Yes And No

News came out this morning that Trump will not prosecute Hillary, for anything;

(CNN)During the presidential campaign, President-elect Donald Trump pledged to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton, would join crowds of his supporters in chants of “lock her up!” and said to her face during a debate that if he were president, “you’d be in jail.”

But now that he actually will be president, Trump says he won’t recommend prosecution of Clinton, who he told New York Times reporters has “suffered greatly.”
What’s more, he said the idea of prosecuting Clinton is “just not something I feel very strongly about.”

Kelly Ann Conway talked more about this morning on Morning Joe;

Before we talk about Hillary, some constants were re enforced about the MSM; first, they are lairs, and second, they have no honor. An off the record meeting means you don’t write about what happened or what was said, and yet they did. As mentioned in my piece yesterday, Trump has the full measure of the MSM, has no allusions about how he will be treated.

Some supporters are not happy with his decision not to go after Hillary since this was one of his campaign promises (get used to it, there will be quite a few broken promises).

The other day I was toying with a post about exactly this. my positions was thus; leave her be with regard to her emails and her server, but keep the 4 or 5 separate investigations going with regard to the foundation.

After the election Jason Chaffetz, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, reported that it was still full speed ahead Re: Hillary’s emails;

“It would be totally remiss of us to dismiss [the email investigation] because she’s not going to be president,” Chaffetz said of the defeated Democratic nominee.

“I still have a duty and obligation to get to the truth about one of the largest breaches of security at the State Department,” he said. “Tens of thousands of documents still have not been turned over to Congress.”

Now, that is off the table, as it should be. No doubt other Republicans think differently on this, that a breach is a breach, nobody is above the law, the duty to go where the evidence leads is not abrogated by the result of the election. And there is zero doubt in my mind that if the roles were reversed, no quarter would be given, compunction would override protocol and the investigation would continue.

I believe that a president must be magnanimous, compassionate, and have the good of the country as paramount to his judgement. Since he does represent all of the people, an incoming president can never do wrong by being judicious, and starting off showing superlative character and forgiveness can pay dividends down the road.

But the foundation is an entirely different animal. This was a family affair, leveraged even beyond the influences of the Sec. of State. Dubious accommodations were made out side her governmental role, between the foundation and her role as probable next president.

All this seems academic since it appears Trump put the kabosh on all Clinton investigations.

Fine, one last distraction.

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  1. stogy

    The reason why Trump won’t go after the Clinton Foundation is that his own foundation troubles are equally bad if not worse – particularly now that it has come out that his foundation has admitted to self-dealing in an IRS filing. He certainly won’t want to be drawing attention to this.

    And the fact that another “lying” journalist has actually been (at least partially) proven correct.

     

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  2. CM

    “Move on, you won, such a sore winner” etc etc etc.

    the MSM; first, they are lairs,

    there will be quite a few broken promises).

    So some lies are ok. Just as well it’s totally fine when a Republican President breaks election promises then.

    The reason why Trump won’t go after the Clinton Foundation is that his own foundation troubles are equally bad if not worse

    Down the memory hole again.

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  3. CM

    And now he might not back out of the Paris Agreement. And he has great respect for the NY Times (even though they’re a failing, terrible paper).

    Whatever the guy thinks changes multiple times a day. But does that even matter to his supporters? I suspect that his healthcare plan could be to keep Obamacare exactly as it is but change the name to TrumpCare and they’d all love it.

    It’s becoming painfully obvious that Trump pretty much said whatever he had to, whenever he had to, to whomever, with a pathological disregard for truth or consistency. Now folks are calling him out – but the people who voted for him possibly just don’t care. It may be that they expected to be lied to, they just wanted a new liar. And if their champion burns the place down concurrently, all the better.

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  4. AlexInCT

    I figure he’s content now to let his allies in the Senate continue their own investigations while he looks above the fray; I certainly don’t think he’s going to pardon her the way Obama would have.

    This,

    And he now holds a sword of Damocles over the Clintons. They try to fuck him over or put Chelsea up for political career – so they can return to selling favors – and he can bring this issue back up. I doubt congress will let her walk. Everyone of these idiots will be trying hard to prove they are not part of the establishment, and nothing says you are not like throwing a top establishment oligarch to the wolves. Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be justice served to see Hillary in an orange jumpsuit making license plates, but the fact that she is not in the WH is gold. My bet is that the Clintons are going to demand Obama pardon her now even harder than they would have otherwise.

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  5. Iconoclast

    Trump chose Nikki Haley as the U.N. Ambassador, so let’s all hear about what an absolute disaster that’s gonna be.  We’re waiting……

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  6. stogy

    Trump chose Nikki Haley as the U.N. Ambassador, so let’s all hear about what an absolute disaster that’s gonna be.  We’re waiting……

    Um… don’t know that much about Haley…. hmmm…. Well, she doesn’t have a lot of foreign policy experience, but I had a quick look through her background, and I don’t have any personal objections apart from that.

    Seems like you are overreacting to me. But I would hate to disappoint, Icon, so I’ll support you if you think it’s going to be an absolute disaster.

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  7. richtaylor365 *

    Her corruption was just a campaign slogan.

    Her corruption was an absolute fact, and of her own making.

    Interestingly, Kelly Ann thinks that the Congress is going to take their lead from Trump, doubtful. The investigations will continue, but Trump has insulated himself from all that, very smart. And with Sessions as AG (please, please), I can see it now ,”My goal all along was to let the nation heal and to be a president for all people but I must honor the mandate set by the Constitution and the precedents of my predecessors. If Congress decides that an indictment is warranted I cannot stand in the way, and will direct my AG to do his job, to look at the evidence and impanel a Grand Jury if said evidence is compelling. I am not a king {mocking Obama} and must honor the separation of powers clause”.

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  8. stogy

    The investigations will continue, but Trump has insulated himself from all that, very smart. 

    As I said above, Trump is hardly going to want to keep her issues in the news as a reminder of his his own foundation issues  – particularly as people’s memory of Hillary fades. Trump has quite a lot to worry about – like illegal payments of legal settlements, political donations to a Florida AG who decided not to prosecute, payments to political lobby groups and spending on personal items.

    On the face of it, these difficulties appear also to be very much of his own making. However, Trump is entitled to his day in court to determine whether he is guilty or not. Just as Hillary is.

    As long as due process is followed, and it doesn’t become a party-political witch hunt,  then how can anyone object to prosecuting either of them?

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  9. Iconoclast

    Seems like you are overreacting to me.

    Oh, I’m sure it does, but, believe it or not, it ain’t about you specifically.  Get over yourself.

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  10. CM

    ,”My goal all along was to let the nation heal and to be a president for all people

    Appointing Sessions was a a great ‘healing’ move. ;-) A guy who was too racist to be confirmed to the lower courts by a Republican Congress is now Trump’s pick to be AG? And that was too racist by standards 30 years ago…

    I am not a king {mocking Obama}

    Adviser says Trump meeting a chance for Romney to ‘kiss his ring’

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/306911-report-adviser-says-trump-meeting-was-chance-for-romney-to-kiss-his

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  11. Iconoclast

     I’ll support you if you think it’s going to be an absolute disaster.

    Elevating “missing the point” to an art form…..

    Where did I ever indicate that I thought it would be a disaster?  Is English your native tongue???

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  12. Iconoclast

    A guy who was too racist to be confirmed to the lower courts by a Republican Congress…..

    Yeah, just keep on barfing up those liberal narratives, and keep on screaming “RACIST!!!”……..

    Democrats honed the dog whistle of racism on Sessions

    Even worse for Mr. Sessions was that his fate did not rest in his own hands. Or in the hands of a jury of his peers who are good people. His honor and reputation lay in the hands of people like Ted Kennedy. And Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senators such as Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.
    Hearing the dog whistle of racism and always on the hunt for opportunities to display his “independent streak,” Mr. Specter delivered the fatal blow. Even though Republicans controlled the Senate and the committee, they killed President Reagan’s nomination.
      The precedent was set.

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  13. CM

    Poor Jeff. Being suspected of being a racist by a collection of his previous words and actions. It’s just as unfair as the media reporting on Trump’s words and actions. Oh the humanity!

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  14. CM

    Where did I ever indicate that I thought it would be a disaster?  Is English your native tongue???

    Gee do you reckon he meant that literally? He was clearly mocking you Iconoclast.

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  15. Hal_10000

    Her corruption was an absolute fact, and of her own making.

    Oh, I agree her corruption was real.  I just mean that to Trump it was a campaign slogan.

    I like the Haley nomination a lot.  She’s been a great governor to South Carolina and this could set her on a path to national office.  Don’t know much about DeVos, but she seems like a good person to head Education.  So far, Trump’s cabinet is a mixed bag.  I like some (Haley, possibly Mattis or Romney) and don’t like others (Flynn, Sessions).  We’ll see how the rest goes.

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  16. stogy

    Gee do you reckon he meant that literally? He was clearly mocking you Iconoclast.

    Icon has an awesome user name, but really struggles to live up to it most of the time.

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  17. AlexInCT

    Called it.  Clinton’s his friend.  Her corruption was just a campaign slogan.

    You missed the point dude. Trump said he wouldn’t push for anything on Clinton. Not that the investigation was over. This way he avoids the DNC operatives with bylines already caught lying about what he said accusing him of a political vendetta, or worse of saying she was falsely convicted because of his involvement, when she gets nailed as she should be.

    It is downright brilliant on his part, because you libtards are all thinking Clinton is now safe or that Trump betrayed his promise – a story the left has already been hard at work manufacturing as my link shows – to the voters. Let’s see how it plays out so I can tell you idiots “I told you so” again, albeit on a different blog.

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  18. stogy

    Dude, none of us “libtards” have said Hillary shouldn’t be prosecuted if there is a reasonable suspicion that she has done something wrong. however, saying that her election would have “brought on the apocalypse” does not amount to reasonable suspicion.

    And just by the way, I would be careful about getting news from Marc Morano if I were you. He has a pretty shocking record when it comes to truth-telling.

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  19. CM

    That’s why Alex likes him. If he was accurate and factual he’d be no use.

    Of course Hillary should be prosecuted if it’s justified (just as Trump should be for one or more of his outstanding ‘issues’). Why would any of us care whether she’s ‘safe’ or not?

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  20. stogy

    For the record, the Republicans have a much better record of witch hunt trials against political opponents than the Dems. The Dems should so have gone after the Bush administration on war crimes and torture. But they just let it all slide, despite a fairly strong case. Now that it is likely that Obama is himself a war criminal, nothing is likely to ever happen.

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  21. Iconoclast

    Gee do you reckon he meant that literally? He was clearly mocking you Iconoclast.

    Gee, thanks for the tip, Captain Obvious.  You know, for having such a massively superior intellect, you can be remarkably obtuse at  times.

    Icon has an awesome user name, but really struggles to live up to it most of the time.

    Coming from you, that means a lot.  No, really.

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  22. Iconoclast

    Poor Jeff. Being suspected of being a racist by a collection of his previous words and actions.

    Yeah, just keep doubling down on those narratives.  Don’t bother with substantiation — that’s obviously for losers.

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  23. AlexInCT

    That’s why Alex likes him. If he was accurate and factual he’d be no use.

    You got it wrong again douchebag: I like him because he sent that criminal Clinton packing. That and the salty tears, pants shitting, and stupid crap we have been seeing here by people that have spent 8 years defending an unqualified racist community organizer like you have graced us with about how a guy that has not even taken office yet, has already failed at a job he has not had.

    Fucking priceless to see the reaction from you stupid snowflakes. Sweet nectar. Keep it coming. It is all gravy to me.

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  24. AlexInCT

    Yeah, just keep doubling down on those narratives. 

    Without the narrative they would have to admit they are neither as smart or smug as they have convinced themselves they are, and that would really cause the “pant shitting” and “head sploding” to go serial…

    Enjoy the rank smell of sore loser stupidity, Iconoclast. Watching idiots that spent the last 8 years defending the indefensible and then betting on one of the most inept, corrupt, and evil entities on this planet, only to watch that all blow up on them, is worth it. Sure you could say we should be above that, but my answer is not a chance.

    These people have spent the last 8 years looking down on and talking down to their obvious betters, excusing the inexcusable and accusing those that pointed that out of having nefarious motives, blaming us for the mountain of failure their ideology produces and will keep producing, and now they have decided to double down on the nasty.

    They deserve the scorn, and they deserve to have it heaped on them. They have brought it upon themselves and they deserve to have their faces rubbed in it. As the last 8 years clearly showed, they certainly would do it to us were the roles reversed.

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