Another Gun Control Success
by Lee
I’d laugh if it weren’t so damn sad.
It’s the stuff of a suburban nightmare.
The woman shot to death in her San Mateo home while handing her two small children out the window to police was fleeing a stalker who had sneaked into her home through a partially opened garage door as her husband left for work Tuesday, Police Chief Susan Manheimer said Wednesday.
“This was not a random attack or a home invasion robbery, but an incident of stalking,” Manheimer said at an evening news conference. “In the past several weeks, he has pursued her through the Internet, and there may be other contacts as well.”
Police are investigating how Raymond Gee, 22, of Oakland first came into contact with Loan Kim Nguyen, 24, a beauty pageant contestant who hoped to one day become a television news anchor. Investigators don’t know if the two had ever met in person before Tuesday morning, Manheimer said.
But Gee, whom Manheimer described as “an unstable individual” with a history of weapons possession, was apparently staking out Nguyen and her family.
So it seems that the net result of California’s, and especially San Francisco’s draconian gun laws is that the insane stalker murderer was able to get his hands on one and kill her with it.
Also, note the introductory paragraph. “It’s the stuff of a suburban nightmare.” Yes, Chronicle, it is. That’s the reason people need guns in their homes, for that one fucking time that someone needs it.
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So can anyone show me stats on the number of women who have used guns successfully in self-defense?
Of course, you would have to minus away the number of women who ended up being murdered by their partners with the same weapon.
But Gee, whom Manheimer described as “an unstable individual” with a history of weapons possession, was apparently staking out Nguyen and her family.
Gotta love the subtle use of persuasion in the text where it links “unstable individual” with the fact he had a history of weapons possession. Only crazy people have guns!
So can anyone show me stats on the number of women who have used guns successfully in self-defense?
Of course, you would have to minus away the number of women who ended up being murdered by their partners with the same weapon.
Why would you need to show that? You’re assuming, at minimum, that absent the woman owning the gun, the husband would have (1) No other means of obtaining his gun to perform the act; (2) Had no other means of killing the woman save the use of a gun. Obviously, fulfilling #1 is probably pretty easy if the woman had no problem obtaining a gun, and #2 is often easy to accomplish too. You can’t seriously argue that if a husband broke into his wife’s purse to get her gun simply because it was convenient that the murder would not have happened otherwise.
Also: “Minus away”? How about “subtract”?
Of course, you would have to minus away the number of women who ended up being murdered by their partners with the same weapon.
At least they would have a chance against an intruder, stalker, rapist, etc...Without it they stand no chance. Period. LE can’t be around the corner every second so they need to have the ability to carry a firearm if they so desired. That is if you don’t live in the liberal utopias of DC(not anymore), illinois, Mass, Detroit, etc....Pretty amazing how most of the locales with the highest violent crime rates have the most restrictive firearm laws. Sheep to the slaughter.
So can anyone show me stats on the number of women who have used guns successfully in self-defense?
This is a difficult question to answer because the defensive use of a gun is only documented when someone is shot. If I wave a gun around, or scare a crook off by loading the chamber or by saying “I have a gun”, it is not documented. If you walk through a dangerous area with a visible holstered gun on your hip, you can never prove that a crime was prevented.
Moreover, the knowledge of guns’ very presence defends people. In a gun-rights situation, you never know who is armed and who isn’t. For example, America’s rate of home invasion if far lower than other countries even though our murder and robbery rates are. Ask yourself—do people put signs in their yard reading “gun free home”? Why not?
The only study I’ve ever seen was in the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia and they could really only speculate based on police reports. Their conclusion was that several times more crimes were prevented by guns than created by them, but I wasn’t convinced that they knew what they were doing. John Lott has done some work on this but the Freakonomics boys were not convinced, finding little relation between gun laws and violence either way.
Of course, you would have to minus away the number of women who ended up being murdered by their partners with the same weapon.
This again, runs into the documentation problem. If a woman is murdered, there’s a 95+% chance that it will be reported to the police (eventually) and recorded by the FBI and other crime statisticians. The same is *not* true for defensive uses of weapons, which rarely leave bodies on the deck for the police to investigate.
Stogy, you may want to go and ask the ladies here.
and here.
a anecdotal story
Stogy, are you implying woman are incapable of using handgun for self defense?
Just look at the police statics, they defend them selves every day from armed violence.
So can anyone show me stats on the number of women who have used guns successfully in self-defense?
I personally know a few women that have done this, and one that killed her ex-husband, who foolishly came at her with a butcher knife.
Whenever I watch a show that has some scared chick cowering in her room while some dude walks around the house, I always think “in the real world, she blows his ass away with the gun in the nightstand”.
I find shows in which an American woman is stalked and she remains unarmed to be unbelievable…
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We are in agreement....The anti’s will use this as a bad guy used an evil gun so we need more restrictive gun laws, but in reality it was the individual who lost her life who if allowed to own a firearm would be alive right now. Sad.