Another Leftest CEO Steps On His Dick

Matt Maloney now regrets ,”The ole’ ‘I was drunk excuse’, now why didn’t I think of that?”.

First we have a dopey CEO warning his workers to follow his lead politically or get out, now one goes totally off the rails and tweets that he is going to shoot Trump;

Former PacketSled CEO Matt Harrigan is blaming being drunk for posting a death threat against President-elect Donald Trump on Election Day last week.
Harriman has apologized for the post, and has temporarily moved his family. He has also faced an interview with the United States Secret Service.
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“Nope, getting a sniper rifle and perching myself where it counts. Find a bedroom in the whitehouse that suits you mother*******. I’ll find you,” another post read. And yet another, “In no uncertain terms, f*** you America. Seriously. F*** off.”

Don’t drink and drive, don’t text while driving, now a new one, don’t tweet while drunk. Of course, being drunk is not a real good excuse, and hard to prove after the fact.

I guess we can just file this under the latest barrage of examples of ,”Why are leftest such bad/sore losers?”

Harrigan submitted his resignation to PacketSled on Tuesday and the company accepted it.

A high price to pay for one lapse in judgement, one moment of stupidity.

But a crime none the less. Should this dope go to jail? no. Just like that Playboy model who snapped the ill conceived photo in the locker room, a less harsh punishment is warranted. But I do want him charged, I want an official report made, a fine payed, and a public record established so that when he decides to get pissed again grabs for his phone, this time that little voice in his head will whisper ,”hey, douchewagon, put it down, haven’t you learned anything?”.

Riots, public demonstrations, vandalism, Trump voters getting physically attacked, organized calls to boycott Trump products, to demonstrate in front of Trump Hotels, and even this nonsense, some much needed perspective is in order. Maybe a few more lost elections will facilitate that.

And as for Harrigan, Dean Wormer has a few words for you;

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  1. louctiel

    You want to equate a death threat with a description of how someone appears in high heels?   You really want to go there?  How much have you been drinking.

    BTW – I called my mom and asked her about the tweet and more specifically, about someone who was described as “an ape in heels.”  She is a loyal democrat and says the term “ape in heels” was always used to describe the grace of the woman, and had nothing to do with racism.

    That means you’re oh fer two on this one CM

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  2. richtaylor365 *

    Here is a guy that did the same thing, sans the ,”I’m not a douche, I was just drunk” defense. Sounds like the the Secret Service takes this stuff pretty serious.

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  3. richtaylor365 *

    Is there no end to these bed wetters? Here is an Obama employee going off the deep end, posting a scene from Schindler’s List where a Jew is executed, then referenced it to what America has to look forward to under Trump. Beyond despicable.

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  4. blameme

    CM, I thought you hated the “they do it too” response. Can’t you just reply that what this guy did was pathetic and worthy of ridicule? I mean, since you have no ideology that forces you to defend liberals who exhibit this behavior why bring an example of an idiot conservative?

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  5. stogy

    Speaking of stepping on your dick… Jeff Sessions, eh? It just keeps getting better and better! Nothing to worry about. At all.

    No, really…

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  6. stogy

    Yes, worthy of ridicule.

    But I like how you keep posting these isolated stories of lefty loons (and how we all laugh, eh?) as though they are in some way equivalent to what is happening right across the US to minorities right now. I am finding the anti-Semitic stuff particularly sickening, particularly as it was not in any way advocated by Trump, but here it is out of the bag as well.

    In the latest example, the park in Brooklyn dedicated to late member of the Beastie Boys, Adam Yauch, has been vandalized with swastikas and pro-Trump graffiti. Now I know that some of you are going to say this is a false flag stunt by the left, but it comes right at the time when Jewish friends of mine in the US are receiving a lot of hate mails and threats of violence, and being told to move to Israel. This just adds to the climate of fear and loathing of minorities.

    And he was fucking Beastie Boy too! Disgraceful.

    Please someone tell me not to worry and give Trump a chance again. Or get a lobotomy. There seems to be little difference in the mental health outcome now.

     

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  7. stogy

    Last comment for the moment: There are strong rumors of Mitt Romney as a possible Secretary of State. This would be the first post-election appointment that I could unreservedly support.

    And I would love to be a fly on the wall when they meet.

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  8. CM

    An ape in heels describes “the grace of the woman”? On which planet?

    Blameme, Rich’s post, as usual, paints one side as being ridiculous by picking out examples and pretending that side is monolithic. His example exemplifies stupidity, not a political affiliation. As do racist comments (my response). And anyway, we’ve had 8 years of mental meltdowns and frothing at the mouth over Obama, so why pretend this is anything new?

    And yes, the Secret Service should take threats seriously and people should face the consequences.

    Sessions – certainly a strange pattern developing for someone who promised to drain the swamp, eschewed the establishment, and unite the country.

    Stogy, pretty obvious deflection going on with Rich’s whole campaign. For some reason a whole year of throwing out red meat to haters of minorities can simply be ignored, presumably because Trump won the election. As the man himself would say: sad.
    http://www.salon.com/2016/11/17/the-hate-divide-hate-crimes-are-up-up-up-and-trump-supporters-want-to-deny-deny-deny

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  9. CM

    Romney is definitely a better pick than Giuliani or Bolton, given that he was so adamant that he was against the Iraq cluster fuck. Of course then he said America should have stolen all the oil, so who knows what the fuck is going on. I doubt Trump knows himself. Big decision though – the selection will signal the kind of posture he intends to present to the world. Clinton and Kerry will be hard acts to follow (unless you’re on the American right of course in which case they are/were complete disasters etc etc etc, but obviously that’s a very small minority of the world).

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  10. stogy

    Romney is definitely a better pick than Giuliani or Bolton

    Agreed, but I think I was a little overenthusiastic in my earlier assessment of Romney when I offered unreserved support.

    I do think  that with the previous WH picks, it was like we were standing on the edge of a cliff, but now with Romney we might be finally be about to take a big step forward.

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  11. richtaylor365 *

    You guys never learn. An Historic election, from president, both houses of congress, governors, state legislators, all the way down to dog catchers, you guys got taken to the woodshed, anything that was in play, you lost. And yet, same old same old, continue the practice of divisiveness and exclusion, the politics of identity, the politics of destruction, double down on the insanity, amazing, but, good for us. You keep sticking with that approach.

    We have Pense trying to take some time off to go see a play and those dopey actors at Hamilton giving him a lecture on stage about representing all the people, the irony. Dems never did have a sense of propriety.

    We have Maxine Waters complaining about the Trump rally in the stock market as if that is a bad thing, funny, but she never complained about any Obama rallies in the stock market, perfidy much.

     but I think I was a little overenthusiastic in my earlier assessment of Romney when I offered unreserved support

    Of course, don’t won’t to be too enthusiastic about anything Trump does, they would drum you right out of the party, you’ve already paid your dues for 2017, don’t want to waste that.

    Tell me, honest appraisal, what did you think of Obama picking Hillary for Sec. of State? Ignore the results, those speak for themselves, but what about the initial pick? What was in in her background that screamed to anyone, “She is well qualified and this is a good pick?”.

     

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  12. richtaylor365 *

    And the TDS circle jerk continues……

    Why is this blog called “Right Thinking” again?????

    The carping started the morning after the election, you could set your watch by it.  So much for objectivity, healing, any kind rapprochement, right out the window. OK, they want to play by prison rules, fair enough.

    The problem with you guys placing yourself in that box, is that now, nothing you say, any complaints no matter how legitimate, will be marginalized, nice work. As a non Trump supporter (before the election) I was ready to appraise any actions on his part with an objective eye, strained through the filter of conservative values, I still will. But any complaints on your part will pretty much be ignored because complainers complain, that’s the only arrow you have in your quiver.

    Icon, I guess all the left blogs out there are so boring, so noxious, so dis inviting to anyone with an open mind, that they scurry over to our site.

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  13. richtaylor365 *

    Even Pat Caddell, a long time Democrat strategist, is disgusted with the  race baiting, but you guys keep playing that card, Bannon’s a racist, Sessions’ is a racist, a one note flute, how boring.

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  14. stogy

     but I think I was a little overenthusiastic in my earlier assessment of Romney when I offered unreserved support
    Of course, don’t won’t to be too enthusiastic about anything Trump does, they would drum you right out of the party,

    Rich, read my comment about Romney again a little slower and you might see what I was getting at. I think Romney is a better pick than some of the others.

    Tell me, honest appraisal, what did you think of Obama picking Hillary for Sec. of State? 

    I wasn’t mad about it at the time, although I thought her connections with other heads of state and their families would be an advantage. I thought she did a very average job as Secretary of State overall.

    The carping started the morning after the election, you could set your watch by it.  So much for objectivity, healing, any kind rapprochement, right out the window. OK, they want to play by prison rules, fair enough.

    I don’t get why I am not allowed to be critical – many here certainly were after Obama’s elections in 2008 and 2012. A lot of Trump’s picks have been bad or worse, and don’t move the country towards the healing and rapprochement you say you want. I supported the move by Paul Ryan yesterday and I said above I think the Romney choice would be a wise one.

    Bannon’s a racist, Sessions’ is a racist, a one note flute, how boring.

    I have no idea whether Bannon is a racist or anti-Semitic. I do know that Breitbart has pandered to racist and anti-Semitic audiences. That alone should disqualify him for the job. Sessions has a history of being rejected for public offices by Republicans on the grounds of racist comments. How is it wrong to point that out.

    I also would like to see rapprochement, however the picks so far seem to be designed to do the exact opposite. I don’t think it’s wrong to point that out, particularly when there were more conciliatory candidates on offer.

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  15. richtaylor365 *

    Rich, read my comment about Romney again a little slower and you might see what I was getting at

    And read my response a little slower and you might see that what I was referring to was the “unreserved support” angle. Finally, not poo-pooing a name, then catching yourself almost mid sentence and feeling the need to even qualify that, funny, actually. But I get what you were saying ,”As much support as I can give the enemy without my side braying for my head on a stick, that amount of support I give to Romney”.

    I wasn’t mad about it at the time, although I thought her connections with other heads of state and their families would be an advantage.

    And what connections, per se, were those? You are aware what actual committees she served on in the Senate. Are you referring to small talk she made with other foreign leaders’ wives as she was first lady? I’m still not getting any foreign affairs bona fides that you think she had that would qualify her for this position, aside from a quid pro quo from Obama is exchange for her support as he ran for president.

    I don’t get why I am not allowed to be critical

    You are allowed, as am I, as am anyone who has an opinion. But clearly you can see that when every single pick, except Romney, who is the very definition of a long shot (maybe that is why you are on board, knowing he will be rejected and you can continue with the carping), every pick is shot down summarily before the poor guy even gets an interview, well, we can see that the prejudices held will impede any objectivity.

    I have no idea whether Bannon is a racist or anti-Semitic.

    And no amount of effort on the part of Jews that know him very well that say all this is nonsense,  will convince you, now there is real objectivity for you.Forget sources straight from the horses mouth, forget the opinions of Jews that work with him on a daily basis, better to mime the leftest clap trap.

     A lot of Trump’s picks have been bad or worse

    That is your opinion only, which you are entitled to. But draining the swamp is going to entail ruffling a few feathers, I’m fine with that.

     

     

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  16. Hal_10000

    We have Pense trying to take some time off to go see a play and those dopey actors at Hamilton giving him a lecture on stage about representing all the people, the irony. Dems never did have a sense of propriety.

    See, I’m not too upset about that. Hamilton is an explicitly political play. This wasn’t a performance of “Cats”. And the message was reasonably respectful (unlike say, when Trump would goad his audience to boo the press at his rallies). So it wasn’t that far out of line. And I find it ironic that conservatives are getting all bent out of shape about their feels and, in Trump’s case, literally demanding a safe space.

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  17. AlexInCT

    And the TDS circle jerk continues……

    This looks to me like the same shit people said when Reagan won in a landslide then actually stuck to his guns about making America great and fighting the Soviet machine the left was and remains so enamored with, Iconoclast.

    The left may pretend today that they were not bat shit crazy with hatred against him, but they are not fooling me. I lived through it and remember how they accused him of wanting to bring Armageddon about because he wouldn’t just accept that the Soviet Union was there to stay and communism would sooner than later be the lot of humanity. More importantly, he was insane to want to have something else. (kind of like the cries of how we are now heading for WW3 because of nationalism instead of the globalism the left wants).

    I doubt Trump can hold a candle to Reagan, but the very predictions the leftists pants shitting contingency continues to make about Trump, are exactly the things Hillary would have done. The stupid evil criminal bitch was really the dangerous one.

    Mark my words: just like we found out after GWB prevented Gore from stealing the elections that Gore was a fucking nut job douchebag and we all breathed a collective sigh of relief he never made it to the WH when he went off his rockers, I predict that sooner than later we will find out Hillary is also an unhinged maniac when she ends up showing her true colors now that the media will have no reason to keep covering for her all the time.

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  18. Hal_10000

    Why is this blog called “Right Thinking” again?????

    Definitely not because we wanted to defend anti-conservative nuts like Trump.

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  19. richtaylor365 *

    So, just to make sure I understand, everything is political, when Trump or Pense want some time off and want to unwind, to go to the theater, a movie, a restaurant, or the store, it is perfectly acceptable for some employee to harangue him publicly, to lecture him in front  of the crowd in addressing that employees preconceived bias, essentially holding him hostage, until he gets his rant of his chest? Then, if anyone addresses this bad behavior, that person is ,”Demanding a safe space?” totally bizarre, yep, thanks for highlighting my point, the dems would not know propriety if they sat on it.

    I imagine some of those cast members voted for Trump, how sad for them that they had to be a party of that nonsense, afraid to speak out for fear of being called a racist. Progressives are such bullies.

     

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  20. stogy

    ”As much support as I can give the enemy without my side braying for my head on a stick, that amount of support I give to Romney”.

    Actually, I was remembering that Romney probably lost the election because he had his own ‘basket of deplorables’ moment, and that his outspoken opposition to Trump might kneecap him before he starts.

    But clearly you can see that when every single pick, except Romney, who is the very definition of a long shot (maybe that is why you are on board, knowing he will be rejected and you can continue with the carping),

    As I keep saying, this was no ordinary election, and the attacks on minorities that came from the Trump campaign mean that a much greater level of scrutiny of his WH picks is required. So far, these picks have set no one’s mind at ease – including many Republicans. So far I have liked Romney. When he picks someone else I like, I will support that too. But I am not going to support bad picks simply because you want to have a feel-good moment.

    And no amount of effort on the part of Jews that know him very well that say all this is nonsense,  will convince you, now there is real objectivity for you.Forget sources straight from the horses mouth, forget the opinions of Jews that work with him on a daily basis, better to mime the leftest clap trap.

    I am basing this on the experiences of friends right now in the US, not rantings of leftwing media.  Breitbart fanned the flames of anti-Semitism by allowing and even encouraging hate-speech on its website. It doesn’t matter whether Bannon is anti-Semitic or not. Any form of nationalism (and Bannon does describe himself as a nationalist) that involves separating out other members of that same society is inherently dangerous. The result is that we now have the KKK and Nazi Party feeling all white-empowered. Appointing a Breitbart CEO as chief policy advisor sends a message that this is somehow all OK.

    That is your opinion only, which you are entitled to. But draining the swamp is going to entail ruffling a few feathers, I’m fine with that.

    It’s less ruffled feathers and more late night lynchings that I worry about. I’m not fine with that.

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  21. stogy

    to lecture him in front  of the crowd in addressing that employees preconceived bias, essentially holding him hostage, until he gets his rant of his chest?

    They asked him to stay. The secret service were there, fortunately, to deter any hostage-taking. The cast members were respectful. It was in-keeping with the themes of the performance.

    Then, if anyone addresses this bad behavior, that person is ,”Demanding a safe space?” totally bizarre

    Er. Trump actually tweeted that it should have been a safe space.  Instead of an end to political correctness we get the all new political correctness.It’s just like the old one, except that it only applies to our tender-hearted, lily-livered and easily offended folk from the right.

    Donald Trump: Safe Space Advocate

    It just bears out the old adage: When you’re cornered, the best thing to do is a complete 180 degree turn.

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  22. richtaylor365 *

    Actually the bad behavior at the theater is just the latest example of going beyond the pail, but condoned by the left. Things like shouting down conservative speakers on campus, rioting in the streets when you candidate loses, using the MSM as a propaganda tool for your message, setting up private non government servers in your bathroom to hide all your illegal clandestine activities with your slush fund charity and brokering your position as Sec. of State, using executive orders and executive memoranda to circumvent the Constitution, bad mouthing your country on foreign soil, all these things we as conservatives think are either in bad taste, bad form, or improper.

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  23. richtaylor365 *

    It’s less ruffled feathers and more late night lynchings that I worry about. I’m not fine with that.

    See, this is where I really wish we still had the “edit” button available for comments. No doubt you are a good person, and no doubt the second after you hit “post comment” you regretted posting this. I won’t comment on how despicable to was to go there, only to lament our lack of a edit button.

    One of the nice things about being an author is that I do have an edit button and the few times that I have used invective out of emotion, I immediately regretted it and fixed it.

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  24. stogy

    Actually the bad behavior at the theater is just the latest example of going beyond the pail. 

    What was beyond the pail?

    No doubt you are a good person, and no doubt the second after you hit “post comment” you regretted posting this. 

    I laid out a case: the KKK are back and feeling empowered. Swastikas were drawn all over a Beastie Boy’s memorial park in Brooklyn. Jewish friends are receiving hate mail and being ‘encouraged’ to move to Israel. Muslim women are having their hijab torn from their heads.

    You are not worried about lynchings? Or bombs going off outside Mosques? I am. There are plenty of times I wished for an edit button, but no, this is not one of them.

    You are all over the place on this, Rich. So far, your only response to this has been to put up a few accounts of a violent protest (when most were peaceful – and in one case, protestors got together to pay for the damage that a small number of people had done. Plus a couple lefty idiots. There is no moral equivalence between sending a stupid e-mail to your staff and sending an e-mail threatening violence unless someone leaves the country. Instead, you laugh about buying a t-shirt that mocks the losers as stupid, but at the same time you call for a feel-good moment.

    Right now, calling out people who are targeting minorities should be the absolute priority. That’s what the Hamilton cast were calling for. And so should you. You are either going to defend the conservative (and liberal) value of supporting basic decency and rights for all or you are not.

    There is no room for any moral equivocation on it.

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  25. richtaylor365 *

    You are not worried about lynchings?

    Ah……………………….no

    Maybe if you lived over here, knew anyone at all that actually voted for Trump or kept off of those bomb throwing leftest sites, you would realize that the sky is not falling. White folks put Obama in the WH, twice, but now that Trump won, we are all racists. I never realized how ugly you view Americans.

    And the hysteria, jeez. Jewish writers at Breitbart voted for Trump, I know Jews personally that voted for Trump, but because Trump won you think it is the second coming of Kristallnacht. I guess if I was as hysterical as you, I would view those club wielding Black Panthers outside the Philly poll booth in 2012 and decry the fall of our electoral process, I would view those BLM inspired assaults on white people as a precursor to the next race war, I would view those physical attacks on Trump voters by the sore losers on the other side as a demolition of our democracy. You need to get a grip.

    And those swastikas, I guess you missed my fake hate crime post a few months back, where swastikas, nooses, racial slurs, all done by agitators from the left.

    But when you bring up lynchings, just like bringing up Hitler, the conversation is over. I gave you the chance to retract but you are digging in your heels, very sad.

    but at the same time you call for a feel-good moment

    Sorry, but I have never made any call for a feel good moment, does that even remotely sound like something I would say? No, I call out bad behavior when I see it. but I suspect this bad behavior will be top priority in the new play book from the left.

     

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  26. stogy

    I want to add one thing: As I said earlier, I have spent the last couple of years living in several different countries with strong-men leaders. There were a lot of similarities between them: ethnic and religious nationalism was used to bolster support among the majority; minorities were excluded – often violently – losing their homes and family members. I have personally seen peaceful demonstrators thrashed by secret police for no reason (and been threatened by them myself). I have watched on as dissenters (even from majority groups) were jailed or disappeared, and journalists shot in the street, with investigations into their murders white-washed. Academics lost their jobs or were forced abroad, or in some cases were not allowed to leave to work abroad.

    The strong men kept their families and allies close around them, giving them plum appointments and only allowing access to favorable media and hangers-on, with political and economic corruption festering. Democratic institutions were compromised – but particularly the police and court systems. People lived in a climate of fear. In cafes or taxis you had to be careful of waiters and drivers reporting your conversations to the secret police. I was always impressed by the courage that people showed.

    Now, the US is not at this point yet, but the steps in this direction are currently very very alarming. So when you imply that I overreacted by referring to lynchings, I don’t think that is the case. While I joked about a cliff, yes, there is in fact a cliff. Democratic institutions in the US could easily be overwhelmed by a populist demagogue in the name of “cleaning out the swamp.” And if it isn’t Trump, then it could just as well be the strong-man president that follows him: another Chavez or a Maduro. The first real indicator will be when the administration starts turning on itself.

    Most (if not all) posters and commenters here are really good people (I even remember people getting a bit teary on MLK day some years ago). Despite the day to day political banter and er… course disagreement, I think we share underlying good motives and all of us want to make society a better place to live – we just have very different views on how to get there. But I like to think that any of you would stand up for another person who is under attack. This is one reason why I come here.

    This goes back to what Hal wrote the other day, about keeping my powder dry but I also argue that it’s far easier to take a stand against this sooner than it is to leave it until it’s too late. I hope you would do that.

    I have seen first hand what happens when people don’t.

     

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  27. stogy

    And those swastikas, I guess you missed my fake hate crime post a few months back, where swastikas, nooses, racial slurs, all done by agitators from the left.

    It’s certainly possible that some instances were fabricated by activists. But then, it’s just a month since a right-wing group in Kansas “The Crusaders” were arrested by the FBI for planning to bomb an apartment building housing Somali refugees. The FBI has also noted a large upswing in racial abuse and attacks on minorities, and has said that right-wing groups are a greater threat to domestic security than Muslims.

    Conservative sites that did take-downs of the story that right wing extremists had killed more Americans than Jihadis still put the difference at 50 – 48, with jihadis only just winning (and left wing groups nowhere in sight).

    Another right-wing group, The Vigilant Patriots, have been advocating for years for a coup against Barack Obama on their Facebook page (Bannon was a non-active member), and calling him a Muslim traitor to the US. They also dressed him up in an SS uniform and praised a police officer who called Obama a fucking nigger (they said that the policeman would be lynched for saying it – funny, huh?).

    All this is made up? Really?

    But when you bring up lynchings, just like bringing up Hitler, the conversation is over. 

    Still can’t bring yourself to condemn a single incident of misbehavior from the right, can you? It just all gets explained away. You know, in the countries where I lived, this was a tried and true tactic: an accuser steps forward, but is forced to recant their story, and eventually arrested for having made everything up. It’s only a couple of years later that it emerges the original story was true. One person I know of was falsely arrested for beating themselves up, another for savagely mutilating themselves after they abducted themselves and then dumped themselves on a remote highway.

    Sorry, but I have never made any call for a feel good moment, does that even remotely sound like something I would say

    You decried the lack of healing and rapprochement. I misunderstood that as a call for a feel-good moment. My apologies.

    Maybe if you lived over here, knew anyone at all that actually voted for Trump or kept off of those bomb throwing leftest sites, 

    And I’ll be back in the US for a bit next year. So I’ll see how things are for myself then. I do know Trump voters personally – they are decent people – but bought into the language of fear he used.

    And as I said, most bomb throwing these days is coming from the right (see the FBI). But yes, there are bomb throwers on the left too.

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  28. richtaylor365 *

    Kelly Ann Conway was on foxnews this evening, she described what happened both before and after the cameras were turned off. Not only was Pense booed several times by members of the audience, but when leaving there were protesters with signs outside that literally blocked their path, secret service agents had to clear a path for them with much jostling going on. Poor Mrs. Pense, probably seeing for the first time how ugly the other side can be. And all they wanted was a nice quiet night at the theater, such shameful behavior, now the new norm for the left. Yeah, I guess not new, we have seen it before.

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  29. stogy

    Not only was Pense booed several times by members of the audience, but when leaving there were protesters with signs outside that literally blocked their path, secret service agents had to clear a path for them with much jostling going on. Poor Mrs. Pense, probably seeing for the first time how ugly the other side can be. 

    They are entitled to protest. And boo. I thought we were having an end to political correctness. Trump vowed that there would be just these kinds of protests had he lost. Are you forgetting that? Would you be as condemnatory of those as you are of this?

    Jostling or any kind of physical attacks, I don’t approve of. Of course. But again, you are arguing for false equivalence: that jostling of Mike Pence and his wife is somehow equivalent to a plot to blow up a building in Kansas. Or actions that deprive people of their civil liberties. Or ripping people’s headscarves off. Or threatening violence against Jews. I note that these are things that you have not even acknowledged yet alone condemned. Instead you just keeping jumping up and down and saying “Look, lookey here! Look how bad the other side are.”

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  30. Hal_10000

    So, just to make sure I understand, everything is political, when Trump or Pense want some time off and want to unwind, to go to the theater, a movie, a restaurant, or the store, it is perfectly acceptable for some employee to harangue him publicly, to lecture him in front  of the crowd in addressing that employees preconceived bias, essentially holding him hostage, until he gets his rant of his chest? Then, if anyone addresses this bad behavior, that person is ,”Demanding a safe space?” totally bizarre, yep, thanks for highlighting my point, the dems would not know propriety if they sat on it.

    Not everything.  But Hamilton is specifically a political play. Pence wasn’t shouted down or threatened. They read a respectful political statement afterward. I wouldn’t have done it but the reaction is way overboard, don’t you think?

    Still, I’m sure Trump is loving it. Distraction from the $25 million he shelled out to settle the Trump U lawsuits.

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  31. Hal_10000

    Here’s the transcript of the Hamilton speech. Really doesn’t cross me as haranguing:

    Thank you so much for joining us tonight. You know, we had a guest in the audience this evening. And Vice President-elect Pence, I see you’re walking out but I hope you will hear us just a few more moments. There’s nothing to boo here ladies and gentlemen. There’s nothing to boo here, we’re all here sharing a story of love.

    We have a message for you, sir. We hope that you will hear us out. And I encourage everybody to pull out your phones and tweet and post because this message needs to be spread far and wide, OK?

    Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank you for joining us here at Hamilton: An American Musical, we really do. We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us — our planet, our children, our parents — or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us. All of us.

    Again, we truly thank you for sharing this show. This wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men [and] women of different colors, creeds, and orientations.

     

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  32. richtaylor365 *

    But Hamilton is specifically a political play. 

    This is interesting, so to you, a play with all black members somehow is a “political” play? The play is based on the Ron Chernow book, which I read, it is not a “political” book, it is a biography. I thought I might be missing something so I wiki-ed it. Nope, nothing in there that is at all political, it documents the  man’s life. Is it because a white man is played by a black man, is it because they have hip hop songs, what on earth makes you think this is a “political” play? Or do you think minorities should be a protected class and allowed indiscretions that are not given to white folks, which would be the very definition of racism.

    This wonderful American story told by a diverse group of men [and] women of different colors, creeds, and orientations.

    No doubt the irony is lost on you, that a play involving non white members (by design since white actors were told, do not apply) somehow translates into ” diverse group”, and they lecture the VP about the need for inclusion, what a hoot.

    They read a respectful political statement afterward

    Yes it was respectful, my beef was the propriety of doing it at that venue under those circumstances in the first place. You yourself said you would not have done it. Was the reaction overblown, yes, it was, considering Trump went on twitter demanding an apology. I would have left it alone, but again, I do not speak for how others reacted, I just thought it was improper.

    But something else needs addressing. Stogy painted America in a really ugly light, describing it (now, as a result of the Trump win) as a combination of the Jim Crow era in the South, and Nazi Germany in 1938, then actually “went there”, worrying about lynchings becoming de riguer. Now I get that all you lefty guys stick together, all read from the same playbook, never deviate, and always speak with one voice, but Hal, you are an American, didn’t that rub you the wrong way as well? I would expect his masturbatory friend to never remove himself from Stogy’s backside, but I always respected you. And since silence is the same thing as assent, do you as well fear that lynchings are just right around the corner? An an author (and I would like Alex to voice an opinion as well) You need to go on record to address his despicable caricature of the state of our union as it now exists.

     

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  33. AlexInCT

    Why are you insisting on trying to have a debate with these angry sore losing lefitsts using of all things logical discourse and focus on facts, Rich? Are you really expecting that this will talk them off the ledge they are on and claiming they will jump off of unless they get their way?

    Let them do us all a favor and fucking jump, please.

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  34. richtaylor365 *

    No, I expect a certain level of obstinacy, and TBH, I suspect that the whiplash they sustained with the out of the blue defeat of their girl, the recovery time will be long and arduous. We will never come to a complete meeting of the minds. But when certain lines are crossed, like Stogy’s depiction of America and that actual real live lynchings ( a scab I never thought would be ripped off,  ever again) would be the new order of the day, something that despicable needed to be addressed and vilified.

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  35. Hal_10000

    One note: I just read that Pence told his daughter “that’s what freedom sounds like” when he got booed.  If true, that’s a big point in his ledger.

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  36. stogy

    Alex, I don’t see at all how this is a left-right issue. It should be a bipartisan issue.If Trump was an ordinary Republican candidate, then I might be unhappy, but I would have little cause for concern. The US isn’t in the kind of hole I described yet. But it could be if people don’t stand together to protect basic rights – particularly those of minorities.

     Stogy painted America in a really ugly light, describing it (now, as a result of the Trump win) as a combination of the Jim Crow era in the South, and Nazi Germany in 1938, then actually “went there”, worrying about lynchings becoming de riguer. 

    As I said, Trump’s picks and the language coming out of the far right make me feel really worried about the direction the US is headed.The “ugliness” you said I described hasn’t happened in the US yet – it may not happen, and I truly hope it doesn’t. But based on Trump’s statements during the campaign, he has a very weak grasp of the constitution and its limits – including the separation of powers.

    If the protests against Trump continue, then this is most likely where it will begin, with a police and judicial crackdown on protesters, which will be strongly supported by the majority fed up with the chaos, followed by a gradual strengthening of laws against civil disobedience. Then there will be a creeping erosion of institutions designed to protect ordinary people. You only have to look at how the laws have been abused in dealing with the Dakota protests to see how this will happen.

    But what I would hope to see, Rich, is people like you and I standing shoulder to shoulder to resist attacks on civil liberties. As I said, this is not a left-right issue. And I would really really like to be wrong on this.

    If it turns out I overreacted, then I will welcome your derisive laughter.

     

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  37. richtaylor365 *

     But it could be if people don’t stand together to protect basic rights – particularly those of minorities.

    Your worry is based on a false premise, 2 or 3  of them actually and it goes back to what I said earlier, I think if you lived here, talked to people, knew actual Trump supporters (instead of reading about them in your typical far left fake news sources) you would have a better handle on what we are doing here. There is no Obama type adulation or hero worship involved like we saw in 2008, the alternative was unthinkable so Trump grudgingly got the nod, but he will be watched. Millions like myself voted for him despite all his craziness, not because of it. And the reasons have already been written about right here.

     he has a very weak grasp of the constitution and its limits – including the separation of powers.

    Yeah, Obama was really bad at this………..oh…………..wait

    with a police and judicial crackdown on protesters,

    And when exactly has that happened in like the the last 70 years? Being old enough I remember the Vietnam war, Kent State, 8 presidents, 4 or 5 different wars, Watts, Ferguson, The LA riots after the King verdict, protests are a major part of our heritage.

     followed by a gradual strengthening of laws against civil disobedience. 

    More fear mongering and hysteria, although I wonder how long the mourning process should last and when the perpetually  aggrieved will accept the fact that the process must be respected.

     You only have to look at how the laws have been abused in dealing with the Dakota protests to see how this will happen.

    Cliven Bundy  and followers are  wondering where you were 2 years ago.

    If it turns out I overreacted, then I will welcome your derisive laughter.

    Nah, I save that for the real muttonheads, you don’t qualify.

     

     

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  38. AlexInCT

    The US isn’t in the kind of hole I described yet.

    It sure as hell has been heading there in the last 8 years, and if Clinton had won, I am certain it would have come to pass. Which brings me to my point of why the left is so pissed at Trump: after weaponizing the government for the last 8 years, thinking Clinton would walk in and piss all over the constitution and our freedoms to implement the left’s totalitarian “feel good, think right” agenda, and then, someone that was not willing to keep playing nice when it was obvious the left always cheats, ends up winning, it scared them.

    The left always wants to be the ones with their boot on the other’s necks, and now they are worried Trump might pay them back in the same coin. Hence the fucking hysteria…

    Have no doubt – the world was saved from the apocalypse when Clinton lost. I expect Clinton to do something to prove it, just like the behavior from the left after Trump’s crushing win, proves they never practice what they preach.

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  39. stogy

    Have no doubt – the world was saved from the apocalypse when Clinton lost.

    Wow! The apocalypse? That goes a fair way beyond my own concerns (not predictions, mind). Rich, aren’t you going to condemn this as

    More fear mongering and hysteria,

    ??

    Or does this only apply to posters from the left?

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  40. CM

    I can’t recall Rich condemning Alex for anything as long as I’ve been here. Alex gets a free pass from pretty much everyone, he can write whatever he likes, doesn’t matter how crazy.

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  41. Iconoclast

    Definitely not because we wanted to defend anti-conservative nuts like Trump.

    By dismissing Trump as an “anti-conservative nut”, you’re simply proving my point.  Getting 3 thumbs up from fellow leftists only reinforces my point.

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  42. richtaylor365 *

    Rich, aren’t you going to condemn this as

    Hyperbole is a tried and true practice here, on both sides, and TBH, the “apocalyptic ” image you have for America, race wars, lynchings, no minority safe from persecution or murder, that was all classic hyperbole.

    Alex and I have had our disagreements in the past, like just last week, but some of the more noisy (without really saying anything at all) here have short term memories, by design. No, the never deviate from the playbook crowd always seems to be you guys, I wonder why that is [rhetorical]

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  43. richtaylor365 *

    Getting 3 thumbs up from fellow leftists only reinforces my point.

    That is part of their union bylaws, whenever a member coughs, farts, or posts comments, a thumbs up is required. They learn that, the secret handshake, and the obligatory finger swipe to the nose when passing by on the streets.

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  44. Iconoclast

    Wow! The apocalypse?

    Yeah, that thing your side of the aisle kept harping would happen if The Donald managed to get elected.  Hal still thinks Trumps gonna get us into WWIII.

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  45. Iconoclast

    The US isn’t in the kind of hole I described yet.

    Not for a lack of trying — it was definitely headed in that direction under Obama, and would have continued under Hilary.  That’s why she was so soundly defeated, because the American People, the ones who actually work, live, and produce, had had enough.

    But it could be if people don’t stand together to protect basic rights – particularly those of minorities.

    That’s exactly what just happened with this election — people stood together to protect basic human rights.

    Like the right to politely refuse to participate in a gay wedding, without having a torch-and-pitchfork mob descend on you, and without having your business shut down by  jack-booted government.

    Not that you give a shit about things like that.  As far as you’re concerned, those damned bigoted homophobes had it coming.

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  46. AlexInCT

    I predict it again: sooner than later we will see Clinton’s true colors, and then, like they did when ManBearpig showed he was off his fucking rockers and a dangerous nutjob, people, the sane ones at least, will sigh collectively and wonder if there isn’t a higher power that prevented that beast from taking over.

    Let me remind you idiots: Hillary was the one talking about enforcing a no-fly zone over Allepo. That means shooting down Russian military planes for those of you that are reality challenged. How do you think that plays out, huh? And yet, Trump is the one that will start WW3…

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  47. richtaylor365 *

    Hey Stogy, maybe you should worry about America after all, when sore loser Hillary supporters send death threats to electors;

    “You have people saying ‘you’re a hateful bigot, I hope you die,’ ” he said. “I’ve had people talk about shoving a gun in my mouth and blowing my brains out. And I’ve received dozens and dozens of those emails. Even the non-threatening-my-life emails are very aggressive.”

    But it’s Trumps hate rhetoric that’s the problem.

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