Done Deal

I know this comes as a shock. I mean, after all, there were appeals for the Electoral College to overturn the election from Martin Sheen and Michael Moore. But, no, the Electoral College vote went … almost as expected:

Donald Trump has surpassed the necessary 270 votes in the Electoral College, the next step in the official process to become President.

Trump received 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton’s 224. Six “faithless” electors voted for other candidates, costing Trump two votes and Clinton four. And Hawaii’s electors are still set to meet later Monday, with the state’s four votes expected to go to Clinton.

The results mean Trump — who lost the popular vote by more than 2 percentage points to Clinton — easily staved off a long-shot bid by opponents to turn Republican electors against him.

The Electoral College results will be officially certified January 6 during a joint session of Congress.

(Of course, I’m sure some crazy person will come up with a scheme whereby Congress could overturn the Electoral College.)

There were actually nine faithless electors today, matching the total of all election since 1912 combined. Two Texans voted for Kasich and Paul. Three Washingtonians voted for Colin Powell. One voted for Faith Spotted Eagle. One Minnesota elector and one Maine elector voted for Sanders but were overruled. And one Colorado elector voted for Kasich but was overruled.

And that is kind of amazing. I am a bit hesitant to read too much into the actions of nine people, but electors almost never do this. It was a protest vote, yes, but a protest vote with fire. It is a reminder that the 2016 election was a vote against political insiders and that the public will happily turn on Trump is he turns out to be just another insider in outsider clothing.

Hopefully, this will bring some closure and start to diminish the bad craziness we’ve seen from the Left since November 9. We need an opposition that has at least some of its marbles. And an opposition that is, for example, urging the Electoral College to overturn an election based on anonymous CIA claims that the Russians released some politically embarrassing information on the Democrats does not have its marbles.

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  1. West Virginia Rebel

    So what exactly is the status of these votes? Are they actually allowed or not? Not that it made much of a difference in the long run, but there were quite a few defectios from Hillary and they were apparently disallowed, so will there be changes to the electoral College in the future?

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  2. West Virginia Rebel

    So what exactly is the status of these votes? Are they actually allowed or not? Not that it made much of a difference in the long run, but there were quite a few defections from Hillary and they were apparently disallowed, so will there be changes to the electoral College in the future?

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  3. AlexInCT

    I believe more electors defect from/because of Clinton than Trump (5 to 4) which kind of makes all the pants shitting on the left about “Not my president” and having to stop “Trump-Hitler” look even more stupid/ridiculous.

    Best Christmas evah with all these moonbats acting out, I tell ya…

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  4. Hal_10000 *

    Clinton has four defections and three attempted defections that were not allowed under state law.  Trump had two defections. In Clinton’s defense, several of her defectors said they would have voted for her had she won. But since she lost, they wanted to cast a protest vote.

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  5. richtaylor365

    Hopefully, this will bring some closure and start to diminish the bad craziness we’ve seen from the Left since November 9.

    Highly doubtful, hence;

    http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/12/18/liberals-attack-16-year-old-will-sing-trumps-inauguration/

    and

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/15/washington-dc-marching-bands-skipping-donald-trump-inaugural-parade

    You expect a leopard to change it’s spots, I expect them to get even more nasty, even more petulant, to unify to obstruct, hinder and frustrate Trump in all endeavors, no matter how noble or necessary.

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  6. CM

    Trump has revealed himself as a dispicable human being. He won the election sure, but why shouldn’t people refuse to take part in events celebrating his victory? How is that ‘nasty’ of ‘petulant’? I think it’s nastier to, in any way, align yourself with or endorse such an obvious scumbag. Good on them.

    Hal, did you mean say “if” he turns out to be another insider? You mean when people realise they’ve been conned (those who have the ability to, or even care).

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  7. AlexInCT

    Keep it coming CM! Every time you post your drivel I get a shiver in my leg at the angry prog tears you are shedding.

    Here you are accusing Trump of being evil for something he has not done – contrary to your assertion, that he chose to highlight the tantrums being thrown and point out that these people can’t even behave like adults, doesn’t mean that he is telling them they can’t act out like petulant children – and completely ignore the last 8 years where any protest of Obama, but especially the legitimate concerns, was met with accusations of being motivated by racism or worse.

    Double standards baby: if it was not for those leftist wouldn’t have any.

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  8. richtaylor365

    To those poor souls that suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome, you have my sympathies, but you can help yourself. Go see a shrink, change your diet, start running, or you can just move to a cave.

    But know this, any criticisms no matter how valid will be dismissed as simply a symptom of your malady. You have zero credibility here, nobody is going to listen to you or pay you any mind at all, simple ramblings of  lunatics, and you brought it upon yourselves. The guy isn’t even in office, so what, we lost, we are angry so out come the insults and dire predictions of doom. Go bother the 5 year olds over at moveon but you are no going to get a second of consideration here. And it matters not that you get thumbs up from other reach arounders, delusion loves company.

    None of your pathology makes Trump a better man than he is or will make him a better president, he has to do this all on his own, but rational folks will take a wait and see approach, you guys are not rational, too bad for you.

    This is going to be fun.

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  9. AlexInCT

    Obama’s incarnation from Orwell’s 1984 can’t die soon enough for me. Remember when it was the right that was accused of wanting to force conformity of thought and control sexuality? 8 Years of Obama has created a PC environment where everyone is divided (it is easier to control people when they stuck into subgroups and then are set against each other) and sex now taboo and controlled in colleges & universities while fetishized sex is thought in 4th and 5th grade.

    The left was also on a crusade to disarm people to make sure they could better control the sheep. After all, too many of us started to feel that the fleecings had reached a point of no return. The victory has already happened: Hillary lost and hopefully will get her just rewards (my dream is a license plate she made for me). The Obama years have been repudiated, and the crap he did can’t be rolled back quick enough for me. The best part of this is the pants shitting and cry-babying that the left will give us all to enjoy as the damage is finally rolled back. The best part is that these idiots can’t help but grasp at straws to keep the delusion going. No, it isn’t the flawed ideology and the stupid shit they have done that was the problem, it was the racists, misogynists, homophobes, and the fucking Russians that all conspired to steal it from our savior Hillary!

    Yes Rich, this is going to be awesome to watch. There is a reason that the left so desperately wanted to make it un-PC to make fun of the things they believe in: humor – making fun of the left and the left’s ideas and behavior – is the most powerful and effective means to neutralize it. Ridicule, justly deserved, is the best medicine to the rot on the left.

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  10. CM

    Nice try guys but the election result made no difference to the guy he is, as evidenced through the campaign (and beforehand). The only difference appears to be that you, albeit reluctantly, agreed with that prior to the election. Now it’s INSANITY to suggest such a thing.

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  11. AlexInCT

    Nice try guys but the election result made no difference to the guy he is, as evidenced through the campaign (and beforehand).

    You mean not-Hillary? I sure as hell hopes so. There was one, and one thing that was paramount to me this election: to prevent the dark side from winning. And it happened. Evil got Trumped. Literally.

    The only difference appears to be that you, albeit reluctantly, agreed with that prior to the election.

    WTF are you talking about? I said that he was a douche then, not because of the shit that makes you leftists all stoopid, but because the guy was too full of himself. That however neither disqualifies him from the job, nor makes him likely to be a bad choice. Looks at the narcissistic asshole finally vacating the WH in a few weeks. He makes Trump look normal, and leftists making excuses for the douche wouldn’t stop sucking his shit covered dick after he buttfucked you. And you wanted to replace that asshole with a criminal with an even more destructive personality and no redeeming qualities. But, look! Trump=Hitler because he is not a leftist douche.

    Now it’s INSANITY to suggest such a thing.

    Insanity to suggest what? Because I am not seeing anyone “suggest” anything, anyone rebuffing any serious suggestions, and what we have is exactly the opposite. You assholes are are making shit up whole cloth to try and discredit the man. These cunts are acting as if the world has come to an end and throwing a childlike tantrum, because reality refused to conform to your ideology. That doesn’t reflect badly on Trump, but on you assholes, that for example, suddenly discovered all the things you like to whine about that went away under Obama, again. The travesty is that you are even too stupid to wait for the guy to actually take office before you try to pin it all on him, making it blatantly obvious that you are not trying to contribute anything of value, but just want to burn the shit down out of spite.

    I can’t wait for Trump to actually run circles around you idiots, yet again, and see you go fucking batshit as he dismantles some (hopefully most) of the bullshit the left forced on us these last 8 years. As I pointed out already: even if he is but a mediocre president, it will be such a contrast with the 8 Obama years that nobody will be left able to pretend Obama was not the worst president of the last century, if not overall. The guy may  be a boor and a douche, but ending the destructive hold the left has on this world is a welcome change, and good for humanity in general, even if people like you refuse to see or believe that.

    “Suggest” whatever nonsense you want, but don’t expect anyone to take dumb shit seriously. Especially when done out of spite and you continue to give a pass to leftist for far worse shit.

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  12. CM

    You mean not-Hillary? 

    I mean judging the guy on everything we know about him.

     There was one, and one thing that was paramount to me this election: to prevent the dark side from winning.

    Except that since then anyone who is consistent in maintaining their pre-election position about the guy is apparently deranged. Which is obviously  just ridiculous. The guy hasn’t undergone a complete personality transplant since the election. He’s still the same colossal douche.

    But, look! Trump=Hitler because he is not a leftist douche.

    I never said he was Hitler, or anything close. Peddle your made up shit to someone else Alex.

    Insanity to suggest what? 

    You guys are making out that people are arseholes for maintaining their opinion that the guy is a nasty piece of work. But they haven’t changed, the only thing that appears to have changed is your reaction to it, on the basis that winning the election somehow redeems Trump as a human so everyone needs to fall in line.

    You assholes are are making shit up whole cloth to try and discredit the man. 

    I haven’t made up a single thing Alex. You, on other hand continue to make up shit in almost every post. E.g. saying I’ve made shit up just there. Who are trying to kid?

    The travesty is that you are even too stupid to wait for the guy to actually take office before you try to pin it all on him, making it blatantly obvious that you are not trying to contribute anything of value, but just want to burn the shit down out of spite.

    What am I pinning on him Alex? Go on, please elaborate? Or admit you’re full of shit yet again. As always in these situations I won’t be holding my breath.

    nobody will be left able to pretend Obama was not the worst president of the last century, if not overall. 

    Come on, surely he’s the worst human in the history of humankind? Or perhaps even the worst LIVING ORGANISM in history? Have you considered that?! You fruitloop.

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  13. CM

    But know this, any criticisms no matter how valid will be dismissed as simply a symptom of your malady

    And there we have it.

    Step 1: Accuse anyone who says anything negative about Trump as suffering from TDS.

    Step 2: Anything from anyone you’ve determined is suffering from TDS can be ignored.

    How woefully predictable. At least you’re honest, I guess.

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  14. stogy

     

     

    Rich:

    To those poor souls that suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome, you have my sympathies, but you can help yourself.  …But know this, any criticisms no matter how valid will be dismissed as simply a symptom of your malady. You have zero credibility here, nobody is going to listen to you or pay you any mind at all, simple ramblings of  lunatics, and you brought it upon yourselves. The guy isn’t even in office, so what, we lost, we are angry so out come the insults and dire predictions of doom.

    Deranged, you say? I give you exhibit A, courtesy of our very own Alex. The only thing is, he has managed to ascribe the derangement syndrome, and all of its attendant horrors, to the losing candidate. And he just can’t, can’t, won’t let go. Like a aged feral little terrier with his dull teeth wrapped around a trouser leg:

    They spent the last 8 years weaponizing the government and expected Hillary to basically cut that machine loose on those of us that had until then resisted their charge to “fundamental transform what was left of America” after Obama had not completed the work they wanted. Hillary was to basically wipe her ass with the Constitution and recreate the marxist utopia they all fantasize about, and rollover any of us that dared speak out against it.

    If it weren’t such vapid nonsense, it would be hilarious. Scratch that, it is hilarious! Hillary a Marxist? Bwahahahahahahaha! This is idiocy at its finest. Splendid work, Alex. Keep it up. Hillary derangement syndrome – and for the losing candidate.

    And all of the rest of you here just pretend it’s a problem for the liberal left. Perfect. Nudge nudge, wink wink, eh?

     

     

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  15. CM

    It’s not that it’s so banal, it’s just so OBVIOUSLY banal. So lazy. Like completely giving up but being so comfortable with your fellow travellers that you just don’t care. Which explains Trump. The guy who was elected based on massive massive lies, primarily his economically impossible promises to the exact type of people he’s personally screwed over for decades. And now it’s not ‘anyone but Hillary’, it’s deriding those who would dare criticise The King. Kiss the ring y’all!

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  16. AlexInCT

    I mean judging the guy on everything we know about him.

    That he is neither as crooked or contemptible of a person as Hillary Clinton? Because that is the only fact in evidence about him that mattered.

    Except that since then anyone who is consistent in maintaining their pre-election position about the guy is apparently deranged. 

    Who has denied you the ability to do that? In case your problem is the inability to understand English or logic, let me point out that I don’t give a fuck about people having whatever opinion they have of Trump until they start acting out on them like the left has done. At that point, when you try to demand a do over because you don’t like the results, then double down on accusing those of us that have had enough of your bullshit of being motivated by base and vile emotions, you can take a fucking long walk off a short pier for all I care.

    And don’t expect me to engage you in a serious conversation when your “concern” is leftist tropes and PC bullshit I could care less about. Especially when you keep pretending a criminal and vile person would have been a better result. If you want to be taken seriously, then drop the usual trope and talking points, admit the left is morally bankrupt and this happened because of that, and maybe someone might feel compelled to waste time talking to you other than to make fun of your stupidity, double standards, and TDS.

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  17. stogy

    The guy who was elected based on massive massive lies, primarily his economically impossible promises to the exact type of people he’s personally screwed over for decades.

    Exactly, CM. Did you see how at a rally last week Trump explained to the audience how he thought the line “clean the swamp” was ridiculous and nonsensical, but tried it out anyway? And then when it hit a nerve, he ran with it? His commitment to it is obviously nil. It was simply a sales pitch. As is everything he said during the campaign.

    Trump does something right, he’ll get the credit. So far, I liked that he called the Taiwanese President (after which, he threw the country under a bus, making it crystal clear it was simply a negotiating position). But that’s it. Apart from that, I have seen little that gives me confidence.

    But pointing that out, and the lack of clear policy direction, the sexism, the backtracks, the bald-faced lies, the choice of business leaders who have made a great deal of money screwing the middle classes as various secretaries of state – all this is somehow seen as somehow “not giving the guy a chance.” Well boo-fucking-hoo!

    But Alex frothing at the mouth with his ludicrous and evidence-free conspiracy theories about the ‘Marxist’ Hillary Clinton – the loser – is somehow all fine.

    Sore winners are so much worse than sore losers, don’t think? I’m fed up with it.

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  18. CM

    And Alex just keeps doubling down on the woefully banal. I love how he can’t have a discussion unless we adopt his nut job narrative. Even he knows his nonsense is indefensible unhinged rantings.

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  19. Iconoclast

    Trump has revealed himself as a dispicable human being.

    Irrelevant.  Hillary is even more despicable, but there is no reason to believe the DC marching bands would have broken tradition on her account.  Double standard.

    Good on them.

    Yeah, good on those people for attacking a 16-year-old.  Bravo.  And good on those hypocrites who would have marched for Hillary, who is just as despicable as Trump.

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  20. Iconoclast

     I think it’s nastier to, in any way, align yourself with or endorse such an obvious scumbag.

    See?  The problem is that these kinds of statements imply that Hillary isn’t an obvious scumbag, which she clearly is.  So your credibility tanks as a result.

    Sure, you will still get the thumbs ups from the clueless reach-around secret admirers, which only reveals how clueless they are.

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  21. richtaylor365

    Stogy, I don’t know any other way, from the 3 or 4 times already, that I can make it any clearer. I expect the same courtesy/decency that I gave Obama when he first took office, a wait and see what happens attitude before setting him on fire, how is that not the reasonable thing to do? And if it is reasonable and virtuous, why is it so hard for you guys?

    An honest assessment of all the authors here reveals a critical objectivity to Trump, unless you ignore everything that has been written here for the last 16 months. But with that objectivity comes a certain element of fair play, of at least letting him get out of the starting gate before commenting on his running.

    And you guys are still ruminating over the election, Trump lied, he tricked and duped those that voted for him, yes, it was all duplicity and stupid hick voters that got him elected, keep running with that.

    Yeah, I think to a degree you and cress are fair minded and do represent the other side well, but you trash your own credibility by 1) Not understanding the how and the why of Trump’s win, and 2) insulting those that just could not countenance a Hillary presidency.

    Sore winners are so much worse than sore losers, don’t think? I’m fed up with it.

    I have no idea what you mean by that, who is sore here except the Hillary supporters?

    Oh, and should I update the blog with a running daily tally of days after Trump won with no reported lynchings? You still think it is a good idea to not disavow yourself of that highly unfortunate claim you made?

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  22. AlexInCT

    Let them circle jerk up vote each other Icon. Its downright meaningless because we all know who is just giving the other the reach around, and none of us non-idiots are either surprised or affected in any way by these morons.

    I am laughing my ass off at the displays of illogic and downright double standards coming from these morons out there pants shitting because they can’t get their way, as well as our resident idiots trying their best to help the deligitimization machine, whom you damned well know would be telling us we have no ground to stand on had the devil they worship won the election instead.

    These people acting all butt-hurt now because we will not take their tantrum seriously are the same idiots that have spent decades making excuses for despicable people and actions on the left, ranging from Bill Clinton – whom actually raped women – and other such fellow ideologues, to the more recent DNC orchestrated election rigging efforts, which they now desperately want you to forget about. The left, and in particular the people they are mad lost, have been engaged in all sorts of despicable and real crimes, but now the Trump haters are throwing a hissy fit because Trump says things they don’t like. Exposing the US to espionage by conducting government business on an illegal server so you can hide the criminal activity your foundation was involved in was just a right-wing made up scandal. The left yawned big and hard at those of us that pointed out the national security implications, and shrugged it off as much ado about nothing (even though there are people spending decades in jail for much less). Then they lose the election, and suddenly the red scare is a huge security problem, because they need something big to distract people from the facts that the leaked emails revealed.

    You can’t find a more despicable and manipulative bunch of assholes than these people that did this and the assholes that still want you to believe these people were a better choice. Fuck them. These idiots now pissed that we ignore their tantrums and false attempts at impugning Trump, are not to be taken seriously. The only response that’s worthy is ridicule.

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  23. AlexInCT

    And you guys are still ruminating over the election, Trump lied, he tricked and duped those that voted for him, yes, it was all duplicity and stupid hick voters that got him elected, keep running with that.

    Please, please please, keep running with that and the meme that the Trump voters are all hateful racist, misogynist, homophobic, and evil people. I hope the left doubles down on calling people that have realized the left doesn’t have either their best interest in mind or an agenda that leads to anything but disaster, deplorable and vile. I in fact ask that we get more of the tantrums and stupidity. Sure the ideologues will all swallow up that cock hook, line, and sinker, but sane people will all realize that these people shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near places where adults are needed.

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  24. Iconoclast

     The guy who was elected based on massive massive lies, primarily his economically impossible promises to the exact type of people he’s personally screwed over for decades.

    I seriously doubt that Trump personally screwed all 63 million people who voted for him, but that is what your over-simplifying, pigeon-holing argument makes it sound like.  No, Trump won for a variety of reasons, and not all of them are based on economics.  A lot of people simply voted against Hillary and her implied promise of a third Obama term.  They voted for change, and were willing to take the associated risks.  But yeah, keep on preaching those left-wing talking points, and keep on pretending that Hillary’s campaign was based on nothing more than the unvarnished Truth……

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  25. stogy

    Please, please please, keep running with that and the meme that the Trump voters are all hateful racist, misogynist, homophobic, and evil people.

    er….OK. CM, did you say any of this? I don’t remember saying this. I do remember a “stupid libs” meme running loud and wide.

    I am so glad to see that others are calling you out on this, Alex. It warms the cockles of my heart to see that the hypocrisy of you guys ….er … never ends.

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  26. stogy

    Rich:

    Stogy, I don’t know any other way, from the 3 or 4 times already, that I can make it any clearer. I expect the same courtesy/decency that I gave Obama when he first took office, a wait and see what happens attitude before setting him on fire, how is that not the reasonable thing to do? And if it is reasonable and virtuous, why is it so hard for you guys?

    Appointments are happening now. They are the business of now. Much of my critique has focused on that. I have also drawn attention to Trump’s verbal backtracks, admissions of half truths, and some of the stuff he said and did in the campaign (e.g mocking a person with a disability). Last week he made it clear that his support for Taiwan is a negotiating position with China. A woman who claims she was raped by Trump as a minor was terrorized into withdrawing her case). These are issues that are and were discussed in the election. They are issues that are happening now.

    There is no need to wait and see – this is shit that deserves to be critiqued. And he should continue to have his feet held to the coals over them. I have not said “he is not my president”. When is president, I will focus on the issues of his presidency. I don’t plan to stop.

    But at the moment, you are focusing all of your “sore loserville” rhetoric on the couple of leftwing commenters here, while a guy who thinks “Hillary=the apocalypse” runs loose with wild and evidence-free conspiracy theories. You can’t call out one (unjustly, IMHO), while ignoring the rampaging terrier that is Alex.

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  27. CM

    Irrelevant.  Hillary is even more despicable, but there is no reason to believe the DC marching bands would have broken tradition on her account.  Double standard.

    It’s only a double standard if they think Hillary is as despicable, or even more so. Just because you think so, that doesn’t apply a double standard to them. Assuming they would have taken part of course, had Hillary won.

    Yeah, good on those people for attacking a 16-year-old.  Bravo.  

    You applied my previous statement to the marching bands, but now this? Wow, you do my work for me.

    See?  The problem is that these kinds of statements imply that Hillary isn’t an obvious scumbag, which she clearly is.  So your credibility tanks as a result.

    I have no interest in having ‘credibility’ with anyone who thinks Hillary is on even remotely the same level as Trump. But this is what I’d expect from those who moved beyond reality and facts. No narrative is needed to know who and what Trump is, it’s all there in front of us, most of it directly from his words and actions. Whereas the ‘Hillary is even more despicable’ narrative is hilariously weak and requires nutjobbery. Which you’re only too happy to partake in, obviously.

    Sure, you will still get the thumbs ups from the clueless reach-around secret admirers, which only reveals how clueless they are.

    Wow, you sure love humping that thumbs-up leg don’t you. Failing to climax, is that the issue?

    I seriously doubt that Trump personally screwed all 63 million people who voted for him

    Wow, being completely disingenuous again. What a surprise.

    The point is – Trump won because of a relatively small number of voters (mere tens of thousands) in a few states, which he targeted by making ridiculous promises that he’d never be able to even remotely deliver on, in additional to whole raft of other lies. The people he made those promises to are those ‘working stiffs’, the people he has screwed over because ‘if you don’t like something don’t pay for it’.

    keep on pretending that Hillary’s campaign was based on nothing more than the unvarnished Truth……

    Keep on preaching this ridiculously false equivalence. Not sure who you think you are kidding.

    The larger point being – Trump winning, and not being Hillary, doesn’t change who Trump is or make him less awful. Certainly criticism must be reasonable and valid and at the moment we can judge him on his words and his actions so far, which is what has happened (despite claims to the contrary).

    er….OK. CM, did you say any of this? I don’t remember saying this. I do remember a “stupid libs” meme running loud and wide.

    It’s an overwhelming torrent of utter bullshit, from start to finish. But I don’t even think he knows.

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  28. CM

    Bill Clinton – whom actually raped women

    Other than your hyper-partisan nutjobbery, what is the difference between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump in terms of being an actual rapist? Neither have been charged and convicted, but both have been accused. Last time I asked about this the silence was deafening.

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  29. richtaylor365

    Appointments are happening now.

    So what? Are any of these appointments doing anything official e.g. making policy or actually doing anything? See, this is what I mean, take a pause for chrissakes, go on vacation, or just take a chill pill. Wait until they actually do something in their official capacities, I know you are just chomping at the bit, it will come soon enough, then you can rip him.

     Much of my critique has focused on that. I have also drawn attention to Trump’s verbal backtracks, admissions of half truths, and some of the stuff he said and did in the campaign (e.g mocking a person with a disability). 

    I guess you really did fall off the turnip truck yesterday. I mean, no politician like ever  made campaign promises that did not translate into actual action once elected. All that stuff happened on the campaign trail, again [broken record] wait until he is sworn in, then see what happens. Why does this sound so unreasonable to you, really, I want to know?

    I have not said “he is not my president”.

    Because he is not and never can be your president, what does that have to do with anything?

    , you are focusing all of your “sore loserville” rhetoric on the couple of leftwing commenters here

    No, all my sore loser posts had links to actual sore loserness, didn’t have anything to do with commenters here.

     

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  30. CM

    Yes, read nothing into the billionaires that have been appointed assist in dismantling the system that made them billionaires. They are in no way ‘the swamp’. It’s completely unfair to even mention it. You CAN expect a leopard to change it’s spots (when it suits, apparently).

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  31. stogy

    See, this is what I mean, take a pause for chrissakes, go on vacation, or just take a chill pill. Wait until they actually do something in their official capacities,

    I think that’s an unrealistic request. And I wouldn’t expect you not to comment on appointments had Hillary won.

    Why does this sound so unreasonable to you, really, I want to know?

    Again, I think it is unreasonable not to comment or oppose policy directions, or point out where Trump is backtracking on his promises. Or that he was publicly laughing about using particular sales pitches to get people to vote for him. This isn’t casual speculation – these are things he is saying and doing, appointments he is making where the picks have said things previously that indicate clear belief in policy positions. He deserves criticism.

    Because he is not and never can be your president, what does that have to do with anything?

    Well, he’s everybody’s President now – regardless of country or nationality. That’s the lovely legacy of being the sole superpower. And I never said where I was or wasn’t from btw. Your assumption that I am not a US citizen is simply that. I said I have family there, I said I had a lot in common with Lee, you know I live in Japan and I have for decades (when I am not working elsewhere). But I don’t think where I am from is important, and it’s not something I use to bolster my positions. Most times here it ends up being used as a negative: “Oh, you think that way because you are from…” Arguments should stand or fall based on merit.

    No, all my sore loser posts had links to actual sore loserness, didn’t have anything to do with commenters here

    Ah… I must have misunderstood when you said

    You have zero credibility here, nobody is going to listen to you or pay you any mind at all, simple ramblings of  lunatics, and you brought it upon yourselves.

    I thought you were referring to “here”,  this site. When you obviously meant…er… something. Anyway, silly me. Plenty of sore winnerness still going on though, with Alex still at it on Hillary, undermining your clearly principled position with every thump of fist and drip of mouth foam onto his keyboard. Best ignore that, eh? Keep the focus on the left.

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  32. stogy

    OK, Rich, here’s some sore winnerdom for you. Kurt Eichenwald, a journalist/writer who has written pieces critical of Donald Trump and is also an epileptic, had flashing tweets posted to him that were deliberately designed to cause him to have seizures. We know this because a) the sender wrote “you deserve a seizure for your posts” and b) it’s not the first time it has happened, and c) after the most recent one, he had an actual seizure.

    If the supporters of the winner of the election are acting this way – deliberately destructive and trying to silence opposition voices – then why are you spending time complaining about the “snowflake ‘not my president'” losers?

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  33. stogy

    I should add that some of the things that Eichenwald has said are also not acceptable, but still… attempting to physically hurt him because of that?

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  34. CM

    I think that’s an unrealistic request. And I wouldn’t expect you not to comment on appointments had Hillary won.

    Exactly. And for those saying actively positive things – how does the same theory not apply (you need to wait until they do something)?

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  35. richtaylor365

    I think that’s an unrealistic request. And I wouldn’t expect you not to comment on appointments had Hillary won.

    I guess we are different, see, to me I prefer to critique someone’s actions, not someone’s potential actions once he gets in power, big difference.

    or point out where Trump is backtracking on his promises

    Backtracking on promises? Unheard of, such arrogance…………….get a life. Please give me one politician that did not do this, sheesh. And besides, since he has no power now, not the president, how can he backtrack on anything? Nice box you put yourself in, I guess you will have to wait until the day after he leaves office to make that claim.

     “Oh, you think that way because you are from…” 

    You never heard that from me.

    Ah… I must have misunderstood

    Yep, and not the first time either. All my sore loser POSTS provided links to substantiate the claim.

    OK, Rich, here’s some sore winnerdom for you

    FYI, I could not open that link, it was password protected.

     

     

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  36. richtaylor365

    OK, I found something on that here. Let me get this straight, you are somehow equating one lone dickhead (if it even happened given how many Trump hate claims have been proven false of late) sending this guy a “dangerous tweet”, equating that to the thousands and thousands of bad actors on the left, the bilious actors, the crybaby millennials, all the hate emails and tweets to electors to change their vote, the MSM, the dem leaders blaming their bad fortune on everything but themselves, and all those fake Trump hate reports (charge everyone on of them with a crime) all the caterwauling and bellyaching from the left, somehow this is equal?

    No crazy misplaced sense of proportion there, nope.

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  37. AlexInCT

    It’s only a double standard if they think Hillary is as despicable, or even more so.

    No, they don’t have to think so. All it takes is knowing what she has been involved with and who she is, to KNOW she makes Obama look decent, and Trump look down right saintly. Hillary is a criminal and had she been a republican she would long ago been put behind bars.

    Her greed and criminal behavior killed an American ambassador and many more people. You want a war for oil to be mad about? I mean a real one, not the shit the left preached before/about Iraq, where China is now getting all the oil: look at Libya. Hillary got us in there to pay of a foundation donor. She needed those hidden servers to keep doing these sorts of deals.

    More disgusting was the fact that everyone on the left was perfectly fine with letting her break a security law and enemies of the US steal information that jeopardized lives. They even went so far as to accuse those of us pointing out she had violated national security laws and had compromised lives of being craven partisan hacks lying about her. Then someone leaks DNC information that shows the Clintons are so evil they rigged the primary and debates and actually sold favors using that foundation of theirs to launder money. But did you scumbags all pissed about Trump even bat an eye? No, you got mad that someone released the emails, invented a red scare and suddenly started screaming about national security, and then demanded the election be annulled.

    Hillary could confess tomorrow that she drinks baby blood and sacrifices orphans to Bhaal, and the two assholes here ranting about Trump would still tell us Trump was a worse choice. That’s why I refuse to play their game and will do nothing but point out how disingenuous and full of shit they are.

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  38. CM

    Yet again Alex you need to decide whether you are talking about people here at this place, or some hybrid person you’ve invented by pulling together whatever you can find.

    And yet again, Trump winning the election doesn’t change who he is. Who Hillary is (worst human/organism on the planet etc etc etc because Benghazi and emails) like doesn’t change who Trump is. The election is over now, you can stop comparing them to justify your support for Trump. How you respond to Trump now is all about what Trump does and says.

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  39. Iconoclast

    It’s only a double standard if they think Hillary is as despicable….

    It’s a double standard because she is, whether they (or you) are willing to admit it or not.  The media covers for her, while doing its best to paint Trump in the worst light possible.

    I have no interest in having ‘credibility’ with anyone who thinks Hillary is on even remotely the same level as Trump.

    Good, because you have none.

    No narrative is needed to know who and what Trump is, it’s all there in front of us, most of it directly from his words and actions.

    No narrative is needed to know who and what Hillary is, it’s all there in front of us, most of it directly from her words and actions.

    Whereas the ‘Hillary is even more despicable’ narrative is hilariously weak and requires nutjobbery.

    On the contrary, you simply don’t want to acknowledge that which is clearly right in front of you.  Like I said, the media covers for her and paints Trump in the worst possible light.

    That is a neat trick, I must admit, claiming that Trump is objectively vile while pretending Hillary is only subjectively vile.  But that’s all it is, a trick. You may succeed in fooling yourself, but that’s as far as it goes.

    The point is – Trump won because of a relatively small number of voters (mere tens of thousands) in a few states….

    Nice spin, but this ignores the other 62+ million voters who voted for him.  If it weren’t for those 62+ million voters, those “mere tens of thousands” would mean diddly squat.  Which they ultimately do anyway.

    The larger point being – Trump winning, and not being Hillary, doesn’t change who Trump is or make him less awful.

    Where did I ever claim it did?  Straw man much?

    Like I said before he won the election, my only criterion was SCOTUS appointments.  If and when he screws me there, you will then have a valid reason to rub my nose in it.  Until then, bugger off.

     

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  40. Iconoclast

    And yet again, Trump winning the election doesn’t change who he is.

    You keep banging on about this, and I have no idea why.  Who’s claiming that Trump is a saint, or a prince?  I don’t think anyone is making any such claims, either explicitly or implicitly.  We’re just saying, wait until he actually DOES something before criticizing it. But you guys already have everything he’s gonna say and do for the next four years mapped out in excruciating detail…..

    I wouldn’t expect you not to comment on appointments had Hillary won.

    You might have a point.  After all, we did criticize Obama’s appointments because they were freaking TAX CHEATS…..

    But even then, I don’t recall any of us whining prior to Obama’s inauguration.  So maybe you don’t have a point after all.

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  41. Iconoclast

    It’s only a double standard if they think Hillary is as despicable….

    Exactly.  There is one standard for Hillary, and another for Trump. That’s precisely what a double standard is, chief.

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  42. Iconoclast

    Trump won because of a relatively small number of voters…..

    Funny how an electoral landslide is magically due to a “relatively small number of voters”…..

    You can spin it any way you want, I suppose, but that’s all it is.

    And it ain’t as if Obama has been truthful these last 8 years.  “Let me be CLEAR!  If you like your health plan, you can KEEP your health plan!   PERIOD!    If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor!  PERIOD!”

    “If I had a son, he would look like Trevon Martin.”  Sure.  Basically, he’s saying they all look alike, which is patently racist.  At least, it would be recognized as such of a white guy said it.

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  43. AlexInCT

    And yet again, Trump winning the election doesn’t change who he is. Who Hillary is (worst human/organism on the planet etc etc etc because Benghazi and emails) like doesn’t change who Trump is. 

    When did I argue otherwise, CM? Is this you trying to erect your usual strawman, or you just being your usual obtuse self? I think I was very clear that my Trump vote was for one reason, and one reason only: no Clinton in the WH.

    That choice was made because while I didn’t hold a high opinion of Trump (not a single reason for that being the reasons the left tried to disqualify him for the office, BTW), I knew Clinton was a despicable and evil being. So what if Trump is neither PC nor willing to left the left define his speech? I see these as a bonus. Political correctness and our corrupt media are both things that can’t die fast enough for me.

    And he will not release his taxes? I certainly don’t care. The IRS is a blight on this country, and leftists – especially those in government – constantly get caught not paying their taxes, but nothing happens to them. In fact, they join democrat administrations in positions of great power so they can punish those of us peons that don’t fork over enough lucre for them to buy votes with. I would much rather candidates be made to release their health information anyway, and we all know whom would have been disqualified by that.

    I also guarantee you Trump takes national security and the law far more seriously than Hillary did or ever would. This despicable and evil thing had no problem with foreign powers stealing our information as long as she could hide the pay-for-play shit her foundation was selling. But as soon as they lost the election because someone did the voters a huge favor and released internal documents showing how corrupt and vile the democrat machine is, we need to cancel the results of the election of all reasons for a red scare that these same people couldn’t be bothered by before.

    I also applaud Trump for pointing out that while we are pretending it isn’t so, Islam is at war with us, and we either buck up and deal with that, or our children are going to end up bowing to Mecca 5 times a day or being treated as lesser humans by their new masters. Same logic applies to immigration. If you can’t be bothered to follow the law on immigration, then you very likely shouldn’t be here. Fix legal immigration if that is what is the problem. But more important, if you come here, integrate. The facts is that multiculturalism doesn’t work. In fact, it is a KGB creation, invented to undermine the people in the west, by dividing them into easy to manipulate and control special interest groups (one of the main reasons it is so popular with the left). It is a blight on humanity. The proof is brutally obvious (look at the news, whenever the left doesn’t suppress these stories), even if it is a crime to collect that data today (the left never allows anything that proves its ideology is degenerate and destructive for a reason). These things are all valid topics that shouldn’t be off-limits because some douchebags with a narrative prefer reality not intrude into their fantasy.

    You get my drift, right? With the exception of all that made up bullshit (the claims of racism, gay hating and Trump being corrupt – all obvious projections or outright lies considering nobody can give a run on criminality and corruption like the Clintons) which I simply ignored, the things that the left pretended disqualified Trump, all are bonuses to me. My big objection to Trump as a candidate was that I suspected he was a big government guy and that he might just be another leftist pretending to be otherwise. Albeit one that was neither as corrupt or evil as Hillary or Obama for that matter, which all things considered still made him a better choice.

    I will tell you this: my opinion of Trump, so far, has actually changed for the better, as this fear has so far been assuaged. Between making good choices for his cabinets and basically saying he will undo the damage the left has done in the last 8 years, even if he does but a fraction of that, all make the guy awesome in my book. Methinks that he has been clear he intends to roll that shit all back is precisely what has unhinged the left. BTW, that the left goes insane and shows their true colors when Trump baits their stupid asses, is a sweet bonus that actually is making the guy quite likable to me. Who knows, maybe I will have a Chris Matthews moment and even get a fucking tingle going up my leg!

    Here is a promise: you will hear me complain about Trump when he starts acting like Obama or Hillary did/would and fucking trampling on my freedoms, starts pushing more idiotic PC multiculturalism crap, makes horrible Keynesian choices that implode the economy, all while robbing me of my earned income. Until then, I am actually thinking of cheering for the guy just to watch douchebag’s heads explode.

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  44. ilovecress

    OT – but Alex, I noticed that the idea that Multiculturalism is a KGB plot has been a recent theme of yours – hadn’t heard that one before, just wondering where it came from?

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  45. AlexInCT

    OT – but Alex, I noticed that the idea that Multiculturalism is a KGB plot has been a recent theme of yours – hadn’t heard that one before, just wondering where it came from?

    Cress, not my idea at all. In fact this stuff was old hat, put out back in the early late 70s and 80s, when the left suddenly got all these “ideas”. You remember how the left suddenly concocted all these brilliant new theories about how the western way of doing things was all wrong? Colonialism became imperialism and absolutely evil. Judging cultures where women were cattle or corruption and abuse were rampant as less than the western way, made you the dick and evil. It takes a village to bring up kids and parents shouldn’t do it. That sort of shit. From the anti-war movement to the various liberation theologies and beliefs, all that shit came from the KGB. Heck the resurgence of Islamist use of terror is also a KGB present. Remember Arafat and the PLO? Where do you think these people got their training and ideas from? It’s not accidental that a lot of the crap the left peddles are part and parcel doctrine in communism.

    After the fall of the USSR we collected and verified that a lot of the crap that the left peddled and a lot of the people they defended actually was KGB material and Soviet spies/handlers. That you don’t know about this stuff is because the DNC operatives with bylines, realizing their narrative would take a really nasty hit from these revelations, took great care to bury these things that would unravel their agenda. Especially since it proved Hollywood and the media both where overrun with reds. The KGB had infiltrated the left and used them (that’s where the term “useful idiots” comes from), many unwittingly, but just as many knowing full well they where helping the USSR and undermining their own country.

    There is a lot of reading material out there despite the orchestrated campaign to bury these facts. David Horowitz is someone that comes to mind. You can look at excerpts from his 48 liberal lies for example. I can’t remember the name of that old KGB defector general that provided so much detail that he freaked out the people that wanted to bury the connection between the left and the KGB/USSR, but he was one heck of a source too.

    I understand why most leftist would like to believe that their movement has its roots in something good and noble, but the truth is that it doesn’t. In fact, I bet the old Soviets wished they had been able to hold on another decade or so as the left started destroying the the west from within. The shame is that this stuff is out there, but most people don’t even know it is. Those that do tend to be in two camps. Those like me that know, and those that want to make sure as few people as possible figure out that the progressive movement’s beliefs and ideology is basically the child of a communist intelligence agency.

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  46. Iconoclast

    It’s ‘different’.

    Well, one difference I can see is that Trump’s pay-to-play donors are Americans, whereas the Clinton “Foundation” got donations from foreign governments whose societies are openly hostile toward gays and women, and whose governments are  arguably against US interests.  Same with Bill Clinton speeches to foreign governments, which Hillary’s State Dept. rubber-stamped, and for which the Clintons were well-paid.

    That said, yeah, pay-to-play is a bad thing, generally speaking. However, if Trump’s pay-to-play leads to policies I agree with, the pay-to-play will be forgiven.  If not, it won’t.  Simple.

    In your case (and stogy’s), it’s a given that it won’t lead to policies you agree with.  Regardless of what those policies actually are.

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  47. CM

    Trump already has links with Russia and his win was likely assisted by the Kremlin. Hatdly pro-women or pro-gay (and we know what Trump himself thinks of women). As he refuses to reveal his tax returns, after vowing to do so, none of us have idea how beholden he already is to foreign interests.

    Irrespective, Trump campaigned against pay to play, so it’s yet another sign that his campaign was an obvious fraud (as well as being blindingly obvious at the time).

    That last part sounds clever but makes no sense. I opposed the TPPA and so did/does Trump. So immediately you’re proven wrong.

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  48. Iconoclast

    Trump already has links with Russia and his win was likely assisted by the Kremlin. 

    Yeah, this worn-out canard is meaningless.  The reason Hillary lost is because she sucked at campaigning and she was a colossally shitty candidate.  But yeah, go ahead and blame it on the Russians.  Or Comey.  Or sexism.  Whatever.

    Hatdly pro-women or pro-gay (and we know what Trump himself thinks of women).

    Irrelevant.  Hillary pretends to be both pro-woman and pro-gay, while receiving millions from governments that are decidedly anti-both.

    Irrespective, Trump campaigned against pay to play…..

    Well, he campaigned against Hillary’s pay-to-play, sure.  But then Hillary’s P2P was about getting money from foreign governments who may oppose US interests.

    Also, it isn’t exactly unheard-of to give cabinet positions to people you owe favors to at some level.  It’s only a “problem” when a Republican does it.

     I opposed the TPPA and so did/does Trump. So immediately you’re proven wrong.

    Apparently, you don’t even know what you’re arguing against.  I cannot be proven wrong until Trump and his Administration start implementing policies.  Just because you may happen to agree with Trump on something, it doesn’t prove me wrong until and unless you agree with one of his implemented policies based on said agreement.

    Which seems highly unlikely at this juncture.

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