A Planet of Cops

Freddie deBoer, one of the few liberals I genuinely enjoy reading, has a great post on how our country has turned into a nation of tattle-tales. Money quote:

The woke world is a world of snitches, informants, rats. Go to any space concerned with social justice and what will you find? Endless surveillance. Everybody is to be judged. Everyone is under suspicion. Everything you say is to be scoured, picked over, analyzed for any possible offense. Everyone’s a detective in the Division of Problematics, and they walk the beat 24/7. You search and search for someone Bad doing Bad Things, finding ways to indict writers and artists and ordinary people for something, anything. That movie that got popular? Give me a few hours and 800 words. I’ll get you your indictments. That’s what liberalism is, now — the search for baddies doing bad things, like little offense archaeologists, digging deeper and deeper to find out who’s Good and who’s Bad. I wonder why people run away from establishment progressivism in droves.

This has now reached overdrive with Trump in power. Now granted, Trump is ineffective and possibly corrupt. But the tendency over the last four months has been to go nuclear about everything. Even harmless little jokes are made into the Outrage of the Hour.

Liberals aren’t the only ones becoming Constant Guardians of Morality, of course. But the tendency in our culture to mind everyone else’s business is alarming and ultimately destructive. At some point, we have to start leaving each other the hell alone.

29 comments:

  1. stogy

    The “Israel connection” is quite possibly deliberate misinformation put out by security agencies. I am not saying that what Trump is accused of doing didn’t happen. Just that this is a great way to turn a steaming pile of dodo into something a little better. What better way to have Isis turning on each other and calling each other a secret Jew than float this about.

    It’s straight out of the playbook.

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  2. West Virginia Rebel

    It’s been very strange to watch the far-left meltdown over Trump. The media are reacting to Trump on a personal level-it’s beyond what we saw with Bush. They really don’t like the guy on a personal level.

    The Big Brother mentality on college campuses has seeped into the real world in some places, fortunately not everywhere as its limits are exposed. It’s little wonder snowflakes are returning home or extending their prolonged adolescence-reality is hard, kids…

     

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  3. Hal_10000 *

     Just that this is a great way to turn a steaming pile of dodo into something a little better. 

    Good point!

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  4. Iconoclast

    Trump is ineffective and possibly corrupt.

    Which means he’s possibly not corrupt, but the MSM is at utter war with him, and by extension, the American Electorate who elected him. That means, at some level, the MSM is at war with America herself, because the MSM is relentless in its various witch hunts against Trump and his Administration.

    Zero evidence of collusion, yet the “investigations” continue unabated.
    The firing of Comey was relentlessly demanded by the Left, right up until the moment Trump actually did the deed, then it immediately became some sort of “cover up” relating to point 1.
    There is a difference between doing something stupid, like using unsecured devices, and breaking the law, like storing classified information on unsecured devices. But the Left is desperately trying to pretend they’re one and the same.
    It’s technically impossible for the POTUS to “leak” classified info, since once he “leaks” it, it’s no longer classified. Again, there is a difference between doing something stupid and breaking the law.

    The point is that we know Hillary broke the law, so if she had won the election, she would have been a criminal going in. Maybe Trump is a criminal, and maybe he’s only a buffoon. But the MSM doesn’t care. They would have carried Hillary’s water for four years, turning a blind eye to her verified corruption. Meanwhile, the MSM desperately tries to frame every damned thing Trump does as a sign of corruption, and yes, that means spewing copious amounts of fake news along the way.

    Again, the MSM is at war with Trump, and by extension, with the American People who voted for him.

    This cannot end well.

     

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  5. stogy

    The point is that we know Hillary broke the law, 

    Well, technically you don’t know that either. The allegations against her were never tested in a court of law.

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  6. blameme

    Stogy, technically we do know she broke the law. She had classified information on unsecured devices. The FBI found this to be the case in multiple instances – no one denies this and that is against the law. She wasn’t tried due to Comey finding no ill intent. But, technically she did break the law. Also technically, she wasn’t tried or arrested. One can break the law (see my speeding), but be left off the hook – Thanks Officer!

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  7. InsipiD

    Liberals aren’t the only ones becoming Constant Guardians of Morality, of course.

    Their morality is a bit strange, though.  Companies are never right and wealth is accumulated solely by mistreating the poor.  Guns are wrong and owning one means you’re a paranoid racist.  The first amendment doesn’t even mean that you can speak freely, because somebody might be offended.  Despite months of non-stories about Trump, they still offend me more than he does.  The big reason is that these modern snitches aren’t telling on the neighborhood dope man, joy riding thieves,  or even the white collar embezzler, they’re after thought crimes.  For these, no jail time will be served, but instead names are smeared to make someone unemployable.  Lies are repeated until ubiquity lends them truth.  This is what 8 years of special snowflakes in the highest part of government gets you-too much influence of their thinking.

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  8. stogy

    Stogy, technically we do know she broke the law. She had classified information on unsecured devices.

    Here’s what Comey actually said about the case:

    “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.”

    A potential violation might indeed be a violation, but until it is actually tested in court, it remains just that. However, I would agree with you that she certainly did violate department policies for storing classified information on unsecured devices.

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  9. Hal_10000 *

    Which means he’s possibly not corrupt, but the MSM is at utter war with him, and by extension, the American Electorate who elected him. That means, at some level, the MSM is at war with America herself, because the MSM is relentless in its various witch hunts against Trump and his Administration.

    Substitute Obama for Trump and you’ve got every Democratic Party talking point for the last eight years.  Congratulations, Alex. You’ve become what you’ve beheld.

    As for the leaks, most of them are not illegal. And all of them are because Trump won’t listen to any of his staff and keeps fucking up as a result.  But continue to drink the Trump Kool-Aid as our nation slides even further.

    If Obama had done even a fraction of this — given classified info to Russia, fired the FBI director for investigating him, demanded personal loyalty from the FBI — you would have been going fucking apeshit. We would have had 6000 word rants about how Obama was traitorous, corrupt and destroying the country. Just because the people who hate Trump most are liberal does not mean there isn’t bad behavior going on.

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  10. Hal_10000 *

    Oh, and the Saudis just donated $100 million to Melania’s foundation. And Kushner was selling visas in China. I expect a huge rant about this to match the rants we had about the Clinton Foundation.

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  11. Iconoclast

    Substitute Obama for Trump and you’ve got every Democratic Party talking point for the last eight years.  Congratulations, Alex. You’ve become what you’ve beheld.

    You have just demonstrated a total detachment from reality, and why almost no one bothers any more.

    As for the leaks, most of them are not illegal.

    I didn’t say anything about the leaks, one way or the other. So this is a straw man.

    But continue to drink the Trump Kool-Aid as our nation slides even further.

    I am already on record as saying I wish Trump would STFU. Elsewhere, I stated agreement with the liberals that Trump should be impeached, based on National Security. I stated that I would prefer Pence at the helm anyway. But yeah, go ahead and keep pretending that I “drink the Trump kool-aid” as you drown yourself with MSM kool-aid.

    If Obama had done even a fraction of this — given classified info to Russia, fired the FBI director for investigating him, demanded personal loyalty from the FBI…..

    Again, a lot of this is MSM kool-aid, but yeah, Obama’s IRS did target conservative groups. There is also fast and furious, and several other issues that apparently don’t matter.

    And before you sputter out your “but but but OBAMA!!!” rebuttal, let me remind you that YOU are the one who brought him up in the first place.

    …..everything has lost meaning…..

    Yeah, I can agree with this.  What I write is clearly not comprehended, and is therefore meaningless. Like I said, I see why no one bothers any more. This place should change its name. Calling it “Right Thinking” is beyond parody at this point.

    Reflex.

    Yeah, you just charge in with your boilerplate preconceived response without bothering to find out what you’re even responding to, just because you perceive it’s something that’s not dripping with TDS. No one has actually addressed my point, much less refuted it.

    But yeah, kool-aid. CM and Hal, you can just keep right on circle-jerking as this venue continues to fade into oblivion.

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  12. AlexInCT

    It’s been very strange to watch the far-left meltdown over Trump. 

    Far left? Was that an attempt at a joke? Or are you saying that all we have left on that side IS the far left? The downright unhinged nature of these morons and their complete abandonment of reality so they can wage their war on the outsider that threatens their grip on the deep state is pervasive amongst those that claim to be the “keepers of the only acceptable truth” (a.k.a. the idiots that have sucked the cock of those peddling the new marxist revolution).

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  13. blameme

    I’ve probably made my last post here. I assume most everyone else has. All that happens is straw men and splitting hairs to the point of ridiculousness. Wish the best for everyone.

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  14. AlexInCT

    Yeah but at this point I don’t think it makes a difference – everything has lost meaning.

    Oh CM, don’t you see the irony in that statement after your side spent the last 50 years doing just that? When truth, facts, and reality are warped to conform to what the left approves of, we end up precisely where we are today. I am sure you are not going to make the connection though, and will pretend the reason is elsewhere. Admitting your dogma is broken and breaks things is kind of daunting.

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  15. AlexInCT

    I’ve probably made my last post here. I assume most everyone else has. All that happens is straw men and splitting hairs to the point of ridiculousness. Wish the best for everyone.

    This is what the left is after, blameme. Fatigue that makes people stop questioning their bullshit since they won’t stop lying and splitting hairs, so they can keep peddling their agenda and narrative as facts and truth with the minimal or without opposition.

    The only thing left is to ridicule them and call them out on the bullshit.

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  16. Iconoclast

    Here’s what Comey actually said about the case:

    Yes, let’s take a look (emphasis added, assuming this stupid web site actually works):

    Now let me tell you what we found:

    Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.

    For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation. In addition to this highly sensitive information, we also found information that was properly classified as Secret by the U.S. Intelligence Community at the time it was discussed on e-mail (that is, excluding the later “up-classified” e-mails).

    None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail.

    So, there you have it, assuming the boldfacing actually worked. Classified materials were on unsecured servers.

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  17. Iconoclast

    Oh, and the Saudis just donated $100 million to Melania’s foundation.

    This is exactly what I’m talking about — you guys are so f*cking quick to jump on the MSM-Hates-Trump bandwagon that you drown in the MSM kool-aid:

    WSJ Writer Corrects Misconception that Saudi Money Went to an Ivanka Charity

    Ivanka just hosted the event and advocated for The Women Entrepreneur Fund, but that ain’t her charity and she didn’t personally receive any of the money. But I suppose the fact that she was there at all is all you idiots need, isn’t it?

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  18. AlexInCT

    Last I saw, nobody ever got off in court by proving they had no intent to break any laws on the proper handling of classified materials, even if you limit those to electronic communications. In fact, the law is pretty clear that intent doesn’t matter. Mishandle classified information, and you are going to go to jail (after losing your security clearance and your ability to earn a living in that field ever again).

    The law also specifically states that government workers MUST use government infrastructure to do any communications, and use that exclusively for anything with even a whiff of a security classification. The whole purpose of setting up a server outside the secured government network – one that is constantly monitored and has everything collected for the record, as mandated by the law – is to hide what one is doing. Connecting that server to that network and creating a vulnerability that then was used to hack our secure government infrastructure is also a criminal act (if not a downright act of sabotage). But nobody crying about the red scare today seemed to much care that Hillary had done this and not only the Russians, but the Chinese, Iranians, North Koreans, and a slew of other entities hostile to the US and US interests, had hacked our network because of this attempt to allow her to conceal the nefarious activity she was up to.

    We now know that Hillary and her people lied when they pretended that the server was for personal use. What we got off the Weiner laptop – after they cleared out the browser cache of the millions of porn hits – leaves no doubt that there was a lot more than yoga emails and cookie baking recipes being passed around. We also know they deleted over 33K emails that proved they had lied about using the server for personal correspondence only – many of them classified (and quite a few quickly declassified by Obama to help provide Hillary cover and avoid prosecution) – so they could thwart the investigation into the crimes committed.

    Finally we know that a republican would have been crucified and would now be printing license plates had they done even a fraction of what Hillary and her people did. The lying and obstruction of justice charges alone should have put half of Hillary’s staff and herself behind bars.

    But the usual idiots are still talking about the fact there was no crime because Comey, a political hack, said that there was no intent. In the mean time a slew of people that were punished under the statues of these laws are wondering if they would have been given the same pass had they argued intent (those of us that are not dishonest prog hacks know the answer to that).

    The irony is the sudden feigned concern for security and the red scare by these douchebags now that they hope to reverse an election where the evil criminal they backed lost. If you are not demanding Hillary be put in jail for the email scandal, and Obama be investigated as well for his role in helping her cover that up (he would also end up charged), you should do us all a favor and shut the fuck up about Trump and the Russians. It’s posturing.

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  19. AlexInCT

    This is exactly what I’m talking about — you guys are so f*cking quick to jump on the MSM-Hates-Trump bandwagon that you drown in the MSM kool-aid:

    Their credibility totally trashed and worthless, they will not even bother to be more diligent in either their retraction or their next attack hack, but double down on the stupid. What is the count of stupid fake shit they posted as front page news in the MSM rags and talked about on CNN, PMSNBC, SeeBS, ABC, and other such proggy shitholes, only to have it debunked within 24 hours leaving them looking like morons now? And they keep going, because it is not about reporting news, but destroying Trump and making it impossible for anyone they have not vetted to run the country. If anyone were to feel that the tree of liberty was ripe for some watering, things like this sure as hell point to it being high time for that to happen.

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  20. Iconoclast

    As for the leaks, most of them are not illegal.

    Whoop-dee-doo.

    Since you brought them up, what I noticed is that the general trend is for those “leaks” to be “anonymous sources”, and the info that was “leaked” is almost immediately refuted by named sources.  So obviously, there is absolutely no possible doubt that those “anonymous sources” are giving us nothing but the unvarnished Truth while the named sources are lying through their teeth every time. Who wouldn’t place complete and utter trust in someone whispering from the shadows?

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  21. Hal_10000 *

    vanka just hosted the event and advocated for The Women Entrepreneur Fund, but that ain’t her charity and she didn’t personally receive any of the money. But I suppose the fact that she was there at all is all you idiots need, isn’t it?

    I jumped the gun on that one. I should be more strict in my “wait 12 hours before repeating claims about Trump” rule.

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  22. Hal_10000 *

    Since you brought them up, what I noticed is that the general trend is for those “leaks” to be “anonymous sources”, and the info that was “leaked” is almost immediately refuted by named sources.

    Yes. Administration flacks will go on record with bullshit. This has always been the case. Keep in mind that we’ve had anonymous sources vindicated frequently. Example: Trump fires Comey. Anonymous sources say it was over Russia. Named sources say it wasn’t. Then Trump goes out and admits it was.

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  23. Iconoclast

    Then again, I did already provide this reference to two examples where the “anonymous sources” were legitimately refuted:

    Democracy Dies in Anonymous Sourcing

    Since Trump won the election, the Post has been caught in a string of over-aggressive anti-Trump stories that were based on anonymous sources and turned out to be untrue. Just last week, the Post reported that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein offered to resign in the wake of the firing of FBI Director James Comey. Rosenstein denied ever doing such a thing. The Post also reported that the FBI asked for additional resources for its probe of possible Trump campaign collusion with the Russian government. The acting FBI director, Andrew McCabe, testified under oath that the report was not true. It’s a shame Congress doesn’t get to put the media’s anonymous sources under oath.

    Dismissing them as “Administration flacks” fails to refute what they said.

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