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American Martyr
by Lee

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.  There is nothing Europeans love more than a self-hating American.

She was the young American with blond hair whose death became an unlikely but powerful political symbol for the troubles of Palestine.

Now Rachel Corrie, crushed to death by an Israeli army bulldozer in the Gaza Strip two years ago, has caught the imagination of a fresh audience as her life story emerges as one of the most sought-after theatre tickets in the country.

The Royal Court in London announced yesterday that My Name is Rachel Corrie had become one the fastest sell-outs in its 50-year history. Tickets for the play’s 24 performances sold out in less than two days, the majority of them bought by one of the youngest audiences the theatre can recall. Actor and director Alan Rickman, whose idea it was to transform Corrie’s life into drama, is already looking at taking the play to the US where, unlike in Europe, the 23-year-old’s death has generated modest media coverage.

Why should it generate more coverage?  This is a girl who lay down in front of a bulldozer and got crushed to death.  While in enlightened Europe this elevates someone to the status of a political martyr, here in America we look at people like that as “fucking morons.” So, short of news articles about what a dumbass she was, why is her death really news?

In Britain in particular, the woman from Olympia, Washington, has become an aspirational figure for young people often seen as apathetic and uninterested in international issues.

Katharine Viner, editor of the Guardian Weekend magazine, co-edited Corrie’s writings with Rickman. The diaries form the entire script. Viner said: ‘What’s been so exciting is how young people have been responding to it. It’s not just that they are moved by Rachel’s death, but also that they are inspired by her words and actions, that she found a way to be political in a depoliticised age.’

Let us not forget that Rachel Corrie was an America-hating supporter of Islamist terorrist groups.  Here’s the infamous picure of America’s sweetheart, dressed up like a Muslim woman, showing a group of Palestinian children the proper way to burn the American flag.  And this is what it means to be “political,” I guess.

To recap, a girl who hates America, hates Israel, and supports terrorist organizations, lays down in front of a bulldozer and gets crushed.  I’m shocked, shocked that this girl isn’t held up as a shining example here in America.  Let me tell you something, Europe.  Except in the few leftist enclaves of America whose views closely parrot your own, this idiot is held in the highest levels of contempt.  If I had been standing there watching her be crushed I would have laughed my ass off at her stupidity.  There would be a greater chance for peace in the Middle East if hate-filled vermin like Rachel Corrie would end their support of terrorist groups.  I won’t be shedding a tear over her death.

Update: Little Green Footballs covers the “forgoten Rachels.”

Posted by Lee on 04/25/05 at 11:22 AM (Discuss this in the forums)

Comments


Posted by on 04/25/05 at 12:37 PM from United States

I can find dozens of stupid little twats just like her around this town.

Posted by on 04/25/05 at 12:51 PM from United States

Hmmm, this play must have gotten past the world-wide Jewish Media Control Complex’s censors.  Or is that what they want you to think?

Posted by Lee on 04/25/05 at 12:59 PM from United States

Face it, it’s not just a “few leftist enclaves”, it’s much of the higher education system, and liberal areas across America.

Actually, when I said “leftist enclaves” that was exactly what I was referring to.

Posted by on 04/25/05 at 01:10 PM from United States

Of course academics are pissed off at the system. They’re smarter than everybody else and the unjust system in which they live refused to acknowledge and compensate them for their intellect. Unfortunately, their high intellect and high cost education steered them toward intrinisic areas of interest where the workforce is saturated by people just like them: people too smart for society with enormous student loans and few prospects. So when they aren’t forced to make ends meet by working at Barnes and Noble or Starbucks, they fight tooth and nail for ultra-scarce part-time teaching jobs at universities that provide no benefits, no hope for tenure, and no opportunities for upward mobility.

My wife’s friend’s 36 year-old boyfriend is a walking left-wing cliche’. He’s been in and out of college and has bachelor’s degrees in Political Science, Philosophy, and a recent graduate from the New School’s graduate acting program. He’s now well over $150,000 in student loan debt (while his wife just finished her 3rd year of med school internship) and he blames every unseen force and government entity for his plight. He works as some library assistant while he scavenges for acting work (his poli-sci & philosophy BAs aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on.) He’s having no luck and the US Dept of Education are bow getting anxious about getting back all of that money they loaned to him to pursue his endeavours.
So far (to name just a few), he has blamed Rudy Giuliani, Gov. George Pataki, Mayor Bloomberg, Prez. Bush, the GOP House & Senate majorities, the NRA, the KKK, and faulty US foreign policy in the Middle East. The notion that he is now reaping what he has sewn has not been brought up.
To make a long story short, he’s driving his wife nuts and she’s seriously thinking of divorcing his self-pitying morose ass. She’s getting a tad tired of him dumping on her success because he couldn’t get his own shit straight.

Yikes! Here I am rambling on and I’m gonna be late for my conceptual dance and art therapy classes at Columbia!!

Posted by on 04/25/05 at 01:12 PM from United States

Oops! Did I say boyfriend? I meant to say 36 year-old husband. Sorry!

Posted by chrisbg99 on 04/25/05 at 01:21 PM from United States

Ah man, now I have to hate Alan Rickman a little.

Posted by Lee on 04/25/05 at 01:33 PM from United States

Not exactly “few”, though, are they?

Well, most rank-and-file liberals probably wouldn’t support this dunce, only the real leftist enclaves like SF, Madison, Seattle, that sort of thing.

Posted by Lee on 04/25/05 at 01:34 PM from United States

Ah man, now I have to hate Alan Rickman a little.

By Grabthar’s Hammer, what an asshole.

Posted by chrisbg99 on 04/25/05 at 01:39 PM from United States

Where is Bruce Willis to kick some sense into him?

Posted by on 04/25/05 at 01:57 PM from United States

there have been some good things to come out of Olympia.  Like low cost regional beer, cept I think that’s been shut down too.

Posted by on 04/25/05 at 02:10 PM from United States

yo Lee and all, this is off topic, but check this fucking article out article

unreal. when u get to the part on when they talk about a certain actor… hes one of my favorites. and he was within feet of mohammed “useless piece of shit” atta scarcely a month before 9/11

Posted by on 04/25/05 at 02:15 PM from United States

I’m all for freedom of expression and speech, but am I the only one that draws the line at sordid tales of how eeeeeeevil evil Amerikkka is and how we’ve done so many eeeeeeevil things in pursuit of filthy lucre and how we’ve killed/raped/stolen our way across the face of this beautiful planet we’ve wrecked in the name of profit$ and empire?

America. Love it or leave it. And if you’re not going to leave it and can’t bring yourself to love it, sit down and STFU.

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/25/05 at 02:47 PM from United States

By Grabthar’s Hammer, what an asshole.

I loved that movie. I think I’ll go watch it again…

Posted by Kilroy on 04/25/05 at 03:34 PM from United States

Where do I pick up tickets.  When she decides to wrestle the CAT it will bring me such a tickle.  <a href="http://www.anpicanavese.it/attualita/rachel/dedicato a Rachel Corrie/slide0004_image008.gif” target="_new">Corrie Vs. CAT</a>
<a href="http://www.anpicanavese.it/attualita/rachel/dedicato a Rachel Corrie/slide0006_image011.jpg” target="_new">Result</a>

I wonder what her last thought was be for the CAT crushed her?

Posted by Miguelito on 04/25/05 at 03:38 PM from United States

Oh no.. not Alan Rickman..  His actions here will put a stain upon one of the all time, classic action films in memory: Die Hard.

Posted by Kilroy on 04/25/05 at 03:39 PM from United States

Well she is not burning this one.  Corrie and the Americian Flag

And here is the Corrie Vs. CAT, Pictures..

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/25/05 at 03:39 PM from United States

I’m guessing something along the lines of “Damn, this thing is heavy!”

Posted by on 04/25/05 at 04:19 PM from United States

I’m guessing the truly ironic “I’m an American!”

Posted by David W on 04/25/05 at 05:52 PM from United States

disappointed in Alan Rickman, who is a truely great actor.  I have nothing but contempt for Rachel Corrie, Lee’s ‘sainted pancake’ and it is sadly revealing that the European press portrays her as any kind of sympathetic figure.

Posted by Seth on 04/25/05 at 07:47 PM from United States

Wasn’t there some talk about the house the flat gal was trying to protect from being bulldozed having a tunnel underneath, used by terrorists to smuggle in weapons and explosives?
Also, I recall reading that other members of Corrie’s “organization” were found to be harboring one of the most- wanted bomb makers over there.

Posted by Aaron - Free Will on 04/26/05 at 03:21 AM from United States

You know, that really disappoints me, too. I assumed Rickman has to be left-leaning, but I thought he was surely smart enough to avoid praying to St. Pancake of Palestine.

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 03:57 AM from Japan

To recap, a girl who hates America, hates Israel, and supports terrorist organizations, lays down in front of a bulldozer and gets crushed.

I don’t really have an answer for the burning of the flag thing - I know it upsets some people, but Rachel Corrie didn’t hate Israel, and she died opposing the unjust demolition of Palestinian homes (a policy which many Israelis also denounce, and some of their operators have refused direct orders on HR grouds). Nor have I ever seen any evidence that she supported terrorism. She died for something she believed in, which is more than most people can manage.

And perhaps Caterpillar should be rethinking their policy of selling armaments which have been improperly used on many occasions.

I don’t think this has any connection with left-right debates at all. Nor is it in any way anti-Israeli…

Posted by Aaron - Free Will on 04/26/05 at 04:21 AM from United States

And perhaps Caterpillar should be rethinking their policy of selling armaments which have been improperly used on many occasions.

First, a bulldozer isn’t an “armament”, it’s “a machine”. Second, no, they shouldn’t rethink anything: You’re responsible for how you use the products you buy, no one else.

I don’t think there is any reasonable argument that can state that a woman who joins up with a known terrorist-supporting organization, puts on a veil, and burns an American flag for a cheering group of Palestinian youth is anything other than an America-hater. “Yaay! Fuck America! Yaay!” When you burn the symbol of my country, you are making an implicit threat and statement against me, my family, my neighbors, and everything I know and love. When you do it to rally a crowd of future suicide-bombers, you are nothing less than a terrorist cocksucker.

She died for something she believed in, which is more than most people can manage.

There are some things that are too stupid to die for, and she didn’t die “for it”: She wasn’t killed trying to save a Palestinian baby from a sniper’s bullet. She died in a stupid, thoughtless accident because she wasn’t watching what she was doing and tripped on a pile of dirt.

I hope when I die, I get run over by an Israeli dump truck. That way, I’ll be worshipped as a God, too.

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 04:53 AM from Japan

Aaron - have you seen a military bulldozer? I doubt you could describe it as anything else than an armament.

Second, no, they shouldn’t rethink anything: You’re responsible for how you use the products you buy, no one else.

This undermines just about every principle on which the export US technological and military equipment is based. There are always considerations of how the products you sell should be used. In Caterpillar’s case, it actually seems to contradict their own corporate policy.

There are some things that are too stupid to die for, and she didn’t die “for it”: She wasn’t killed trying to save a Palestinian baby from a sniper’s bullet. She died in a stupid, thoughtless accident because she wasn’t watching what she was doing and tripped on a pile of dirt.

Just in case you missed it, here is what Rachel Corrie’s mother had to say about her death (in the Boston Globe):

Rachel was an unarmed peace activist trying to prevent the demolition of the home of a Palestinian pharmacist, his wife, and three children. She believed that nonviolent direct action against the Israeli occupation would make Palestinians, and also Israelis and Americans, more secure. Rachel stood there to protect a home and family in Gaza because the United States and Israel rejected a UN proposal to send international human rights monitors there. International activists went instead. Rachel stood there protesting illegal home demolitions that the United States opposes on the record yet fails to stop – destruction that we support with billions in annual military aid to Israel for bulldozers, Apache helicopters, F-16s, and more.

I don’t think that’s so stupid.

I don’t think there is any reasonable argument that can state that a woman who joins up with a known terrorist-supporting organization

The ISM is an organization that is non-violent. I don’t see how you could argue that they support terrorism.

Posted by Aaron - Free Will on 04/26/05 at 05:38 AM from United States

Aaron - have you seen a military bulldozer? I doubt you could describe it as anything else than an armament.

Heck, I’ve seen the one that ran over Rachel Corrie. And the one that didn’t, but that Reuters claimed did so it would look like the driver deliberately her over. You know what I’d call it? “A bulldozer”.

I don’t care how armored it may be: When it can plant artillery shells on my position, then we’ll talk.

This undermines just about every principle on which the export US technological and military equipment is based. There are always considerations of how the products you sell should be used. In Caterpillar’s case, it actually seems to contradict their own corporate policy.

Are you seriously arguing that a bulldozer is somehow equivalent to radar absorbent material or nuclear arms?

I don’t think that’s so stupid.

Rachel Corrie didn’t “stand there” to stop the bulldozer, she was wandering around shouting through a bullhorn, tripped, and got run over. This is not martyrdom. She didn’t take a bullet for the Pope, here. This is equivalent to getting hit by a dumptruck because you didn’t look both ways. It was a stupid accident, not heroism, and all she had to do was not climb around on a pile of loose dirt like a moron and she’d be alive today.

The dump truck scenario is not “dying for the cause of better traffic laws”, no matter how much you may believe in that, and Rachel Corrie didn’t die for the cause of opposing Israeli home demolition: She had no intention of dying, and no intention of assuming any personal risk, much like the “human shields” in Iraq. It was essentially a camping trip, a fun political exercise, for her and her college friends who don’t know any better. There is no sacrifice here. Just a senseless, empty loss of what could have been a good person. She died stupidly, ignobly, and without dignity, crushed and broken for nothing. To martyr her is sick.

The ISM is an organization that is non-violent. I don’t see how you could argue that they support terrorism.

I see you read their recruiting pamphlet. The ISM has openly stated repeatedly their support for the “armed resistance” by “whatever means they think are suitable” (read: suicide bombers), meets and coordinates with Hamas. A New Jersey organizer for the group once described terrorism as “a very powerful tool for justice”, one of the group’s co-founders has stated that the suicide bombings would stop if the Israelis would “only” give them what they want. (Another cofounder, Adam Shapiro, said they opposed suicide bombings, unless it “only” targets Jewish settlers. Shapiro was once a human shield for Arafat.) They have repeatedly expressed support for the total elimination of the Jewish state. Others have been arrested by Israel for sheltering and aiding Islamic Jihad and other terrorist group members, and the group openly works with and shares membership with numerous recognized Marxist terrorist groups like International ANSWER/World Worker’s Party and the PLFP.

Read up a little.

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/26/05 at 08:42 AM from United States

Aaron, you see why I call him a fucking idiot? He’s not smart enough to be a ‘useful’ one…

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 09:54 AM from Japan

Aaron - you are right. I need to do some more reading. I’d be interested to know where you heard your account of her death. This is what another member of the ISM reported (sorry, my link button doesn’t seem to work, but it’s on the palsolidarity website - partisan, yes):

The bulldozer continued driving forward headed straight for Rachel. When it got so close that it was moving the earth beneath her, she climbed onto the pile of rubble being pushed by the bulldozer. She got so high onto it that she was at eye-level with the cab of the bulldozer. Her head and upper torso were above the bulldozer’s blade, and the bulldozer driver and co-operator could clearly see her. Despite this, he continued forward, which pulled her legs into the pile of rubble, and pulled her down out of view of the driver. If he’d stopped at this point, he may have only broken her legs, but he continued forward, which pulled her underneath the bulldozer.

The bulldozers do appear to have been playing chicken with the activists all day.

I have also read through a lot of anti-ISM websites - I agree that Adam Shapiro has said some stupid things, and I disagree that non-violence be used simply as an alternative tactic to violence. It should be an inherently moral position - and I think that the ISM should have just as many volunteers working in Israel as they do in Palestine (to protect Israelis as well). I am happy that non-violence does seem to be gaining the upper hand in Palestinian society now - I hope it continues.

So yes, I accept that I spoke too early. I still think that Rachel Corrie believed in what she was doing, and the Israeli settlements are extremely problematic in terms of the peace process. The bulldozers have been used at times quite unfairly in targeting Palestinian homes, fields and companies.

Would you support international monitors in Palestine?

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 09:55 AM from Japan

Aaron, you see why I call him a fucking idiot? He’s not smart enough to be a ‘useful’ one…

DW - I see you are making your usual constructive contribution to the discussion

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/26/05 at 10:10 AM from United States

Well, stoge… when you start calling bulldozers “armament”, it proves that you either have no idea what “armaments” are… or what a bulldozer is.

Possibly both.

Yet you still try to speak as an expert on the subject.

That Pali house was being used to conceal a tunnel used to smuggle explosives. The Israelis were not going to leave a backdoor access to their people, just because idiots like you think they should, and Rachel Corrie (whom you have scrupulously avoided admitting that she was an anti-American activist who made a stupid mistake) belonged to an organization that supported and defended terror groups in their efforts to blow up Israeli civilians. Darwin was smarter, and the world is a nicer place because her genes - and ideology - will not be passed on to some innocent child.

I have suggested this option before, and it is the mark of the True Idiot (TM) that you haven’t even bothered to try it.

Learn BEFORE you speak, and people will quit making fun of you. (Well, not entirely, but it will eliminate a major source.)

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 10:33 AM from Japan

Well, stoge… when you start calling bulldozers “armament”, it proves that you either have no idea what “armaments” are… or what a bulldozer is.

DW - um....you really have no idea, do you:

Websters defines armament as any equipment for resistance - rocks, sticks, forks, baseball bats, even a pudding spoon if used properly counts as armament.

If you want to accept a stricter definition:

1. The weapons and supplies of war with which a military unit is equipped.

Hmmm....yup - that would include bulldozers.

whom you have scrupulously avoided admitting that she was an anti-American activist

That Pali house was being used to conceal a tunnel used to smuggle explosives.

Actually - do a search yourself DW - I have seen no evidence that the house was being used to hide a tunnel. Actually, the Israeli army demolished whole neighbourhoods of houses close to the border to eliminate the possibility of tunnels being present. It’s a very different thing to there being a tunnel under that house.

And once again. Are you really such a dick that you can’t discuss anything without even a half-decent taunt? Jeez!

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 10:36 AM from Japan

anti-American activist

Oops - I forgot this one. She opposed some policies of the American government.

There, is that enough for you?

It’s easy to characterize the ISM as a Palestinian front, but you should note that there are quite a number of Jewish-Israeli supporters.

Damn - why won’t that link button work!

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/26/05 at 10:59 AM from United States

If you want to accept a stricter definition:

1. The weapons and supplies of war with which a military unit is equipped.

Hmmm....yup - that would include bulldozers.

It would also include food, toilet paper, first-aid kits, maps, and (during WW2) chocolate bars and nylon hose. According to your definition, anyway. But the rest of us live in reality.

Let me use small words, so even you could understand…

Just because a piece of equipment is used at the direction of the military, that does not make it military equipment. It also does not mean that it fits the definition of “armaments” - btw, you conveniently left off the other definitions from that page, where armaments are specified as “weapons” - no matter how you try to twist the meaning.

She opposed some policies of the American government.

No, she taught little children how to burn American flags as a means of opposing Israeli policies. Those Israeli policies were in response to the bombing of innocents.

I have seen no evidence that the house was being used to hide a tunnel.

Kinda tough to “see evidence” when you don’t bother to look. Try reading a little before running your yap, you fucking idiot.

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 11:18 AM from Japan

Kinda tough to “see evidence” when you don’t bother to look. Try reading a little before running your yap, you fucking idiot.

Sorry, DW. Which of those posts says that the house RC was trying to defend had a tunnel underneath it?

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 11:19 AM from United States

Rachel Corrie was a follish child who put herself in a situation that led to her death.  You pays your money, you takes your chances.

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/26/05 at 11:24 AM from United States

Which part of “try reading a little” did you not understand?

Go read them. Learn a little about the Sainted Waffle you are busy defending, and more about the organization she worked for and some of its goals and activities.

Then if you still don’t get it, come on back, and we’ll laugh at you some more.

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 11:34 AM from Japan

DW - you didn’t answer the question. I can’t find a link which shows me that Rachel Corrie was defending a house with a tunnel underneath.

Let’s look at exactly what Israel was doing there at the time, shall we? They were demolishing a wide strip of houses along the border, in defiance of both international and Israeli law, with the general aim of preventing the construction of more tunnels.

Now I support the right of Israel to defend itself, but razing 10% of the homes in Raffah just is going to make the local population of Palestinian into....into....well let’s just say it’s not the kind of policy that will win hearts and minds.

And I noticed you ignored my argument that Caterpillar may be violating their own company policy by selling their bulldozers.

Which part of “try reading a little” did you not understand?

Thanks to Aaron, I may be better read on this issue now than you.

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 11:38 AM from Japan

No, she taught little children how to burn American flags as a means of opposing Israeli policies. Those Israeli policies were in response to the bombing of innocents.

Note I also said that I was aware that flag burning was problematic (and hence I didn’t agree with it as a non-violent action). I also said that ISM has many Israeli members, who also oppose the policies of the Israeli government.

I find it disconcerting that you just ignore any of the arguments that contradict your own, and make lots of ad hominem attacks, misquoting, and then resorting to abuse when you are in trouble. It’s quite pathetic. Why do you argue to win, and not to learn?

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 11:43 AM from United States

Why do you argue to win, and not to learn?


We could ask the same of you.
Posted by on 04/26/05 at 12:07 PM from Japan

We could ask the same of you.

It’s a good point, but I already conceded that Aaron had made me rethink. So no - I don’t care about winning. I altered my arguments accordingly. I argue to learn, and learn I have.

btw, Ian, Drumwaster’s usual policy is to fall quiet when he realizes he has lost an argument. Even when others (or myself) have caught him out, he never admits he has made a mistake. I wonder if he is like that in real life. It must be very frustrating for those around him if he is.

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/26/05 at 01:57 PM from United States

Actually, I haven’t fallen quiet. I’ve got a life outside this forum which requires my attention from time to time.

1. Rachel Corrie was there to protest the destruction of homes. (Given)

2. Those homes were being used by Pali terror groups to smuggle weapons and explosives from Egypt into Gaza. (Link)

The tunnels Corrie was protecting are underneath the Israel-Egypt border. These elaborate structures, often wood paneled and with electricity, communications equipment and even elevators, are typically dug inside residential homes and concealed under bathrooms, living rooms and bedrooms. They are used to smuggle weapons and explosives—not to mention drugs and prostitutes—from Egypt into Gaza.

3. Rachel Corrie was an America-hating member of a organization dedicated to supporting and defending terrorists.

4. You are defending her. What does that say about your activities, bias, and intellectual acumen?

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/26/05 at 01:58 PM from United States

I wonder if he is like that in real life.

I am, because I don’t often make mistakes, and certainly not about this.

How about you? Learned anything yet?

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/26/05 at 05:08 PM from United States

btw, Ian, stogy’s usual policy is to fall quiet when he realizes he has lost an argument. Even when others (or myself) have caught him out, he never admits he has made a mistake.

{Wondering whether stogy will quit running from the truth...}

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 07:30 PM from Japan

The tunnels Corrie was protecting are underneath the Israel-Egypt border.

DW - once again, you have completely failed to show me that Rachel Corrie was defending a house with a tunnel under it. I know that there were tunnels, but bulldozing 10% of the houses in a town is an illegal act (by Israeli and international law), particularly as there were plenty of other ways of finding the tunnels (seizmic sensors etc.). Much of the bulldozing was done AFTER the PA had filled in the tunnels they had found.

3. Rachel Corrie was an America-hating member of a organization dedicated to supporting and defending terrorists.

I doubt that she hated America, but I think she opposed many American policies. Burning the flag was not a particularly bright thing to do.

4. You are defending her. What does that say about your activities, bias, and intellectual acumen?

Hey - all I said is that I think she died doing something she believed in, which is more than most of us can manage. I believe in non-violence, I am disappointed that the ISM supports the use of violence in any case. Non-violence should be more than a political tool. I am not defending ISM at all.

btw Ian, Stogy’s usual policy is to go to bed when he realizes that it’s very late.

Oh come on Drumwaster, lighten up! It’s only a discussion.

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/26/05 at 07:57 PM from United States

I doubt that she hated America, but I think she opposed many American policies.

John Kerry opposes American policy, but you need to go look at that picture of the “America loving” Rachel Corrie again. She was also supporting groups that killed civilians (including many Americans).

That isn’t being “against war”, that’s being on the other side. You cannot say “I love America” while supporting and protecting terrorists.

once again, you have completely failed to show me that Rachel Corrie was defending a house with a tunnel under it.

Au contraire. I refer you to the esteemed historian and scholar, stogy, who says clearly that the tunnels existed.

For instance, he says:

I know that there were tunnels, but bulldozing 10% of the houses in a town is an illegal act (by Israeli and international law), particularly as there were plenty of other ways of finding the tunnels (seizmic sensors etc.). Much of the bulldozing was done AFTER the PA had filled in the tunnels they had found.

So were the tunnels under those houses, or not? You claim both, and then declare some kind of victory.

“I’ll bet that either the Democrats or the Republicans will win the last election. Hey, I was right!”

You’re still a fucking idiot.

I believe in non-violence

And a coward, too. But that explains a lot - more than you realize you let slip.

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 08:20 PM from Japan

She was also supporting groups that killed civilians (including many Americans).

Hmmm...I posted on the MEK last week - they have killed Americans too, but the IPC in congress wants them taken off the terrorist list. Do you support this policy, DW. I don’t any more than I support the ISM being partisan in the conflict.

So were the tunnels under those houses, or not? You claim both, and then declare some kind of victory.

Drumwaster - they bullodozed hundreds, perhaps thousands (I haven’t finished reading the report) of houses - are you saying there were hundreds of tunnels? Wow! That’s more than even the Israelis suspected. You should pass along that information to the authorities!

And a coward, too. But that explains a lot - more than you realize you let slip.

I said it before, DW. so it’s not news. Are you sure non-violence is cowardly? It’s takes courage not to carry a gun into a warzone. If that makes me an idiot, then so be it. At least I can die for my beliefs.

Posted by on 04/26/05 at 08:21 PM from Japan

Wow - lots of typos. And my Grandma is bad. Gotta work now…

Posted by Drumwaster on 04/26/05 at 08:27 PM from United States

At least I can die for my beliefs.

War is not about dying for your beliefs. War is about making the other poor dumb bastard die for his beliefs.

(With apologies to the General)

Are you sure non-violence is cowardly? It’s takes courage not to carry a gun into a warzone.

But it doesn’t take any at all to sit on the sidelines and snipe like you actually knew something about the issue. Lucky for you, huh?

Posted by on 04/27/05 at 06:17 AM from Japan

DW - I was disappointed that you didn’t answer my question about the MEK - that was the really interesting one.

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