Spicoli Meets the Shiites
by Lee
Are there no depths to the hubris of this egomaniacal asshole?
Hollywood actor Sean Penn, adopting the role of a journalist, scribbled in his notebook as Friday prayer worshippers in Tehran chanted “Death to America.”
Penn, 44, in Iran on a brief assignment for the San Francisco Chronicle ahead of presidential elections on June 17, may be one of the best known faces in film, but he went unrecognized by the 6,000 faithful at Tehran University.
Working with a translator, Penn took copious notes as hardline cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati urged the congregation to vote en masse “to make America angry.”
The actor, who visited Iraq before and after the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 and wrote an account of his second trip for the Chronicle, told Reuters he had decided to come to Iran because of growing tensions between Washington and Tehran.
Check out the picture of this wormy fuck. He’s crouching in that position so you can’t see the erection he got when he heard thousands of Muslims chanting “Death to America.”
I think the greatest way to finish this post is to refer to Team America. In that film, Trey Parker and Matt Stone had Sean Penn say: “Last year, I went to Iraq. Before Team America showed up, it was a happy place. They had flowery meadows, and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.” Penn angrily shot back by inviting Parker and Stone to take a trip to Iraq with him. Their response?
“I went to the Grand Canyon once, but that doesn’t make me an expert.”
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I just hope that Mr Hand doesn’t make Penn share his pizza with all those Iranians!
“I went to the Grand Canyon once, but that doesn’t make me an expert.”
I wish more celebrities believed this way.
He’s crouching in that position so you can’t see the erection he got when he heard thousands of Muslims chanting “Death to America.”
Thanks, Lee. Now I have to clean my keyboard from all the soda I just spit all over it.
Sean Penn is the Jane Fonda of our times. I’m somewhat glad he’s doing what he’s doing. He’s making a royal ass of himself and in the process, showing all Americans that hollywood is deeply clueless.
My dad, a Vietnam vet, said, “At least he wasn’t sitting in an anti-aircraft battery.”
C,mon.he has such a breadth of wordly knowledge from living in Marin County that he can speak for America anytime,right? whutta maroon
Dad’s second thought: “The Iranians probably wouldn’t trust him in one.”
So Sean thinks that “death to America” is some new thing that Iran started saying because of the Iraq war?
Nothing like geopolitical advice from a 40 year old bike messenger.
LOL, Tj…
So Sean thinks that “death to America” is some new thing that Iran started saying because of the Iraq war?
Excellent point...I very clearly recall the first time I heard Iranians screaming that. It was around 1979 (wow, does that make me feel old) and all of Iran was calling for “Death to America.” Why? Well...it was good old Jimmy “Shut Down Gitmo and the Muslims will love us again” Carter! That’s something a lot of Democrats forget...the first time the Islamic world really showed overt hate for us was during the Carter years. Jimmy Carter, the man who defined self hating American, kids....Goes to show that even if we were passive little pussies and gave in to the Muslims, they’d still want us dead.
When it comes to handling Islamo-fascists, Carter is not the guy to take advice from. That’s like learning moderation from an alcoholic or a gambling addict.
Whoops, that link didn’t work. Here’s one that does work.
Check out the picture of this wormy fuck. He’s crouching in that position so you can’t see the erection he got when he heard thousands of Muslims chanting “Death to America.”
Hey, Sean. That means death to you too.
That is one fact that Penn is completely clueless about - he’d be on the top of their hit list.Hey, Sean. That means death to you too.
Hey EZ, next time you post something like that, warn me I’ve got Leinies Light all over the keyboard!
Figures that the Chronicle would send him.
Am I the only one who is curious to see what he actually comes up with? It is going to be hilarious.
I wonder how it would compare to the reporting of a church or college here in America chanting “Death to Iran"…
Heh, and Sean Penn is doing--what exactly--that you people don’t agree with? Working on a story? Observing something we probably wouldn’t see otherwise?
Your knee-jerk reactions to people you don’t like are funny, but at least he is making an effort and doing something in support of his point of view.
Which is more than most of you members of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists can say.
This from a being (sorry, but an innate honesty won’t let me call you a “man") who has gleefully admitted to not wanting to sign up on either side.
The irony is almost overwhelming.
And those chants of ‘Death to America’ include you, too, Billy. But you don’t see anything wrong with this?
This from a being (sorry, but an innate honesty won’t let me call you a “man") who has gleefully admitted to not wanting to sign up on either side.
Uh huh...from right-wingers I hear a lot of “I support the war (but won’t go fight myself)!”, “I support Bush (but won’t go fight myself)!”, “I support the war (but want lower taxes)!” and a lot of other BS that sounds pretty lame from you bunch of wankers.
Since you seem to think that just because somebody announces a fight, it is somehow my job to sign up to fight for one side or the other, let me ask you something, Drummie:
Could you, in good conscience, sign up for four years or more for the military, when you do not trust the wisdom, judgement, or honesty of the administration that would control your fate? That’s a yes or no question there, drummie.
Since Bush’s little war, and Rumsfeld’s mismanagement of it, have made us far less secure than we were before, since the mismanagement of finances have left us deep in debt, and our debt is largely controlled by China, since Iraq has become a giant training ground for terrorists, I think I am on the right side here.
But you, drummie, are supporting terrorist recruitment, foreign ownership of our debt, and policies that make America weaker, not stronger.
I guess you’re just a traitor, drummie. Why don’t you come out of the closet and just sign up with the terrorists, since that’s clearly the side that you’re on, and leave America to real patriots?
Could you, in good conscience, sign up for four years or more for the military, when you do not trust the wisdom, judgement, or honesty of the administration that would control your fate?
Yes. In fact, I DID just such a thing.
Can you, in you craven fashion, be grown-up enough to admit that your cowardly ways are the only thing keeping you from enlisting in any sort of public service whatsoever, whether military, Peace Corps, or any type of NGO charity, and that, subsequently, you are not worthy to suck the scum from the sole of the boots of a real hero?
That’s a yes/no question, dickhead.
But you, drummie, are supporting terrorist recruitment, foreign ownership of our debt, and policies that make America weaker, not stronger.
No, that would - again - be YOU.
I guess you’re just a traitor, drummie.
And I guess you are just a fucking coward, who seems to be trying hard to take the crown and title of “Fucking Idiot” from stogy, too.
Run back and hide underneath your bed, you coward.
Hollywood actor Sean Penn, adopting the role of a journalist, scribbled in his notebook as Friday prayer worshippers in Tehran chanted “Death to America.”
These worshippers are fucking lazy. They talk a good talk, but nothing happened. He’s right there dipshits. If you wanted to wipe out an American, you had to go no further than 10 feet. What a bunch of losers.
So now he’s a journalist, with no background in the field that I am aware of, but someone shows up to a Bush press conference as a ‘journalist’ that doesn’t despise him, and all of journalistic integrity has gone down the tubes according to the press. I remember the lefty outrage over this. An activist posing as a journalist. Where’s the outrage?
Uh huh...from right-wingers I hear a lot of “I support the war (but won’t go fight myself)!”, “I support Bush (but won’t go fight myself)!”, “I support the war (but want lower taxes)!” and a lot of other BS that sounds pretty lame from you bunch of wankers.
If you took the time to notice, there are actually multiple veterans that post to/read this blog, including Lee himself. Very few are still underage, and many aren’t even in the US. Nor does everyone toe the Republican party line, or even agree with it. Many people here are actually old enough to have children, and grandchildren. Most of the Right-Wing/Left-Wing flinging gets thrown around when someone of liberal leaning jumps on and accuses everyone of being abortion-bombing, evangelist, civilian torturers. Admittedly, Drum is quick to pounce on someone for stating something with lack of facts/links, but thats usually due to the high number of people willing to drop in here, and start shelling the place with emotional bs and then becoming indignant when anyone asks for “proof”. As if any good american didn’t already KNOW that Bush was Hitler. Honestly.
I’m not bashing you or anything, just try to calm down the rhetoric, and stick to providing facts. Conspiracy theories, and generalizations tend to hurt things. (And the reason people around here tend to generalize Democrats, is because of the quality that tend to float in here).
I recall there being an intelligent liberal hanging out here, like, a year ago. I think.
Sean Galbraith. He’s still around here from time to time. (He’s Canadian, and electricity is an iffy thing in some places up that far north.)
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If you took the time to notice, there are actually multiple veterans that post to/read this blog, including Lee himself.
There’s no point: Some of the people on this blog *have been fighting in Iraq*, and, learning that, the left has shifted the goalpost yet again: Originally, you weren’t allowed to have a pro-war opinion unless you’d served.
Now, you’re not allowed to have a pro-war opinion unless you *are actually on base, in theatre, right now*, in which case you’re just part of the Pentagon’s propaganda machine, so your opinion doesn’t count.
That’s just an extension of the “if you didn’t serve on the exact same boat as John Kerry, you aren’t allowed to have an opinion”.
Of course, the fact that not a single one of them has ever served as President should prove (by that same logic) they aren’t permitted to have an opinion on the kind of job Bush is doing.
Consistency has never been much of a strong suit with liberals, though…
I think it just comes down to the sad fact that liberals hate America, which in turn entails hating the military as well.
Could you, in good conscience, sign up for four years or more for the military, when you do not trust the wisdom, judgement, or honesty of the administration that would control your fate?
Yes. In fact, I DID just such a thing.
Really? That’s pretty amazing to me.
To me it’s a question of trust, not bravery or patriotism or anything else. If we can’t trust our leadership to make intelligent decisions and act wisely, there’s just no way I’m going to put myself in that can of worms. If you didn’t have a problem with that...that’s your business.
If you want to turn military service into a question of patriotism or bravery, then weed the corruption and cronyism out of the Republican government. Until they can be trusted, can you blame people like me for not wanting to trust them with our lives? There will always be politicians eager to start wars, and businessmen eager to profit from them, but every time a politician announces a war doesn’t make it a test of patriotism or bravery if people don’t want to jump on that particular bandwagon.
Can you, in you craven fashion, be grown-up enough to admit that your cowardly ways are the only thing keeping you from enlisting in any sort of public service whatsoever, whether military, Peace Corps, or any type of NGO charity, and that, subsequently, you are not worthy to suck the scum from the sole of the boots of a real hero?
Hmm...spent several years teaching English to refugees...that count? I have a great deal of ‘public service’, but I thought you were talking about the military.
I don’t need to prove anything to YOU, Drumwanker, but I find it funny how for you everything comes down to some test of bravery, and you yell coward at anybody you disagree with. Have you just been in the 7th grade for a few decades now? Doesn’t it strike you as a little immature to still be spouting that crap? Don’t we have the right to disagree when it comes to political policies?
Because it seems to me like all a president has to do is launch a war and guys like you will jump in the truck yelling ‘Whoo hooo!’ and calling everyone who has a different opinion about it traitors and cowards. Well, I suppose in every war in the world there are guys like you...but it’s still kind of sad. Dictators love guys like you...you’re their bread and butter.
Iraq wasn’t necessary, and if we really needed to invade someone besides Afghanistan to get to the roots of terrorism, it seems pretty fucking obvious to me, and I suspect even to people like you (though you’d never admit it) that Saudi Arabia was the place to go. Who flew planes into buildings? Sure as hell wasn’t the Iraqis, was it…
Of course, the Bushs and Saudis go way back, and they’ve all made a shitload of money from each other, and the web of political and financial connections run very deep between the two...so obviously we aren’t going to be invading Saudi Arabia, and it’s okay that they are still financing terrorism, that they are still training extremists from an early age to hate America, and that if the roots of 9/11 are to be found anywhere at all, it is in Saudi Arabia, and sure as hell was never in Iraq.
You don’t really have the right to yell coward at anyone who doesn’t want to fight for this government...the stink from its corruption rises higher than the smoke from the WTC on 9/11 ever did.
And I suspect even right-wingers like you understand that, though you’d never admit it when there are liberals around...you’re like women who just won’t say certain things when men are in the room. But you know it nevertheless.
but every time a politician announces a war doesn’t make it a test of patriotism or bravery
So stop asking everyone to go sign up.
weed the corruption and cronyism out of the Republican government
There’s corruption in Democrat’s government too. If we don’t ever fight wars til there’s no corruption, we would have never been born because our ancestors would have been killed long ago from inaction.
Who flew planes into buildings?
Surely you know that OBL was kicked out of Saudi Arabia quite some time ago and has been pissed at them almost as long as he’s been pissed at the US? The Kingdom has been fighting terrorism, yeah I agree not as well as they should but a damn sight better than Saddam was.
All presidents have had a working relationship with the Saudi government, but then Michael Moore failed to mention that.
Really? That’s pretty amazing to me.
So is the sunrise, but color me not surprised.
I don’t need to prove anything to YOU, Drumwanker,
Which is why I call you a liar. You make assertions that are not true, you get called a liar. Strange how that works, ain’t it?
You don’t really have the right to yell coward at anyone who doesn’t want to fight for this government…
Um, yeah, I do. Why? Because I HAVE been there and done that, just like you claim that I needed to be in order to express an opinion. By your logic, YOU are the one who isn’t entitled to an opinion.
Oh, and another reason is because you never enlisted at all. Not just under “this” government, by the way, it’s the fact that you never enlisted even under Clinton that I call you a coward.
and they’ve all made a shitload of money from each other,
Oh, those evil businessmen! How DARE they be successful!?!
You’re a fucking moron.
and sure as hell was never in Iraq.
Amazing how liberals are the only ones who have claimed a connection between 9/11 and Iraq, isn’t it?
Lemme ask you, just to see if you have been paying attention…
Q: What was the first nation invaded after Pearl Harbor?
A: Tunisia, in North Africa (opposed by French troops, but thats another issue).
Q: What connection did Africa have with a war that started in mid-Pacific?
A: It was part of a larger strategy.
THINK, you stupid fuck. Comprehend the analogy.
So William, suppose Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton were to win the 2008 election, do you think the country would be better off? why, or why not? What is your ideal government leaning, as well as the US’ place in the world?
Oh Gawd. This ‘tard is writing with a Fahrenheit 9/11 font isn’t he?
There’s corruption in Democrat’s government too.
Until you’ve lived in Illinois, you have no idea.
If we don’t ever fight wars til there’s no corruption, we would have never been born because our ancestors would have been killed long ago from inaction.
Those who don’t take up arms to defend their values are promptly killed by those who do. This is the “Patrick Stewart Philosophy” of space exploration applied to warfare: Stewart believes we shouldn’t colonize other worlds because ours is not perfect. Similarly…
suppose Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton were to win the 2008 election,
Which, leave us not forget, would be giving Bill another shot at the White House intern pool, without all the pressure from the Press Corps.
Yes. Let’s invade Saudi Arabia and fuck the world’s oil supply. Good call.
Until you’ve lived in Illinois, you have no idea
I’m on the red side of Michigan. We have stinkin Granholm-D for governor and she sucks big time. With 2006, after all this time she’s had in office, what with all the corporations that have left Michigan and all the taxes she’s put on cigs and what-not, NOW she’s talking about “we need jobs here blah blah”. What a maroon.
Oh and I’m sure Saudi backed our going into Iraq. Lord knows they want some help with supplying us with oil and stuff. /sarcasm
Insurgents in Iraq Go on Killing Spree
OT but the headline came out and grabbed me. It’s so tabloid! You would expect the AP to be a little subtle.
I think we have to accept that more people are dying in Iraq now than would have been had Saddam been left in power. They’re dying in just as horrific ways as well.
I’m on the red side of Michigan. We have stinkin Granholm-D for governor and she sucks big time.
Oh dear God, I’m truly sorry.
Granholm’s jobs “plan” involved an Orwellian declaration to the effect of… “We aren’t going to allow people to just say ‘I want to be an English teacher’ anymore, we’re going to say ‘this is what we need in this area and we’re going to train you for it’.”
*shudder*
I think we have to accept that more people are dying in Iraq now than would have been had Saddam been left in power. They’re dying in just as horrific ways as well.
The UN’s data contradicts that theory by a factor of about 40%. Plus, their data includes dead insurgents, a huge number of which aren’t Iraqis.
However, to hear the media tell it, you’d think so, especially since they were strangely quiet about all the dead people *before* the war.
I meant people killed by Saddam under his state-police etc. Mass graves from the Iran-Iraq war etc should not be counted in this instance seeing as we’re talking about the regime as it was when we invaded. Unless it was about to off 1200+ people in one go.
Look at it this way, how many people died in Iraq in violation of Human Rights, each year from 1996-2005 say. And how many are dying now, excluding terrorists, in Iraq every year now, on average?
Hang, on how can you tell a dead terrorist apart from a dead civilian?
(I’m not denying the long run, big picture when the terrorists are largely defeated at last, I’m simply talking about the here and now)
Uh huh...from right-wingers I hear a lot of “I support the war (but won’t go fight myself)!”, “I support Bush (but won’t go fight myself)!”, “I support the war (but want lower taxes)!” and a lot of other BS that sounds pretty lame from you bunch of wankers.
Kinda like how you lefties want the government to pay for school, housing, medical care, and ten thousand other social programs, and then expect someone else to pay for them.
This is the latest civilian count from Iraq herself. Don’t know if it helps.
Look at it this way, how many people died in Iraq in violation of Human Rights, each year from 1996-2005 say. And how many are dying now, excluding terrorists, in Iraq every year now, on average?
I think the estimate for post-Gulf War Iraq is something on the order of 30,000-60,000/year, as much of the death was caused by Saddam’s Mugabe-style willful theft of food and medicine from the people. By contrast, the UN’s guess for a year or so of post war Iraq is 24,000, including insurgents, although the insurgents admittedly stepped up their attacks on civilians in the next year.
In other words, if you used a really conservative estimate of those killed under Saddam and a very liberal one of those killed now, it might be close, but I think when you get to the bottom of the numbers, there are tens of thousands of people who are alive today who would otherwise be dead.
Next time William4 demands, say spending more money on education or healthcare, we should demand he become a teacher or doctor and then he can comment.
In fact, let’s ignore him until he becomes a sentator.
I think the estimate for post-Gulf War Iraq is something on the order of 30,000-60,000/year
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Tell the truth, I didn’t think it would be that high. I guess I stand corrected.
senator…
Tell the truth, I didn’t think it would be that high. I guess I stand corrected.
Depending on who you ask, the “internationalist” policy of “isolation” combined with the embezzling of the oil-for-food program added up to anywhere from 300,000-1,000,000 dead Iraqis from 1991-2003, an inordinate number being children.
But hey, Iraq was just fine and we should’ve left things the way they were!
Hang, on how can you tell a dead terrorist apart from a dead civilian?
If they are holding a gun and pointing it at our soldiers, chances are better than even that they are a terrorist. If they are not, then they are in no danger from our troops.
Yet, the simple fact that you can make that argument shows that the terrorists are violating the Geneva Accords that everyone else is demanding that WE obey down to the letter of the Law. Go read Sanctuary.
It sucks now but at least someday it will be better. I believe the Iraqis want that, and for that reason it shall be so.
Kill a terrorist. Let him find out what living with seventy women is REALLY like…
Serves ‘em right. >:)
That Sanctuary essay is fabulous.
I don’t need to prove anything to YOU, Drumwanker,
Which is why I call you a liar. You make assertions that are not true, you get called a liar. Strange how that works, ain’t it?
I make assertions that you can check out...since I’m on public computers, I don’t have the luxury of spending a lot of time looking up websites and articles. You have a problem with that, talk to Lee, who unjustly banned me for something I didn’t do and isn’t man enough to unban me. By ‘prove’ I meant that I don’t have to prove any kind of bravery or patriotism or anything else to your ridiculous standards.
You don’t really have the right to yell coward at anyone who doesn’t want to fight for this government…
Um, yeah, I do. Why? Because I HAVE been there and done that, just like you claim that I needed to be in order to express an opinion. By your logic, YOU are the one who isn’t entitled to an opinion.
I never claimed you needed to have been there to express an opinion. Never. That wasn’t and isn’t my ‘logic’, but it does show how you interpret everything completely differently than the person wrote it. However, you ‘do’ have the right to call anybody anything you want...naturally, freedom of speech and all...again, being on a public computer I can’t spend as much time writing as carefully as I would like, so I should have used another phrase than ‘you don’t have the right’. My apologies.
What was the first nation invaded after Pearl Harbor?
A: Tunisia, in North Africa (opposed by French troops, but thats another issue).
Q: What connection did Africa have with a war that started in mid-Pacific?
A: It was part of a larger strategy.
I’ve heard right-wingers try to connect this situation to WWII before, but it doesn’t fly. You might need to believe that to make you feel better about the big mistakes this administration has made, and the number of soldiers that have died for nothing because of it, but this is not WWII, and the ‘larger strategy’ is bullshit.
I make assertions that you can check out…
It’s not my job to do your homework. Everything you have said so far has either been unbased assertions or immediately disproved. You are a liar, unless and until YOU can prove otherwise.
I’ve heard right-wingers try to connect this situation to WWII before, but it doesn’t fly.
Why not? A global conflict which was begun by the members of an extreme ideology, whose partners decided to start attacking America in little ways, then in one big attack, at which point the US starts actively fighting back, rather than just giving assistance to the nations on the front lines?
The only difference is that those on the other side of this current conflict are not wearing uniforms. But that violation of the Geneva Accords on their side is never mentioned by those on the left, while every implied violation of every single one of them is immediately touted on world-wide front page headlines, whether they are actually true or not.
Last time, the media understood that “loose lips sink ships”. This time, they are actively looking for just such an occurrence. They’d have probably gotten one if this weren’t almost exclusively a land war.
but every time a politician announces a war doesn’t make it a test of patriotism or bravery
So stop asking everyone to go sign up.
Sorry. With support for the war falling, recruitment down even as the Army and Marines offer bigger bonuses, you right-wingers who support this war should be encouraging your friends and relatives to sign up. After all, you wanted to go down this path...the rest of us didn’t, so you should take some of the burden of filling empty boots.
There’s corruption in Democrat’s government too. If we don’t ever fight wars til there’s no corruption, we would have never been born because our ancestors would have been killed long ago from inaction.
There will be some corruption in every government, and every political party. What we are seeing right now in this government is a level of corruption not seen since Nixon, and it’s probably much higher than that. And then there is the incompetence.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fight wars. Obviously, we needed to go into Afghanistan. Nothing in my post said we shouldn’t fight wars until there is no corruption. Another case of a right-winger reading their own interpretation into it and coming up with something I never said. Iraq is a different story, which is why half the population doesn’t support it, and over half feels it wasn’t worth it.
Surely you know that OBL was kicked out of Saudi Arabia quite some time ago and has been pissed at them almost as long as he’s been pissed at the US? The Kingdom has been fighting terrorism, yeah I agree not as well as they should but a damn sight better than Saddam was.
Yeah, and because they kicked OBL out, that means he had no ties at all to a family with hundreds of cousins and other extended family, worth millions, spread around the world. Yeah. Oh, Saudi Arabia has been fighting terrorism? Better than Saddam was? Seems to me neither was doing much about it at all...but that doesn’t justify invading a country that was no threat to us. Or mismanaging the occupation.
All presidents have had a working relationship with the Saudi government, but then Michael Moore failed to mention that.
No doubt...but not all presidents have watched the Twin Towers fall at the hands of a group of terrorists that was over 75% Saudi, and then given them a free pass and attacked the country next door that had nothing to do with it.
Uh huh...from right-wingers I hear a lot of “I support the war (but won’t go fight myself)!”, “I support Bush (but won’t go fight myself)!”, “I support the war (but want lower taxes)!” and a lot of other BS that sounds pretty lame from you bunch of wankers.
Kinda like how you lefties want the government to pay for school, housing, medical care, and ten thousand other social programs, and then expect someone else to pay for them.
We want some of those things, true...for practical reasons because they make the country stronger and better. But you have this weird idea that we ‘expect someone else to pay for them’. Excuse me, I pay taxes, I pay for these things too. Don’t be such a right-winger that you lose your ability to think and reason.
Education: pay for it now and develop a mind, or pay for years of prison at three times the price. Your choice. Health care: pay for preventative, regular care and keep people more productive longer, or pay for their emergency care at three times the price, and lose their productivity as well. Your choice. Conservatives have an ideology, but their ideas simply don’t work in practice.
It’s not my job to do your homework. Everything you have said so far has either been unbased assertions or immediately disproved. You are a liar, unless and until YOU can prove otherwise.
What have I said that has been “immediately disproved”? I’m curious. You should look up the word ‘liar’. I don’t think it means what you think it means, since you consistently use it incorrectly.
Why not? A global conflict which was begun by the members of an extreme ideology, whose partners decided to start attacking America in little ways, then in one big attack, at which point the US starts actively fighting back, rather than just giving assistance to the nations on the front lines?
The American people supported this president in going after the people directly involved in the 9/11 attack. They did not give him free rein to launch a global war in the way you folks seem to think of it. Terrorism is a fact of life, that other countries have lived with for decades. It is a tactic, nothing more. The neocons made a big mistake going into Iraq, which had little or nothing to do with Al Qaeda or terrorism...and all Iraq has done is give a lesson to our enemies how a small and impoverished country can tie down and humiliate a superpower. Good job.
The only difference is that those on the other side of this current conflict are not wearing uniforms. But that violation of the Geneva Accords on their side is never mentioned by those on the left, while every implied violation of every single one of them is immediately touted on world-wide front page headlines, whether they are actually true or not.
So, you think that because our enemies don’t stick by the rules of an agreement they never signed, we should not stick by the rules of an agreement which we DID sign? America’s word means nothing, eh? We should adopt the tactics of our enemies, and become just like them...that’s the way to win, in your mind? If we truly represent a higher standard, as we say, then we should be prepared to be held to that higher standard, and not have a problem with it, don’t you think?
Last time, the media understood that “loose lips sink ships”. This time, they are actively looking for just such an occurrence. They’d have probably gotten one if this weren’t almost exclusively a land war.
Sounds like a good reason not to launch a war on false pretenses, then. The media’s job is to report on what happens, not to just regurgitate the government’s propaganda or the military’s. That’s something right-wingers consistently fail to get when they complain about ‘the media’...that isn’t not the media’s job to be the government’s mouthpiece, but rather the government’s watchdog. It’s failed in that job, bigtime, but still...it seems like rightwingers just want to live in a world where the government is always right, and the media always backs them up. You should know better than that.
Drumwaster: I was talking about in the aftermath. When you go to see how many have died - especially with those who all ready have an agenda, going out and recording how many civlians have died. A civilian and a terrorist, bar a weapon by his side, look alike. How many terrorists have been recored as civilians?
What have I said that has been “immediately disproved”?
Everything. Re-read the entry, because you obviously missed some stuff.
You should look up the word ‘liar’. I don’t think it means what you think it means, since you consistently use it incorrectly.
You write untruthful and inaccurate statements, I call you a ‘liar’. Sounds pretty much dead on to me.
The American people supported this president in going after the people directly involved in the 9/11 attack.
“Terrorists and the nations supporting them.” Maybe you need to spend a little of that public computer time looking up what Bush actually said, too.
They did not give him free rein to launch a global war in the way you folks seem to think of it.
Bush didn’t launch it. The Islamofascists did. (Amazing how quickly libtards forget History, isn’t it?)
Terrorism is a fact of life, that other countries have lived with for decades. It is a tactic, nothing more.
That’s very true. It is a use of para-military force by people who have a social/religious/political agenda. It is the power of that agenda we need to cut off, and the terror acts will drop of their own accord.
The neocons made a big mistake going into Iraq, which had little or nothing to do with Al Qaeda or terrorism…
Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism? With a mindset like that, I don’t even know why I’m wasting my time with you, because you are obviously too stupid to understand the realities of the situation.
The media’s job is to report on what happens, not to just regurgitate the government’s propaganda or the military’s.
So bad news is required to be reported, but good news is just “propaganda”? No wonder you are such a fucking moron.
If we truly represent a higher standard, as we say, then we should be prepared to be held to that higher standard, and not have a problem with it, don’t you think?
You really need to read Sanctuary. Maybe you’ll learn something. I don’t hold out much hope, though.
How many terrorists have been recored as civilians?
According to some anti-war sites, all of them have. (I even remember one death blamed on the Americans. It was an Iraqi in his 70’s who died of a heart attack in a town far from any fighting.)
(I even remember one death blamed on the Americans. It was an Iraqi in his 70’s who died of a heart attack in a town far from any fighting.)
figures.
Yeah, huh. The argument made defending the inclusion (when I mentioned it at the time) was that “he wouldn’t have had the heart attack if it weren’t for the stress of having armed Americans all over the country”.
Blinkblink
I just wish I could sentence some of these libtards to a forced reading of Bill Whittle’s stuff.
He has a book out you know.
I own it. (Asked for it as a Christmas present from my Democratic daughter. Gave her a copy of Ann Coulter’s book in return. LOL)
Democrat daughter?
What went wrong? The VRWC is not happy with thee. Why are you wasting time hanging out on right-wing blogs? You have a daughter to convert!
*shrug* Rebellion of youth. (The grandson is a Republican so it evens out.)
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it, on vaccation and low of battery to read all the posts, but arn’t you suppose to remove you shoes before you enter a mosque? Could it be a photoshop photo?
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