if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained?"
-- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
El Bridgeo
by Lee
Once again we see racial politics at work in California.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is seldom upstaged, but it could happen Thursday when one of his chief legislative rivals flies south of the border to hold private meetings with Mexican President Vicente Fox.
Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez said he plans to make the trip—and miss one of the few legislative sessions remaining this year—in an attempt to repair relations with California’s largest trading partner. Schwarzenegger has been sharply criticized by Mexican media and politicians for supporting private border patrols to curb illegal immigration.
``The tension between the governor and the Mexican government began to boil after his comments about closing the border and supporting the Minutemen. Those things really cemented the idea that I needed to go to Mexico,’’ Núñez said. ``I grew up there, I lived there for eight years as a child and I speak the language fluently. I am the perfect person to build a bridge between Mexico and California.’’
Yeah, that’s exactly what we need. As if there isn’t enough illegals sneaking in already, this guy wants to build a fucking bridge to make it easy for them.
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Is this ass authorized to speak for the state of Culifornya?
On the bright side, the founder of the Minutemen, Jim Gilchrist (a local of my town, Aliso Viejo), is running for Chris Cox’s now-vacant House seat in our district.
I think Fabian Núñez is going to hit a home run on these immigration politics. He has called for California to announce a state of emergency like New Mexico and Arizona have. It’s kind of BS because the Democrats really want the flood of illegal Mexicans to continue because most of them vote Democrat. Nobody forgets that:
- Prop 187 that banned many services for illegals passed with 75% (Even though Dems accuse people of being Prop 187 supporters).
- 9 Emergency Rooms have closed in recent years in LA, because they are overflowing with illegals
- Everyone who has been to an ER sees the problem and gets really pissed off.
The first politician to figure out how to build a 1500 mile wall, without insulting the Mexicans in the US wins. There is so much unused rhetoric on this - like how NEW immigrants trash wages for EXISTING residents.
Mexicans actually assimilate into the US culture at the same rate as immigrants from other countries. The problem is we are getting 3.5 million of them a year. And that’s Too Much.
suvdriver -
I’ve actually read some very different data about the assimilation of Mexican immigrants (both legal and illegal). Mexican immigrants are part of a larger trend with almost all of Latin American immigrants in the respect (Cubans seem to be the lone group not following this trend, and some Nicaraguans as well).
The fact that the only predominant bilingual signage in this country is Spanish and English (as opposed to Polish and English, Mandarin and English, Russian and English, etc.) speaks volumes about the so-called “assimilation” of Mexicans and some other Latin American immigrants.
Thomas Sowell does a fine job illuminating why the “taboo” of speaking frankly about immigration is nonsense here.
It’s pathetic the way this country dances around this issue. Why is it that damn near every other ethnic or racial group can manage to come to this country legally, but Mexicans and some other Latin American countries cannot? And don’t give me this BS about how Hispanics do jobs Americans wouldn’t want.
Does anyone else think the picture in this story is doctored?
They did a good job with the shadow if so.
Of course Arnold wants to seperate himself from the private border patrol groups. His buddy George Bush called them vigilantes. If he wants to be a player in the Republican party, he can’t offend the koolaid drinkers and go against what Bush said.
Democrats really want the flood of illegal Mexicans to continue because most of them vote Democrat.
Since when can illegal immigrants vote? Is that really the case? news to me.
And don’t give me this BS about how Hispanics do jobs Americans wouldn’t want.
Is it really BS though? I know in the UK with have a lot of legal, and some illegal immigration of people from Eastern Europe who come over to do farming, especially fruit picking, in the summer. I have a friend whose father runs a strawberry farm who can’t for love or money get English people to work on the farm for pay above minimum wage. In fact, the number of strawberries he can pick is limited by the number of visases he can get for people from Eastern Europe to come over and work temporarily.
I read last week that one group of Eastern Europeans went on strike. Because they wanted more pay? no. Because they wanted better conditions? no. They went on strike because they want to be able to work more hours per day and work one of the weekend days as well! They get paid per amount they pick and they want to pick more.
Maybe there is no shortage of cheap US labour that wants to do this rather though job, especially in California where lots are needed, I don’t know. I know we need this cheap labour though.
The solution to the illegal immigration problem is simple, make legal immigration easier and heavily fine people who employ illegal immigrants. Like everything, you can’t stop supply if there is a high demand. If people demand illegal immigrants, they will come. You have to stop the demand by increasing the penalities on those who employ illegals. Simple economics. My guess is the current immigration polices where set by the same guy who started the War on drugs.
Since when can illegal immigrants vote? Is that really the case? news to me.
They can’t legally vote. But if they can get a good fake ID they can (and do) vote routinely. And the party which gives out more goodies in terms of social services is the Democrats, which is why they are so dead against tightening the border to keep out the illegals. Hispanics who came here legally, did it the right way, and are now established as resident aliens usually are strong, vocal proponents of immigration reform. They’re the ones who tend to vote Republican. They come here, follow the rules, work hard, build a successful life for themselves, and they don’t feel it fair that their hard work should then be used to subsidize the lifestyle of illegal aliens.
The constitution restricts foreign policy decisions to the president (chief diplomat and all) and the congress (ratifies treaties), and while I doubt anyone has ever been arrested/tried for violating that, this could still be the first.
``I grew up there, I lived there for eight years as a child and I speak the language fluently. I am the perfect person to build a bridge between Mexico and California.’’
So where do his loyalties lie? With the US or Mexico?
The wages of illegal residents has dropped in recent years due to the flood of new illegal immigrants. So when you spew the “Jobs America won’t Do” BS, you are really claiming illegals are doing jobs illegals won’t do.
Pushing this “punish the employers” stuff is a great political move. For one, even if they announce plans to crack down, this will always be more words than action. It’s tedios, and the companies and workers all have political connections. There will be a few high profile cases, but that’s it. Democrats and me all like the idea of slamming these bozos who attract all the workers. So if you secretly want to exacerbate the flood of illegals while coming across as some King of Compassion, support “Punish The Employers”.
What we need is a border wall which is not insulting. I suggest it be called the GUADALUPE WALL OF ENFRANCHISEMENT.
I wish Jim Gilchrist had run for office a while ago
They can’t legally vote. But if they can get a good fake ID they can (and do) vote routinely.
Don’t you have restrictions on voting, ie one person on the register can only vote once? Are you saying illegal immigrants find someone who is not goint to vote, steal their identity to go and vote a single time? Man thats some determination. Either your electoral checks are rediculously bad (so fix em) or this is, well, bullshit.
And the party which gives out more goodies in terms of social services is the Democrats, which is why they are so dead against tightening the border to keep out the illegals. Hispanics who came here legally, did it the right way, and are now established as resident aliens usually are strong, vocal proponents of immigration reform. They’re the ones who tend to vote Republican. They come here, follow the rules, work hard, build a successful life for themselves, and they don’t feel it fair that their hard work should then be used to subsidize the lifestyle of illegal aliens.
What benefits do illegal aliens get in relation to legal ones? It would seem almost the wrong way round, in that the illegal ones arn’t going to get as many benefits so have to actually work. I realise they don’t pay taxes which is clearly a problem.
But address the problem. You make a fair point, so make it a 3 step process:
1) Increase legal, documented immigration (temporary immigration as well)
2) Prison sentances for those that don’t make reasonable effort to check immigration status of their workers
3) Require proper identity for any government “handouts”. I am surprised this istn’t the case now. The only exception to that would be for life threatening emergancy healthcare and anything to do with children - some humanity please.
It is interesting all these “solutions” involve junk like “talking”, “doing something about”, and “putting employers in prison”. It’s just about everything under the sun except physically stopping them at the border. Everything is bullshit except walls and police physically ON THE BORDER.
The Mexican presidential election is kicking off soon in… Los Angeles. No Joke. I think these 3 Dems Nunez, Gov-AZ, and Gov-NM see the pending shitstorm on this, and that’s why things are budging. It was brilliant to broadside Gov Arnold on this - his only action has been to support the Minutemen. That has a chance being a disaster if a bad shooting accident happens.
In a recent poll, 40% of Mexicans said they want to move to the USA.
Is it really BS though? I know in the UK with have a lot of legal, and some illegal immigration of people from Eastern Europe who come over to do farming, especially fruit picking, in the summer. I have a friend whose father runs a strawberry farm who can’t for love or money get English people to work on the farm for pay above minimum wage.
When the choice is working hard in the fields picking strawberries, or sitting on your ass and being protected by the nanny gov’t.. guess which choice most people make.
I love the people that one second will say there are jobs that noone here (in the US) will do, and then turn around and bitch about the level of unemployment. Hello?
But if they can get a good fake ID they can (and do) vote routinely.
ID? I haven’t had anyone check photo ID for me in years when I voted. I just gave my name (and usually pointed it out on the sheet because I saw it first.. imaging just doing that) and signed my name.
I wish photo ID was required as it would probably help cut back on some illegal voting.
Speaking as the one in charge of my own voting precinct (here in Riverside County), I can tell you that we are forbidden from asking for any kind of photo ID, except in very uncommon instances. (e.g., first-time voter who mailed their registration card in). The precinct book will have that need explicitly mentioned next to the voter’s name.
No one has EVER given us grief over it.
Drum..
Yeah, I love that the same people that claim Bush stole the election, and that we need all kinds of voting trails, etc… are the first to fight ID stating it’s racist, bringing back Jim Crow laws, etc..
It is interesting all these “solutions” involve junk like “talking”, “doing something about”, and “putting employers in prison”. It’s just about everything under the sun except physically stopping them at the border. Everything is bullshit except walls and police physically ON THE BORDER.
Because physically stopping them at the border is never going to be that effective, not to mention the expense at doing so. Even if the huge amount of money necessary to stop them at the border is employed, that just increases the value of any that do get through it, not to mention it has zero affect on those that are already here.
Its really very very simple. If you want to stop something you have to target the DEMAND, not the SUPPLY. The war on drugs dosen’t work because its a war against supply not demand. All the war does it increase the cost of drugs which lets criminals get rich. The same applies to illegal immigration. If you want to stop it, stop the DEMAND - ie employees who pay for illegals to come. Those people are coming to earn money, if they know there is no chance of hell that they will get a job, they will not come. Its really very simple.
Drum, as someone with experience - do you find you get lots of illegal Mexicans attempting to do identity theft so they can vote in elections they are not allowed to?
Sort of surprised you don’t have some form of id check. In the elections I have voted in the UK you either needed the voter slip that was posted to you, or photo id. Simply impossible for the same person to vote twice as your name is ticked off. Is it really that complicated to get a fool proof voting system?
do you find you get lots of illegal Mexicans attempting to do identity theft so they can vote in elections they are not allowed to?
That’s what I was saying. There is no way for me to know if the person standing in front of me (who cannot speak English - but that’s okay because the machines are bilingual, too*) is a citizen or not, since I’m not allowed to ask for ID unless specifically ordered to do so under HAVA. One hopes that the warnings against perjury are sufficient enough to deter illegals from certifying “under oath” that they are citizens or naturalized, but there is no way to know. I DO know that all the Registrar needs is a California DL/ID, which means it’s up to the DMV to guarantee citizenship, assuming that it isn’t a fake ID in the first place.
And we all know how efficient the DMV is.
* - the voting machines in LA reportedly have up to seven languages available. We only have two.
Hey Drum, did you get that email I sent you the other day?
No, I haven’t gotten any mail in like two weeks. Wassup?
Never mind, I just sent you an e-mail. Check your box.
Drum: Thou hast mail.
No Drumwaster did not. All mail and email is sent to me first to check in case it contains a paper-bomb - on orders of the VRWC. Drumwaster is to valuable you see. Factbots don’t grow on trees you know…
He’s right. I got nuthin’…
Check your spam filter, my mail must be getting flagged.
That was the SECOND place I checked. I’ve used four different e-mail programs by now, and haven’t seen anything. Besides, you’re already on the Whitelist, and anything from either you or JimK would flow through unimpeded.
I may have to open up a new account or something…
Fuck it, email me your phone number, I’ll just call you.
Done, d00d
Why do I get the feeling this e-mail is porn…
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Also, has anyone heard of a right-wing hate campaign against Saint Cindy? I’ve been told there’s one but I’ve seen no evidence.
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As obnoxious as my comments are towards people of other countries coming here to leach of our success, I have no problem with letting everyone born in the USA vote. Actually I hope they have less of a problem voting as I had registering as a Republican in Santa Cruz County. When election time came around, my name was suspiciously left off the list and I was prevented from voting.
As obnoxious as my comments are towards people of other countries coming here to leach of our success, I have no problem with letting everyone born in the USA vote. Actually I hope they have less of a problem voting as I had registering as a Republican in Santa Cruz County. When election time came around, my name was suspiciously left off the list and I was prevented from voting.
When you say “leech,” I assume you only mean illegally?
I truly wish the best for legal immigrants and their children; they make the USA stronger. I have absolutely no problem with the legal portion of the 3.5 million Mexicans a year who run across the desert into the USA either.
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Sadly, Arnie’s lost his spine on this one. With Arizona and New Mexico taking drastic measures to curb the influx of illegals this would be the perfect time for him to step up, if he was willing to.
But at this point, he’s whipped. The unions beat him good and now he’s got to worry more about his job (I still can’t believe he has a lower approval rating than Bush at this point)