Yeah, I am rubbing it in..

The other day, on one of the many threads that degenerate into people flinging poo and hoping it sticks to the wall about Trump, I made the argument that some of the people I had talked to admitted that the major reason the left is so unhinged about Trump was tied to an abject fear that after decades of abysmal and compounded failures of the implementation of a slew of progressive ideas, and the horrible turn of the last 8 years in particular, that Trump would swoop in, and be successful. Of course, the usual crowd immediately attacked me for this, pointing out that I needed to find different liberals to talk to. Some even went so far as to imply that maybe I was just making shit up. bear with me as I set this up.

Then again, I clearly remember how the left was eager to see Reagan implement his ideas, back when he won in the early eighties, expecting them to crash and burn. At the time convention was that piss poor economic performance – the stuff that later came to be known as the carter malaise – was a given. All because big government and central planning – by the ascending club of douchebag credentialed elites that went on to run western democracies today – was the only way to go forward. these smug know-it-alls where certain that the Keynesianism and massive government expansion & control were the only thing that would work, only to freak out when Reagan’s changes resulted in a huge boom and unprecedented growth. Of course, the democrat controlled congress reacted to that boom by desperately trying to control the messaging and by sending twice what they collected out of the booming economy. Reagan was forced to go along with that so he could both get his military build up (which is what spelled the demise of the USSR) and the things he knew would spur and keep continued growth.

The left learned a huge lesson from that mistake: allowing something other than their idiotic ideas to be implemented was a recipe for disaster. After Reagan, no one would ever be allowed to challenge the standard lefty dogma unopposed. The taxpayers being fleeced, and the American people in general, be damned. And they thought they had won that battle with Obama and the narrative from the DNC operatives with bylines that spent 8 years telling us we were in a great economy, one that was always just around the corner from taking off like a bat out of hell because of the genius of the credentialed elite in charge. Mountains of money were thrown at problems those elites told us they knew how to solve. When it didn’t happen, they blamed everyone else for the failures but their stupid ideas. Heck, we even had people that argued that the reason these idiotic half-baked ideas did not pan out was that not enough money had been funneled to democrat special interest, friends, operatives, and campaign coffers! And they thought enough people were lapping the shit up that despite the abysmal reality one of the most crooked and opportunistic people would end up elected to carry on that legacy. But then reality kicked them in the teeth.

As soon as Trump won, the left, already unhinged but until then wrapping their miasma in a veneer of legitimacy, went batshit crazy. Snowflakes that had been given participation trophies and had gobbled up the propaganda about the virtues of the nanny state and its supremacy, suddenly had no idea what to do with that. Like religious fanatics, assured of their dogma’s supremacy, and smug in their belief they are the smart ones because they believe the right things, suddenly getting that all challenged, these people have basically experienced an existential crisis. The urge is to deligitimize and to assure failure (like they did with Boosh too). The enemy must be defined and defeated.

So what does this have to do with my original comment at the start of this post? Well, it seems I am not alone in having those lib friends that want Trump to not succeed/ It looks like others have similar friends or are noticing that there is definitely that component of fear of success by Trump there. Nothing is more dangerous to the nanny staters than real world events which will clearly show that their ideology offers neither real answers nor solutions. Especially in this day and age where they have lost control of the messaging.

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  1. West Virginia Rebel

    The left is scared to death of being completely demolished by a successful Trump presidency. Given the recent historical pattern, they are terrified that he may indeed get eight years in office. Rather than resigning themselves to simply being the loyal opposition, they have set themselves up as some sort of a delusional resistance movement from the Democratic leadership to college campuses to the entire state of California. They know they could lose their shot at passing on their BS to the next generation and will go out kicking and screaming and bringing the country to the brink of another civil war if they have to.

    I believe Trump can rise above all of this. One of the strengths he has going in is that he does not have to sink to their level and can simply ignore them, twitter wars aside. It would show the kind of man he is if he simply does his job and does not engage with these people. They’d be pushed back to the margins where they belong.

    One of Reagan’s strengths was his optimism and demeanor. He wasn’t afraid of a fight and didn’t suffer fools gladly, but for the most part he ignored them because he knew they were irrelevant. Trump will be well served if he follows the same course.

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  2. CM

    I honestly don’t think many opposed to Trump believe for a second that he’ll be successful (and therefore it doesn’t make sense that they’d be scared). And one thing Trump keeps proving over and over again is that ‘rising above’ is simply impossible. He would need a complete personality transplant. People are naturally going to bait him, knowing he just can’t resist abusing them back.

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  3. grady

    I think you need to define “successful”.  If Trump gets a wall built, gets several former sanctuary cities to start deporting felons that were in the country illegally and ends Syrian refugee immigration, will a liberal call that a success?  Would an increase in voucher or similar school choice systems be called a success by a liberal?  A decrease in tax rates with no increase in the deficit?

    What about no war (or kinetic military actions) with Russia and a drawdown in our military presence in Iraq/Afganistan?  The best Trump can hope for is a liberal to say it was almost enough?

    Ideology is one thing but goals are another.  There is some room for agreement on healthcare or the economy as far as what could be called a success, but credit is unlikely.

    A good example is the debates here when Hal has talked about the “success” of sequestration.

    I do agree, Alex, that there are many people that are worried that Trump will have enough success in the eyes of his supporters that he will be able to get a second term and influence elections in Congress and state elections to politicians of similar political leans.  That opposition comes from both the right and left.

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  4. grady

    For CM’s point about Trump somehow becoming more “presidential”, “respectable” or “rising above” the petty BS of today’s political insult culture?  I think we all have a good idea of the odds on that.  Trump is Trump and we have our first reality tv president.  Conversational conflict sells better ratings.

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  5. richtaylor365

     Nothing is more dangerous to the nanny staters than real world events which will clearly show that their ideology offers neither real answers nor solutions.

    It’s not that they are afraid of Trump, per se (although he is the face), it’s that any gains or successes he achieves totally repudiates the 8 years of Obama and the whole unsuccessful progressive agenda. Obama was not a hybrid, he was a 100% all in progressive, and the whole progressive ideology either sank or swam on his back, and the results are as plain as they are staggering. If Trump can fix healthcare,  secure the border, present a more business friendly federal government-one that rewards hard work and innovation and allows the American entrepreneurial  spirit to thrive, simplify the tax code, get education to work for all kids, and get folks back to working again,  show even a modicum of leadership as to instill confidence in our foreign allies, confidence that the American global commitment is back, if he can do any of these things, it will reveal to everyone what an utter failure Obama and his progressive polices were. That is what they are afraid of. And such a low bar, really.

     

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  6. CM

    I think you need to define “successful”.  If Trump gets a wall built, gets several former sanctuary cities to start deporting felons that were in the country illegally and ends Syrian refugee immigration, will a liberal call that a success?  Would an increase in voucher or similar school choice systems be called a success by a liberal?  A decrease in tax rates with no increase in the deficit?

    Excellent point.

    That is what they are afraid of. 

    LOL. Except no reasonable person would remotely agree with the utter nonsense you wrote before that, so your premise is inherently flawed. Which is my point. In order for people to be ‘scared’ of Trump being successful, you’d first have to get them to drink your anti-Obama partisan kool-aid. Otherwise, as an example, they’ll consider a person insured under Obamacare being kicked off insurance as a failure, not a success.

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  7. richtaylor365

    What utter nonsense, thanks for the validation, I knew I got it right but any squawking from you is an exclamation point.

    70% of folks said they thought the country was headed in the wrong direction, chaos across the globe, ACA unpopular, record numbers of low employment participation rate, stagnant wages through out the Obama years, $20 trillion in debt, and an absolute shoe in for the democratic party lost to a reality TV star with no experience in governing anything, keep drinking that Obama partisan kool-aid, it’s really helped you so far.

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  8. Iconoclast

    And such a low bar, really.

    My personal bar is even lower.  All Not-Hillary has to do is appoint Constitutional justices to the SCOTUS and not start WWIII.  If he does those things, I will consider it a successful Presidency.  Anything else he does that I agree with is gravy.

    This is primarily for the benefit of the resident lefties who will insist that Trump is “breaking his campaign promises” every time he flatulates, belches or scratches an itch.

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  9. CM

    Lame attempt at cherry-picking.

    Not to mention that 30% saying it’s on the right track doesn’t mean 70% think it’s on the wrong track. That’s not how polling works, Rich. Try 59%.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

    ACA unpopular

    For the first time since the very start it’s now more popular than it is unpopular.

    http://www.vox.com/2017/1/17/14297830/affordable-care-act-more-popular

    record numbers of low employment participation rate

    Have you managed to stop aging have you? Tell us how??!

    No different to the rest of the world, but I guess Obama is to blame for that as well. Why not.

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.TLF.CACT.ZS

    stagnant wages through out the Obama years,

    Since December, 2007, the peak of the last business cycle, real hourly wage growth “has averaged 0.8 percent a year, the fastest growth of any business cycle (measured peak-to-peak) since the 1970s,” according to Furman’s recent memo. Higher wage rates, longer hours, and strong job growth have combined to boost living standards. “From 2014 to 2015, real median household income”—that is, the income of the household bang in the middle of the income distribution—“grew 5.2 per cent, or $2,800, the fastest growth on record,” Furman also noted.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/obamas-economic-record-an-assessment

    $20 trillion in debt

    Be good to get an explanation as to why Method 3 here isn’t reasonable:

    https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293

    I know! ‘Obama’.

    Anyhow, the US becoming more progressive on social issues is perhaps the clearest legacy of the Obama era. (See ‘A more progressive nation’ graph in 538 link)

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  10. Iconoclast

    Looks quite successful.

    Looks like you also have an extremely low bar for defining success…..

    Sure, the man is charismatic and personally popular, but his policies sure as hell ain’t, especially his foreign policy.  The only real exception is gay marriage, and that was mostly judicial fiat.

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  11. CM

    Looks like you also have an extremely low bar for defining success…..

    My bar is based on reality – what actually has been achieved (given the starting points), but also what is actually possible. As much as I know it makes you physically ill, look at those social attitude shifts while he’s been at the helm ( ‘A more progressive nation’ graph in 538 link). That’s certainly a progressive ‘win’, as it can’t all just be progressives making up those numbers. Which is understandably why you and others are so desperate to use the Supreme Court instead (i.e. judicial fiat).

    On foreign policy those who approve or disapprove are almost the same:

    https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-foreign-policy

    Overall he leaves with a 58% approval rating.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/202349/president-obama-leaves-white-house-favorable-rating.aspx?

    So his personal popularity and job approval ratings are very similar:

    Obama will end his presidency with his personal popularity on an upswing. About six in 10 now view him favorably, and his job approval rating is in the mid-50% range.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/202349/president-obama-leaves-white-house-favorable-rating.aspx?

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  12. Iconoclast

    My bar is based on reality – what actually has been achieved (given the starting points), but also what is actually possible.

    Well, the reality I note is that the downward trends are quite a bit steeper than the upward ones, and his overall rating is still quite a bit lower than it was when he started.  You can spin it any way you like, but it still comes across as a low bar for success, and the spin comes across as desperation.

    As much as I know it makes you physically ill…..

    Reagan was right, our liberal friends do know soooo much that simply isn’t so, but far be it from me to rain on your fantasy.  Like I said, those upward trends are very shallow.  As for gay marriage, I stated years ago that I personally couldn’t care less.  I do have a problem with forcing people to participate when they would rather not, for whatever reason.

    I mean, if the Radio City Rockettes are allowed to not participate in the inauguration, if members of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir are allowed to not participate, but a baker or a florist is bullied and loses their business because they choose not to participate in a gay wedding, then you obviously have flagrant hypocrisy at work.

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  13. richtaylor365

    Oh boy, dueling links, always productive;

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/top_stories/right_direction_wrong_track_jan16

    Oh look, many of these weeks over 70% wrong direction.

    7 out of 10 think the economy is in bad shape, but yea Obama, what a guy.

    For the first time since the very start it’s now more popular than it is unpopular.

    Of course, after the election all the lies you guys spread about people losing their insurance, granny getting rolled off a cliff, scare tactics, all you guys got.

    Obama and the ACA, single handedly got Trump elected;

    http://reason.com/archives/2016/11/14/affordable-care-acts-unpopularity-helped

    but I guess Obama is to blame for that as well. 

    His watch, why not? Oh, yeah, global warming.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-94708000-americans-not-labor-force-participation-rate-drops

    Re: Stagnant wages, wow

    https://postimg.org/image/uocc3ynwv/

    Obama doubles the national debt and it’s not his doing, put down the bong.

    On foreign policy those who approve or disapprove are almost the same:

    50%, a ringing endorsement, way to go. Except, not quite;

    According to the poll, only 37 percent of American’s support Obama’s handling of foreign policy. The president’s approach in dealing with Islamic State (previously ISIS/ISIL) in Iraq and Syria has not won much approval, either, with 34 percent backing President Obama’s handling of the situation.

    At the same time, 73 percent of respondents would like to see the next US president to take another approach.

    Almost as many (70 percent) believe that the United States is heading in the wrong direction. Only 20 percent said they think that the country is on the right course.

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  14. CM

    Well, the reality I note is that the downward trends are quite a bit steeper than the upward ones

    Which ones in particular? Yes, some certainly are.

     his overall rating is still quite a bit lower than it was when he started. 

    See that’s a crazy comparison – he started out at ridiculous levels. It was only ever going to be lower, and more likely than going to be quite a bit lower.

    Like I said, those upward trends are very shallow. 

    That’s generally how trends work though. Otherwise it’s usually just noise.

    I mean, if the Radio City Rockettes are allowed to not participate in the inauguration, if members of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir are allowed to not participate

    I thought both groups were? Who said they weren’t “allowed” to?

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  15. stogy

    I mean, if the Radio City Rockettes are allowed to not participate in the inauguration, if members of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir are allowed to not participate, but a baker or a florist is bullied and loses their business because they choose not to participate in a gay wedding, then you obviously have flagrant hypocrisy at work.

    You don’t think it’s a bit of a stretch to argue that refusing to participate in a political event because of the sexist and discriminatory actions of one individual is somehow like the right to discriminate against an entire class of people because of who they are and who are doing something they have a legal right to do?

    I mean, the argument you are presenting here – that discriminatory treatment of gays and lesbians – is OK is essentially what MLK and others spent decades fighting against for another group of people.

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  16. stogy

    I made the argument that some of the people I had talked to admitted that the major reason the left is so unhinged about Trump was tied to an abject fear that after decades of abysmal and compounded failures of the implementation of a slew of progressive ideas, and the horrible turn of the last 8 years in particular, that Trump would swoop in, and be successful.

    You do realize that there are a great many on the right side of politics who are also deeply concerned about a Trump presidency, including Members of Congress. Some have also said that they won’t be attending the inauguration.

    I do want the values of Trumpism defeated – but not the ones you are talking about here. I want to see decency and civility brought back into politics. I want Republicans and Democrats to work together on generating good policy. I want to see fiscal restraint but adequate social support for the disadvantaged and marginalized.

    Most of all, I want to see an end to the idea that “ending political correctness” means you can behave like a dick and expect not to be called out for it. These are values that Democrats and Republicans alike used to share. In all of the melee, the notion of responsibility has somehow become unstitched from the jacket of citizenship.

    I want respect for the offices of the land returned – but this won’t happen as long as both sides play the delegitimizing game – of which the birther movement was one terrible example. If we keep going this way, it will further undermine federal institutions, and end in violence, or a coup.

    The urge is to deligitimize and to assure failure (like they did with Boosh too). The enemy must be defined and defeated.

    This is your exact modus operandi, Alex.

    Admit this: If thousands of buses, and hundreds of thousands of people were heading to Washington to protest against a Clinton presidency, you would be headlining this today as a perfect reason why Clinton should not be taking office. If the Democrats had blocked a SCOTUS nomination, you would be shouting from the rooftops about how illegitimate and unconstitutional this was.  Partisan politics, pure and simple.

    I am willing to give Trump credit for things he does that I agree with – taking the phone call from the Taiwanese Premier being a good example of this (he undid it later with stupid comments about throwing Taiwan under a bus in return for a China deal. It would have been smart to have stopped where he did, with just a hint of threat). I also approve of Trump’s choice of James Mattis for Defense Secretary and I think Wilbur Ross is not a bad choice for Commerce.

    Come on, this is your chance to say something bipartisan, and personally contribute to ending the current standoff. Come on, you can do it! Not that hard! No, really.

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  17. AlexInCT *

    I honestly don’t think many opposed to Trump believe for a second that he’ll be successful (and therefore it doesn’t make sense that they’d be scared). 

    You are likely going to be surprised that I am actually going to agree with you here, CM. The reason why is however where we differ. You think they feel that way because they expect Trump to fail, and thus have no fear. After all, he isn’t one of them! I think they are too stupid and indoctrinated to know better, and they are showing more of the same lack of vision that has left the world the disaster it is today.

    And one thing Trump keeps proving over and over again is that ‘rising above’ is simply impossible.

    Rising above what? The partisan bullshit from the left? Tell me, what do you think Trump could do that would suddenly make these howling monkeys throwing shit at him suddenly stop doing this crap?

    Don’t bother. I know nothing will ever be enough. The left will not ever forgive him for destroying their delusion of supremacy. Not even if he were to abdicate to a leftist and beg forgiveness while grovelling. And so does he, which is why he isn’t bothering.

    He would need a complete personality transplant.

    Which I hope never happens. I like Trump because he refuses to play the game by the rules the left expects people with an (R) next to their name to play, and has opted to play it like democrats do. He is bright enough to know the media is not just downright hostile to him, but nothing but mouth pieces for the corrupt left, and that the only way he stays ahead of them is to make them show how fucking biased and worthless they are. And man is he winning that game.

     

    People are naturally going to bait him, knowing he just can’t resist abusing them back.

    That gave me one heck of a laugh. The only person doing the baiting is Trump. He is trolling the idiot class that thinks they are the smarter ones so bad that it hurts. I almost feel sorry for the idiots that think they can take him on. I laugh at the ones that think they have gotten the upper hand when they have engaged him. Every time they try, they show their true colors, and more people feel glad they voted for Trump, or otherwise, that Hillary didn’t win.

    But hey, keep fantasizing. Trump has not even taken office yet and every economic or confidence indicator out there shows things are already changing. And even the rigged polls that over-sample leftists so they can give Obama higher ratings and make Trump look bad only serve to cement the feeling of those that have lost respect for the left and the left’s mouthpieces.

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  18. stogy

    But hey, keep fantasizing. Trump has not even taken office yet and every economic or confidence indicator out there shows things are already changing.

    Improvements in the economic mood are common with a change of government (not something the Obama administration had the benefit of), but yes, we’ll see how well it holds up after 12 months – that will be a better time to make an assessment. At the moment, it’s just a bump.

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  19. AlexInCT *

    The best Trump can hope for is a liberal to say it was almost enough?

    Trump could discover the cure for cancer and the left would find a way to turn it into a negative. Mind you, they will come across as total douches and be transparently acting like butthurt cunts, but they will still do it. They have no other avenue.

    When I say Trump will succeed, I m,ean he will get the country moving in the right direction, just like Reagan did. Mind you, it is absolutely important the we all understand that to the left, the things Reagan did, and what Trump says he plans to do, will never – never ever ever -be acknowledged as a success by the left. They see these things all as bad things. To them success is always tied to beliefs and a system that fucks humanity as long as they can pretend whatever nightmare they have straddled us with makes us all equally miserable and oppressed. Remember that “Social Justice” is code for equality of outcome. The left’s core ideology is predicated on creating something that guarantees everyone ending up with the same things or the same way, regardless of the individual’s effort, choices, and especially mistakes, made on the journey. An impossibility, and why collectivism always devolves into a tyrannical failure where the only people with what little wealth and prosperity of any kind are left after they destroy everything around them (North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and the direction western democracies are heading for, albeit at a slower pace) are the ones in charge. And that is by design.

    Anyway, my point is that the left will NEVER admit Trump was successful. The problem they have is that ordinary people – the ones not totally brainwashed by the bunk – will have the ability to make that determination. And if they can’t control the narrative like they used to, it will be impossible for them to convince enough of them that Trump clearly showed that the things the left believes in are bad by doing nothing else than doing something different. Rich gets it and I will requote him:

    It’s not that they are afraid of Trump, per se (although he is the face), it’s that any gains or successes he achieves totally repudiates the 8 years of Obama and the whole unsuccessful progressive agenda.

    What he said.

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  20. AlexInCT *

    Sure, the man is charismatic and personally popular,

    Assuming that “the man” you are talking about here is Obama, I would now even argue that perhaps that isn’t true at all. I have always suspected that many people due to fear of being labeled a racist have been less than truthful on how they really feel about him (note the election results). The recent revelations of how polls are overloaded with partisan democrats now adds another dimension that make it quite obvious how despite the man being a total failure his approval ratings remain far higher than even the “I don’t want to be labeled a racists” factor should allow.

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  21. AlexInCT *

    Improvements in the economic mood are common with a change of government (not something the Obama administration had the benefit of)

    No he only had operatives with bylines lie about things getting better for 8 years.

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  22. stogy

    No he only had operatives with bylines lie about things getting better for 8 years.

    Thankfully, you were there to set them right.

    Still not going to respond to the challenge I proposed? Too much for you? For everything you say about the left, you are the most rusted on politically partisan hack I have ever come across. I have never met anyone on the left unable to concede on a single point.

    I hope they pay you well.

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  23. richtaylor365

    You do realize that there are a great many on the right side of politics who are also deeply concerned about a Trump presidency

    As am I, no one knows for sure how he will govern and the unknown is always worrisome. That is why it is imperative that he surrounds himself with smart capable advisers. I am encouraged at how the senate confirmations are going.

     Some have also said that they won’t be attending the inauguration.

    Who? I know many of the dems won’t be there but have not heard any prominent Republicans will skip it.

     I want to see decency and civility brought back into politics

    A noble sentiment, but really, is that even possible? You have seen the rancor, the partisanship, the nastiness (on both sides), we are way beyond that. Noble gestures provide fodder for the giver to get kicked in the teeth. It has devolved into a cage match.

     I want to see fiscal restraint but adequate social support for the disadvantaged and marginalized

    Who doesn’t, really? Every politician in Washington would say they support those things (and pass a polygraph in the process), the devil is always in the details and they will never reach an impasse as to non partisan solutions.

    Most of all, I want to see an end to the idea that “ending political correctness” means you can behave like a dick and expect not to be called out for it.

    So you agree with the message but don’t like how it was delivered?

    of which the birther movement was one terrible example. 

    I can think of many more;

    Romney didn’t pay any income taxes.

    John Lewis accusing both McCain and Palin of stoking racial hatred and division, and likening them to George Wallace.

    A standing congressman (more John Lewis) claiming Trump is illegitimate.

    John McCain was a traitor and collaborated with the enemy while he was a POW.

    Admit this: If thousands of buses, and hundreds of thousands of people were heading to Washington to protest against a Clinton presidency, you would be headlining this today as a perfect reason why Clinton should not be taking office.

    But that would not happen, as evidenced by the last 2 inaugurations. We let them have their celebration day in peace, what are the odds you guys will reciprocate?

    If the Democrats had blocked a SCOTUS nomination, 

    You mean like these 10 times?

    Come on, this is your chance to say something bipartisan, and personally contribute to ending the current standoff. Come on, you can do it! Not that hard! No, really.

    I am encouraged that you ( a few times in this thread) said you would take a wait and see attitude before burying him, that is an improvement, and really, if honest with yourself, the only reasonable thing to do.

     

     

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  24. richtaylor365

    I think we can all agree that Pax Americana is more important now than ever before. A strong principled America filling the power vacuums that have been left unattended far to long, this benefits all freedom loving nations. Trump needs to disabuse himself of his isolationist protectionist instincts. Ditto with a strong EU and NATO, allies should trust each other and work together for the common goals we have always shared. Whether its Russian revanchism, autocrats murdering their citizens, or theocracies spreading and sponsoring terrorism, we can’t continue the practices of the last 8 years and just ignore these problems.

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  25. stogy

    Am I the only one who thinks Alex’s title for this post is one word too long? I mean, shortening it would match the content so much better…

    Jus sayin’…

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  26. AlexInCT *

    Thankfully, you were there to set them right.

    Actually, I thank the fact that alternative media did that. The same media the left now wants to control and do away with under the guise that that media produced fake news (when it all was coming from them).

    Still not going to respond to the challenge I proposed? Too much for you?

    What challenge is that? Some contrived bullshit you created that you think will produce a gotcha of some kind? I must have missed it.

    For everything you say about the left, you are the most rusted on politically partisan hack I have ever come across.

    Pot, kettle. Blah, blah, blah. As I already pointed out: I was totally agnostic on Trump until the left went batshit. and the more of it I see them more motivated I am to fight that. I got to see the ravages of what the left believes in first hand. I know people that were killed for simply not wanting to kow-tow to the nanny state. And I know that the left is playing for keeps and if they win, we all lose. Other than that, I am quite libertarian, but of course you would never know because while you are a fucking raging lunatic leftists you think you are the one that is in the center.

    I have never met anyone on the left unable to concede on a single point.

    Oh man, that was fucking priceless. Of course, you have not!

    You just reminded me of an old time joke that was dead on: Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Your usual progressive genius, and your usual progressive are all standing in the 4 corners of a soccer field. When the referee whistles they all take off after the ball in the center. Who kicks it first.

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  27. AlexInCT *

    Am I the only one who thinks Alex’s title for this post is one word too long? I mean, shortening it would match the content so much better…

    No, you are not the only idiot that is getting it wrong or fantasizing about me sexually, I am sure.

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  28. CM

    Oh look, many of these weeks over 70% wrong direction.

    Not current (which is clearly what we’re talking about – how Obama has finished). But even then, how is 4 since the start of 2012 (i.e. out of 260 weeks) “many” in any Earthly language? Loony tunes.

    7 out of 10 think the economy is in bad shape, but yea Obama, what a guy.

    Is? Your link is from 2014. Why the need to go back that far Rich? AND you left out the bit that followed: “fewer than in 2012, 2010 and 2008″.

    You really are becoming the master of the cherry-pick. The worst part is that you don’t even seem to care, so you’ll keep doing it. And nobody on ‘your’ side (apart from Hal) will call you on it.

    Of course, after the election all the lies you guys spread about people losing their insurance, granny getting rolled off a cliff, scare tactics, all you guys got.

    At least you admit you got this one wrong. The obvious problem with your explanation is that the upward trend has been consistent since late 2014. So, yeah, not sure who you’re trying to kid there.

    Obama and the ACA, single handedly got Trump elected;

    Single-handedly? That’s not even what your anecdote-relying opinion piece even remotely claims.

    It was well prior to the election that favorability went ahead, so that isn’t consistent with it even being a ‘decisive’ factor.

    His watch, why not?

    Possibly because he doesn’t control labour markets around the world (and has limited control over the US one). But at least you admit that you just don’t care. Or perhaps you didn’t understand English.

    Oh, yeah, global warming.

    What about it?

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-94708000-americans-not-labor-force-participation-rate-drops

    Right. Identical to the rest of the developed world. The boomers retiring is a key factor, as your piece points out. Where is the analysis which shows that the US is different to other countries in this regard because of Obama?

    Re: Stagnant wages, wow

    Wow, January 2015, another link which is 2 years old. Strangely you’ve managed to pick the precise month before they indeed started rising (see first graph):

    http://www.ibtimes.com/obamacare-wages-here-are-president-obamas-economic-highs-lows-five-charts-2361177

    Your second link goes back any further. Cherry-pick king, aren’t ya.

    Obama doubles the national debt and it’s not his doing, put down the bong.

    Didn’t think you could explain why it wasn’t reasonable. Thanks.

    50%, a ringing endorsement, way to go.

    Straw man.

    Except, not quite;

    My info was updated 6 hours ago and is a aggregation of all polls. Yours is over a month old and is a single poll. And that tweet is from August 2015.

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  29. Iconoclast

    You don’t think it’s a bit of a stretch to argue that refusing to participate in a political event because of the sexist and discriminatory actions of one individual is somehow like the right to discriminate against an entire class of people because of who they are and who are doing something they have a legal right to do?

    I think equating “refusing to participate in a[n] event” with “discriminat[ing] against an entire class of people” is a stretch, to the breaking point.  The baker and florist didn’t “discriminate against an entire class of people” by any stretch of the imagination.  They didn’t refuse service to gays who entered their shops.  They simply chose not to endorse or participate in gay weddings.  In a free country, a person should have the right to not participate in something, and shouldn’t have to answer to anybody for it.

    Either we have religious liberty in this country or we don’t.

    If you lose your business because of a decision rooted in your religious faith, you no longer have religious liberty.  Plain and simple.

    If these shop keepers had a monopoly in the region, then maybe you would have a case.  But in a free society, if someone chooses not to participate in your event, for whatever reason, you simply ask someone else, rather than (literally) making a federal case out of it.

    If you go to ten shops and they all refuse, then again, you may have a case.  But suing one when there are others you haven’t even considered is simply bullying and advancing an agenda.  It ain’t justice.

     

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  30. Iconoclast

    See that’s a crazy comparison – he started out at ridiculous levels.

    Yeah, and whose fault is that???   That this empty suit was vastly oversold is part of the problem.  That people ate it up is another part.

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  31. stogy

    No, you are not the only idiot that is getting it wrong or fantasizing about me sexually, I am sure.

    Wow! Awesome comeback, man! No, really.

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  32. stogy

    Again, where is my post? Who moderates posts here?

    Hi CM. I am not a moderator here (obviously) so I can’t confirm this, but  from my experience on other WordPress sites is that there may have been something in your reply that generated an automatic “waiting for moderation” response. Where it goes after that is anyone’s guess. As far as I know, no-one moderates comments here… do they?

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  33. stogy

    What challenge is that? Some contrived bullshit you created that you think will produce a gotcha of some kind? I must have missed it.

    You complained about partisan politics. I said that was your modus operandi, and asked you to make a comment on something that Obama has done that you support – as a way of showing a commitment to bipartisanism and decency in politics, to end the win at all costs approach.

    No tricks. No gotchas.

     

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  34. AlexInCT *

    You complained about partisan politics. I said that was your modus operandi, and asked you to make a comment on something that Obama has done that you support – as a way of showing a commitment to bipartisanism and decency in politics, to end the win at all costs approach.

    See my morning post.

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  35. richtaylor365

    I am not an administrator, just an author, I do not “moderate” comments, don’t even know what that means or would know how to do it if I wanted to, sorry.

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  36. CM

    If a post has more than 5 links then it gets held back until someone with appropriate rights oks it. Usually doesn’t take too long. Weird.

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  37. Hal_10000

    CM, I approved it.  Sorry for the delay. I usually get notices of pending comments.  Not going to approve the conflict-of-interest post though as it’s just too long.

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  38. CM

    Thanks. Is it up to you alone? Seems unfair on you.

    Conflict of interest, no problem, not as though anyone here has any real interest in it anyway. He had loads of blank folders.

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  39. AlexInCT *

    As of 3:15 p.m. on Friday, officials in New York, Delaware and Florida, where Trump’s companies are registered or incorporated, said they had not yet received the paperwork necessary for Trump to officially transfer control of his businesses to his two eldest sons and a longtime associate, according to the report.

    Because as we all know, the legal morass that exists today can simply be ignored and done away with, with just a wave of the hand and a pen. Especially since what is being asked of him could cost him billions – personally. From the article:

    The president isn’t required by law to completely divest from business interests.

    Reread that part. Also, regulations are a bitch to comply with, and the more money there is involved, the more regulations you have to work around or with. Talk to me in 6 months, and if he still has not divested himself or shown effort in doing that, or when the DNC operatives with byline that have finally found some purpose other than being the sycophants they have spent the lats 8 years being, have found he has done something seriously unethical to benefit himself (for real though, not the usual nonsense that they only worry about when it is not a democrat doing it), and we might have something in common.

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  40. CM

    You never disappoint. I love how the standard is now “seriously unethical”. Can’t be long until it’s “nobody died”. LOL.

    He said it would be done by inauguration day. Why say it if you have no intention of doing it? The guy is a pathological liar of course (we already know this).

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  41. AlexInCT *

    He said it would be done by inauguration day. Why say it if you have no intention of doing it?

    Wait, are you talking about Obama or Trump here? Because if it is about Obama, even though it is some 8 years too late, it is very welcome to see it admitted finally. If it is about Trump, then in the name of fairness, you should just STFU and stop trying to pretend you have any moral high ground to stand on. That double standard is showing, and it makes you look petty when you act as if it is others that lack one. Glass houses and throwing stones, something something.

    The guy is a pathological liar of course (we already know this).

    Never heard you say that about Obama or Clinton, which so far run circles around Tump when it comes to not telling the truth and abusing power. But then again, as I already mentioned, with people like you the other guys is the only one that is partisan or lacking in morals for doing the stuff that is natural to those of your ideology. If you only played by the same rules you want others to play bye.

    It will be fun to watch the left suddenly discover, say, and demand all the very things that they told everyone didn’t matter, after spending 8 long excuse making mode years for the crooks they worship, now demanding we hold someone else to the strictest of standards without any room for exclusion or discussion. There is zero latitude or consideration for Trump, while Obama, and Hillary had she been elected, not only abused their power with your blessing, but also your defense of that. And I bet the ones now demanding we declare Trump bad for that, won’t even see the irony in their ways. Keep it up man: more and more people will realized the left just has no standards and has gone of the deep end, and feel far less compelled to even listen to them.

    As I mentioned, I will worry about this nonsense when Trump actually does something that breaks the law or abuse power. But hey, grandstand all you want bro. I will just remind you of your double standards and laugh at your idiocy.

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  42. AlexInCT *

    You bust be speaking about yourself there buddy. Irony: look it up.

    BTW, this, is more than enough for me to be satisfied that he has done to make sure there are no direct conflicts.

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  43. CM

    Right, and it’s meaningless, as agreed by the non-partisan experts (and anyone with at least one working brain cell). All basically “just trust me”.  Just another example of how you never actually meant anything you’ve ever claimed about ethics previously, especially during the last eight years. Here is your cue to argue that you’re simply the mirror image of those you despise. LOL.

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