if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained?"
-- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
Armed and Hoserous
by Lee
Remember, folks. Only in gun-crazy America do kids have AK-47s in their room. Up in Canada, their draconian gun control laws are designed to make sure that that never happens.
The wall of silence that Toronto police usually run into when investigating weapons offences crumbled in an unexpected way Tuesday, when a mother turned in her son after finding a loaded assault rifle in his bedroom.
The woman turned the AK-47 over to police immediately after finding it. Her son, who was known to police, was not home at the time. The police searched the home for other weapons.
The 17-year old suspect was then arrested Tuesday evening when he returned home with a friend. Both were taken into custody without incident.
The suspect, who was known to police, was charged with 13 offences, including weapons charges and possession of cocaine. He was also charged with failure to comply with the Youth Criminal Justice Act, after being placed on a one-year probation in 2005 on another weapons charge, according to police sources.
Okay, so obviously the kid has a fascination with guns. (Perhaps his father was American.) Doesn’t this just show the futility of gun control as a means of preventing gun crime? I mean, if a kid who wants an AK-47 can get ahold of one, why would anyone think that a professional criminal, whose livelihood depends on being armed, would be any different? Note the following, found at the end of the article.
Meanwhile, in Toronto Wednesday, police raided an apartment and seized a number of weapons, including a grenade launcher.
Nigel Jack of Toronto, Troy Bennett of Brampton, and Matthew Allen of Toronto face two dozen charges, including unauthorized possession of a firearm. Authorities found eight firearms, including two imitation Uzi submachine-guns.
They also seized a quantity of cocaine, marijuana and cash as proceeds of crime.
Several rounds of ammunition were also found in the search.
A grenade launcher? In Canada? But, Michael Moore told me that Canada was a pastoral place where everyone loved each other, and people walk around with rainbows shooting out of their assholes singing Celine Dion songs. Why would anyone want a grenade launcher, or an Uzi? Could it be that, despite the rhetoric, there is a criminal underclass in Canada that requires firearms and other weapons as an essential element in conducting its business? Could it also be that criminals, by their very definition, do not obey the law, and thus additional gun control laws won’t have any effect on them whatsoever?
Note that the police also seized cocaine and marijuana. Funny, isn’t it, that Canada’s drug control laws didn’t prevent the drugs from entering their country, yet they seem to think that disarming law-abiding citizens is going to prevent criminals from obtaining weapons.
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Or the cocaine.
I mean, what will happen to our world if criminals just ignore the law and do what they want? It’s almost as if the only people who obey these laws are the ones who weren’t doing anything wrong to begin with...!
I think you’re onto something here, Drum.
On several occasions in the UK there have been RPG Islamic terrorist threats (on the QT of course). Where the hell are they getting RPGs from? You would ahve thought the boarders of such a tiny country could be secured… you would be thinking wrong.
Lee, out of interest do you draw the line anywhere on what you think should/not be legal regarding firearms? Do you agree with any of the safety stuff from waiting lists to safety catches to finger print recognition (when it works) etc? Do you think kids, who have been trained perhaps (in fact do you think safety training should be required for adults?), should be able to carry guns (them being the most defensless of us all). Where do you draw the line?
How many people here carry a gun when they go shopping in town? take a gun to the beach with them? etc?
Do you agree with any of the safety stuff from waiting lists to safety catches to finger print recognition (when it works) etc?
I know you didn’t ask me, but there’s not really any reason to believe that waiting lists prevent crime, since virtually all guns used in crimes are obtained illegally to begin with. There may be the lone freak case out of a few hundred where someone actually went out and legally purchased a gun to off the cheating spouse, but those are not relevant to the general criminal culture.
Do you think kids, who have been trained perhaps (in fact do you think safety training should be required for adults?), should be able to carry guns (them being the most defensless of us all).
Actually, I think firearm safety education should be taught in high school along with driver’s education. Until the paranoia caught on, lots of schools had competitive shooting teams and students would keep guns in their cars to take hunting after school, nobody cared and nothing happened. Again, guns aren’t the issue, it’s the subculture of crime that causes gang members and drug dealers to bring handguns into school for violent purposes.
How many people here carry a gun when they go shopping in town? take a gun to the beach with them?
I just moved from a state that did not have concealed carry, but I was seriously pondering purchasing a shotgun for home defense before I left. Now that I’m here, it’s my intention to apply for an NY State firearm owner’s license, and in doing so hopefully convince a judge to authorize me for concealed carry, too. Not so much because I want to carry one at all times, but because there are definitely neighborhoods here in Broome County where I would feel a lot more comfortable armed at night, and would like to be able to carry something if needed.
Gun control has never been about crime, that’s just the pretense. Liberals are statists, and they want an unarmed population that is unable to resist tha decrees and regulations of their favorite government programs and agencies.
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I carry my revolver with me all the time, even to the beach. Love those fanny packs.
Kind of O.T., but has anyone been catching on to how the Media is spinning the Military Body Armor story as of late.
“Soliders are getting killed because they are getting shot in areas that aren’t covered by armor plating.”
Oh really!?
I know you didn’t ask me, but there’s not really any reason to believe that waiting lists prevent crime, since virtually all guns used in crimes are obtained illegally to begin with. There may be the lone freak case out of a few hundred where someone actually went out and legally purchased a gun to off the cheating spouse, but those are not relevant to the general criminal culture.
I guess that is fair enough, although I wonder if having to wait a few days is really an inconvenience. Do you not think a criminal reference check is a good idea? While criminals can clearly go and get guns illegaly, is it that *easy*? I really don’t know. If you are some 20 year old punk that wants to rob a convenience store do you go and find your nearest drug dealer and ask him for a gun or buy one?
Actually, I think firearm safety education should be taught in high school along with driver’s education. Until the paranoia caught on, lots of schools had competitive shooting teams and students would keep guns in their cars to take hunting after school, nobody cared and nothing happened. Again, guns aren’t the issue, it’s the subculture of crime that causes gang members and drug dealers to bring handguns into school for violent purposes.
I did shooting in school, although it was rifles - nothing that anyone would use for self defense, in fact not even sure how much damage they would do to a person - I doubt kill them.
I carry my revolver with me all the time, even to the beach. Love those fanny packs.
What do you do when you go swimming?
is it that *easy*?
How many guns per year are seized in the UK? How many of those guns were actually in England when the ban was passed? Any that were brought in later shows how easy it is to get guns into a country that bans them completely.
Here in the US, waiting periods vary from just a few days (if at all) to a few weeks, but that’s for the legal ones.
If you know somebody that knows somebody that knows the right guys, you can buy a gun for a few hundred bucks, no questions asked.
You’re also ignoring the fact that it isn’t the gun that is causing the problem, or you would see large groups of guns walking by themselves down the street taking potshots at passers-by.
This problem dates back to Cain and Abel (or whoever the first killer/victim pair was) and isn’t going to be solved by outlawing guns, any more than outlawing knives or rocks or pointy sticks with stone flakes tied onto the end with leather thongs would solve it.
I guess that is fair enough, although I wonder if having to wait a few days is really an inconvenience.
On the contrary, the burden is on the person who wants the state to take action to show that it *should* take action at public expense, not on the person opposing it to show that it will do harm.
Do you not think a criminal reference check is a good idea?
Sure, and in the 21st century, this takes a matter of moments, usually just a phone call to the national system set up for expressly this purpose.
While criminals can clearly go and get guns illegaly, is it that *easy*? I really don’t know. If you are some 20 year old punk that wants to rob a convenience store do you go and find your nearest drug dealer and ask him for a gun…
Pretty much. The more of a hood that you are, the easier it is to get one: Look at this Canadian story, some idiots with a bag of coke can get assault rifles and grenade launchers because they know who to talk to.
Any that were brought in later shows how easy it is to get guns into a country that bans them completely.
The leftovers of the IRA make good money selling to English gangs.
I did shooting in school, although it was rifles - nothing that anyone would use for self defense, in fact not even sure how much damage they would do to a person - I doubt kill them.
You must have been shooting military rifles chambered in .22 cal.
and you can kill a full grown human with a .22, its all about shot placement.
I guess that is fair enough, although I wonder if having to wait a few days is really an inconvenience. Do you not think a criminal reference check is a good idea? While criminals can clearly go and get guns illegaly, is it that *easy*? I really don’t know. If you are some 20 year old punk that wants to rob a convenience store do you go and find your nearest drug dealer and ask him for a gun or buy one?
with the wonders of the Internet a back round check can just take seconds. Why would you’ve to wait a few days? Wait for a inefficient bureaucratic system’s paper work? It can all be done electronically.
besides you don’t have a waiting period for bleach, chlorine, high octane fuel and bug spray.
How easy is it… well
all you got to do is ask around.. I’m sure someone in your neighborhood can lead you yo someone that cant get you in touch with someone that will sell you anything.
even in civilized england.
I use to Keep a .45 under my seat of my truck. you never know............. well hell you find any redneck that doest have a firearm in their truck. now that be a challenge. I quit carrying a rifle when i started working in Illinois, different state different laws.
How many people here carry a gun when they go shopping in town? take a gun to the beach with them? etc?
Ill be getting my CCW here in a month or 2 i missed getting it back in `November. The orly reason i want a license to carry is for my regular forays down to St. Louis. the crime down there has really gotten worse in the last number of years, you never know when it could happen to you, so its best to be prepared.
The leftovers of the IRA make good money selling to English gangs.
Notice that the IRA didn’t have any problem getting those “nasty weapons”.
Notice that the IRA didn’t have any problem getting those “nasty weapons”.
It’s surprisingly easy when you have the full backing of Libya, the USSR, China, and other terrorist motherships sending you hundreds of tons of explosives and tens of thousands of AK-47s.
The collapse of the Soviet Union was the single worst thing that ever happened to the IRA.
It’s surprisingly easy when you have the full backing of Libya, the USSR, China, and other terrorist motherships sending you hundreds of tons of explosives and tens of thousands of AK-47s.
Much like how drug traffickers move weapons with their shit.
No matter how strict the laws are, people will be able to smuggle weapons in.
.While criminals can clearly go and get guns illegaly, is it that *easy
Um, yes it is. If your criminally minded and can’t get one from the neighborhood, there’s breaking and entering and hoping the homeowner doesn’t put a few rounds in your center mass.
It’s surprisingly easy when you have the full backing of Libya, the USSR, China, and other terrorist motherships sending you hundreds of tons of explosives and tens of thousands of AK-47s.
Mostly nicely funded from the good old US of A. Took 911 to get that stopped.
Still, I would hazard it wastn’t *that* easy to get the stuff into the UK.
Much like how drug traffickers move weapons with their shit.
No matter how strict the laws are, people will be able to smuggle weapons in.
Should drugs be legal as well then?
Um, yes it is. If your criminally minded and can’t get one from the neighborhood, there’s breaking and entering and hoping the homeowner doesn’t put a few rounds in your center mass.
The fact that you suggest criminals go and get guns that are legally owned but just left out by others is hardly a convincing argument for allowing gun ownership, in fact this is exactly the sort of argument I would use in the UK to keep guns illegal.
Much like how drug traffickers move weapons with their shit.
No matter how strict the laws are, people will be able to smuggle weapons in.
Should drugs be legal as well then?
You got fucking water on the brain or something?
LOOK, even if by some miracle every legally owned firearm in this nation was turned in and destroyed., the traffickers would soon begin to ship more and more weapons in to the USA… like they are doing in jolly ol england.
preventing citizens from owning fire arms will not do jacks shit except en power the criminals who dont fucking obey the fucking law in the first fucking place.
as for drugs…
having seen what that shit will do to people up close i despise that shit. i think all traffickers should be shot dead, users sent to rehab. I could live with MJ being legalized, but with regulation
Mostly nicely funded from the good old US of A. Took 911 to get that stopped
yeah good ol Massachusetts liberls for ya providing that $$$$.
later.
Mostly nicely funded from the good old US of A. Took 911 to get that stopped.
What a joke. Mostly? Get real.
Could it also be that criminals, by their very definition, do not obey the law, and thus additional gun control laws won’t have any effect on them whatsoever?
You could say this a million times and it wouldn’t sink into the minds of gun grabbers anytime soon, if ever.
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If they’re going to argue that America’s lax gun regulation is the source of these weapons, they’ll have a hard time explaining where the grenade launcher (or the grenades) came from.