Recommend me a pre-election diet

A guest post here from behind liberal lines….

There’s been quite a bit of talk in this election cycle about the ‘two realities’ each campaign is discussing.

Either the country has descended into a fiery hellscape with exploding amounts of crime, citizens being forced to eat their own shows and airports like third world countries – or the USA is A-OK, with impressive post recession growth, record stock markets, low unemployment and a gay wedding cake industry experiencing record growth.

This post isn’t about arguing which reality is more real. For a guy who’s currently 7,000 miles away, that wouldn’t be smart. But I was interested in where people are getting their perspective from. A recent discussion with Rich about Fox news encouraged me to seek out some alternative sources of news.

So my question to everyone here – what is your election news diet? Where do you get the information that tells you how the race is going? Which ones should I take a look at to balance out my perspective?

35 comments:

  1. ilovecress *

    My main diet currently consists of

    The Guardian for news updates, and then I research on Foxnews.com to see what the other side is

    Podcast wise, I listen to the 538 podcast and Slate Political gabfest. I also tune into NPR politics and the Maddow Show

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  2. Hal_10000

    Most of my news comes from either my Twitter or Feedly feeds.  Simple news, I’ll turn to cnn or Fox News websites. For opinion, the meat of my reading is either Vox (liberal POV), Reason (libertarian) or Hot Air (conservative). I have about 150 twitter accounts I follow but about 30 of those form the core of my reading.

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  3. richtaylor365

    Either the country has descended into a fiery hellscape with exploding amounts of crime, citizens being forced to eat their own shows and airports like third world countries – or the USA is A-OK, with impressive post recession growth, record stock markets, low unemployment and a gay wedding cake industry experiencing record growth.

    Hyperbole aside, it couldn’t be somewhere in the middle, could it?

    Here is your reality, a country $20 trillion in debt with the year over year deficit growing at a 25% clip, an anemic economy the likes of which has not been seen since the great depression with a record straight 8 year at 2% or less growth (average 45 years before at 3.5 to 4%), record poverty rate, record numbers on food stamps, an immigration policy in shambles, onerous regulatory and tax rates on small business (with Obamacare) killing any venturesome entrepreneurs willing to risk it, ever increasing crime rates in large inter-cities primarily due to the Fergusson Effect, a coddling of college age folks the likes of which will make them absolutely useless to compete in a global market place, and PC/progressivism targeting our basic civil liberties, primarily the 1st Amendment, with the 2nd soon behind. So no, we are not A-OK, nor are we a fiery hellscape.

    You mentioned the stock market, not sustainable, propped up by quantitative easing and zero interest rates. What used to drive the market, earnings and investor sentiment, has been replaced by ,”Where else do I put my money since bonds don’t pay shit”. Companies that used to innovate, hire and expand, now just buy back stock and increase dividends that can’t sustain, it will all coming crashing down.

    With a digital subscription the USA Today, and the 2 papers I get in the morning (local rag/liberal, and the WSJ), this starts my day off. Foxnews, the hard news shows that provide both points of view in anything political and One America News along with about half a dozens blogs I look at daily gives my a good handle on things.

    I know your question was about election news. TBH, I am so fed up with this crappy election with crappy nominees, my main interests now is what dirt is going to come out, hidden emails that reveal the corruption we know exists with Hillary, a rogue FBI agent or Justice staffer that taped any part of the massive cover up that took place, A love child unearthed, fathered by Trump when the mom was only 16, or slew of women who come forward declaring that Trump gave them an STD, anything that provides color to this narrative, the election from hell.

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  4. richtaylor365

    And talking about leaked emails;

    BUSTED: Hillary Clinton Fowarded An Email Calling Muslims “Sand N-Ggers” In Latest Wikileaks Dump

    Cress, if this is true, and it appears legit since the entire email is provided, 2 questions;

    1) Does this kind of racist talk fall to the level of ,”Grab her by the pussy”?

    2) Do you think the MSM will provide this (or any other email revelation that comes down the pike) one tenth of one percent of the news coverage that they gave to Trump’s bus conversation?

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  5. ilovecress *

    Rich : 1) Yes, 2) No (although your link seems to have been removed, and CMs seems to debunk it – I got some serious popup action from some of the sites I found when I googled it…)

    I’ll also take the bait and say that the Donald issue isn’t about ‘locker room talk’ (although that is problematic) it’s about what he claims he did.

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  6. CM

    It was a professional environment not a locker-room and he wasn’t with friends and was boasting about being able to get away with sexual assault. Above the law, essentially. Exactly what Alex bangs about when it comes to the left. But then I get the strong impression Trump and Alex have a very similar attitude to women, which obviously takes precedence.

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  7. Hal_10000

    Wait, Rich linked to a fringe website with a BS claim they had to scrub?

    I’m so shocked.

    This is why Trump has arisen, because of this apocalyptic fact-free conspiratorial approach to politics that has now consumed the Republican Party.  Just look at the claims regularly maid on this website.  Poverty is at record levels (nope), food stamps at record levels (nope), increasing crime rate (maybe), Ferguson effect (nope), surging illegal immigration (nope), War on Cops (nope), Global Warming’s a hoax (nope). Trump is the apotheosis of this, just spewing all kinds of BS that’s simply not true and his followers lap it up because they’ve been spoon-fed BS for years and years and are living in a fact-free universe.

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  8. Hal_10000

    CM, this isn’t the first time something in Wikileaks dump has been mistaken for Clinton’s words. Yesterday, Trump was running around PA saying she knew she was responsible for Benghazi based on wikileaks. Turned out someone had forward an article written by Kurt Eichenwald discussing the potential political ramifications.

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  9. richtaylor365

    Wait, Rich linked to a fringe website with a BS claim they had to scrub?

    I’m so shocked.

    Yes, that is why I prefaced the comment with .”If this is true”, unlike you, who links to fringe websites and then proclaims any idiocy in print as gospel.

    Trump is the apotheosis of this, just spewing all kinds of BS that’s simply not true and his followers lap it up because they’ve been spoon-fed BS for years and years and are living in a fact-free universe.

    You sound just like Hillary, wait, don’t tell me, your fact free comment above was really about Abe Lincoln and how we walked both sides of an argument.

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  10. Hal_10000

    Yes, that is why I prefaced the comment with .”If this is true”, unlike you, who links to fringe websites and then proclaims any idiocy in print as gospel.

    Yes. I always forget that site like the Bureau of Labor Statistics or the Washington Post are “fringe” sites.

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  11. Iconoclast

    food stamps at record levels (nope)

    Well, it was at a record high of 47.78 million in 12/2012, and only fell below 46 million in February of last year, so this claim was valid for years.  Therefore, assigning a simple “nope” to the claim is misleading.

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  12. Iconoclast

    It was a professional environment not a locker-room and he wasn’t with friends and was boasting about being able to get away with sexual assault. Above the law, essentially. Exactly what Alex bangs about when it comes to the left. But then I get the strong impression Trump and Alex have a very similar attitude to women, which obviously takes precedence.

    Your observations are technically true, but they don’t measure up to what Bill Clinton allegedly did (not just bragged about).  He allegedly raped at least one woman and had sex with several.  And Hillary stood beside him and did everything in her power to defame those women.  All we know about Trump in this instance is that he bragged about feeling women up and trying to have sex with them.  Clinton did a lot more than just “try”……

    And the fact that it wasn’t a locker room is irrelevant; “locker-room talk” is hyperbole, not literal.

    Finally, your “strong impressions” about Trump and Alex are beyond irrelevant.

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  13. AlexInCT

    I was going to ignore the resident RTFTLC DNC operative clown’s miserably attempt at attacking my character, but I think it is better to call him out for the lying and duplicitous giant douche that he is.

    Reality is that in my quite lengthy life, the only women I have ever had problems with are the ones always out looking for trouble, regardless of if it is there or not, because that’s what they have been thought empowers them. I am very adept at recognizing the type and avoiding them. When I can’t avoid them, I make sure to have plenty of witnesses and evidence that the problem is theirs, and that has left a load of them with an agenda sucking wind. I also feel obligated to point out that real women have no problem with me, and that is because they know I am genuine and not the fake shit that the leftist douche parade pretends guys have to be today.

    Also, as Iconoclast already pointed out, I want to again stress that if it was not for double standards, that the left would have none. Trump is evil because he talks about women the way I have heard countless women talk about men, before they really got downright nasty. Clinton, whose husband is a rapist, has a lengthy history of abusing power to take advantage of vulnerability (chubby interns and kids even on those trips to DR!) for sexual gratification, and in general actually is the incarnation of all the evil things feminists tell us all non-leftist men are, gets a pass. And she does so even after she destroyed any and all of these women that dared to come out and point her man was a scumbag, not because she thought they were lying, but because they stood in her way to accumulate power and wealth.

    As a final point I want to ask which one was worse: Donald Trump talking about his prowess with women in a crude way, or Clinton laughing it up about how she railroaded a little girl who had been raped so she could get the perp off? The usual suspects in the media are in a tizzy about Trump, but when the story about Clinton came out, they did their best to bury it, and when that didn’t work, cover for her. It was one excuse after another to the point it made people with even the smallest bit of a moral compass want to hurl.

    Ask yourself how likely it will be that these DNC operatives with bylines defending Hillary and her ilk’s malfeasance, corruption, and criminality, will hold Hillary accountable for breaking the law or abusing her power while in the WH, huh? I mean look at what Obama has gotten away with, and while they sure as hell went as deep into the gutters as they could to protect him, what they are doing for Hillary sets new records.

    I wonder if those of you all concerned about what Trump said, and certainly seem totally immune to what the Clintons have done, see the hypocrisy in your ways? Actually I don’t. She is your kind of people, which tells me all I need to know about you.

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  14. richtaylor365

    CM, I have to agree with Alex, that was a cheap shot.

    I wonder if those of you all concerned about what Trump said, and certainly seem totally immune to what the Clintons have done, see the hypocrisy in your ways? 

    It is quite stunning. For years Hal has lionized Bill Clinton as a good and effective president (too bad all his signature accomplishments were GOP ideas that he hitched his wagon to), a man of vision who understood fiscal responsibility and could work across the isle. Yet even before his first day as pres we knew that he was a sexual predator, we knew that he sexually harassed, sexually assaulted, and raped women. He didn’t just talk about his actions, leaving the recipient to wonder if in fact any of these boosts were true, he actually did these horrible things. Yet, here we are, with all those sins, Bill was just a peachy president. But Trump? no siree, his engaging in locker room talk, a private conversation one guy to another, talking about women in a derogatory fashion, that makes him unfit for the office.

     

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  15. Hal_10000

    As a final point I want to ask which one was worse: Donald Trump talking about his prowess with women in a crude way, or Clinton laughing it up about how she railroaded a little girl who had been raped so she could get the perp off? 

    No. Take your mouth off the firehouse of bullshit. Clinton was assigned to defend a man accused of rape. She did her job.  The prosecution had lost the key piece of evidence and she pleaded him down. Anyone who disparages her for defending an accused man to the best of her ability after his case was assigned to her by a judge is a God-damned fascist.

    She did laugh later in an interview about how the case made her forever skeptical of polygraph tests because he passed one.  That might have been inappropriate.  You can read more here.

    As for the “but Bill!” defense:

    1) Trump HAS been accused of groping women, harassing women, fondling women, barging in on women dressing for his beauty pageants. He is one of those accused of taking Epstein’s Lolita Express to Rape Island. You keep ignoring this.

    2) This isn’t crude talk.  Crude talk is “I’d hit that” or “yeah, I had her and her sister”.  Crude talk is not, “I grab women’s genitals and they don’t do anything about it because I’m famous”.  That’s boasting about a sexual predator.

    3) The point of the accusations against Bill is that Bill Clinton was a piece of shit.  So your defense is that Trump is also a piece of shit?

    I really wish people would quit cutting and pasting their talking points from Trump’s speeches.

    (And I agree that was a cheap shot on Alex, CM.)

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  16. Aussiesmurf

    Answering the original question, this is the main web-page which I check for the right-wing view.  My main US politics pages for views aligning more closely with my own are :

    Talkingpointsmemo.com

    Kevin Drum at Mother Jones

    Heather ‘Digby’ Parton at http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com

    The Rude Pundit

    Amanda Marcotte @ Salon (A name that I know raises a lot of your collective hackles, but I’ve been reading her for a decade or more, although we certainly don’t always agree).

    John Cole (former Bush voter with the historical blog entries to prove it) at http://www.Balloon-Juice.com.

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  17. Hal_10000

    One other point on the locker room business. This was not a locker room. This was a professional environment with a TV crew where Trump was wearing a mic talking to a host he’d just met in preparation for going on camera.

    It will be interesting to see if NBC ever releases the unedited Apprentice tapes.

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  18. richtaylor365

    As for the “but Bill!” defense:

    Hal, you still don’t get it, exhibit A verbally brags about committing bad behavior, exhibit B actually does it, see the difference?

     He is one of those accused of taking Epstein’s Lolita Express to Rape Island.

    Bold accusations , got any proof that he raped anyone there, anywhere?

    This isn’t crude talk

    That is exactly what it is, one vulgar creep verbally bragging to another vulgar creep how  he practices being vulgarly creepy.

    The point of the accusations against Bill is that Bill Clinton was a piece of shit.  So your defense is that Trump is also a piece of shit?

    For me, yeah, birds of a feather. But where Trump just brags about it, Clinton actually did it. And until you can produce something meatier than ,”His exwife said he raped her, then later recanted”, something with teeth (not saying there isn’t any, I would put nothing past Trump in this area), it will stay locker room talk.

    I really wish people would quit cutting and pasting their talking points from Trump’s speeches.

    I never listen to any of his speeches, so float that somewhere else.

    Oh, and don’t lose sight of the contrast, I am not using Clinton’s behavior to justify Trumps, bad behavior is bad behavior, period. But many on the left are using this bus conversation as some sort of sign that Trump is unfit for the office, too vulgar or creepy to be president. Trump is unfit in many areas but if Bill Clinton taught us anything, a douchewagon can be president, the left’s short term memory notwithstanding.

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  19. Hal_10000

    Hal, you still don’t get it, exhibit A verbally brags about committing bad behavior, exhibit B actually does it, see the difference?

    There is just as much evidence that Trump does these things as Bill does.  At least twenty lawsuits. One was dropped as part of a settlement over a company he tried to rip off. Here is another. And there are ongoing reports of his behavior on the Apprentice. People who grew up in NYC tell me none of this is a surprise. Trump boasted about seducing woman all the time, was constantly in the tabloids in the 80’s and 90’s.

    Bold accusations , got any proof that he raped anyone there, anywhere?

    Yes. Katie Johnson’s ongoing lawsuit.

    As for the tape, that alone would not persuade me that Trump is unfit for office. But as part of a year long pattern of behavior, a decades-long pattern of behavior, it’s just one more piece on the pile.

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  20. Hal_10000

    There is just as much evidence that Trump does these things as Bill does.

    Let me expand on this.

    Clinton had admitted to extramarital affairs with Lewinsky and Flowers and several other women have admitted to affairs. Trump has admitted to extramarital affairs with Maples as well as numerous other women (bragged about it, in fact).

    Kathleen Willy alleges that Bill Clinton groped her. Paula Jones alleged that Bill Clinton sexually harassed her and settled a lawsuit out of court. Jill Harth alleges that Donald Trump repeatedly groped and harassed her and dropping her lawsuit was part of a related financial settlement. Trump bragged about barging in on Miss Universe contestants when they were dressing.

    Juanita Broadrick alleges that Bill Clinton raped her. Katie Johnson alleges that Donald Trump raped her (as did Ivana, although she later withdrew that accusation). The allegation against Clinton was never be litigated in court.  The latter is currently pending (although, TBF, Clinton also flew on Epstein’s Lolita Express numerous times).

    So … seriously … why is Bill a proven predator and Trump isn’t?

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  21. richtaylor365

    OK, we’ll take ‘em one at a time;

     twenty lawsuits

    The first 2 paragraphs;

    One woman sued Donald Trump’s Miami resort saying she lost her job because she got pregnant.

    Two others claimed they were fired after complaining that co-workers sexually harassed them.

    And you are going to pin this on Trump, personally? Of those 20, how many actually involve Trump himself?

     One was dropped as part of a settlement over a company he tried to rip off.

    That is one way to put it, another would be that she filed her suit several years after the fact, specifically as leverage in another suit her husband filed for breach of contract, Trump did not want them hosting their events at his properties anymore. And yes, the suit was dropped.

    Here is another

    No, its the same one as above.

    Yes. Katie Johnson’s ongoing lawsuit.

    This one is interesting and I hope plays out,but TBH, this has more plot lines than GOTs’ ;

    For a time, it seemed like a perfect marriage between a #NeverTrump Republican with money to spend and a penniless woman and her handler who allegedly had the ammunition to sink the Republican nominee.

    But in less than a month, the strange alliance has ended.

    Baer and Taylor, both eccentric in their own right, have turned on each other in a war of escalating all-caps emails. Baer now claims he is withholding additional financial support for Johnson. He and Taylor are threatening to sue one another. And Baer’s antics—which include delivering an unpixelated tape, of a woman he claims to be Katie Johnson, to GOP presidential hopefuls and House Speaker Paul Ryan—allegedly brought the FBI and the police to his door.

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    Far from derailing the Trump train, Katie Johnson and her supporters seem to be in an out-of-control clown car whose wheels just came off.

    So … seriously … why is Bill a proven predator and Trump isn’t?

    A fair question, to be sure. I suspect that a lot of the sexual allegations leveled at Trump are probably true, but let’s not forget the DNC track record for orchestrating bogus sexual charges leveled at prior GOP candidates, McCain, Bush, Romney, even Cruz and Rubio when they were relevant. Three factors tip the scales for me; frequency (I still remember the stories from at least half a dozen Arkansas Highway Patrol officers, who routinely brought girls to the capitol when Clinton was governor), the egregiousness of the actual acts, Here is just a partial rap sheet, and the breach of public trust, Clinton was a politician who violated his office and abused his power and authority, Trump was a private citizen who acted on his own outside the scope of civil service. Factor in that Clinton had to actually pay a huge civil settlement to settle the charges and that he has routinely lied about this transgressions with no subsequent apologies to follow.

    But yeah, both of these guys are scumbags of the first degree.

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  22. AlexInCT

    No. Take your mouth off the firehouse of bullshit. Clinton was assigned to defend a man accused of rape. She did her job.

    You might need to work on your reading comprehension or you bogus display of indignity there sir. I NEVER said she didn’t have the duty to defend her client, and even get that client off, guilty or not. that is the role of a defense lawyer, after all.

    My post was limited to her commentary, after the fact, of how fun it was to destroy that client on the bench. As I said: lawyers should provide the best defense possible, but even someone as partisan of a hack as you should feel that bragging and laughing about it, especially when you claim to be a feminist, should kind of make you a pariah, not have people like you moving goalposts to deflect for being called out on your hypocrisy. And it is hypocrisy of the worst kind.

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  23. AlexInCT

    1) Trump HAS been accused of groping women, harassing women, fondling women, barging in on women dressing for his beauty pageants. He is one of those accused of taking Epstein’s Lolita Express to Rape Island. You keep ignoring this.

    And I will until the SJW crowd levels the same amount of scorn at members of their clique for doing the same. As long as they not only provide excuses and cover for their own, but then act indignant like you do when called on it, i will not bother with it one bit. I have no desire to allow Alinskyits use a morality they don’t adhere to in any way, shape or form to as usual provide cover for the most despicable and disgusting people on the planet. Fuck that nonsense.

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  24. AlexInCT

    On that, at least, we can agree.

    I don’t: Clinton sets a far lower bar. And any feminist that not only defends him, but attacks others for far less, even going so far as to try and destroy his accusers (because they are telling the truth), goes even lower.

    In a just world where all this SJW crap was not just a means to an end for the marxists, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. That we do – and the reason someone like Trump has ended up where he is – is precisely because so many of us have finally realized that playing by the rules of the SJW crowd is a losing game. They themselves never follow them, and they exist to destroy the opposition.

    Pass.

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  25. Iconoclast

    Again, to drive the point home, the outrage over Trump’s comments is phony and full of hypocrisy.   Hillary’s claiming that this makes Trump “unfit” for the White House completely ignores the fact that someone just as bad, if not worse, has already been in  the White House, and Hillary was his enabler.   Therefore, any argument you or she may have against Trump on this matter is rendered completely irrelevant.

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  26. Hal_10000

    My post was limited to her commentary, after the fact, of how fun it was to destroy that client on the bench

    The victim was never on the bench.  There was no trial. There was a plea bargain because the prosecution lost the evidence. The interviewer himself said she wasn’t laughing at Shelton. Care to dig deeper into your alternative reality?

    Therefore, any argument you or she may have against Trump on this matter is rendered completely irrelevant.

    Except that I was against Bill Clinton too — no hypocrisy. And are you seriously arguing the Hillary abetting her husband’s offenses is just as bad as actually <i>doing</i> them?

    Incidentally, the roof has fallen in today.  Multiple on-record accusations.  At least four that I’ve seen tonight with more coming.

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  27. AlexInCT

    The victim was never on the bench.  There was no trial. There was a plea bargain because the prosecution lost the evidence. Care to dig deeper into your alternative reality?

    Where did you get that from? One of those unbiased fact checking orgs that works for the Clintons? I know the US media is burying the story and lying through their teeth about it, but <a href=”http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html” target=”_new”>the victim spoke</a>. The Clintons being serial liars, and the media lying and manipulating the news from them, I am going to believe anyone else until the Clintons can prove otherwise.

    You however are at least consistent and defending the indefensible again.

    Except that I was against Bill Clinton too — no hypocrisy. And are you seriously arguing the Hillary abetting her husband’s offenses is just as bad as actually <i>doing</i> them?

    And you are again showing your true colors by acting as if that monster is just the victim of a guy that can’t keep it in his pants.  What Hillary has done is worse. Especially since her claim to fame is that she is a strong independent woman and a feminist. Bill is a rapist and cad. She is a two faced liar willing to sell her soul to the devil for power (she did that already on numerous occasions). She is beyond an enabler: she destroyed those that threatened her relentless need for power.

    Stop insulting my intelligence and just admit you are a liberal and willing to stoop to any ends to protect the liberal cause when push comes to shove.

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  28. Hal_10000

    Alex, here are those “lying fact checkers” with first hand documents and you’re going with the Daily. Fucking. Fail. whose claims have already been withdrawn because they conflicted with the actual court documents.

    I don’t think anything could better illustrate how you’ve been consumed by the Alternative Reality Vortex that has taken over the Right Wing.

    Trump is a rapist and cad. She is a two faced liar willing to sell her soul to the devil for power (she did that already on numerous occasions).

    FTFY.

    And once again, we see the Alex political philosophy. If you don’t agree with whoever had the big red R on his chest, you’re a secret librul.

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  29. Iconoclast

     And are you seriously arguing the Hillary abetting her husband’s offenses is just as bad as actually <i>doing</i> them?

    Read what I said again:

    Hillary’s claiming that this makes Trump “unfit” for the White House completely ignores the fact that someone just as bad, if not worse, has already been in  the White House, and Hillary was his enabler.Therefore, any argument you or she may have against Trump on this matter is rendered completely irrelevant.

    What I am arguing against is this idiotic “unfit for the office” nonsense.  Yeah, he may be “unfit”, but it ain’t his Billy Bush Bus remarks that make him so.  And please don’t try and tell me Hillary is fit for the office….

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