Put Away the Long Knives

First, a word about common decency and civility. I have written about this before but it bears repeating. Although not an Obama supporter I understood what his victory meant in 2008, I understood that whole hopey changey thing, that folks wanted a new direction, a new skipper at the helm, and I was willing to give this young dynamic articulate guy an honest chance at making a difference. Do I expect the same thing, the same reciprocity from all these whinny gloom and doomers that can’t even wait for him to get into the job first before their attacks, abso-fucking-lutely. Even if comity is not in your nature (how sad for you), can you at least admit that you have no idea how Trump will do?

Probably the biggest impediment to getting a handle on Trump, to gauge a philosophy or glean a political direction is that for his entire adult life he has been all over the map with issues, that, and his boast that he likes being unpredictable. He was a Democrat for most of his life, he has “evolved” on gun rights, abortion, same sex marriage, he is a protectionist and an isolationist, he won’t touch entitlements or social security, he has been a champion of single payer, he displays not even a rudimentary understanding of economics and has not voiced much concern for the debt owed by the nation, he has put way too much emphasis on his own council and instincts in place of policy experts to his own detriment, and his grandiose opinion of his own abilities to persuade other foreign leaders on his own, well that is just laughable.

And those are just his political peccadilloes, I could write an entire post cataloging all his personal character flaws, most notably a penchant to be impulsive and reactionary, meglomaniacal, thin skinned, requiring the adulation of those around him, lacking circumspection, and bombastic to a fault. Yes, Obama has most of these in spades as well, but this is a post about the new guy.

One encouraging sign is that of late he has revealed circumspection,has been more temperate, more subdued, even inclusive sounding in speaking to (and the promise of representing) all Americans. Yes, he still wants to drain the swamp, but even that is open to interpretation, does he want to take the existing apparatus and streamline it, make it more efficient and workable, or does he want to burn everything to the ground and start over. But as of today, nobody knows how he will mold the office, how he will address the folks, how he will interact with Congress, and how he will deal with our allies and adversaries.

Before talking about some of his picks so far, a word of caution to our left leaning readers here. When you say things like ,”His picks so far are all incompetents and nuts”, or link an article that starts off first sentence, “Trump will be a disaster for anyone that cares about human rights”, the conversation is over, period, yippie for you.

Everyone knows the toughest job in the WH is the Chief of Staff. He is the office manger, the ability to either succeed or fail for the president is determined to a large extent by how competent the Chief of Staff is. I think Priebus is a great pick, He has manged the GOP longer than anyone at a time when it’s very longevity or existence was being questioned and Trump’s win came about to a great extent because of Reince and his ability to get out the vote.

Keeping Newt close and involved is also a major coup. Like him or hate him, is there anyone alive today that is more familiar with the levers of government?

Rudy as Sec. of State, John Bolton as Director of National Intelligence, Sheriff Clark as head of Homeland Security, I even read somewhere that Pam Bondi is being considered as AG (Gowdy would be a better pick but he wants to stay in Congress, fine by me).

As stated before, I am not of fan of Bannon. He strikes me as the flip side of John Pedesta, a real snake in the grass. Bannon’s instincts are good even though he practices the politics of destruction. He needs to be kept on a tight leash.

I watched the House GOP news conference this morning, Paul Ryan said all the right things, oh and he is staying on as speaker, more good news. Ryan has a well crafted conservative agenda to put forward, whether this will be Trump’s agenda as well, who knows? One thing we know for sure, Trump will not be giving the car keys to Congress with little oversight on his part, to him and many of his supporters, they are still the establishment, thus still part of the problem.

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  1. West Virginia Rebel

    My own view is that Trump will be a moderate independent; he is already backing away from some of the more controversial statements he made during the campaign and the guy you will see as President is the guy he is in real life, not on TV-tough but pragmatic, hopefully recognizing that being president isn’t the same as being a CEO and that you actually have to listen to people. I also hope that he makes some changes away from the family insiders he has around him; the old adage of never hire your relatives comes to mind here.

    IMO I see a combination of George W. Bush and Bill Clinton in his presidency. Whether that works remains to be seen, but it has to be better than what we could have gotten.

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  2. ilovecress

    On Bannon – (and I’d be keen to hear from icon here after what he said on the other thread.) What’s your guys take? Am I wrong in thinking that he is in fact a ‘leader’ of the Alt-Right movement? It seems to me (left wing bubble and all that) that he is demonstrably, at least stoking if not outright encouraging, white nationalism and anti-semitism?

    On Friday Breitbart news retweeted something a friend of mine had tweeted three years ago. He was immediately bombarded with abuse by self described white supremacists and alt-right warriors. They threatened his family (he’s just had a son) and stated they knew where he lived.

    As a lefty this is what worries me – not that the Republicans will control the agenda (although I’m not thrilled) but that the executive will be made up in large part by this extreme ideology.

    As conservatives – what’s your take? No big deal?

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  3. stogy

    OK. Well putting aside for the moment Bannon’s history at Breitbart, there are a couple of things that concern me. Firstly, there is the issue of giving Bannon and Preibus equal status within the team. I have little hope that this will work – particularly given the history of rapid and acrimonious departures from Trump’s campaign team. I think it is likely that one or other of them is unlikely to be around come inauguration day, if not soon after that.

    Another concern is the role of Trump’s offspring in the WH transition, particularly as Eric, Don and Ivanka are still heavily involved in the company as well. They are unelected and almost completely unqualified, and involving them in the administration screams nepotism. From all accounts the request that they be involved in the transition and that they be given security briefings is causing a lot of headaches in the new team.

    Regardless, there are massive conflicts of interest here, and the failure of Trump to set up a blind trust may very well cause his own downfall.

    There are some reports that, for example, Trump has shares in companies involved in construction and management of the Dakota oil pipeline, and thus he stands to benefit once construction is complete. Plus he also received significant campaign donations from its CEO. This may all be within the law, but it will quickly undermine his leadership if there is a perception that he is personally benefitting.

    Third, Trump’s poor relationship with the media: Based on his track record during the campaign, I am concerned that he may try to limit access of media that is in any way critical of his job performance. He already doesn’t do interviews with anyone who doesn’t agree with him. Obama’s and Bush’s record on this was also not good. He has threatened much looser libel laws and defunding of public media. It would be better if Trump chose a Press Secretary with enough nous to be able to push back against him. Otherwise I see almost no chance that there will be any kind of accountability.

    The people that he has chosen so far are those he sees as loyal to him, rather than having any particular policy expertise. This worries me in terms of his future picks.

    Do I expect the same thing, the same reciprocity from all these whinny gloom and doomers that can’t even wait for him to get into the job first before their attacks, abso-fucking-lutely.

    This cuts both way, you know. And stating a desire to buy a t-shirt that call Clinton-voting states as “idioticstan” or whatever it was are just as inane and pathetic. And to be fair, the link I put up last week mentioned Sarah Palin as a possible Interior Secretary – I certainly think it is fair to describe her as a “nut” and an “incompetent” given that she is incredibly uninformed about the world, has no desire to become more informed, and she can’t even form proper sentences. I was also unhappy about the suggestions for giving Ben Carson a key appointment (Education) after his frankly very strange comments on the pyramids and biblical inerrancy. Carson’s own business manager agreed that he hadn’t sufficient policy experience, but the chances of this appointment have receded now.

     

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  4. richtaylor365 *

     Firstly, there is the issue of giving Bannon and Preibus equal status within the team

    Who says they are given equal status? They are doing 2 different jobs, Preibus has the most important job, the one with the most power and influence.

     I have little hope that this will work

    Of course, I doubt anything he does would meet with your approval.

    Another concern is the role of Trump’s offspring in the WH transition, particularly as Eric, Don and Ivanka are still heavily involved in the company as well. 

    I brought that up last week, I don’t like it either, too easy to pull a Hillary and sell your position to the highest bidder.

    Trump has shares in companies involved in construction and management of the Dakota oil pipeline, and thus he stands to benefit once construction is complete

    Glad to see you guys are finally at the table. Hillary did this kind of crap for years, nary a peep from the left, but now that a Republican has the mere potential for the same type of behavior, now you are up in arms. Having pointed out the hypocrisy, I agree with you, he should divest himself (and his kids if they are going to hold any positions in his WH) of any Trump business dealings. Even the mere appearance of impropriety  should not be condoned, period.

     I am concerned that he may try to limit access of media that is in any way critical of his job performance

    You mean like what Obama actually did to Foxnews? So far we have seen a kinder gentler Trump, I doubt he will do this, even when the MSM starts ragging on him again (oh, wait, they already have). But we will watch for this, it should not happen.

    . He has threatened much looser libel laws and defunding of public media

    More campaign bluster, I doubt he will try any of that, but you can bet your Che Guevara T shirt that the MSM will let us know.

     It would be better if Trump chose a Press Secretary with enough nous to be able to push back against him. 

    I heard Laura Ingrahm is being considered, she seems like a straight shooter to me.

    The people that he has chosen so far are those he sees as loyal to him, rather than having any particular policy expertise

    Yeah, I guess it would be an impossibility to be both loyal and well qualified, right?

     And stating a desire to buy a t-shirt that call Clinton-voting states as “idioticstan” or whatever it was are just as inane and pathetic

    Oh, please, that was a joke, do you really think I would walk around in a T shirt that said “Dumbfuckistan” on it? It was funny, that’s all, sheesh.

    I certainly think it is fair to describe her as a “nut” and an “incompetent” given that she is incredibly uninformed about the world

    For the position that she was being considered for, Interior Secretary, not at all. She has actual bona fides in that area. Now if you were talking about other cabinet or top job positions, yes, I would agree with you.

     

     

     

     

     

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  5. richtaylor365 *

     And stating a desire to buy a t-shirt that call Clinton-voting states as “idioticstan” or whatever it was are just as inane and pathetic.

    And the other day I posted a picture of Trump shaking hands with Obama with the word “pussy” in the caption, you don’t really believe anyone thinks Obama is an actual vagina, do you? Come on Stogy, we try to have a little fun here to lighten the mood, don’t go all sanctimonious or canonical on us.

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  6. stogy

    Just responding to a couple of your points:

    Bannon and Priebus have been given equal status:

    Trump’s statement announcing the appointments said Bannon and Priebus would be “working as equal partners to transform the federal government,” with Bannon serving as chief strategist and senior counselor to the president.

    Some of the media have inferred that putting Bannon’s name first means he, rather than Priebus, has higher status. I have no idea on how true that is.

     I have little hope that this will work
    Of course, I doubt anything he does would meet with your approval.

    Some of the reports I read this morning have talked of chaos within the transition team, and a Stalinesque purge of some people who were expecting positions based on their loyalty. Eliot Cohen, who was in the Bush administration and just two days ago was calling on Republicans to unite behind Trump has changed his mind:

    After exchange w Trump transition team, changed my recommendation: stay away. They’re angry, arrogant, screaming “you LOST!” Will be ugly.

    At the moment, I see little that gives me home of a stable, well-planned and competent transfer of administration. 

    Glad to see you guys are finally at the table. Hillary did this kind of crap for years, nary a peep from the left,

    I was a big supporter of Bernie Sanders’ on campaign finance reform and conflicts of interest – and that this above all else was the reason to vote for him. The selection of Hillary as the Dems candidate was a disaster in this respect, and would have led to no changes whatsoever – she made her deals with the banks, and there was little incentive for her to change the laws that had benefitted her.

    In terms of my own record on this, I talked here for years during both the Bush and early Obama administrations (before I left) about the problem of corporate money corrupting policy and leading to decisions that are in the public interest. Both Republicans and Democrats do it: they reward party donors with positions on Federal boards and plum foreign posts. Lamar Smith is completely owned by the fossil fuel industry. The small changes that Obama introduced limiting donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees in 2008 were rolled back by the DNC. And the fact that most companies donate to both sides is a clear sign that they are buying influence, rather than supporting one party’s agenda…

    Yeah, I guess it would be an impossibility to be both loyal and well qualified, right?

    Well, he promised the best and the brightest.

    Oh, please, that was a joke, do you really think I would walk around in a T shirt that said “Dumbfuckistan” on it? It was funny, that’s all, sheesh.

    Yeah, but you seem to lose your sense of humor when it is aimed back at you: it’s just sore losers.

    For the position that she was being considered for, Interior Secretary, not at all. She has actual bona fides in that area.

    Yeah, naaah.

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  7. stogy

    Come on Stogy, we try to have a little fun here to lighten the mood, don’t go all sanctimonious or canonical on us.

    OK. Fair enough. Sorry if I over-reacted on this. But I just feel that mocking the losers is not a productive play at this point.

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  8. stogy

    I’m really not happy about replacing Rogers with Gaffney. In Politico:

    As a seven-term congressman from Michigan, Rogers was widely respected, even among many Democrats — a potential reason he was shown the exit from Trump’s transition. The conservative Weekly Standard magazine noted on Tuesday that Rogers had overseen a 2014 House Intelligence Committee report on the September 2012 Benghazi attacks that angered conservatives with its conclusion that the Obama administration had not misled the public about that event. Other sources familiar with the transition said that Rogers had been purged for his connection to New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who was ousted last week as the head of Trump’s transition team.

    Gaffney, by many accounts, is a firm believer that Obama is a secret Muslim and that Petraeus and the US military (including the Missile Defense Agency) have been compromised by pro-Islamism (apparently the logo is reminiscent of the Islamic Crescent and star. He has also said that Saddam Hussein was involved in the Oklahoma City bombing.

    The Trump team has also reportedly asked for son-in-law Jared Kushner to have top secret clearance for Presidential Daily Briefings. This is despite him having no formal position in the transfer team.

    So far, the idea that Trump might appoint moderates and people with good qualifications and solid thinking ability is not looking good, Rich.

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  9. richtaylor365 *

    Bannon and Priebus have been given equal status:

    Sorry, but I don’t equate equal partners with equal status. Priebus has the most important job in the WH, Bannon is a strategist. I think Trump is trying to throw Bannon a bone, make his job seem important when everyone knows that the CofS job is the Holy Grail.

    Eliot Cohen, who was in the Bush administration and just two days ago was calling on Republicans to unite behind Trump has changed his mind:

    You mean this Eliot Cohen, the Never-Trump Eliot Cohen?

     Last March, when a Donald Trump presidency was but a fever dream for the candidate’s detractors, Cohen and 121 other Republican national-security experts condemned the likely GOP nominee. They denounced Trump’s anti-Muslim rhetoric, his rough treatment of Mexico and other U.S. allies, his advocacy of torture and trade wars, and his praise for authoritarian leaders like Vladimir Putin. They characterized him as erratic, dishonest, and hostile to American civil liberties. “[A]s committed and loyal Republicans,” they wrote in an open letter, “[w]e commit ourselves to working energetically to prevent the election of someone so utterly unfitted to the office.”

    “Hillary is the lesser evil, by a large margin,” Cohen, who helped organize the letter, said at the time. Trump’s victory would be “an unmitigated disaster for American foreign policy.”

     

    See, this is what I mean by honesty, you let us know that he was a Bush guy but leave out all the other stuff that just might taint his opinion of Trump.

    At the moment, I see little that gives me home of a stable, well-planned and competent transfer of administration. 

    I provided the names of several steller recommendations in my post. it’s been exactly one week and nothing he does is OK with you.

    Well, he promised the best and the brightest.

    Who says the best and brightest can’t also be loyal?

     But I just feel that mocking the losers is not a productive play at this point.

    Doesn’t most jokes involve mocking to some degree? I mock my state all the time. You don’t think we should mock the rioters, the cry baby students with their ,”Not my president” signs? the trigger warning safe space SJW’s that can’t bear, I mean really can’t live with the fact that some folks just might have a different opinion than theirs? But a silly T shirt that says Dumfuckistan on it offends you.

    The Trump team has also reportedly asked for son-in-law Jared Kushner to have top secret clearance for Presidential Daily Briefings

    I also wrote about that last week, I don’t like it.

    So far, the idea that Trump might appoint moderates and people with good qualifications and solid thinking ability is not looking good, Rich.

    I think I have been pretty clear where I stand on Trump’s qualifications, and if he turns into another Obama with ,”I won, so deal with it” mantra, I will call him on it. Probably because you have not been around this last year, but my above post should clue you as to my feelings for Trump. I hope he is successful, but again, Supreme Court.

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  10. stogy

    But a silly T shirt that says Dumfuckistan on it offends you.

    I never said it offended me. It doesn’t. I said it was poor form, that’s all. There has been a lot of argument that the mocking elitist tone of Hillary supporters was a factor that led to Trump’s win. Then you go ahead and do exactly the same. This worries me.

    Here’s a little more from the article in the Atlantic that you linked to:

    a friend on Trump’s transition team had asked for names of potential appointees, only to lash out when Cohen emphasized the importance of choosing qualified people to run the country’s national-security agencies and departments. “It became clear to me that they view jobs as lollipops, things you give out to good boys and girls,” Cohen told The Washington Post

    See, now would be exactly the time that a victorious Trump could be setting everyone’s mind out ease – reaching out in a bipartisan fashion to all Republicans and even Democrats and letting everyone know that previous conflicts are now all in the past. Instead, we get a purge of Chris Christie supporters from the ranks, lollipops to the loyalists, and a big lurch to the right.

    I would hope you understand why that worries me still more.

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  11. ilovecress

    Sorry, but I don’t equate equal partners with equal status. Priebus has the most important job in the WH, Bannon is a strategist. I think Trump is trying to throw Bannon a bone, make his job seem important when everyone knows that the CofS job is the Holy Grail.

    Sorry – can’t let this go.

    Valerie Jarrett. You guys were claiming she was really running the country.

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  12. Iconoclast

    I’d be keen to hear from icon here after what he said on the other thread.

    As I recall, the only thing I ever said about Bannon is that I prefer the term “nationalist” to describe him, as opposed to “white nationalist” and/or “white supremacist”.

    Questions About Steve Bannon Being a Racist White Nationalist

    Questions about Steve Bannon’s personal views, and whether or not they’re racist, cannot easily be categorized as truth or fiction.

    So, we’re going to classify this one as “commentary,” and provide a little background information about Bannon.

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  13. Iconoclast

    I do find it ironic that, after 8 years of Obama and the left generally pissing on US-Israel relations, they suddenly get their collective panties in a wad over an alleged anti-semite in Trump’s Administration.

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  14. richtaylor365 *

    Then you go ahead and do exactly the same. This worries me

    If you really can’t see the difference between a silly T-shirt and the prevailing attitude, held by thousands (millions) of Hillary supporters that Trump backers were all white nationalists, bigots, Islamophobic, back woods uneducated defective inbred, misogynistic, and did I say white (they just hate that) jingoistic hillbillies, if separating the two is difficult for you then you are indeed hopeless. But I think you see this as clearly as anyone and are just being contrary.

    Here’s a little more from the article in the Atlantic that you linked to:

    Again, from the guy who was a Never-Trumper from the get go. You read all those nasty things he said about Trump, do you really expect any kind of objectivity from the guy who’s gal was soundly defeated?

    Valerie Jarrett. You guys were claiming she was really running the country.

    Look, to me, words (and titles) matter. Yes , it is possible that Trump will ultimately rely on Bannon’s council in the mold of a Jared, but Obama and Jared had a relationship long before he got to the WH, Trump just met Bannon like a week before the election. A president can surround himself with whoever he wants, and listen to whatever he wants, but the CofS job is the top position and the one with the most responsibility and power.

    I would hope you understand why that worries me still more.

    Here are some things I understand;

    1)You will not give your approbation, no matter what he does.

    2)No matter what actually transpires, the MSM will report  chaos, acrimony, disruption, a lack of vision, a lack of non partisanship, and an unruly mob tearing at each other for Trump’s ear, bet on it.

    3) That it is still early early and these decisions should not be made without demonstrative reflection or in haste. You forget that Trump was never a politician, never had the political apparatus that Hillary had, and he is going into to this as a neophyte. I would expect many fits and starts, many changed decisions and appointments. It would be reasonable to allow the man to grow into the job before he actually gets the job, hence the election 2 months before the swearing in, but reasonableness seems an impossibility with many, too bad.

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  15. AlexInCT

    Valerie Jarrett. You guys were claiming she was really running the country.

    I never claimed that Cress. I was certain she was. Obama is too big of an idiot IMO, and once he loses his handlers it will be obvious.

    Say what you want about Trump, but he is no pussified beta douchbag like Obama, and I doubt he is not going to be the one making the calls.

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  16. AlexInCT

    I do find it ironic that, after 8 years of Obama and the left generally pissing on US-Israel relations, they suddenly get their collective panties in a wad over an alleged anti-semite in Trump’s Administration.

    Expect to see a lot of this kind of double standard, and not just from the left in the US. I just posted about how US military is again looked at as war criminals…

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  17. CM

    “When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think . . . ” Bannon said, not finishing the sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-bannon-flattered-and-coaxed-trump-on-policies-key-to-the-alt-right/2016/11/15/53c66362-ab69-11e6-a31b-4b6397e625d0_story.html

    White nationalism. The guy found a perfect idiot to spread his hate. There is a reason why white supremacists are jubilant.

    I do find it ironic that, after 8 years of Obama and the left generally pissing on US-Israel relations

    That’s an opinion though. Another is that Israel’s long term interests are better served by not continuing to do things like build settlements in in Palestinian land.

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  18. CM

    The part about Israel’s long-term interest is just arrogant justification.

    That’s also your opinion.

    If it were just Bannon’s back-catalogue that was at issue, perhaps the concern could be contained. But the problem is that Trump’s campaign trafficked in the full range of antisemitic motifs and tropes. It’s not just that Trump himself retweeted neo-Nazis, or that his campaign put out an image of Hillary that had been lifted from an antisemitic site – depicting Hillary Clinton against a giant backdrop of cash and a six-pointed star uncannily like a Star of David. It’s that last month Trump warned that Clinton “meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of US sovereignty” – a line that could have been lifted straight from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the notorious Tsarist-era forgery that purported to be evidence of a global Jewish conspiracy.
    Trump pushed the same age-old canard in his closing TV ad. It featured a gallery of three villains, all of whom were Jews: philanthropist George Soros, the Federal Reserve chair, Janet Yellen, and the Goldman Sachs boss, Lloyd Blankfein. The narrator’s words used as each of those faces appeared came from the lexicon of classic antisemitism. Soros: “those who control the levers of power”. Yellen: “global special interests”. Blankfein: “global power structure”. Trump supporters have taken their cue and bombarded Jewish journalists with the vilest form of abuse.
    None of this has ended with the campaign. The conspiracy theorist and propagandist Alex Jones says Trump has phoned him since his election, promising to appear on his radio show “in the next few weeks”. Last month Jones ranted against “the Jewish mafia in the United States”.
    It’s worth stressing two things. This is not antisemitism of the subtle variety. Nor is this antisemitism of the kind that we have got used to debating in Britain in recent years: an obsessive hostility to Israel that draws on the language or imagery of anti-Jewish racism. This is old-school, hardcore, Jews-are-taking-over-the-world antisemitism. And it is being voiced not by European leftists or Muslims – who, until last week, many American Jews held to be the chief source of modern antisemitism – but by America’s next president and his allies.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/16/us-no-longer-haven-jews-under-donald-trump-steve-bannon-antisemitism

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  19. stogy

    Come on, stogy, can I mock this woman just a little bit?

    You can do what you like. I’m not offended. I’m just arguing that it isn’t in your interests to do so. And that you can’t see that worries me.

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  20. stogy

    1)You will not give your approbation, no matter what he does.

    That’s actually untrue. Had he been willing to take a more conciliatory approach by appointing people with solid conservative values, I would be much more likely to judge him more favorably. Remember, we are coming out of one of the most divisive election cycles ever, with a candidate who mocked a person with a disability, bragged about groping women, used language that made entire sectors of the community feel vulnerable, and encouraged violence on dissenters. Yet here is setting my mind at rest by making appointments that are endorsed by the Nazi party and the KKK.

    I feel entitled to be critical.

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  21. stogy

    I do find it ironic that, after 8 years of Obama and the left generally pissing on US-Israel relations, they suddenly get their collective panties in a wad over an alleged anti-semite in Trump’s Administration.

    Yup, the US government opposing ethnic cleansing of Palestinian communities was definitely a negative policy stance (I guess you hauled Reagan’s ass over the coals for opposing expansion of Israeli West Bank settlements as well, eh?).

    Hang on? Didn’t”t the Obama administration just approve massive arms sales to Israel? 38 billion dollars or thereabouts? Plus the year before. And the year before that. Not exactly out in the cold all this time, were they?

    Anyway, now Israel can give free reign to its own religious fundamentalist elements without fear of even a reprimand.

     

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  22. richtaylor365 *

    . I’m just arguing that it isn’t in your interests to do so. And that you can’t see that worries me

    It’s in my interest to have a little fun, if it’s at the expense of a loon, all the better. An interesting conversation, when she explains that tattoo to her kids.

     Had he been willing to take a more conciliatory approach by appointing people with solid conservative values

    Pence would have a chuckle over this.

     Yet here is setting my mind at rest by making appointments that are endorsed by the Nazi party and the KKK.

    So I guess if we find out David Duke likes Italian food, you would stop eating Italian as some kind of political gesture. Face it, Trump was not your guy so you would squawk about any endorsement and it is beyond silly to make a connection to Bannon and any unsavory group just because they approve.

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  23. richtaylor365 *

    It’s really amusing, all the leftest purveyors in garbage all use the same talking points, that Bannon called Kristol a “Renagade Jew”, even though another Jew wrote that article, not Bannon. And that his ex-wife said he made derogatory comments about Jews, now there is a solid endorsement you can take to the bank, an ex wife bad mouthing her spouse. Other Jewish writers at Breitbart have already debunked all this. And considering that both Ivanka and her husband are practicing Jews themselves, would it not seem odd to you that they would  endorse Bannon, with Jared  working with him on a daily basis. But yeah, KKK, keep running with that.

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  24. CM

    So I guess if we find out David Duke likes Italian food, you would stop eating Italian as some kind of political gesture.

    C’mon Rich, there’s an actual reason Duke and other white supremacists are very happy. It’s not random. It’s not some reason unrelated to racism, like eating Italian food. That’s just silly.

    BUT, the proof is in the pudding. So yeah, let’s see what happens (which is what stogy has been saying all along).

    I think we know the whole Israel/Palestinian discussion is pointless.

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  25. stogy

    And yet people are suddenly feeling unafraid to ramp up the anti-Semitism in the US, like what happened to my friend yesterday for the first time in her life. A lot of American Jews are suddenly feeling worried. Hate language has increased.

    I am not saying that Trump is anti-Semitic – I don’t think he is. However, he has allowed this particular demon out of the bag along with the other ones he actually did encourage during the campaign.

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  26. CM

    And yet some on the right, including on this very blog, are doing their very best to either play that down as much as possible or dismiss it outright. It’s almost as if, despite all that unbelievable hate and all those threats over all those months, it’s ‘unfair’ to bring any of it up. Sheesh.

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  27. stogy

    You see this too stogy?

    Yeah. I heard about it this afternoon. If I can, I am planning to sign up for it. What better way to celebrate my lifelong atheism than support others in their freedom of belief. If there ends up being a Jewish list, I’ll sign on for that too.

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  28. stogy

    Had he been willing to take a more conciliatory approach by appointing people with solid conservative values
    Pence would have a chuckle over this.

    You may laugh. No really, it’s OK. I actually have a lot of respect for traditional conservative values – particularly those in the Buckley mold. I don’t always agree with conservative policies or views, but many conservatives are good people and want to live in a society that is not so different from the one I want to live in. We just have different ideas on how to get there.

    Trump, however, is not a conservative. He is a populist. His views can be traded and interchanged wherever he sees a political advantage. He is just as likely to stick to a position as abandon it depending on which way the wind is blowing.

    Anyway, I am going to lay off for now.

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  29. Iconoclast

    Yup, the US government opposing ethnic cleansing of Palestinian communities was definitely a negative policy stance (I guess you hauled Reagan’s ass over the coals for opposing expansion of Israeli West Bank settlements as well, eh?).

    FFS, stogy, are you really that unaware of the difference between disagreeing with an ally and being openly hostile toward them?  You make being disingenuous an art form.

     

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  30. richtaylor365 *

    You may laugh. No really, it’s OK. I actually have a lot of respect for traditional conservative values

    You missed my point, you mentioned a lack of conservative values in Trump’s appointments and Mike Pence is the poster child for conservative values, that is why HE would chuckle at you.

     

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  31. Iconoclast

    You may laugh. No really, it’s OK.

    You also make missing the point an art form.  It ain’t Rich who’s laughing.  He’s saying Pence would laugh, you know, because Pence is someone with those “solid conservative values” you seem to be pining for, and Trump chose Pence, you know, the guy with “solid conservative values”.  It’s just an amusing bit of irony that seems to have sailed right over your head.

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  32. richtaylor365 *

    And in still looking for that admitted one thing right Trump does re: his appointments, can you at least get behind the lobbyist ban and the requirement for all appointees to sign a declaration that they will not personally enrich themselves by taking lobbyist jobs for 5 years after leaving his employment?

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  33. Santino

    We just have different ideas on how to get there.

    This is poignant.  I find in having political arguments that after all the invective has been spewed, when you take the 10 thousand foot view, quite often your “opponent” wants to end up on the same page.  The journey is important, but quite often the other side isn’t as EVIL!!!!! as they are portrayed.  Plus drinking never helps.

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  34. Iconoclast

    C’mon Rich, there’s an actual reason Duke and other white supremacists are very happy. 

    You mean all 50 thousand of them?  They represent about 0.02% of the US population, so who cares what they think?  It ain’t as if they’re any kind of socio-political force.  They’re probably happy simply because they’re swallowing the nonsensical “Trump Is A Closet Klansman” bilge the leftist media keeps churning out.

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