Adventure is worthwhile - Aesop
Sunday, September 17, 2006
Despite the insistence of many people that opposition to torture is a liberal/conservative issue, I don’t think it is. I think that it’s basically a function of authoritarianism more than anything else, though undoubtedly numerous people reading this will disagree. This email, I think, sums it up nicely.
Hey Lee.
I’ve been reading your blog for awhile now, and I just have to say, you’re right on with telling some of these so-called “conservatives” to go fuck themselves re: Bush/torture. I don’t consider myself “conservative”, and I didn’t vote for Bush either in 2000 or 2004 (abstained both times...), but I am a strong supporter of both the War on Terror generally and the war in Iraq in specific. Sadly, I think the Bush Administration has let this country down as far as national security goes. While the Democrats don’t even bother to talk the talk on the war, the Republicans talk the talk, but when push comes to shove, they’ve consistently failed to prepare adequately for the conditions in Iraq and, as you, Andrew Sullivan, and many others have pointed out, have more or less ceded the moral high ground in this conflict with this sickening dithering regarding the use of torture.
If conservatism still meant what it originally meant—small government, individualism, and free market (though I’m far from a fundamentalist on that particular point), I might feel comfortable calling myself a “conservative” of sorts. However, as you’ve stated many times on your blog, conservatism in this country, at least as embodied by the Republican Party, has become little more than a Christian Socialist movement, and someone such as myself --who believes that there’s really nothing wrong with most drugs, has no problem with what people do in their own bedrooms, doesn’t give two squirts of piss if Janet Jackson showed her nipple on TV, and who views rubbish such as “intelligent design” as little more than thinly-veiled attempts to circumvent the separation of Church and State—obviously has no place whatsoever in such a movement, regardless one their stand on individualism and small government.
All of that, of course, is leaving out the instant disqualification one receives for believing that George W. Bush and his administration aren’t the leaders this country—and the Western world—need at this point in history, as you well know. In some ways it seems reminiscent of the way that one cannot be a “liberal” in this country without believing that Bush is a terrorist and that the War in Iraq is analogous to the German invasion of Poland in 1939.
The Kos-Kidz like to throw around the phrase “rubber-stamp Republican,” and I think the term is actually reasonably descriptive of a lot of so-called conservative Republicans. It’s refreshing to actually see conservatives like you and Andrew Sullivan who refuse to allow yourselves to get sucked into mindless partisanship and stand up for that most important of “conservative” values—individualism. So view this e-mail as something of a “fuck yeah!”
-Vincent
wordvirus.blogspot.com
There are two ways to view this. The first is that, because a liberal agrees with my position, this is evidence that I’ve abandoned conservatism and I’m some kind of crypto-leftist. The second is that the idea that conservatives would support this kind of authoritarian empowering of the state is so foreign to the actual message of conservatism—individualism, limited government, etc.—that the only people who oppose it are liberals, libertarians, and classic conservatives.
I believe it is the latter. I have no doubt whatsoever that most of you will believe it is the former. It’s a lot easier to swallow than admitting to yourself that you’re supporting something antithetical to your own beliefs.
Thursday, March 02, 2006
Written by some jerk appropriately named “OhBoy.Stupidity!” in the comments to this post.
The writer of this blog has a very poor understanding of Politics. You contribute to MOOREWATCH. You remember MM, right, the guy who sat next to Jimmy Carter at the DNC and yet you claim you can’t see the difference between Bush and Kerry/Gore. Uh, okay.
Okay, stupid. Nowhere did I say that there was no difference between Bush and Gore/Kerry. What I did say, and what I have said repeatedly, is that the people who claim that they support Bush because he’s a conservative who cares about national security are fucking delusional, because he’s not a conservative and his record on national security is spotty at best.
Peter King is up for Re-election, is he not? If he really cared about US ports, which he does not, he would have raised the objection, say SIX MONTHS AGO when the deal was first announced. Funny how China is evil when connected to Wal-Mart, yet China operates a bunch of ports in CA. (crickets, crickets, tumbleweeds blowing...)
When did you hear me complaining about China or WalMart? And as far as objections being raised, there are a number of prominent people who have been raising the alarm about port security ever since 9/11, but we haven’t hardly done jack shit about it. I guess that’s not Bush’s fault either, huh?
Whether the UAE thing a good deal or not, I have no idea. AND NEITHER DO YOU. All I know is that a great deal of US ports are already populated by foreign companies. That the UAE has become an issue is strictly political, nothing more. In fact, it’s probably good that UAE will run some ports because those ports will be scrutizined beyond belief. If we all heard a Bulgarian co. was running some port operations, the nation would have collectively shrugged as it continued to watch American Idol.
Now, call me crazy, but I don’t recall any Bulgarians flying planes into the WTC. I don’t have any recollection of Bulgaria’s president threatening to wipe Israel off the map. Bulgaria doesn’t have an active nuclear weapons program, nor does it have a recent history of supporting Al Qaeda. So, gee whiz, you’ll have to forgive me if I might want to pay a little extra attention to an Arabic nation taking control of who runs a lot of our ports. (Or course, any true patriotic American would never question Dear Leader. He is wise and benevolant and knows all.)
Now, that being said, I agree that the ports issue is becoming politicized. There are as-yet undiscovered tribes in the heart of the Peruvian jungle who could have told you that this was going to turn into a highly politicized issue. So why, in the name of Christ, didn’t the Bush administration prepare itself for that eventuality? As I have read more about the issue I’m far less concerned with a UAE company running some of the port terminals than I am with the overall piss poor security situation that we see at our nation’s ports. What I object to is the totally inept, incompetent, unpresidential way that Bush handled this whole issue. This could have been an opportunity to present himself as a master of statecraft, and he ended up looking like a petulant little boy with his “I’ll veto it!” threat. (Like he’s ever going to veto anything.)
Dude, read a history book if you think Iraq is some sort of hellish zone of Guerilla warfare. Please tell me how a regular Army can stop idiots from strapping bombs to themselves. Yeah, I know Bush didn’t have a PLAN. Because after all, a PLAN solves everything in life. How do you or anyone else know what the PLAN was or wasn’t?
How many foreign fighters have come into Iraq from Iran and Syria? Why wasn’t securing the border one of the highest priorities after the fall of Baghdad? Where do you think these “idiots” who make the IEDs which kill and maim our troops get their training and materiel from, out of the fucking air? As I said before, the total lack of any workable postwar plan has turned a conflict which should have taken 2 years and 2,000 lives and made it one which will take ten years and 10,000 lives. But keep deluding yourself if you think things are all going according to plan. (Never question Dear Leader!)
And praytell, Dear Blogger, how many times has your site been hacked and you’ve had to change URLs. WHAT INCOMPETENCE! Where’s your plan, dude? The Plan! The Plan!
This is probably the dumbest comment I’ve ever read on this site. Seriously.
Hussein wouldn’t be on trial, tax rates would be higher, your Doctor would be employed by the Fed. Govt., the estate tax would be going full steam ahead, Syria would still be in Lebanon, Salman Pak and Ramadi would still be home to terror training camps, there would be no talk of privatizing SS (at least the issue was put on the table; it’s better than nothing).
Hussein would still be in power, this is true. Tax rates would be higher, but that’s going to happen eventually, thanks to Bush’s neo-socialist spending, which far eclipsed that of Clinton. (In fact, I’d be willing to bet that if Gore or Kerry had been elected, spending would be A FRACTION of what it has been under Bush because of the Republican Congress.) The estate tax: repealing it is a good idea, but I’m not going to wood up over it like it’s some major victory. Salman Pak and Ramadi are no longer training terrorists, this is true; now they’ve got the whole country. And Bush, because of how weak he is due to his sheer ineptitude in everything else he has attempted, took a perfectly solid idea like SS reform and pissed it away because he couldn’t sell it. This is Bush’s biggest problem, he doesn’t understand that he has to market himself and his ideas. Clinton knew this, so did Reagan. Bush just asks Jesus if it’s cool, and if Jesus gives him the thumb’s up he does it without thinking of the consequences.
BushBots-- you, Dear Blogger, are a SullivanBot. The whole tenor and tone of this blog changed the day you hyperventilated after A.S. gave you a link. Can Bush simply be wrong instead of GROSSLY, INSANELY, MINDBOGGLINGLY INCOMPETENT. Who knows all the behind the scenes stuff that goes on that we’ll never know about that go into decision-making.
Sullivan has linked to me maybe ten times. Which link are you talking about? I want to note the exact moment when I turned to the dark side. It’s interesting, though. You act like a comparison with Andrew Sullivan is a bad thing. I happen to agree with a lot of what he says. It was mainly his blog that got me into blogging in the first place. He’s a small-government conservative, socially moderate-to-liberal, who believes in an activist foreign policy, spreading democracy, and confronting Islamofascism head-on. You find this unappealing why? Because he has a little man-poo on the head of his dick? Because he dares, as do I, to call Bush a fucking incompetent moron when he acts like one? Compare me to Sully all you like, I’m not going to be offended. You , my friend, are a Bush-worshipping drone, who interprets any legitimate criticism of Dear Leader as being some kind of attack on America itself. “You think Bush could have handled Katrina better? Well, comrade, why don’t you just wipe your ass on the Constitution!”
Bush and the SD abortion ban-- Bush is against the law in its current form. Is that sound I hear the sound of Bush angering the religious right? I don’t get it. I thought Bush’s PLAN was to always curry favor with the RR. Why won’t Bush follow the plan?
When Bush comes out against a ban on abortion I’ll kiss your ass. I’m sure there’s some miniscule provision of the law he doesn’t like, and as soon as they fix it he’l be right on board. And when he does, you’ll no doubt be there, batting your eyelids at him like a fawning schoolgirl, wondering how some ignorant blogger could ever question his brilliance.
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Monday, October 10, 2005
Damn, it’s been a while since I got some honest, dyed-in-the-wool, barking moonbat hate mail!
From: Dave Handy [rhodeislandrevolutionary@gmail.com]
To: Lee
Subject: (none)
STOP USING THE FUCKING HAMMER AND SICKLE YOU GAS GUZZLING, IRAQI KILLING, ENVIRONMENT DESTROYING, REPUBLICAN BASTARD! You know Nothing of it! Open your eyes! its a symbol of the Left, not a right.
Okay, if I’m reading this correctly, Dave is actually offended that I’m using his beloved hammer and sickle in an incorrect manner.
Wednesday, September 07, 2005
Here’s an email from someone heading down to help.
Longtime reader, first time e-mailer - although I have left a comment from time to time. I wanted to let you know that my ANG unit (146th Airlift Control Flight at Channel Islands, Oxnard) has FINALLY been activated to assist with Katrina relief efforts. I’ve been complaining for the better part of the last week that we should have been on the ground there the minute the winds died down.
As a caveat, I will say that Arnold and the Sacramento weenies activated 2 C-130’s with associated air crews last Wednesday, so it wasn’t a total “hurry up and wait” effort on their part - however, two planes and two aircrews is pretty lame if you ask me.
Everything you’ve said regarding the government response to this disaster has been dead on. I’m an old squid like you, but joined the Air Guard after 9/11, partially because I missed being in the military, but also because the Guard (Iraq aside) is here for just these types of emergencies - helping Americans. We have the equipment, we have the planes, we have the people, but we’ve been sitting around for the better apart of a week with our collective thumbs up our collective butts waiting for someone to decide that we were needed.
Keep up the good work - I’ll be in Houston for at least the next two weeks, so I’ll check in from time to time to let you know how things are from that perspective. Lastly, I really need to make time to hook up with you and the other LA-area readers the next time you have a weekend drunk fest!
We really do need to get a weekend drunk fest going sometime soon. We should do the Reagan library one day, then go out partying that night in Hollywood or something.
I’ve gotten a few emails like this one lately, believe it or not.
Lee,
I thought I should write to encourage you to stay strong in the face of criticism.
It is one thing for conservatives to defend those of similar ideologies from the non-stop lunacy that comes from the Left that sadly passes for political debate these days. However, it is another thing entirely to consider all criticism of certain conservative figures, no matter how legitimate, to be unacceptable. It is far worse to imply that a conservative criticizing another conservative is tantamount to heresy.
I fear that some of your readers are becoming exactly like the Hollywood liberals that we so enjoy mocking. People like Andrew Sullivan and yourself should not be derided. You should be highlighted as shining examples of what separates the conservative side of the blogosphere from the liberal side.
I always used to think that this was what distinguished the conservative side from the liberal side, but the way the shock troops have circled the wagons to attack anyone who dares suggest the idea that the system broke down on Bush’s watch, well, it’s made me rethink that position.
Monday, August 29, 2005
Just received this one.
From: joeyblong@frontiernet.net
To: lee
WHAT KIND OF PATHETIC PUSSY DOESN’T ALLOW PEOPLE TO FREELY LEAVE COMMENTS? LOL
I started making people register to post specifically because the trolling was so bad it was making any kind of regular discussion all but impossible. You know, trolling by people like this asshole, spewing insults written in all caps.
Wednesday, June 29, 2005
Well, it’s more of a Hate Comment, from this post, from some jackoff named Rumbear.
Lee,
You are an insolent prick. (no emphamsis added) I have read your drival for far to long. I am confident that you will brand me a kool-aid drinking Bushite and delete my tome post haste, hell, you have done that when I have disagreed with you in the past! (Hey, where are my balls!) [ed note: look closely at your crotch!] So be it! You can put whatever label you want on your views...the short answer is...you have no intelligent comment lest some one else take a stand. You are content to lurk in the BUSHES (like Jesse J.!) until you can spew your venom and sound like an erudite overeducated asshole...which you are quick to deny...your not! (Whew! There’s a breath of fresh air!!) Fuck yu! (Hey, The Chinese version!) Serve your master on some other connection ...I’m outta here! “Vote GOP in 2006! Woo hoo!” KISS MY HAIRY ASS! I"M BETTING THAT YOU WILL BE PULLING THAT LEVER for REPUBLICAN IN 06 AND BITCHIN YOUR SCROTUM OFF ON THIS BLOG THEREAFTER!!! Fuck you and good nite! Let the spam begin...............
Why do people who flame me always accuse me of deleting their comments? I virtually never delete comments, primarily because I prefer to leave people’s idiocy up for all to see, then use it to make fun of them. Like this douchebag.
For the record, 2006 is an off-year election. There isn’t a chance in hell of a Republican winning a Senate seat, so I will be voting Libertarian, a party who has as much chance of winning an election in this state as the GOP.
Sunday, May 29, 2005
From a (non) reader named Diane.
“there is nothing wrong with California that a massive earthquake wouldn’t fix”
You might reconsider the wisdom of such a juvenile, thoughtless remark. I am sure I’m not the first person who who has followed a link to your site, saw that comment and decided not to read your blog. I am doing you a favor in taking the time to tell you how simple-minded it makes you look.
Have a safe day,
Diane
My response: Diane, let me put it this way. If you think that is juvenile and thoughtless, you wouldn’t like my blog anyway.
Regarding this post, I just received an email from some lawyer.
To “Lee” of “Right Thinking from the Left Coast:
Before commenting on a court case, it might be a good idea to read the case on which you are commenting. Koebke v. Bernardo Heights Country Club is not a case about the 14th Amendment at all. Koebke is about California Civil Code Section 51, also known as the “Unruh Civil Rights Act”. The California Supreme Court has granted review of the following questions:
1. Does California’s Unruh Civil Rights Act prohibit discrimination based on marital status?
2. Does the Unruh Civil Rights Act’s prohibition of sexual orientation and sex discrimination bar a business establishment from choosing to provide benefits to only those couples who are legally married, so long as California does not allow same-sex couples ot marry?
Nor had the Court of Appeals decided this case based on the 14th Amendment; that court addressed the petitioner’s claims under the Unruh Act and also under San Diego Municipal Code Section 52.9601, et seq.
I recommend that you disclose that you (apparently) wrote your commentary without actually taking the time to read that case you were talking about, read it, and start over.
My response: Dude, lighten up. I wrote my post based on the article I read. I’m not a lawyer. You, obviously, have a stick up your ass about this subject. I don’t need to disclose anything because nobody expects me to read the case because (gasp!) I’m not a lawyer. Whatever the legal justification, 14th Amendment or otherwise, I think my point stands. If a lesbian is granted the right to have her girlfriend use the club, then it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that some guy is eventually going to file a lawsuit claiming that he is being discriminated against because he is not permitted to have his unmarried female girlfriend use the facilities.
I recommend that you remove the stick from your ass and realize that this is a blog, and not a court of law. Lighten up, Francis.
Tuesday, May 03, 2005
It’s been quite some time since I got any real hate mail.
To: Lee
From: iac2881 iac2881@terra.com.br
Subject: Americans
Hi,Guys!
I’m from Brazil and after the II Iraq War all, here in my country, thinks that “Good Amerivans are Dead Americans”.
I personally agreed.
And, finally, I wish inform all of you that for every GI dead in Iraq, I open a cold beer. But, friends, don’t die too fast I’m getting drunk.
Bye, Bye!
Happy Al-Qeda!
What would the world do without Brazil? We’d have to get most of our hookers from some other third-world South American shithole.
Sunday, April 03, 2005
Here’s another email from a reader named Dave.
Lee,
I’ve been a casual reader of your site for, oh, a couple years now, and I just wanted to say that it’s nice to see (what I consider anyway) a true Republican standing his ground on the weathered blogging frontier.
While I consider myself fairly religious, I’ve been getting more and more upset at the GOP for letting itself be taken over by zealots. Not just any zealots either, but insane-o backwards zealots. I mean, while I agree with some (and I stress some) of their views, I realize that many people do not, and hence, those views should *not* be part of the Government system. When did this happen? I certainly don’t recall it being this way under Bush Sr., or even Clinton. Can you pinpoint when the tides switched?
Sure they (supposedly) carry a ton of votes, but it makes me wonder why the GOP is bending over backwards to deliver their party to them on a silver platter. I mean, let’s be serious, do you see a southern Baptist voting for Clinton? Or Kerry? Would they compromise their beliefs just to spite the GOP? I doubt it. (But then again, they are a bunch of vengeful fuckers)
This is going to be an interesting time in politics I tell you. Both the Democratic and Republican parties have made serious mistakes which have alienated many of their youth voters. Both parties have sold-out in an attempt to get votes. In hindsight the Democratic Party should have run Dean. He actually had concrete views that actually represented the party. But instead they ran a guy who no one in the party liked. It could have been forgivable if he won, because then they would at least have a sense of victory. But now they just feel dirty. (And I can’t tell you how good that feels too). And the Republican party should realize that its heart is in the right place, but its head is straight up its ass.
I see both the Libertarian and Green parties growing. Whether they will become the dominate parties, or if they just get assimilated by the current parties is yet to be seen. But hold tight man, I see things getting better.
But they’re probably going to get worse first.
Anyway, this email has gone on long enough. I figured every little bit of support helps.
Dave.
Thanks Dave. And there’s actually a pretty simple answer to your question. President Bush is not a popular president among the general population, and is utterly despised by probably a good third of Americans. So, going into this last election we had a polarized America, with the left pulling out all the stops to defeat Bush, even running a weak candidate like Kerry. Rove, being a political genius, recognized that there was a huge untapped pool of voters out there, extremely religious conservatives. And he knew that while Kerry, with his war record and rhetoric, might be able to persuade some swing voters that he would be an effective leader in the fight against terror, there was no way he could appeal to the devoutly religious southern protestant conservative vote because of his stance on issues like abortion. So the Bush campaign began actively courting these votes, and a large number of new voters came out to the polls. These are people who normally don’t vote because they don’t really feel than any candidate represents their views, and for the first time in years they had a candidate who was directly appealing to them. And Bush won a solid victory. So, now that these voters were courted, it’s time to pay the piper. And we’re seeing a marked shift in the GOP away from federalist and limited government principles towards more of a feel-good, religious, big government, agenda-driven governance. And like I’ve said numerous times, this is entirely within their right to do so. If they want to make this kind of ideological change in the party platform them more power to them. But by doing so they have shown people like me that they are no longer a party I can consistently vote for.
I’m a pragmatist when it comes to voting. The last election the war on terror was my primary concern, so there is absolutely no chance I would have voted for anyone but Bush. And I’m not saying I’ll never vote for the GOP in the future. But the Republicans can never take my vote for granted again. If they want to get their hand up my skirt they’re going to have to take me out to dinner first.
The mailbag has been really interesting lately. I just received an email from longtime reader DarkWolf, which I’ve decided to post. I’m going to more or less let it go without comment, letting DarkWolf’s opinions stand as-is, because I think there are probably a lot of people reading the site who share his views. But there are a couple of points I want to directly counter, as I think he is mistaken in a few significant areas.
Lee,
OK, I’ve been a regular reader and a poster at your site for a while now, and although I am not sure if you are aware of it, I‚m asking that you read this.
I am writing this to you because you have, I think, completely missed the crux of the matter over both the evolution versus creationism debate and then the Terri Schiavo case and more importantly convinced yourself that the Republicans are in fact worse than the Democrats since they are apparently ruled by the „religious right‰.
Before I start, this is not a lecture, or an attack. The reason I’m writing this to you in a private e-mail is because I don’t want you to misconstrue it as either of those. But, I think recently, you have been surrounded by yes men on your site, which has stopped your supply of differing opinion. This coupled with your admitted lack of acceptance of differing views based solely on the fact that they come from creationist’s or Terri supporters, and I think you need help.
I started coming to your site about a year ago, and was immediately impressed by your ability to cut straight to the heart of the matter and present your argument articulately and fairly. You were able to communicate your beliefs and ideas with a wit, intelligence and most importantly honesty. And since reading you then, I became an avid reader. Everyday I would check back, and often when the liberal of the week would show up, I would engage in debate.
Your site, with its mix of conservative alternatives to the liberal MSM, scathing commentary and acerbic humour resonated. And you attracted people to your site, and a community was formed. But, somehow this is one point that you seem to of missed, because you seem willing to attack and insult your readers happily. But, as I said you seem to of missed this because the only people who post on your site are either the ones who respect you, or liberals. This is a given, but you don‚t seem to accept it.
Yet you seem to think they don’t respect you. You said that they have shown your views no respect.
No. When I mentioned that my views weren’t getting any respect I was speaking in the larger sense, that the views of libertarian-minded conservatives like me were not given any respect by the religious conservatives that are currently in control of the Republican Party. I think that the GOP should be big enough for both the religious and libertarian camps, and I’ve always known that by being a Republican I was necessitating the need for an alliance with religious conservatives, which I have never had a problem doing. But it seems that since the last election, when an appeal to religious conservatives was what won the election for Bush, there has been a huge push by the party to essentially “pay back” those voters, which is coming at the expense of the ideals which I hold dear. As I said yesterday, if the GOP wants to become the Party of Jesus that is perfectly within their right to do so, but they cannot then expect people like me to vote for them. I think there are a lot of religious conservatives in America, but I don’t think there are enough to win elections for the GOP without the votes of the libertarians. So while Rove’s legacy might be the reintroduction of the spiritually-minded into the political process, that very same legacy might spell doom for the Republican Party. Only time will tell.
Which brings me to my first point; the creationism versus evolution incident.
Now, I responded to your comments at least twice directly when you were beginning this. What I am going to say may come across as condescending, but, if you read and take nothing else from this email, let it be this.
From the offset, you have presented creationism as religion and evolution as science. This is where you have missed the point, and by definition the argument. Evolution is not science. Evolution is a theory based on science. But to attack evolution is not inherently to attack science. There are vast numbers of scientists who question evolution, based solely on its inability to answer the questions of life, objectively, who are not religious. So, would you paint those scientists as unscientific because they disagreed with you?
This is absolutely incorrect, and I’m going to take a moment to set the record straight on my views. Evolution and creationism are theories of the origins of life. Both have their staunch adherents, though I think it’s obvious by now that I believe that the vast majority of all available evidence points to some kind of evolutionary process as being the mechanism that brought us all to where we are now. I knew that a lot of people reading my site were religious and would be believers in creationism, and I thought it might be interesting to have some debate and argument on the subject.
My main objection to creationism being taught in schools is simply this: creationism is not science. Science, by its very nature, can be disproved or falsified. Creationism, because it is based upon unprovable quantities such as the existence of a Supreme Being, cannot ever be proven, and thus it fails the most basic test of whether or not something is scientific. This is not to say, of course, that creationism does not have value in and of itself. I’ve stated repeatedly that creationism has a place in schools, in a class on philosophy or comparative religion or the like. There are numerous avenues through which a discussion of the merits of creationism can and should be introduced to students, but a science class is not one of them. Simply taking fundamental religious dogma (creationism) and rebranding it as science (intelligent design) does not inherently give that dogma any kind of scientific veracity. My objection is the classification of religion as science, not an objection with religion in and of itself.
I, along with others on your site, have responded to you on this point and explained it to you, but you have not listened.
Now, this was when things started getting aggressive on your site, and I am still unclear as to why. An argument about the merits of creationism versus evolution was turned, by you, into a wedge. It was misconstrued into a reason to attack those who agree with and respect you. Those that understood that there were problems with evolution were cast as religious extremists by Drum, Manwhore and you, amongst others.
I am unclear as to why because you should of read at least one of our rebuttals, yet every time you and Drum would engage, you would only respond to Dirk or someone that was totally against evolution and its being taught in schools, which was completely unrepresentative of the vast majority that did want evolution to be taught, even if they disagreed with it. You went for the smallest minority that held the most extreme religious views of creationism and evolution and then used that as a benchmark for the rest.
So, again, I had to pose myself the question why?
Why were you willingly and malignantly trying to drive a division between you and the community at your site? And, as much as I tried to see how creationists were doing something wrong, after looking at it objectively, and on the facts, it was you who was being the aggressor.
I’ll admit that, in retrospect, things did get a bit aggressive. The reason is as I explained in a previous post. It wasn’t that creationism’s adherents were arguing for creationism or against evolution, there were people who were actually arguing against science. Not that they were arguing against a specific scientific belief, but against the very concept itself. And when I have someone sitting at a desk using a computer to argue with me about how you can’t trust anything that science says, I’m sorry, but that is an astonishing level of self-imposed ignorance.
You were the one writing attacking posts, everyday, against anyone who understands that there are problems with evolution. It was not creationists hijacking threads to push their agenda, but you, using every opportunity to attack anyone who differed from the accepted view of evolution. You were suggesting that anyone who questioned evolution was an uneducated zealot. But the thing that really bothered me was that there are those who have studied science for years, consider problems using the scientific method and use science regularly and yet know that there are problems with evolution but because of the misunderstanding and division thus were branded as a religious nutjobs.
I will say this again, just to be clear. While evolution is a theory using science, it is not science. Science is a way of thinking. But evolution is a theory. It is not a fact. And just like countless other theories it can be proven wrong.
And I have never, ever, stated otherwise. Ever. I have repeatedly stated, until I was blue in the face, that there are huge gaps in evolutionary theory, and that if someone were to come along with a superior theory to evolution I would gladly scrap every belief I have had in evolution in favor of the superior argument. But you have to understand that science is a continually evolving process, (pardon the pun). You cannot look at the sum total of the scientific evidence in favor of evolution, see the gaps, and say, “Well, look at those gaps, it must be wrong.” Just because we don’t know something today doesn’t mean we won’t know it tomorrow.
The point here is actually stated by you above: And just like countless other theories it can be proven wrong. In order to accept creationism over evolution you not only have to prove evolution wrong, you have to prove creationism right. There are two aspects to this argument. If you prove evolution to be wrong, I could then postulate that our planet is nothing more than a science experiment created by a race of super-intelligent alien beings. If I want people to believe my theory I need scientific, verifiable evidence to support it. I cannot point to problems with evolution and then use that as prima facie evidence to show that creationism is correct. And I think that its adherents have utterly failed on both those counts. Let me put it this way. If you were to put into two piles all of the evidence in support of each individual theory, the evolutionary pile would be the size of the Himalayas, and the Intelligent Design pile would be the size of a 1978 AMC Pacer.
A belief in religion or a supernatural origin of life does not, in an of itself, make anyone stupid, or a moron, or a “religious nutjob” as you put it. But if I am being honest, I do have to admit being absolutely astonished at the degree by which so many religious conservatives are willing to utterly discount science because it happens to disagree with some allegorical tales written in a book thousands of years ago. And then there are other religious conservatives, who support the value of science everywhere except where it happens to disagree with the Bible. Look, science leads us where it leads us, and anyone with any kind of respect for the process does not dismiss its finding out of hand in such a cavalier fashion.
You yourself have accepted that this is how the scientific method learns. By questioning and testing its own theories. So, I again have to ask why you are so hostile to anyone doing that to evolution. It has been proven to have many massive holes, yet you seem to just attack anyone‚s criticism as religious extremism.
Absolutely not. I never, not a single time, accused anyone of “religious extremism” for pointing out holes in evolutionary theory, especially since I have freely admitted that there are holes in evolutionary theory since this entire debate began.
And because you were unable to understand that there are far more conservatives that believe that both evolution and creationism should be taught in science and religion studies respectively…
No, DarkWolf, you’ve got this totally wrong. They don’t want evolution taught in science class and creationism taught in religion class, they want then both taught in science, as if each were of equal scientific footing, and there is a much higher degree of scientific disagreement than there actually is.
… than you were aware of, the situation was created where there was a massive division, felt by both you and them. And this bled through into the Terri Schiavo case. There were far more conservatives who supported her right to life because they did not believe her husband‚s motives than those who were motivated religiously, the President included. But you could not see this.
That is utterly ridiculous. I was not attacking conservatives because of their faith, I was attacking them for supporting federal intervention in a state matter. Seriously, DarkWolf, did you actually comprehend anything I wrote at the time? I simply couldn’t believe that so many conservatives were willing to totally ignore one of the mail pillars of conservatism simply because they agreed with the outcome. As I stated repeatedly, if the decision had been mine to make I probably would have given custody of Terri to her parents, but it wasn’t my decision, and I don’t like the idea of the behemoth federal government stepping in to reverse any court decision it doesn’t happen to like. And I also don’t believe that the majority of conservatives who were in support of Terri were doing so out of some secular concern for her well-being. I think it’s quite obvious that the vast majority of the people supporting her were doing so out of a religious, ideological, “culture of life” motivation. There’s nothing wrong with doing so out of a religious motivation, of course, except when that motivation causes you to subvert bedrock principles of our constitutional government. And that is exactly what I believe happened. Because I don’t, for a second, believe that American conservatives would have sat on their hands had the roles been reversed and it was a Democrat intervening in a state matter. It would have been wrong then and it was wrong now.
I believe had you known the truth, you wouldn‚t of kept attacking them, for essentially, what you believed to be blind leftist ideology. But, instead of restraint and contemplation, you displayed a surprising lack of judgment and attacked incessantly for days and days until you had both pissed off those who you assumed were differing to you, wrongly, and yourself to the point where you are willing to walk away.
And, it was a surprising lack of judgment, because you have always displayed good reasoning and common sense before.
As I said, this letter is not an attack, or a lecture.
I am saying this because I believe you need to hear it.
I know that you are busy, and that you might of been pissed off and annoyed reading this. But, I hope that you are able to see through the confrontation that you have been involved in recently, and understand that taking a step back and looking at this whole situation again might be a good idea.
When you started this, I considered not coming back to Right Thinking, because you seemed insistent on the destruction of your site, of the community and of your own ideology.
But, I don‚t like to quit. And if I can help a person I respect, I will. And that is why I am writing this. I‚m taking the time to write this because I don‚t want to see a good place with good people torn apart.
If you take anything from this, just step back and take another look.
It is in your hands now. It‚s your call.
Take it easy, man.
DarkWolf
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Sunday, March 06, 2005
I just got an email from Juandos, who I banned a few days ago.
Your are one sniveling, spineless coward…
Jaundos
Of course. (And, yes, he actually misspelled his own name.)
Saturday, January 29, 2005
Some numbnuts didn’t like my Sharon Stone post below.
Sharon Stone’s efforts will save human lives. Children who would otherwise die from maliaria will not, because they were given bed netting which their impoverished parents could not afford. But you do not care about that. Much too busy being a jerk. “Bed Netting” sounds so inane to the moronic, to the ill-informed.
You do not, will not, care about facts.
Much easier to make moronic judgements about people doing whatever they can to relieve ANY suffering of which they become aware. And of course you have that cheering squad of registered comment suppliers. Nary a disagreement among your bunch; like you, sophomoric, self important, self indulgent, judgemental, ungracious, uncaring, idiots. While you and your small minded, testosterone deficient buddies are busy masturbating over some barely post-pubescent would-be actress, Ms. Stone actually DOES SOMETHING TO RELIEVE SUFFERING. Actually makes herself useful. Actually participates in society.
Since so many people have covered the DDT angle, I’ll just respond that Sharon Stone is a talentless skank. The best thing she could ever do to relieve human suffering is stop making movies.
Tuesday, December 07, 2004
Commenting on the gutless coward post from yesterday, a reader named Charlotte V. Speer sends in the following email.
This message is for Lee, who used strong words against the young soldier who chooses to take a stand against the war in Iraq. I could write on and on about how very wrong you are, but you would not be receptive as you are full of anger and of yourself.
Let me just ask you if you have served in the military? If you haven’t and therefore can not know what is in this soldier’s mind and heart, I suggest you shut your pie hole and leave the stones to be thrown by those who have at least served and know firsthand what a Hell war is. The war in Iraq is wrong from whatever angle it is viewed. What a shame that your tunnel vision will not allow you to see that Bush is not your friend.
A former Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity admirer who now sees the ugly truth.
Well, Charlie, allow me to enlighten you. First off, he’s not a soldier, he’s a sailor. And, yes, I too served in the United States Navy, just like this guy. Allow me to relay an anecdote that you might find interesting.
When the Gulf War broke out I was stationed in San Diego, going to sonar school at the Fleet Anti-Submarine Warfare Training Center Pacific (FLEASWTRACENPAC). There was a fellow student there who, immediately upon hearing that hostilities were beginning, declared himself to be a conscientious objector. The command removed him from classes and assigned him to work the front desk in the Bachelor Enlisted Quarters (BEQ). So, every time we walked past this gutless twat we would make sure that we would let him know just what a contemptible scumbag we all thought he was. He wasn’t taking a brave anti-war stand, he was a fucking coward, and he didn’t have the balls to go and fight when his country called. The ironic thing was that none of us ever saw any action in the Gulf. Despite the fact that a number of us called our detailers and BEGGED them to give us a seagoing billet so that we could participate in the operation, the navy decided that the best use of our time was to finish school, and by the time we had done so the war was long over. But in the long run it was good that the worthless prick showed his true colors before he was ever placed in a combat situation, where someone else’s life might have been in his hands.
One final note: Charlotte V. Speer sent in this email using a uspis.gov email address. This, my friends, is the United States Postal Inspection Service. Showing us the type of dedication and professionalism that the post office is known for, it’s good to see that Ms. Speer is using a government computer to surf the internet during work hours and email websites who dare to offer an opinion that differs from her far left dogma.
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