if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained?"
-- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
A U-Haul for Muhammad
by Lee
First it was France who took the lead in expelling radical Islamist extremists from their country, and now the Aussies are doing it.
Federal Treasurer Peter Costello says anyone who does not accept core Australian values should leave and has hinted the Government could look at compelling some to leave.
Mr Costello says anyone coming to Australia and those born here must accept Australian law.
“This is a country which is founded on a democracy,” Mr Costello told ABC TV’s Lateline.
“According to our Constitution, we have a secular state. Our laws are made by the Australian Parliament.
“If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you.
“This is not the kind of country where you would feel comfortable if you were opposed to democracy, parliamentary law, independent courts and so I would say to people who don’t feel comfortable with those values there might be other countries where they’d feel more comfortable with their own values or beliefs.”
He added: “These are Australian values and they’re not going to change and we would expect people, when they come to Australia or if they are born in Australia, to respect those values.”
Absolutely. The First Amendment is not a death warrant. I just wish our president had the balls to come out and say something like this.
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Lee, Callahan,
I ‘m not sure, but isn’t it unlawful to make a speech about killing the president? Or is that protected by the constitution as well? I vaguely remember a professor telling me that in college.
Lee, did you just make a backhanded compliment to France. ... faints ...
I ‘m not sure, but isn’t it unlawful to make a speech about killing the president?
What about other Presidents ;) Or is that the action of a private citizen.
I am sure that you have sedition laws in the US. It IS NOT lawful to call for the overthrow of the government and, if you do so, you can and should be deported if you are not an American citizen. I think that American elected officials are sworn to uphold the constitution anyone calling for the elimination of the constitution in favor of islamic law should be seen as a threat to the constitution. Finally, what about the rule of law? How can there be a separate, parallel or equivalent law to American law? Those who advocate for special laws that only apply to their religious group do not understand western law. If they really want it they should leave.
I am sure that you have sedition laws in the US.
We do, but it is required to be backed up by action, not just the ideas themselves. If it were illegal, I imagine that these asshats would be in jail today.
How can there be a separate, parallel or equivalent law to American law?
There can’t be. (Clause 2 - ”This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.” - emphasis mine)
If the constitution gives assets the right to guns for the sole reason as to be able to rise up against the government, it would seem the right to sedition is ingrained into the constitution, no?
There’s a reason that the only crime defined in the Constitution is Treason.
If the constitution gives assets the right to guns for the sole reason as to be able to rise up against the government, it would seem the right to sedition is ingrained into the constitution, no?
The right to rise up against the government belongs solely to the citizens who have a right to participate in that government. (Otherwise, your right to bear arms is a function of your right to self-defense. A non-citizen attempting to “rise up” against the government is, de facto, a foreign enemy perpetrating an act of war against the United States.)
The Constitution allows for a broad range of ideas and concepts to be enshrined into law, but the moment you take action that attempts to usurp the Constitution, you’re stepping into treason or something similar. No one, citizen or otherwise, has the right to usurp the Constitution: Only to destroy a government which tries it.
You know what’s amazing? All this shit they’re doing in England and Austrailia as a result of the tube bombings are MUCH MUCH more heavy handed than this terrible Patriot Act the leftists in those countries heaped condemnation on.....amazing what a liberal in fear for his precious life will do…
Muslims in Australia seem to be taking the usual position - they are very offended and resentful because Australians dont trust them, and say so.
Also- From The Australian:
Mosques ‘will be entered’
By Paul Osborne
August 24, 2005
‘MOSQUES and Islamic schools will be targeted by intelligence agencies as the Federal Government tries to stamp out home-grown terrorism and extremists.
On top of trying to promote Australian values in Islamic schools, Prime Minister John Howard said the Government would monitor what was said in certain schools and mosques to ensure they did not foster terrorism.
Mr Howard was blunt when asked whether he was prepared to “get inside” mosques and schools to ensure there was no support for terrorism.
“Yes, to the extent necessary,” he said on Southern Cross radio.
“I have no desire, and nor is it the Government’s intention, to interfere in any way with the freedom or practice of religion.
“We have a right to know whether there is, within any section of the Islamic community, a preaching of the virtues of terrorism, whether any comfort or harbour is given to terrorism within that community.”
Mr Howard met Muslim leaders in Canberra yesterday, when they agreed to work on a national strategy to address intolerance and the promotion of violence.
New ASIO head Paul O’Sullivan was involved in the talks, which included some discussion of improving links with the Muslim community.
Australian Muslim Civil Rights Advocacy Network convenor Waleed Kadous said there was no evidence to suggest there was a terrorist problem in mosques or schools.
“I don’t know why he is resorting to such tough kind of measures when frankly he could consult with members of the community,” Mr Kadous said.
“He had the opportunity to do that yesterday, but he chose not just to ignore radicals, who are a very small minority, but a broad section of the community and, for example, he didn’t invite anyone from the schools sector.
“Such hard-line talk only isolates some parts of the Muslim community even further, and makes it harder for cooperation between the Muslim community and the Government.”
Islamic School of Canberra chairman Ikebal Patel believed current checks on what schools taught, and who taught in them, were rigorous.
“Every school in Australia, whether in the ACT or other states, has to go through the rigorous process of registration with the Education Department,” he said.
Opposition Leader Kim Beazley said conditions should be put on school funding to ensure young Australians were not taught inflammatory material.
“Labor believes funding for schools should also be conditional upon ensuring students are not exposed to extremist material or teachings,” Mr Beazley said.
Education Minister Brendan Nelson and Citizenship Minister John Cobb will spend the coming weeks meeting Islamic leaders to flesh out the summit’s proposals, including ways of training imams in Australia, and ensuring schools teach Australian values.
Dr Nelson said steps were needed to ensure the minds of students in Islamic schools were not poisoned by fundamentalism.
He will also propose at a meeting with vice-chancellors and Muslim leaders next month plans to support more imams being educated in Australian universities.
“(This is) so muftis and the imams we have teaching the Islamic faith and values in Australia, whether in schools or any other place, are people that are Australians, understand know and live Australian values and have been taught in an Australian environment,” Dr Nelson said.
Meanwhile, Dr Nelson said, Muslims in Australia who did not want to accept Australian values should ‘clear off’.’
From the same site taking back September 11, fuckwits
But we want to show to the world that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism - the true form of Islam would not allow anyone, or any of us, to do such a treacherous act
I tell ya what Mohumad, give me bin Laden’s head on a fucking plate and that’ll just be a start in gaining the respect of the rest of the world.
Actions speak louder than words.
glassed.
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I wholeheartedly agree, but it would be unconstitutional to actually act upon it.
You see, anti-American speech is actually protected here. Anti-European (or Australian) speech is not protected there.
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