make good decisions?
Look idiot, you may be eligible for social services. Clearly you have some sort of learning disorder.
I’m not saying to support morons that screwed up in life. I’m saying to support those who would die without support. Usually these are young children with serious medical conditions, and the elderly with serious medical conditions.
As far as trade barriers goes, my point is that right wing nut jobs like you generally love to talking about cutting government funded social systems but you cringe at the thought of removing government sanctioned trade barriers.
As for Pam Anderson… good luck, and make sure to send me the video!
As far as trade barriers goes, my point is that right wing nut jobs like you generally love to talking about cutting government funded social systems but you cringe at the thought of removing government sanctioned trade barriers.
Are you just making things up now?
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As far as trade barriers goes, my point is that right wing nut jobs like you generally love to talking about cutting government funded social systems but you cringe at the thought of removing government sanctioned trade barriers.
This individual definitely hasn’t been around here for very long.
cutting government funded social systems
Tell me about it! I just want those poor, weak people to die! DIE I SAY! I can’t stand my taxes being spent on them! UGH! It’s horrible! It’s a nightmare!
even if those figures you just claimed are true
Yep, I hijacked the Salvation Army’s website just so I could prove that they collect dollars from our “corrupt” social system. I think you must fall into the category “too lazy to click”.
and collecting government funds does not a corrupt organization make
I agree, and my original point is that Janice Rogers Brown’s statement “insatiable maw of socialism” is too general. You could say that about anything.
How about this… “the insatiable maw of professional athletes”?
Or this one… “the insatiable maw of political parties”?
Jeez man, stop debating your wanky, and start thinking about what you are actually typing.
Heh, always fun to read the rants of the right-wingers when it comes to social services. Which we need. A safety net is important, and separates us from savagery. Most hard-core righties seem to just want to live by the law of the jungle, forgetting that there is always someone bigger and stronger than you.
For all the love of capitalism on sites like this, nobody ever seems to recognize the real problem, which is extremism on behalf of one form of government. Extreme capitalism leads to just as much human misery as extreme socialism or an extreme version of any other form of government.
But what’s really, really funny is that the primary problems that require social safety nets are in middle America and the South, in states that went for Bush. The primary recipients of social aid using our tax dollars are in those deep red states where all the people who yammer about the bleeding-heart liberals happen to live.
Highest poverty rates: red states.
Highest teen pregnancy rates: red states
Highest divorce rates: red states.
Main recipient of government funds on a dollar received vs. tax dollar paid in basis: red states.
Those big bad independent Bush states are the poor welfare states of the nations, propped up by the economies of the blue states, with all their social programs, liberals, intellectuals, homosexuals, and all the other labels that ignorant right-wing losers love to hate so much.
Highest murder rates: red states
I suspect if we measured the level of alcohol and drug abuse, and the costs of health problems due to them, we’d find the red states have the market cornered on that too.
Ah, right-winger ignorance, I love it.
So when are the right-wing bloggers going to start calling for their readers to enlist? Recruitment is way down...don’t you all think it’s becoming your patriotic duty to at least issue a little call for people who support Bush’s war to sign up? Shouting about a war is all well and good, I suppose, if that’s what you’re into, but there comes a time when you gotta be willing to do more than just that…
Detroit (blue) vs. Grand Rapids (red) in regard to social programs is a joke there Billy4. Unemployment is higher in Detroit also. What is the motivation to work when Uncle Sam will give you cash? None.
Teaching your kids that you can stay home and collect welfare instead of working is another great social program, don’t you think?
This individual definitely hasn’t been around here for very long.
Very true. Please bring me up to speed on the extreme right’s view on trade barriers please.
Extreme capitalism
rofl
Socialism is an Ideology. Capitalism is a System.
When we advocate NO govenment, then you can call us of the extreme right.
ok?
How about this… “the insatiable maw of professional athletes”?
So tell us WHO is forcing you to pay for their salaries?
Please bring me up to speed on the extreme right’s view on trade barriers please.
Oh, now it’s the “extreme right”. Who says the proprietor of this blog is a member of the extreme right? Or the commenter you were replying to? For someone who complained about generalizations, you seem to be prone to them yourself.
Captain_menece,
Now you opened the can of worms by being a fucking idiot. Most economists (damn near all) and most conservatives support removing trade barriers to allow for the most efficient and distribution of goods. Some economist support trade barriers during industry reconstruction. I’d like to have the government get out of the tariff business. So don’t put words in my mouth dumbass. It’s politicians who put up barriers because they are buying votes from socialist organizations like unions. And yes, sadly I concede that some corporations do like them when it favours them (ie steel and logging industry). But on the whole, most CEOs don’t want trade barriers because they know it’s ultimately bad for the economy and therefore bad for business (ie Dell).
I’m not saying to support morons that screwed up in life. I’m saying to support those who would die without support. Usually these are young children with serious medical conditions, and the elderly with serious medical conditions.
Why don’t learn to fucking read. In my earlier post, I omitted people that were disadvantage by fate and not choice. I also mentioned how charitable organizations can take care of them. Billions of dollars are spent each year on charity by free people, not governments enforcing it. And charity would be more efficient if it was voluntary. Governments can assist with tax breaks. What I’d said if you were smart enough to understand it is that many people are disadvantaged by choice. Sure, no one wakes up in the morning and says the want to be a bum, but they end up being bums through many bad choices they don’t have to make. Yes, I have no compassion for welfare bums, drug addicts, alcoholics and other losers who are too fucking weak to take care of themselves. I know this hurts your feelings.
I work everyday and go to school to better myself. I quit smoking, started eating healthy and exercising. I’ve had my experiences with drugs, and alcohol and got involved with the culture for a short while. I saw what fucking losers they all were and they didn’t have to be that way, they did it by choice. I chose the opposite. I am sick of having to pay for their rehab programs, unemployment insurance, welfare, community centers.
Again, I made good choices, why should I have to pay for a bum that doesn’t?
I like her because she believes in limited government. How many people in GOVERNMENT really believe in that these days?
Oh man, the troll magnet is definitely set on high tonight.
Detroit (blue) vs. Grand Rapids (red) in regard to social programs is a joke there Billy4. Unemployment is higher in Detroit also. What is the motivation to work when Uncle Sam will give you cash? None.
Look at it on a statewide level, spread nationally. Naming one city that has had a ton of problems for a variety of reasons isn’t exactly much of a point.
Most of the red states, where your ideology is king, would probably collapse without government support...whereas most of the blue states, with our evvvil social programs and liberal ideas, could do just fine on their own.
Red states, like Bush voters, are holding America back. Hard to say whose fault it is, or why you’re so fucked up...it’s a national shame, I suppose, that you’re all so backwards.
Socialism is an Ideology. Capitalism is a System.
You’re so frickin smart Poosh. I think I want to name my next terd after you.
If you had taken more than two seconds to form your moronic response you might have considered that extreme capitalism could take the form of a single person or entity controlling all of the capital resources available.
... Or ...
You could have simply tried to look smart (and failed) by providing us all with a 2nd grade definition of socialism and capitalism.
So when are the right-wing bloggers going to start calling for their readers to enlist?
So… Churchill was wrong to declare war on Nazi Germany when they invaded Poland because, according to you and your brilliant logic, he wasn’t currently serving in the armed forces? Churchill shouting about war is all well and good I suppose, all those “fight them on the beaches” rants and what not but there comes a time when you have to do more than just that…
Socialism is an Ideology. Capitalism is a System.
They are both ideologies, and they are both systems. And they are both harsh and unforgiving if taken to extremes.
If you had taken more than two seconds to form your moronic response you might have considered that extreme capitalism could take the form of a single person or entity controlling all of the capital resources available.
Dumbass, capitalism as the father of capitalism (Adam Smith) pointed out, only works when there are many businesses in competition. Oh yeah, and no trade barriers.
Oh I’m sorry. It’s just it didn’t feel right MAKING DEFINITIONS UP.
Highest murder rates: red states
Yeah. Like the rotating “Murder capital, USA” title keeps revolving around those Republican strongholds like Wahington, DC (voting D 89%-9%), New York City (with NY voting D 58%-40%), Chicago (with IL voting D 55%-44%), and Los Angeles (CA voting D 54%-44%).
Poverty rates, such as DC’s 1 person in 6 under the poverty level, and Illinois’ 1 in 9 and New York’s 1 in 7.
Teen pregnancy by state, such as DC’s having the nation’s highest rate, with 1 teenaged girl in 8 getting pregnant at least once.
Do you even bother to look stuff up before opening your piehole?
Oh, yeah, that left-wing coward…
He’s reading last week’s talking points e-mail.
Man, I’d love to help make the Cap’n walk the plank but I gots chi’ren to raise. I’ll be back later if the libtards haven’t run away.
Oh ya, if you two dumbasses think this site represents the extreme right then you haven’t got a clue.
Thanks for the clarification jf
You…
Yes, I have no compassion for welfare bums, drug addicts, alcoholics and other losers who are too fucking weak to take care of themselves. I know this hurts your feelings.
Nope it doesn’t hurt my feelings, if you had read my post you would know this.
I’m not saying to support morons that screwed up in life.
You
Most economists (damn near all) and most conservatives support removing trade barriers to allow for the most efficient and distribution of goods.
I’m glad you’re Econ 101 professor is doing his job. The reality is that economists are bought and paid for. They apply whatever mathematical algorithm provides the economic output that their masters desire. I’m glad you’re still in school. Economics is a “social” science. It is not a “science” science. The economists I have met (in the telecom field) spend their careers debating other economists in court trying to disprove the other. It is far from a science.
And yes, sadly I concede that some corporations do like them when it favours them (ie steel and logging industry).
I’m so happy that we agree on a single point, although I think you are incredibly blinded to the political will of corporations. ANY corporation approves of barriers when it favors them. To not do so would be in violation of their fiduciary obligation to their shareholders.
And charity would be more efficient if it was voluntary.
I’m so glad that you are trained in classical economics. You can explain to me exactly how you came to this conclusion.
In my earlier post, I omitted people that were disadvantage by fate and not choice. I also mentioned how charitable organizations can take care of them.
You have no idea of the kinds of resources it would take to pay for people who have real medical needs. Why don’t you visit the CMS (Medicaid and Medicare services) website and do a little research before you start spouting off like Albert f*cking Einstein.
And the handle is menace, not menece.
And the handle is menace, not menece.
So clearly you’ve lost the argument.
And the handle is menace, not menece.
Chill out, Cap’n Minus.
You MUST have some social supports. Otherwise you must be willing to see (and have your children see) people dying in the streets. I am not willing to live in a society like that. I would rather pay SOME taxes to help.
I’m saying to support those who would die without support. Usually these are young children with serious medical conditions, and the elderly with serious medical conditions.
Really? Well then how about you and all liked minded individuals set up a fund to help those you think need it. If YOU are not willing to live in such a society, then YOU take care of it yourself. The problem is that most people who suggest such programs to help want to take it out of someone else’s pocket. Oh sure, you are willing to pay a little. But how much? When that little isn’t enough and they want more, what do you think the first thing will be shouted?
EAT THE RICH!
Oh, I’m sorry, I was supposed to say TAX the rich, right? Same difference. Why the rich? “They have more. They are stronger, better, richer. They can give more than we can. Take from them.” Cannibals.
And for all this talk about wanting to help people, you certainly don’t seem to like people. If you did, you’d have more faith in their ability. But the problem is, you don’t. You look at people as a whole as the lowest common denominator. People NEED help. YOU need help. Its the same argument against privatizing social security. “What if people make poor decisions w/ their money? Then they won’t have as much as they need.” Instead of believing that they will succeed, they doom themselves to failure because they have no faith in themselves. They believe that someone else must make the decisions for them. It takes the risk and fear out of their lives. And when they make no decisions, they can be held responsible for nothing. If it falls through, then its someone else’s fault. Someone else’s fault for not helping you, even though you were unwilling to make the decision to help your damned self!
William, fyi the state by state breakdown for charitable giving is here.
Funny how liberals are the ones who complain the loudest about how “cheap” the US is about giving to those less fortunate.
Yeah. Like the rotating “Murder capital, USA” title keeps revolving around those Republican strongholds like Wahington, DC (voting D 89%-9%), New York City (with NY voting D 58%-40%), Chicago (with IL voting D 55%-44%), and Los Angeles (CA voting D 54%-44%).
I’m glad to see your reading abilities are still next-to-nil…
My post was about states. And Wash. DC isn’t a state. I’m talking about large entities...the kind with electoral votes that decide our elections (and yes, I know DC has electoral votes.)
Point is, on a state-by-state basis, the biggest recipients of federal aid are red states. The states with the biggest endemic problems are also red states. And personally...I think that one of the reasons we hear so much moral BS out of these places is because they are living in such backwards conditions that they look around and see nothing but problems. THEIR PROBLEMS.
For Poosh: the problem with being too in love with capitalism for its own sake is that it doesn’t result in a nice country with a lot of little successful businesses, like right-wingers like to imagine. It results in corporate rule, which is where we are now heading.
I like to think about how most of right-wing America would be sitting in the dark if it weren’t for liberal ideas...rural electrification, for example...because capitalism would leave them hanging, because it just doesn’t make economic sense to run wires in areas with a low population spread out over a large area. Ditto telephones.
Many of the voters that went for Bush this last time wouldn’t have been able to watch their Fox News if it weren’t for some liberals way back when.
It seems to me that most Britons fought in WWII, whether they supported the war or not, because it was necessary for their survival. Yet here in America, right-wingers are NOT calling for their audiences to enlist...I guess they just don’t support the troops. Gotta have more than a silly yellow sticker on your SUV, ya know.
Why don’t you visit the CMS (Medicaid and Medicare services) website and do a little research before you start spouting off like Albert f*cking Einstein.
Dumbass I don’t have to be an economist or college 101 student to understand good economics. I get my sources from other places too. And yes, anyone can make these things up and purchase any mouthpiece. You couldn’t argue my point so you just attacked me and economists.
How about some real life experience. I don’t know anything about Medicaid because I am in Canada. I do know that the government controls almost all health care in Canada and frequency uses that as a political tool. As I mentioned earlier, whenever you give up a little of your freedom for security, you let someone else control you.
You answer me this:
Which is better, to have profiteering capitalists manage your health needs and other social services, or vote hungry politicians?
I’d sooner take my chances with the capitalists. Profit motive is easier to understand and work around than political motives. Also, when capitalists offer services, the government can still control the capitalists. When the government controls services, no one controls them. It’s called checks and balances. (Learned that in ECON 101 too)
And the handle is menace, not menece.
And I should care because…..?
Many of the voters that went for Bush this last time wouldn’t have been able to watch their Fox News if it weren’t for some liberals way back when.
So, uh, liberals gave us eyes?
William, fyi the state by state breakdown for charitable giving is here.
Funny how liberals are the ones who complain the loudest about how “cheap” the US is about giving to those less fortunate.
Thanks. It’s good to know that those states that have such huge problems are at least willing to give to charity to support those less fortunate.
It also illustrates that charity alone is clearly not enough, or else states like Mississippi, Alabama, etc. wouldn’t be so fucked up, so poor, and have such huge social problems. If the right-wing idea of charity-alone worked, they wouldn’t be such disasters, they’d be functioning entities.
In most blue states, we pay higher state taxes, which covers social programs. Is it a perfect system? Of course not...what system is? But it allows aid to be doled out fairly. One of the reasons conservatives like the idea of charity-only is because it allows them to discriminate or force a Bible lesson on those in need.
I’m glad red states seem to have a high level of giving...they clearly need all the help they can get because they are so backward.
EMalachi
Oh, I’m sorry, I was supposed to say TAX the rich, right? Same difference. Why the rich? “They have more. They are stronger, better, richer. They can give more than we can. Take from them.” Cannibals.
My suggestion is not to tax anyone at a higher level. My suggestion is to impose the death penalty on CEO’s of corporations that provide health/social services and are committing fraud against the US social service system.
We have a fundamental difference of opinion here. You seem to think that it is all the little “welfare” guys that are driving up the costs of our health care.
I think it is the fraudulent activities of large well-organized corporate machines that hire ex-government officials that are driving up our costs. These are not mom and pop shops and they are not grannies getting a few extra hundred bucks on their social security checks.
I’m talking about large organizations participating in fraudulent billing schemes which are very hard to detect. The rich can keep their money as long as they are not getting rich on the back of our social system.
lol love your loving liberal ways. Keep it up and you shall surely not have anyone in the White House for many years to come. :)
You sir are completely fucking insane.....
I meant Captain Menace anbd his idea of killing CEOS. I have yet to figure out how captions work on this forum.....
I meant Billy4. His all inclusive liberalism is heart-warming.
Point is, on a state-by-state basis, the biggest recipients of federal aid are red states. The states with the biggest endemic problems are also red states.
Not true until you prove it, Billy-boy…
Back up thy bullshit or begone, buffoon!
My post was about states.
Oh, so it’s murders by state you want…
Well, California is a “blue State”, and their murder rate is 20% above the national average. Illinois is also a blue State (although only because of Chicago - most of the downstate is pure red state), and its murder rate is even higher.
But you’re not looking for facts here, you just want data that conforms with your world view, so let’s see a deep red state, say Wyoming (voted R 68-29%). It’s murder rate is less than half of the national average. Nebraska is 35% below the average.
Lemme ask you sumthin’… Don’t you get tired of always being wrong?
lol love your loving liberal ways. Keep it up and you shall surely not have anyone in the White House for many years to come. :)
Probably won’t anyway. Corporations controlled by Republicans control the voting machines, and our elections are full of fraud and corruption.
Which liberal ways are those? Big government? Bush has expanded government much more than Clinton. Fiscal responsibility? Republicans are throwing everything on the national credit card, and the deficit has exploded. I hear little from the right about how China controls a huge chunk of our debt.
All the things conservatives used to stand for are now better represented by the minority party...where have you been the past four years?
Red states, like Bush voters, are holding America back.
Someone ought to direct ‘ol Billy4 to the leading US economic indicators for the last 4 years…
Illinois is also a blue State (although only because of Chicago - most of the downstate is pure red state), and its murder rate is even higher.
Don’t worry: Only Chicago’s murder rate is so high. Probably has something to do with the Colombian heroin ring the feds just broke up in the city water department.
And 90% of convicted felons in states where they’re allowed to vote, vote Democrat.
Don’t forget Washington, D.C.’s murder rate, btw. It’s great how they’ve solved all their endemic problems.
And I should care because…..?
Clearly you should care because you are Canadian, and you like drinking beer and watching hockey!
Look, there are no economics for this. It is plain and simple.
Corporations and the government work together to soak us. It’s the same old story. You get appointed as Commissioner of Health and Human Services. You write up some great regulations. Then you go to work for Private Health Incorporated and play the government health care system. It’s not rocket science.
I’m suggesting we impose the death penalty on these individuals.
I wish I had your faith in corporations. They have one clear duty. That is to make a profit. If they happen to have some higher moral obligation great, but that is not their real business.
And to answer your question, I would rather have politicians answering for my health care. At least I can vote them out. I don’t trust the free market to satisfy every social need.
Republicans control the voting machines
Oh yeah, love this one. Tell us more.
where have you been the past four years?
Celebrating! And laughing at your party’s keen sense of not taking responsibility for it’s failures by instead coming up with fantastic stories of conspiracy and BFEE and such.
It’s very entertaining. Thank you.
And to answer your question, I would rather have politicians answering for my health care. At least I can vote them out. I don’t trust the free market to satisfy every social need.
You can vote them out, but the laws stay the same. I hate to tell you this, but if you don’t like your doctor or insurance provider or private clinic, you can just get up and go to another one.
you can just get up and go to another one
If you have money $$$
Welcome to the conversation.
And how do you get money $$$?
By actually finding a job!
It’s amazing how often the simple solutions will elude us.
I think I just found a woman who I’d do just about anything to see become the first black woman elected as a President.
And how do you get money $$$?
By actually finding a job!
It’s amazing how often the simple solutions will elude us.
And it is amazing that you continually miss the point. I am talking specifically about health care for AND DON’T MISS THIS…
children with serious medical conditions
and the
elderly with serious medical conditions
These two very vulnerable groups are not likely to be able to get jobs. They may or may not have family that can support them, and they are both likely to die without medical support.
While I can’t say that I think the death penalty is justified, I understand captain_menace’s anger at corporations. According to Cato, they get $100B a year in pork barrel spending. Just think guys. If Bush wasn’t such a big spender, we could have had $500B of the national debt paid off which would have really stimulated our economy because… smaller debt = smaller interest payments -> smaller amount of tax revenues needed.
Of course applying the death penalty to corrupt government officials would be a hell of a lot of fun to watch… too bad everyone from Daschole to Pelosi to Justice Stevens to Cheney would be buying property in non-extradition countries…
Not true until you prove it, Billy-boy…
Sure. Check out this site for starters: peskyfacts
I don’t have time today to dig back further into the research and stats, though I’ve done it before. If you are really curious, perhaps you can take the time to do so, seeing as how you aren’t out knocking on doors of friends and relatives to get them to enlist for the war effort. That site has sources and links to them if you want to take the time.
Here is a sample, though:
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Public Education Expenditures—All 10 of the 10 states spending the least per capita on public elementary and secondary education are Red States. 7 of the 10 states spending the most per capita on public elementary and secondary education are Blue States.
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Toxic Chemicals—All 10 of the 10 states releasing the most pounds of toxic chemicals into the environment per capita are Red States. 7 of the 10 states releasing the fewest pounds of toxic chemicals into the environment per capita are Blue States.
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Red States and Blue States - There were 31 Red States in the 2004 election, and 19 Blue States.
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Births to Single Moms—9 of the 10 states with the highest rates of birth to single mothers are Red States. 4 of the 10 states with the lowest rates of birth to single mothers are Blue States.
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Births to Teen Moms—All 10 of the 10 states with the highest rates of teen pregnancy are Red States. 9 of the 10 states with the lowest rates of teen pregnancy are Blue States.
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Child Abuse. 8 of the 10 states with the highest reported incidence of child abuse are Red States. 4 of the 10 states with the lowest reported incidence of child abuse are Blue States.
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College and Advanced Education—All 10 of the 10 states with the lowest percentages of citizens with college and/or advanced degrees are Red States. 8 of the 10 states with the highest percentages of citizens with college and/or advanced degrees are Blue States.
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Divorce—All 10 of the 10 states with the highest rates of divorce are Red States. 7 of the 11 states with the lowest rates of divorce are Blue States (there is a statistical tie in the 7th spot among 5 states). (lowest divorce rate: Massachusetts)
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Execution of Minor Offenders—Only 6 states, all Red States, have executed a person for an offense committed while a minor since 1990. The only other countries where such executions have occurred since 1990 are China, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
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Federal Money Consumed— 8 of the 10 states consuming the highest per capita amounts of federal funds are Red States. 6 of the 10 states consuming the lowest per capita amounts of federal funds are Blue States.
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Federal Taxes Paid—9 of the 10 states paying the lowest per capita amounts of federal income taxes are Red States. 7 of the 10 states paying the highest per capita amounts of federal income taxes are Blue States.
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Infant Mortality 2001—9 of the 10 states with the highest rates of infant mortality are Red States. 8 of the 12 states with the lowest infant mortality rates are Blue States (there is a statistical tie in the 10th spot among 3 states).
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Suicide—8 of the 10 states with the highest rates of suicide are Red States. 9 of the 10 states with the lowest rates of suicide are Blue States.
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Uninsured Children—9 of the 10 states with the largest proportion of children without health insurance coverage are Red States. 7 of the 10 states with the smallest proportion of uninsured children are Blue States.
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Uninsured Population—10 of the 11 states with the largest proportion of citizens without health insurance coverage are Red States (there is a statistical tie in the 10th spot between 2 states). 7 of the 10 states with the smallest proportion of uninsured citizens are Blue States.
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Violent Crime—7 of the 10 states with the highest rates of violent crime are Red States. 4 of the 10 states with the lowest rates of violent crime are Blue States.
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To some extent, this whole red state/blue state thing is a joke, because most of the states are some shade of purple. But I like to tease. Because the right-wing ideology is such a failure in their own back yard, both socially and economically.
Oh, but I forgot...the real problem in this country is gay people and liberal movies. God, how could I forget that? Right-wingers...just living in an unreal world…
would be buying property in non-extradition countries…
No need… they already own these countries. The World Bank has bought and paid for them.
Just a quick point and then it is off to Vegas for my bachelor party:
William, is the reason you are bound and determined to look at social issues on a state by state basis becasue if you look at it any closer then your whole hypothesis goes down the tubes? The fact that the districts in those states that are not suffering from the problems you describe are the districts that vote for Republicans does do damage to your hypothesis. The high poverty rates being concentrated in blue districts, the high crime rates being concentrated in blue districts, the high teen pregnancy rates being concentrated in blue districts, the high murder rates being concentrated in blue districts ... it all kind of shows you who fits your quote:
it’s a national shame, I suppose, that you’re all so backwards
Also:
If there are any grown ups on this board that would like to pick another organization that would be good.
jf, you’re a real beauty.
Look idiot, you may be eligible for social services. Clearly you have some sort of learning disorder.
Jeez man, stop debating your wanky, and start thinking about what you are actually typing.
Ah, right-winger ignorance, I love it.
Red states, like Bush voters, are holding America back. Hard to say whose fault it is, or why you’re so fucked up...it’s a national shame, I suppose, that you’re all so backwards.
I’m glad to see your reading abilities are still next-to-nil…
I’m glad red states seem to have a high level of giving...they clearly need all the help they can get because they are so backward.
Ah the sensitivity of the liberal point of view. They are truly the most tolerant people there are - as long as you tow the line and agree with them.
And finally, do you guys ever back up your claims with facts (like Drumwaster did above), or do you just expect us to believe every word you say (because a liberal would never lie, would they?).
Red States and Blue States - There were 31 Red States in the 2004 election, and 19 Blue States.
=D
They may or may not have family that can support them, and they are both likely to die without medical support.
As was pointed out above, why not kick in some money and get some friends (assuming you have any) to kick in a few bucks and then go save a few of those people?
Is it all about how you “care more than those heartless conservatives”? Because emotional arguments using hypothetical situations don’t fly in the real world. ("What About The Children (TM)?")
In case you missed it, many of those are already covered. If they aren’t, it isn’t for a lack of availability.
But now it’s Put Up Or Shut Up Time for Cap’n Minus.
Prove that one of those types of individuals 1) actually exists and, 2) is uninsured with absolutely no other options than to vote Justice Brown back off the Appeals Court.
Best of luck.
Look at this!
She is against criminal rights. How dare she!!!
Ah the sensitivity of the liberal point of view. They are truly the most tolerant people there are - as long as you tow the line and agree with them.
And finally, do you guys ever back up your claims with facts (like Drumwaster did above), or do you just expect us to believe every word you say (because a liberal would never lie, would they?).
I never claimed to be sensitive or a liberal. Idiot. My condolences to your fiance.
If caring about people in REAL need makes me a liberal then call me whatever your sleezy little heart desires. Just don’t call me when you’re bed-ridden and need someone to wipe your arse.
And as for liberals lying to you… you sound like a man that may have been hurt in the past. Would you like to tell us all about your bad experience. We promise not to make fun of you.
Browsed around that “pesky facts”. Nowhere on that site to they give a source for where they got there numbers. There are no external links to other poetential sources of information. And a quick Google search for sources have all lead back to “pesky facts” as the originator of those arguments
You fail it
While those statistics from peskyfacts do make a point, that point could be significantly reduced if we knew the actual numbers. Plus, they don’t mention whether the highest for each statistic is either a blue state or a red state, something which I think is very important.
("What About The Children (TM)?")
I was going to say that earlier but more like:
what about the chilllldreeennn???
We promise not to make fun of you.
I make no such promise!
So when are the right-wing bloggers going to start calling for their readers to enlist? Recruitment is way down...don’t you all think it’s becoming your patriotic duty to at least issue a little call for people who support Bush’s war to sign up? Shouting about a war is all well and good, I suppose, if that’s what you’re into, but there comes a time when you gotta be willing to do more than just that…
*Sigh* Way down, my foot. Please stop with inflating the numbers.
Read this..that is if you are not too lazy
Also, along with the certainly valid argument regarding blue districts, the mere fact that there were more red states than blue states in the last election unfairly slants the stats in the same way that a majority of democrats in a single poll would invalidate the poll’s claim that most people oppose private accounts in social security.
I’m sorry that your grammar teacher isn’t doing her job.I’m glad you’re Econ 101 professor is doing his job
Point is, on a state-by-state basis, the biggest recipients of federal aid are red states. The states with the biggest endemic problems are also red states.
Actually, per capita spending, not overall spending, is higher in many red states than in blue states. This is due largely to highway funds, military spending, and agricultural spending. Do you like to eat? Do you like receiving goods from across the country? Do you like having a military protecting you? You see, although the dollars are coming here to “flyover country”, they also largely benefit the ungrateful blue staters.
I wish I had your faith in corporations. They have one clear duty. That is to make a profit. If they happen to have some higher moral obligation great, but that is not their real business.
Actually, the primary goal of a corporation is to maximize stockholders’ wealth, which is very different from maximizing profit.
I’m glad red states seem to have a high level of giving...they clearly need all the help they can get because they are so backward.
It’s the people in the state that are giving. For example, I live in one of those backwards states and the university that I work for is the recipient of one of the largest endowments in the history of the world. The total giving campaign that will end June 30th will easily reach $1 billion. But hey, all that giving is to teach Pa not to knock up his kids.
And charity would be more efficient if it was voluntary.
I’m so glad that you are trained in classical economics. You can explain to me exactly how you came to this conclusion.
I am trained in classical (in the Austrian sense) economics as well as Keynesian economics. Charity is more efficient if it is voluntary as “compulsary” charity creates a situation in which crises are created to spend any and all money available. The massive beauracracy that has been set up to distribute funds creates a great deal of informational asymmetry between the “donor” and the recipient agencies. This leads to both an informationally inefficient ("charitable" dollars are not going to their best use) and economically inefficient (there are large transaction costs associated with supporting the beauracracy) system.
One last point: If you are new here, do not f*ck with Drumwaster, he will kick your ass.
And charity would be more efficient if it was voluntary.
I’m so glad that you are trained in classical economics. You can explain to me exactly how you came to this conclusion.
Not to get involved in the whole debate, but aren’t both of these kind of strange statements? I mean, if it’s not voluntary, by definition it’s not charity.
Jeez Drumwaster, you’re not too sharp. I really don’t care at all about the good Ms. Brown. I simply pointed out that her statement is pretty general… “insatiable maw of socialism”. I also expressed that I think we need social services.
Every system becomes insatiable and desires more resources. So her statement is obvious. What she doesn’t address is how our society’s social needs will be addressed.
Prove that one of those types of individuals 1) actually exists and, 2) is uninsured with absolutely no other options than to vote Justice Brown back off the Appeals Court.
I’m only going to provide evidence from my home state of Alaska.
Our Division of Senior and Disability Services spends roughly $40 million (as of FY04) on Medicaid services for “Children with Complex Medical Conditions”, and “Older Alaskans”. These two groups are actually the names of Medicaid waivers. Do the research yourself. State of Alaska - Division of Senior and Disability Services.
I never said any conservatives don’t care, or that I’m better. And as I told peanut head (AKA Zinger) I don’t see myself as a liberal. I think you are an ill-informed right wing nut job. I don’t think you are truly conservative.
William4: Most, if not all of your statistics, are complete crap. They don’t account for differences in cost of living between red and blue states, they only look at the 10 extreme cases, not all states (what are they afraid to find?), and they don’t account for any other factors than red vs. blue.
a great deal of informational asymmetry between the “donor” and the recipient agencies.
Yes I agree, and you’re suggesting that individual donors will somehow overcome this informational gap to meet the needs of desperate Americans?
Actually, the primary goal of a corporation is to maximize stockholders’ wealth, which is very different from maximizing profit.
Thank you for clarifying that.
One last point: If you are new here, do not f*ck with Drumwaster, he will kick your ass.
You’re full of sh*t. Or you’re really trying to scratch his (her?) balls.
I think you are an ill-informed right wing nut job.
I’d advise you to politely apologize and run and hide.
Bush has expanded government much more than Clinton.
A lot of people here are pissed about that too. You would know that if you had taken the time to get the lay of the land before running you mouth.
Yes I agree, and you’re suggesting that individual donors will somehow overcome this informational gap to meet the needs of desperate Americans?
Yes. They live closer to these people and see their needs better than the liberals who live in Washington D.C.
I think you are an ill-informed right wing nut job. I don’t think you are truly conservative.
You have no fucking clue, do you? Not one. You couldn’t get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.
I never said any conservatives don’t care,
No, just that “right-wingers” don’t. Of course, you have carefully excluded yourself from all possible subsets of the whole, so as to maintain some kind of magisterial mien and appear “above the fray”. Unfortunately, you are not. (Just because you don’t understand the subject does not mean that you are above it.)
Chances are you are a disaffected wimp who thought to make some money in the oil fields only to (pretend to) “hurt your back”, and sit on unemployment and “public assistance” until you just got told to find a real job, and now you’re pissed at Unca Sugar for demanding you get off the teat.
So now you piss and moan and whine about how your health care costs are “free”, and try and impress people with info you gleaned from your latest editions of “Mother Earth”, in the letters to the editor column.
You want “free” health care? Move to Canada (if they would have you - hey, even the Canucks have SOME standards).
You wanna keep swapping insults? I’m game.
I warned you.
*pokes Drum in the eye* Pride before the fall!
Hey, Cap’n Minus, The Anti-Moron™ software on my PC went crazy when I started to read your post. If you’re going to say something that ignorant, you could at least fake a stroke. Reading your post makes blindness a wonderful thing to look forward to.
Every now and then you meet someone whose ignorance is encyclopedic. Maybe you wouldn’t come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you weren’t so dense that light bends around you.
If these red/blue state statistics are true (doubtful), could it possibly be because the 10 “worst” red states were blue for over 100 years until just recently? These totally screwed up states were controlled by Democrat forever. Maybe they’re only red now because they need the Republicans to come in and clean up the mess.
That would follow for some blue states too. CA and NY were pretty red for a long time. Maybe the Republicans did such a good job that all the freeloaders moved in and turned them blue? :)
LOL, Malachi.
Actually, the quote is “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16:18)
I think I frightened him.
That’s all right, he’ll run and get his Big Brother and “he’ll show me, he will {sniffle}”.
Moron comma wotta.
Damnit. I take one little nap and miss all this! I blame you, ‘Waster.
Well, I’ll remember to send you an e-mail notice the next time some ‘tard decides to piss me off…
Gmail accounts are big, but they’re hardly that big.
LOL Geez, you crack me up.
Yeah, they don’t call me a Professional Ranter for nothing. (I’m sure that’s not all they call me, either...)
LOL, Malachi.
Actually, the quote is “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.” (Proverbs 16:18)
I know. We had this discussion. ^.^`
Every now and then you meet someone whose ignorance is encyclopedic. Maybe you wouldn’t come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you weren’t so dense that light bends around you.
BAMM!!!! The best part of this whole thing is this guy thinks he’s whoopin everyone’s ass with his random statistic generator and low grade statements that, for him, double as well defined arguments.
I didn’t have to go to DU for a good laugh today, this joke came to us of his own free will.
Plus, there’s the rather glaring fact that government regulation and cronyism are often what causes corruption. We hardly have an ideal capitalist system. There have almost always been some government controls. In spite of that, this country is by far the richest on the planet, whose poorest citizens often give to charity, has done more to elevate the standard of living than any other country in human history and has more often than not lead the world in spreading freedom and individual rights. You see, free countries with stable governments that don’t oppress their citizens are actually very good for free market economies. Let’s compare our often mixed economy and standard of living with say, any number of collectivist failures that left piles of bodies in their wake.
Svandals, you have GOT to stop trying to wave the ‘tards off when they start stepping on Drum’s toes. Please, as a friend, don’t do it. You ruin some of the best fun I have all week when you tell the native about the lion crouched in the brush, tail whipping back and forth, claws gouging the earth as it prepares to spring…
Oh, sorry.
Carry on, everyone.
Miller, they never listen anyway {sigh}.
listen??!?
You don’t know me and I don’t know you. I’m not a liberal, you baboon. I simply want to see our old folks (many of whom are veterans), and kids being taken care of. If you had a single compassionate (and mature) bone in your body you would agree that taking care of our pioneering forefathers is worth the cost.
And I’m not suggesting that we raise taxes to do this you boob. I’m saying that we should impose much stiffer penalties on those big wigs that commit fraud. I think we could actually reduce social spending if we whacked a few white collar health care criminals. Why does this upset you so? Is your hand in the cookie jar you crank?
Chances are you are a disaffected wimp who thought to make some money in the oil fields only to (pretend to) “hurt your back”, and sit on unemployment and “public assistance” until you just got told to find a real job, and now you’re pissed at Unca Sugar for demanding you get off the teat.
That’s kinda funny, but not really. Nope, I’m not in the oil biz, although the oil does run this state. And nope, I haven’t hurt my back recently, although I did really screw it up a few years ago mountain biking. You’ll be happy to know that I’m not on public assistance.
I’m game for insults as well, but please put a little more thought into it. You seem to have a legendary status on this board, but I’ve yet to see why so many bow down to your silliness. Come on, impress me.
I’m not a liberal, you baboon.
Yeah, I’ve heard. You’re what YOU call a “real” conservative (hey, how’s that sugared porridge?), yet you are demanding taxes be taken just to pay off people who never bother to plan ahead and those who require extreme measures just to live long enough to pass on their deformities to the next generation.
Do you even understand what “conservative” means? You claim to, and then refute that assertion with your very next missive. I’m betting “no”, because your walk don’t match the talk. (Hell, even John Kerry claimed to be conservative. He also claimed to be a war hero, but that just goes to show ya...)
Come on, impress me.
You dimbulb, you wouldn’t understand it if we spelled it out in words of one syllable. You wouldn’t know the difference between Up and Down if we gave you three chances.
You show up, making bare-faced assertions that are almost exactly 180 degrees out of phase with reality, tossing out statistics from Alaska (that bastion of health care and sophistication) to prove your case for the whole nation. Have you ever lived in - scratch that, have you ever BEEN in any other States to see how they treat those unfortunates you demand tax money for? Here in California, I would be willing to bet that they spend more to take care of such people than the entire State of Alaska spends on health care for the whole gottdamned state, man, woman, child, and cripple. Yet you dare to judge others on the basis of your parochial limitations?
Maybe you missed it, but the whole world doesn’t revolve around your back yard. The shit you spew is just a little too far from the fields to serve as fertilizer, so for now, it remains nothing but shit. Why don’t you spend a little of that angry energy into actually cracking a book (something more advanced than “Heather Has Two Mommies” - there’re no pictures in there you want) before showing up and pretending to have knowledge of a subject you do not understand and cannot comprehend.
Run along, and come back when you are more worthy.
captian menace said
11% of $3 billion is roughly $330,000,000
Uh, 11% of 3 billion is EXACTLY 330,000,000 you tard.
After complaining about being insulted,
Classy! I haven’t been put down with a reference to my mother since I was 15.
The captain goes on to say things like
have you been beating your oompa loompa?
and
You guys are on me like gonorrhea on Pamela Anderson
If you want to throw around silly stupid insults, then you’ll just have to take them when they’re thrown in your direction.
Complaining that the Salvation Army does not satisfy his request for “an organization that doesn’t have a corrupt side,” he says
Yep, the Salvation Army is made up of 100% perfect people that care only for the betterment of their fellow man. From the top of the corporate ladder down to the guy counseling youth… these guys are squeaky clean (I mean their poop really don’t stink).
Which I will daringly interpret as sarcasm. If these are the perameters of your request, then I ask of you: aren’t you being unreasonable? There are organizations sans corruption, but EVERYONE’s poop stinks. I mean, duh.
I could go on and on pointing out the stupidity you’ve so amply displayed in this thread, but why bother? Aside from any actual facts or numbers or hard evidence or whatever you claim to be looking for, you’re simply a poor communicator without a leg to stand on. You’ve put the burden of proof on us because you can’t prove any of YOUR points. If we choose not to entertain you, then we must be hiding our ideaolgy’s wrongness from you, right? You, sir, are completely dismissible.
Captain.
Keep it up! There are simply too many people on here who spend all day trumpeting the same rubbish and not bothering to get their facts right. Careful though, when they’re cornered by evidence, they start with a couple of straw men arguments, and then pile on the abuse. It’s a sure sign they have no idea what they are talking about.
I don’t want to name names (initials will suffice), but Drumwaster is foremost among them.
Ooops, I let that slip, didn’t I?? Sorry Drumwaster, usually your secret is safe with me. I only mentioned once (or twice at most).
Three time at most.
There are simply too many people on here who spend all day trumpeting the same rubbish and not bothering to get their facts right.
On the other hand, there are those who come waltzing on to the site and don’t even bother to get their math right. I’m sorry, but I have little to no respect for people who can’t present themselves as intelligent. Captain’s done ok with his capitalization and puncuation, but past that, he has yet to impress me.
not bothering to get their facts right.
You wouldn’t know a fact if it shat in your best pair of shoes.
when they’re cornered by evidence,
How the fuck would YOU know? You’ve never bothered to actually supply so much as a single scrap of evidence in all your weeks here. Not once. Not ever.
usually your secret is safe with me.
You don’t know ANYthing about me, much less any secrets. I understand your overwhelming need to support like-minded morons (even though he claims that he isn’t a liberal), but talk about “damning with faint praise"…
How the fuck would YOU know? You’ve never bothered to actually supply so much as a single scrap of evidence in all your weeks here. Not once. Not ever.
See?
Night all.
Stogy, exactly what rubbish are you referring to? The party line? Nope, that can’t be it--as conservative as many of us are, I haven’t seen anyone, from Lee to Drum, to a dozen others, afraid to call Republican bullshit (illegal immigration, as a concrete example), bullshit just the same.
Or maybe it’s the rubbish we all fall in line with from the extreme Religious Right…
No, hold on, I’m pretty sure a lot of us, Christian or not, have spoke up about the wrongheadedness and stupidity of some people on that edge of the conservative view…
Hmmm. This is giving me trouble. Oh, wait! I know “rubbish” is a code-word! Right? Now just to figure out what it means in Stogy-land…
Oh, and facts. You mentioned facts. I don’t think that word means what you think it means, since in many cases here, you seem to have only the most tenuous grasp of them on a given topic, despite efforts by Drumwaster and others to give you a new perspective. You’re a provacateur, sure, and you seem to take some perverse delight in goading Drumwaster, but you’ve got to admit, he’s got facts in abundance. Lots of people here do, and from verifiable sources.
I would say “lookout behind you,” but I see the lion already sprung. Oh, and look, you’ve run away…
Darn.
he’s got facts in abundance. Lots of people here do, and from verifiable sources.
My comments on this particular thread earlier were intended to be humorous, but it seems you have taken them seriously, as usual. That would be my fault. Actually, I have nothing personally against Drumwaster. I simply respond to him in kind. I thought it was amusing that yesterday he abused me first, but it was only when I insulted him back that anyone actually noticed anything at all.
One standard for us, one standard for them, eh? I’m not bitter!
And no, I am not a provocateur - I only want you to hear the other side. I know full well your stand on all kinds of issues - many of them I agree with. Usually I only say stuff when someone says something that I think is wrong.
and then Drumwaster calls me a fucking idiot…
and then I waste three days proving him wrong.
My apologies if it was meant sarcastically or as a joke, Stogy. Without the generally ubiquitous
/sarcasm
:)
;)
or some other indicator, I’m afraid I don’t always catch it.
If you want Drum to ease up on you, you’re going to have answer his requests for proof/facts/details with a higher level of specificity and cite your sources, I guess.
As it is, I give you credit for withstanding the beatings as long as you have. Others haven’t lasted near as long.
I thought it was amusing that yesterday he abused me first, but it was only when I insulted him back that anyone actually noticed anything at all.
Possibly everyone has become accustomed to him browbeating you, as it happens so often? It’s like white noise to us. Of course, when you respond in kind, everyone gathers around to watch…
and then I waste three days proving him wrong.
You had me right up until those last three words.
Nice punchline, stoge. You actually made me laugh.
My comments on this particular thread earlier were intended to be humorous, but it seems you have taken them seriously, as usual.
Wrong. Nobody takes you seriously around here. You are just another in a long list of dimwitted libs whose only pupose on this site is to serve as virtual tacking dummies for guys like Drumwaster.
that was supposed to be tackling dummies.
..and then I waste three days proving him wrong.
You actually believe this?
No wonder he calls you what he does.
Posted by Littlewashu5 on 06/09 at 08:17 PM
Browsed around that “pesky facts”. Nowhere on that site to they give a source for where they got there numbers. There are no external links to other poetential sources of information. And a quick Google search for sources have all lead back to “pesky facts” as the originator of those arguments
Try a little harder. When I posted that, I was able to cruise around and find outside links. Anyway, that information is old news and not where I originally found it. I’m sure if you poke around the net some, you can find more about it. There are graphs showing where all fifty states are in each area, and other stuff like that. It’s out there, you just gotta look. Besides, since none of you are knocking on doors for the war effort, you have the time.
A few people have written about ‘districts’ as opposed to states. Without supplying any data of your own. However, I was not (and am not) writing about districts. Obviously, cities, red or blue, San Francisco or Houston, are going to have higher rates of crime and whatnot than areas with less people. That stands to reason, and has little to do with overall political demography as it does to do with the nature of a bunch of humans living in close proximity and the policies of the local municipal government. Those yammering about how ‘this blue city’ has a higher crime rate...yadda yadda yadda...are comparing apples to oranges.
Even so, I suspect that certain things, like teen pregnancy and overall poverty and whatnot, are probably still higher in trailer trash America than most cities.
The data is out there, if you look, though keep in mind my caveat that trying to separate red states from blue states this way is something of a diversion and joke, and not meant all that seriously.
So when are the right-wing bloggers going to start calling for their readers to enlist? Recruitment is way down...don’t you all think it’s becoming your patriotic duty to at least issue a little call for people who support Bush’s war to sign up? Shouting about a war is all well and good, I suppose, if that’s what you’re into, but there comes a time when you gotta be willing to do more than just that…
*Sigh* Way down, my foot. Please stop with inflating the numbers.
Read this..that is if you are not too lazy
Ha ha ha ha ha ha HAH HAH HA HA HA HA Ha
Yeah, I noticed that the Pentagon has started releasing recruitment numbers all together, because that way the bad numbers of the Army and Marines are somewhat covered up by the better numbers of the Air Force and Navy. Trust our DOD and government to be inventive about hiding the truth.
Of COURSE numbers for the Navy and Air Force are up....much less likely to get blown to bits in those forces....which doesn’t change the fact that recruiting is way down for the ground forces, because nobody wants to go to Iraq and get blown up for nothing.
If I were joining our military today I’d be going for the Navy or Air Force as well, for exactly the same reason.
Nice try, but the facts override you. Consider enlisting or telling your right-wing friends and relatives to enlist...recruitment is way down, and the Army and Marines need fresh cannon fodder...er...recruits. Go for it, man, serve your corporate leaders.
Even so, I suspect that certain things, like teen pregnancy and overall poverty and whatnot, are probably still higher in trailer trash America than most cities.
Even so, I suspect that your parents were actually brother and sister from parents who were also brother and sister, and so on and so on.
Because you have set the burden of proof at ‘zero’ for your allegations, I get to use the same standard. Isn’t making shit up fun? And oh so educational!
Nice try, but the facts override you.
You keep using that word. I do not think that it means what you think that it means…
My ‘allegations’ are just statistics. I throw the red state/blue state stats out there for fun. Obviously, each state is its own separate story, and there are a million factors at work in each case, so you would be wise to not take them too seriously.
In fact, I didn’t set the burden of proof at zero. Most of the stats from that site, and others like it, come from census figures or other governmental population statistics. If you’re curious, dig into the stats some more yourself.
I think the statistics themselves are accurate, since that’s just math. Interpreting what they mean is a different story.
However, one only has to drive through much of red state America to see a sad litany of dying towns and fading glory...and young people who grow up just itching to leave their hellhole towns for California or New York. I wonder why?
Despite your need to defend your right-wing point of view, in many cases, red state America consistently votes Republican out of ignorance or religious manipulation, or out of fear of brown people, terrorists in Indiana, or a whole host of other reasons that don’t have much to do with an informed citizenry choosing their leaders wisely. It’s a sad state of affairs.
No dumbshit, your “allegations” are not anything at all, until such a time as you can actually produce independently verifiable statistics to back it up. You cannot make bare claims that contradict reality with nothing to back it up. I have given you every opportunity to do so, yet you continually chicken out. Or can’t, which makes you a deliberate liar, rather than just a moron and a coward.
In fact, I didn’t set the burden of proof at zero.
You actually have to provide something for that bar to climb up from the subterranean chambers where you currently keep it.
Try providing proof for once. Hell, you might actually find that it doesn’t actually kill you.
in many cases, red state America consistently votes Republican out of ignorance or religious manipulation, or out of fear of brown people, terrorists in Indiana, or a whole host of other reasons that don’t have much to do with an informed citizenry choosing their leaders wisely. It’s a sad state of affairs.
Translation: “People that vote Republican just do it ‘cause they don’t know no better...”
Is that the only argument you got, smegma-breath? C’mon, at least make this ass-whoopin’ you’re getting be worth it for ONE of us…
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