What’s obviously missing in this story: again?

Well, a few weeks ago it was some Hillary Clinton voters expressing their anger at the election of Trump to the office of the POTUS, by torturing a mentally challenged white teenager and live streaming it on Facebook. The horrific attack caused furor because it came at a time that the DNC operatives with bylines were desperate to create the illusion that America was under attack from the racists, misogynists, and other assorted evil people that the left want you to believe is the only reason Trump could beat crooked Hillary. They danced around what happened for a while, and we then spent days after with people actually telling us why 4 black teenagers brutally abusing a handicapped white kid while screaming “Fuck White People” and “Fuck Trump” didn’t amount to a hate crime or racism. The story disappeared from the news soon after that, obviously because it wasn’t the narrative these douchebags wanted to tell.

It looks like we have more of the same. Facebook was again used to stream the live rape of a Swedish woman bu three men for whom we never get a description. Trained like I am to pick up on these queues after decades of our DNC operatives with bylines doing the same when reporting on criminal or bad behaviors by the left, it became immediately obvious that the lack of details about the perps could only mean that there was another concerted effort to hide misbehavior by a group the left knows is trouble but would like to prevent us from knowing so. My first guess was that the lack of detail probably comes from pressure from the authorities not to divulge details that would embarrass the leadership cast or fear of retribution from the authorities. After all, in Europe, saying things that are not permitted, even when they are true, can and has landed people not just in trouble with the authorities, but behind bars. I did some digging, and in the comment section of this article dealing with the issue, it looks like someone has confirmed my suspicions. I expect them to end up paying for revealing information that the elites in Brussels have told the powers that be is taboo. All because the truth reflects horribly on them and what they are doing to the annoying and ungrateful serfs they are caring so hard for.

Keep it up you people. The more of this we see the more people will realize that the credentialed elite class should no longer be allowed near the leavers of power. Anyone willing to put their citizens in definite harm’s way in the name of an ideological vision and ideal, deserves the boot. I hope the Swedes go all Viking on the people doing this to their country.

30 comments:

  1. InsipiD

    So you think that somehow the same people who were making someone else say “fuck Donald Trump” against his own will voted for him?

    Stop your idiocy, CM.  That comment really makes it clear that you’re either really stupid or only here to cause trouble.  Either way, it’s gotten very old.

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  2. CM

    InsipiD, try and see if you can come up with at least one other possibility.
    Your comment, aligning yourself with Alex’s nonsense, makes it very clear that you have no standards or credibility at all. It’s not the first time either.

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  3. Iconoclast

    To clarify for one and all — there is zero evidence that these thugs voted for Hillary, but it is clear that they are on the Trump-Hate bandwagon.  The two are obviously not synonymous, as it’s quite possible that they didn’t vote at all.  But if they had, it is a safe bet that they would have voted for Hillary.

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  4. Iconoclast

    InsipiD’s point, I believe, is that CM posed a baiting question, one that wasn’t intended to foster debate, but simple to give CM a “got’cha!” opportunity.

    Whether they actually voted for H is a side-issue.  The main issue is that they were clearly in the Trump-Hate camp, the irony being that we are continually spoon-fed by the MSM about how we should fear Trump supporters.

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  5. CM

    To clarify for one and all — there is zero evidence that these thugs voted for Hillary, 

    Bingo. Three of them are 18, so there’s a chance they wouldn’t even have been old enough to vote at the start of November.

    But if they had, it is a safe bet that they would have voted for Hillary.

    True. Just it’s likely that if I visited a nearby planet, there’s a safe bet it would be Mars. Doesn’t make it a fact that I’m going to visit Mars though.

    InsipiD’s point, I believe, is that CM posed a baiting question, one that wasn’t intended to foster debate, but simple to give CM a “got’cha!” opportunity.

    Right, the issue is the way I questioned Alex’s nonsense, not the obvious nonsense itself. Alex was clearly all for debate and I just went and ruined it. Good one.

    Whether they actually voted for H is a side-issue.

    Not to Alex. His entire premise is that all bad people are liberals, whether it can be confirmed or not. No need for facts. He knows.

    it is clear that they are on the Trump-Hate bandwagon

    they were clearly in the Trump-Hate camp

    Yes they are a well valued member the club which meets once a week. Alternatively, they are not part of anything you’ve contrived in order imply that anyone who hates Trump is any way related to these pricks, via a camp or bandwagon.

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  6. Iconoclast

    Congratulations, CM, on a content-free post.

    I didn’t “contrive” anything — there absolutely is a Trump-Hate bandwagon out there.  People are still breaking windows and setting fires in “protest” of a legitimately-elected POTUS, and we’re still getting a steady stream of Trump-Hate from the MSM.  Hell, Madonna recently fantasized about blowing up the White House.

    If the roles were reversed, and we were discussing a fresh round of gun violence where the initial, jump-to-conclusions-and-screw-the-facts narrative was that it was an unhinged right-winger, leftists would indeed be blaming right-wing rhetoric, as history shows.  Sarah Palin’s campaign map was blamed for the Gifford shooting, for the love of Marx.   Your snarks are an epic fail.  Again, congrats.

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  7. AlexInCT *

    CM, all awful things in the world are the result of liberals.  Didn’t you know that?

    Not all, but the great majority of it certainly is. I have a record showing over 100 million murdered and billions living in misery to back that up. Fuck, I am sure even Charles Manson has some redeeming quality (he isn’t Hillary Clinton, so he has that going for him) and a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.

    And thanks for finally coming out Hal. Its refreshing to see you have stopped pretending.

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  8. AlexInCT *

    I didn’t “contrive” anything — there absolutely is a Trump-Hate bandwagon out there. 

    Based on his tantrums and posts just here, CM is one of the ones riding in the front row of that wagon, with Stogy as his seatmate. Hal is hiding in the back of that train, hoping nobody catches on, it seems…

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  9. Iconoclast

    Right, the issue is the way I questioned Alex’s nonsense, not the obvious nonsense itself.

    What “obvious nonsense” would that be?  That the thugs in question were Hillary voters instead of just Hillary supporters?  Alex’ post primarily dealt with how the MSM was hesitant to call it a hate crime, and how the incident failed to back up the leftist narrative, where we all had to be on high alert for Trump-inspired violence.  Alex called them Hillary voters in passing, which means it’s a side issue.  If Alex had emphasized the claim that they had voted for H, then maybe you’d have  something resembling a case.  As it stands, you got bupkis.

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  10. CM

    Congratulations, CM, on a content-free post.

    There was plenty of content, about both the initial post and the reaction to my perfectly reasonably and politely asked question. Not my fault that your ally, who you never see fit to criticise about anything, is talking nonsense.

    and we’re still getting a steady stream of Trump-Hate from the MSM

    Yes they are also in the club. They sit right next to their friends who did the torturing. They are all the same.

    Rather than looking at anything the media may have gotten wrong, have you bothered at all about all the stuff they’re right about? You know, rather than JUST the whole victim/snowflake thing about the media (any legitimate argument about that is being well and truly crushed by Trump, you’d think those who want to run a legitimate argument would want to separate themselves well and truly from the guy, but no).

    Your snarks are an epic fail.  Again, congrats.

    Don’t think so. Your multiple ‘congrats’ snark sure seems to be though.

    CM, all awful things in the world are the result of liberals.  Didn’t you know that?

    I know that you are convinced of it (because you’re an ideological fanatic, just like those you claim to despise), but cannot come close to proving it.

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  11. CM

    Based on his tantrums and posts just here, CM is one of the ones riding in the front row of that wagon, with Stogy as his seatmate. Hal is hiding in the back of that train, hoping nobody catches on, it seems…

    Obviously! Just as those thugs obviously voted for Hillary.

     Alex called them Hillary voters in passing, which means it’s a side issue.

    Hahaha, that’s brilliant. Yet again, “words matter” except when they don’t.

    Alex’ post primarily dealt with how the MSM was hesitant to call it a hate crime, and how the incident failed to back up the leftist narrative, where we all had to be on high alert for Trump-inspired violence.  

    No, that is one example he’s trying to use to say that lefties are to blame for everything that is bad. He had a second example, and then a conclusion (somehow bizarrely wanting to pretend that Trump is not firmly within the “credentialed elite class”).

    While we’re here, I support Trump’s dumping of the TPPA. That’s great.

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  12. stogy

    I can’t be bothered going back and finding the original thread, but I thought I had by now given you enough time to come up with some Greeks that supported your “democracy always undoes itself” meme last week. It kinda vaguely fits with the themes of this thread anyway, so I thought I would stick it here.

    The winner was Plato, in “The Republic” (via Socrates):

     

    The oligarch changes into the democrat in the following manner:–The youth who has had a miserly bringing up, gets a taste of the drone’s honey; he meets with wild companions, who introduce him to every new pleasure. As in the State, so in the individual, there are allies on both sides, temptations from without and passions from within; there is reason also and external influences of parents and friends in alliance with the oligarchical principle; and the two factions are in violent conflict with one another. Sometimes the party of order prevails, but then again new desires and new disorders arise, and the whole mob of passions gets possession of the Acropolis, that is to say, the soul, which they find void and unguarded by true words and works.  

    The problem with this as the answer to your “Greek” problem is that this wasn’t all they said. In book VIII he charts Socrates discussion of the progression from aristocracy (or timocracy), oligarchy, democracy and finally, tyranny. It starts with democracy and universal equality being a good thing as a means of destroying oligarchies, and ends with Trump or someone like him overthrowing the democracy and replacing it with a tyranny:

     

    Tyranny springs from democracy much as democracy springs from oligarchy. Both arise from excess; the one from excess of wealth, the other from excess of freedom. ’The great natural good of life,’ says the democrat, ’is freedom.’ And this exclusive love of freedom and regardlessness of everything else, is the cause of the change from democracy to tyranny. The State demands the strong wine of freedom, and unless her rulers give her a plentiful draught, punishes and insults them; equality and fraternity of governors and governed is the approved principle.  

    And then:

     

    When the people meet, they are omnipotent, but they cannot be brought together unless they are attracted by a little honey; and the rich are made to supply the honey, of which the demagogues keep the greater part themselves, giving a taste only to the mob. Their victims attempt to resist; they are driven mad by the stings of the drones, and so become downright oligarchs in self-defence. Then follow in- formations and convictions for treason. The people have some protector whom they nurse into greatness, and from this root the tree of tyranny springs.  

    Here’s the cliff notes version by our old friend Andrew Sullivan, who describes how all this brings us down to Trump.

    Plato would argue that we are moving from democracy to tyranny right now. And if it isn’t Trump, it will be the one that comes after him.

    How inevitable this is is another question entirely.

     

     

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  13. AlexInCT *

    Obviously! Just as those thugs obviously voted for Hillary.

    As usual, you picked on nonsense to derail the conversation and avoid the obvious. There is no disputing that this deplorable act was done by leftist whom committed a horrible hate crime, and then, at a time where the DNC operatives with bylines were desperate to convince people Trump supporters are the violent hateful racists. There is also no contention or disputes that the story I linked to which omitted details of the people that had streamed a gang rape was was light on details about the rapists, likely because they are muslims. Of course, neither of these things offer you the opportunity to grandstand, nor serve your narrative, so then, your priority becomes to be disruptive and not to allow the actual conversation to happen.

    But I am gonna play by your stupid rules, so let’s do an exercise in logic here (you are excused CM, we all know you are challenged when it comes to facts and logic):

    1. Did we find out that these thugs yelled “Fuck White People” and “Fuck Trump” from the Facebook feed (thank god we had that or the DNC operatives with bylines would have ignored or buried the story)?
    2. If these thugs had voted, and we all know in Chicago they always have more votes that voting eligible population every election, which logically puts the odds that these concerned citizens voted at a yes (or we are admitting massive fucking voter fraud goes on in Chicago to get the counts they do, which means I win either way), right?
    3. Do you think there is even a remote change that these thugs would have ever voted for Trump?
    4. Considering that the DNC operatives with bylines spent a whole lot of time trying to first convince us that this blatant and deplorable hate crime was not a hate crime first (blacks can’t be racist nonsense), and then, when that went nowhere, tried to deflect from the obvious fact this was done to protest Trump’s election, do actually think that if the y had actually found out that these thugs had voted for Hillary, that they divulge it to us? Or do you think, like with the details about the rapists that never saw the light of day, that this information would have vanished into thin air?
    5. Whether they voted for Hillary or not, do you think they are supporters of the democratic party and its ideology, or fans of Trump?

    6. Does it matter at all if they voted or not for Hillary, when it is obvious that these are Hillary supporters, unless of course your objective is to avoid discussing either their horrible hate crime or the subject of the post, that the media again hid information detrimental to the left?

    7. Are you disagreeing with any of the important facts? i.e. that the thugs that brutally attacked a handicapped man and clearly articulated their hatred for white people and Trump are doing that because they are acting out like the other pissed leftists about the election, and that the piece about a gang rape clearly leaves details out about the rapists because it would hurt the left?

    Now something for you CM: the fact is that you had nothing to contribute to the conversation, even more importantly, didn’t want it to happen, so you derailed it, as usual, with the usual douchebag brigade patting you on the back for doing it. Boring and sad dude.

    Also please stop linking the huffington post or any other lefty shitrags (that includes the NYT, WaPo, CNN, CBS, ABC, and so on). These people are discredited liars. And I stopped reading Sully some 10 years ago when he went full on batshit. Everyone knows you don’t go full on batshit. I do hope you idiots keep listening to these people for advice though. The epic butthurt you will have when you are yet again disappointed and left hanging by these idiots will be heartwarming to me.

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  14. AlexInCT *

    The problem with this as the answer to your “Greek” problem is that this wasn’t all they said. In book VIII he charts Socrates discussion of the progression from aristocracy (or timocracy), oligarchy, democracy and finally, tyranny. It starts with democracy and universal equality being a good thing as a means of destroying oligarchies, and ends with Trump or someone like him overthrowing the democracy and replacing it with a tyranny:

    LOL! Talk about projecting stupidity. Obama already beat Trump to the tyrant thing, dude. He is the one that created the biggest block of divided government cheese seekers while taking a giant shit on the constitution and the system of government that was supposed to prevent consolidation of power in one branch. It was not Trump that spent the last 8 years sicking the IRS and the DOJ on the political enemies of the left. Whatever bad Trump manages to do, it will be because Obama paved the way for him.

    As I repeatedly have pointed out: the left has 2 main motives for the freakout we are seeing now. The first is the abject fear of a Trump success, and what people will realize from that event about the failures of the left’s ideology. The second – and the one applicable here – is the fear that Trump uses the weaponized government Obama created, and the left hoped Hillary would turn on the enemies of the left, against them.

    I had me a chuckle when you started huffing anf puffing about your knowledge of the Greeks, and your posturing about your supposed historical knowledge. But as I expected you didn’t really learn anything from history beyond whatever confirmation bias you could produce from events. That ludicrous post about Trump being a tyrant after the things that Obama actually has done (while people like you had no problem with it), proves it.

    Here is a history lesson for you: tyranny is a totally and wholly owned by the left. The most tyrannical blights faced by humanity were communism and fascism. The left has spent 8 decades trying to convince people that fascism was something other than just another form of collectivism and that it had much more in common with communism than with anything else (both hold as a central tenet that government picks the winners and the losers). In fact, the modern left is nothing but a less directly brutal incarnation of fascism. They have created a society where they control whom succeeds and who doesn’t and use government to punish their enemies by destroying their ability to make a living.

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  15. stogy

    I had me a chuckle when you started huffing anf puffing about your knowledge of the Greeks, and your posturing about your supposed historical knowledge. 

    Glad I gave you a chuckle. You weren’t able to source one of the most important philosophical works from the ancient world, and left out the most important half of the thesis in your fawning description of its implication. I’m guessing it was more of an embarrassed guffaw that a full-throated hilarity.

    As I repeatedly have pointed out: the left has 2 main motives for the freakout we are seeing now. The first is the abject fear of a Trump success, 

    Based on his current performance, I don’t think we’re in any danger of that. No really.

     That ludicrous post about Trump being a tyrant after the things that Obama actually has done (while people like you had no problem with it), proves it.

    Obama passed power onto his successor and recognized the importance of the institution of ceding power following an election.

    = Ergo whatever your disagreements with Obama’s approach and policies, he was not a tyrant. He quite readily gave up power. It really is a central tenet of being a tyrant: that desire to hang onto power regardless of the cost to others. And to use all of the state’s powers and security forces to crush dissent.

    tyranny is a totally and wholly owned by the left.

    er… Pinochet, Papadopoulos, Salazar, Franco, Chaing Kei-shek, Marcos, Park, and Tojo might disagree with you.

    …. want me to go on?

    Oh, OK then. The Duvalier family, Diem, Suharto, Mubarak, Mobutu, the Somoza family, the Batistas, Carlos Castillo Armas in Guatemala, César Augusto Guzzetti, Hugo Banzer, Alfredo Stroessner… and let’s not forget the Brazilian military regime either.

    Oh look, I barely even touched on Africa.

    I would add Hitler and Mussolini, but I know you will just pick on them as being from the left, despite all the socialists, communists and other leftists, plus gays, gypsies and jews – people traditionally supported by liberals – that they had murdered, and their pandering to giant corporations and the military. So I’ll leave them out for the moment.

    But once you factor in Stalin and Mao, tyranny begins to look like an equal opportunity oppressor. Perhaps the message is that tyranny is bad, and is the opposite of liberal values? Although if you follow Plato’s argument – it is an inevitable consequence of them.

     The second – and the one applicable here – is the fear that Trump uses the weaponized government Obama created

    In other words… a tyranny! Thanks for making my point for me. Trump is a demagogue, who uses misdirection, misrepresentation of the facts, and radicalized populism to target opponents in the way that I have never seen in US politics before. The current hooey over the crowd numbers at the inauguration have done a stellar job of diverting attention away from his action on climate, abortion and jacking up the price of mortgage insurance for low wage earners.

    At the moment, it’s hard to work whether he is more stupid than dangerous, or the other way around. But to be magnanimous, I am willing to have a bet each way.

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  16. CM

    Alex if you don’t like people picking on your nonsense, then you could always stop with the nonsense. You have the power. Not that anyone on the right except Hal has the honesty to call you on it, so I can see how it must be a rude shock.

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  17. stogy

    Alex if you don’t like people picking on your nonsense, then you could always stop with the nonsense. 

    I have also been thinking about this a bit recently. I come here because I really like talking politics, and it’s much more interesting to talk to people who <strike>are completely wrong about everything</strike> have quite different opinions to my own.

    I also want to have some fun, but I don’t want anyone to feel bullied by any comments or jibes I might make at their expense. If I ever cross a line, just tell me to stop.

    Am I going soft? Alex??

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  18. Iconoclast

    Yet again, “words matter” except when they don’t.

    Well, if you’re trying to pin some kind of quote on me, try to get it right.  What I keep saying is that word have meanings.  Whether they “matter” is a separate question.

    Context does determine just how significant a word or group of words is.  If you want to talk about how much “words matter”, then start with the title of the post, which is in the form of a question.  Based on that title/question, it becomes obvious that it pertains to the second article Alex quoted, the implication being that what was “missing [from the] story” was the “fact” that the rapists were Muslims.  Whether that “fact” is true or not is debatable, but that is the general claim of Alex’ post.

    The first quoted article is a precursor, which is presumably there to indicate how the leftists media hesitates to divulge facts that conflict with the leftist narrative.  Using that model, Alex argues that the second article fails to divulge the fact of what nationality/faith the rapists are.

    Again, you can argue about the logic and layout of Alex’ argument all you want, but it should be clear that whether the thugs in the first article actually voted for Hillary is not all that important in the overall scheme of the argument being presented.  You seem to think it’s a foundational pillar to the argument, which would explain why you ignore pretty much all those other “words” (which apparently don’t matter, at least not to you) in your rush to obsess over the one word “voters”, a word which could be easily replaced by “supporters” without doing any damage to the overall argument at all.  Hence, the word is a side issue.

    But this does (again) illustrate why debating you is useless.  You can snark all you want about your “words matter” straw man, but you do clearly show just how little they mean to you.

     

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  19. Iconoclast

    Plato would argue that we are moving from democracy to tyranny right now. And if it isn’t Trump, it will be the one that comes after him.

    Even if that person is a Democrat???

    Some would argue that we moved from democracy to tyranny under Obama.  Remember, he disdained Congress (once it was no longer under exclusive Democrat control) and even the SCOTUS, while bragging about his pen and phone.

    Of course, you will blame that on those evil republicans, thereby proving how unbiased and objective you are…..

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  20. AlexInCT *

    Sorry but Plato is now another lefty shitrag. You can’t use him either.

    Way to prove my contention that facts and logic are not your strength CM!

    What I said – and I will type slowly for you – is that Stogy misrepresented facts by ignoring that Obama had already done the things Plato pointed out would be part of the coming of tyranny when the system failed, all so so he could grandstand and erect a strawman.

    Plato was no lefty idiot. At least not by my account. The clear lefty idiots posting here are obvious.

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  21. AlexInCT *

    Alex if you don’t like people picking on your nonsense, then you could always stop with the nonsense.

    If you were actually refuting the arguments and facts I presented, you might have a soap box to stand on. As things stand, I pointed out that you didn’t even bother to address the issue being talked about in the post, and simply and as usual, derailed the conversation in a way that even got others to call you out for the bullshit.

    But pretend the problem isn’t you bud. I don’t mind the near-stalkerish behavior a bit, even though I feel sorry you go through life being as dumb and obtuse as you are.

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  22. stogy

    is that Stogy misrepresented facts by ignoring that Obama had already done the things Plato pointed out would be part of the coming of tyranny when the system failed.

    So is Obama still president then? If yes, then he’s a tyrant. If no, then he’s not.

    It’s really not that hard, Alex.

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  23. AlexInCT *

    So is Obama still president then? If yes, then he’s a tyrant. If no, then he’s not.

    So Castro is not a tyrant then? What about Hitler? Mao? Chavez? The Kims? Pol Pot? Mussolini? What about Khomeini? Gaddafi? How about Hussein? By your logic, they all are no longer tyrants. After all, some of them are even dead.

    I say it again. Obama has so far done tyrannical shit. Trump’s only “crime” (that is in scary quotes to make fun of you leftists) is beating Hillary so far. When Trump sicks the IRS or DOJ on political enemies or decides to take a giant shit on the constitution and commit an act of war in a neighbors country so he can use that as an excuse to fuck over American’s 2nd amendment rights or something of the like, then you can pretend Trump has started giving Obama a run for the tyrannical crown.

    It’s really not that hard, Alex.

    No it isn’t. I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.

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