Fundamentally changed!

Do you think Seoul would have felt compelled to put out a statement like this one if they felt the US could be reliably trusted to make sure the crazy a-hole running the North Korean prison state held in check, and if that failed, dealt with?

This is the Obama legacy. That great statesman that was going to fix all the problems that cowboy Boosh caused by actually showing strength and telling most of the madmen of the world there would be consequences?

Note that I still felt Boosh was soft on both North Korea and Iran, and that he wasn’t particularly strong with China or Russia either, but our allies at least felt the US had their back.

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  1. CM

    “but our allies at least felt the US had their back.”

    By destabilising pre-emptive war in the Middle East. What a great steaming pile of manure from you yet again.

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  2. CM

    Check out the first graph here…http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/29/as-obama-years-draw-to-close-president-and-u-s-seen-favorably-in-europe-and-asia/

    “As he nears the end of his presidency, Barack Obama continues to enjoy a broad degree of international popularity. A new Pew Research Center survey conducted in 10 European nations, four major Asia-Pacific countries, Canada and the United States finds that half or more of those polled in 15 of 16 countries express confidence in the American leader.”

    But, sure, you go with your emotions instead Alex….and perhaps find some conspiracy to support them.

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  3. CM

    “The candidate who heads to the White House in January, whether Trump or Clinton, faces the daunting challenge of comparison with Barack Obama, who is leaving office enjoying widespread public confidence in his conduct of foreign affairs. In Europe, majorities in nine of 10 countries surveyed this year trust the outgoing president’s ability to handle international issues, including 93 percent in Sweden and 91 percent in the Netherlands. Only the Greeks regard Obama unfavorably, with 58 percent expressing little or no confidence in him.
    Obama has fewer fans in Asia, but is still popular: 78 percent in Japan, 58 percent in India and 52 percent in China voice faith in Obama’s record on the world stage.
    History suggests that foreign confidence in US presidential leadership can be a consequence of the triumph of hope over experience. In 2008 in Europe, in the wake of the Iraq war and other issues that put Washington at loggerheads with other countries, trust in then-President George W. Bush had fallen to 16 percent in the United Kingdom, 14 percent in Germany and 13 percent in France, according to a Pew Research Center survey

    http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/us-prepares-elect-president-world-may-have-mind-made

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  4. AlexInCT *

    By destabilising pre-emptive war in the Middle East. What a great steaming pile of manure from you yet again.

    Yeah because Obama has done soooooo much better. I mean shit he had to clean up Afghanistan and Iraq after they where all but pasified. And then there was the chaos in Libya and Syria Boosh created. Or the evil Boosh people paying Iran money for hostages after they created a super secret agreement that basically lets Iran build a nuclear bomb. Yeah, Boosh was a disaster, because before him Iraq was a fucking paradise, and Afghanistan just a simple place where nothing ever happened.

    That was sarcasm BTW you moron.

    “As he nears the end of his presidency, Barack Obama continues to enjoy a broad degree of international popularity.

    Typical leftist confounding poll approvals and popularity with effective leadership. I am pretty sure that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mugabe, Chavez, and a slew of other evil mother fuckers and incompetent idiots had really great poll numbers while what they did was horrible or downright idiotic. By your logic we should fucking elect the Kardasians to lead the world.

    And I am ignoring the rest of your posts because I neither trust these polls, nor the lack of methodology for me to confirm their bias, and I am certain that you cherry picked data like the rest of your movement as well as the demcorat operatives with bylines (the MSM) have done the last 16 years. But feel free to keep defending down right ineptitude and stupidity, man. It works for me.

    As I heard a genius ask recently: “If Obama’s goal was to destroy a prosperous America, drag the western world into miasma, and end global stability, what would he have done differently?”. Since you are dense, I will tell you that the answer is not much more than he has already done.

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  5. CM

    The point is that the world, and South Korea in particular, has much greater respect to Obama at the end of his Presidency than they did for Bush at the end of his. So your whole ‘Obama legacy’ about trust is just nonsense. The opposite is true, as the data at my links demonstrate. The fact that you don’t like it and won’t accept it because you’re a loony tunes is irrelevant.

    And I am ignoring the rest of your posts

    Of course.

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  6. AlexInCT *

    The point is that the world, and South Korea in particular, has much greater respect to Obama at the end of his Presidency than they did for Bush at the end of his.

    Yeah, sure. that is why South Korea is telling the North that they will bomb them back to the stone age. That’s also why Japan, South Korea, and even Taiwan are talking about getting their own nuclear weapons. Because they respect Obama so much that they know he will have the US keep its commitments… Yeah that’s right!

    Again, popularity contests mean shit. Even if I was to concede that point you are making – and I am not, because the actual events happening show exactly the opposite of what you claim  – what matters isn’t how much people like you, but if they trust you to honor your commitments and believe you will back your words up with action. I would say that the escalated defiance from traditional trouble makers like Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and more importantly, the defiance from others that used to be far less daring – like supposed allies like Turkey or the Philippines – combined with the fact traditional allies are taking actions that clearly show they lack trust in the relationship with the US, destroy your idiotic argument.

    There is a reason that so many admit that the world is far less stable and in far more danger today than even the days of the Cold War: it’s the disastrous US foreign policy. For a historical comparison see the Carter years. Its not a coincidence that the Obama presidency has basically been the one to make the abysmal Carter years look like they were not so horrible anymore. But you can keep pretending you have ground to stand on and that Obama has been awesome.

    Leftist ideology in a nut shell: Up is down, failure is success, crooks are great statesmen, and anyone that disagrees is a homophobic, misogynistic, racist.

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  7. CM

    Because they respect Obama so much that they know he will have the US keep its commitments… Yeah that’s right!

    We only have the data, not the reasoning. But I assume reasonable people understand that there’s a lot more involved than simply what Obama (or the US) has done or can do.

    Again, popularity contests mean shit. 

    Ah right so you can just dismiss whatever doesn’t fit your ODS as some meaningless ‘popularity contest’….brilliant. I bet if the data did fit your narrative you’d be pointing to it.

    So how do you measure it objectively then? That nations like South Korea feel much less safe under Obama than they did under Bush? Because the data indicates that the actual people of those countries feel the opposite.

    because the actual events happening show exactly the opposite of what you claim

    No they don’t, that’s just the ‘Blame Obama’ spin you attach to every single little thing. That’s how we know you have chronic ODS.

     I would say that the escalated defiance from traditional trouble makers like Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and more importantly, the defiance from others that used to be far less daring – like supposed allies like Turkey or the Philippines – combined with the fact traditional allies are taking actions that clearly show they lack trust in the relationship with the US, destroy your idiotic argument.

    I would disagree, and the opinions I linked to clearly support this. If what you are saying is true then I would expect the numbers to look quite different. They would look something like they did when Bush was destabilising the Middle East, trashing decades of multi-lateral relations when it comes to military action, and making Iran significantly more powerful in the process, or worse.

    There is a reason that so many admit that the world is far less stable and in far more danger today than even the days of the Cold War

    And yet the data strongly indicates that the world believes Obama has done a better job than Bush. It’s not even close. So even if what you claim there is true, clearly people aren’t blaming Obama for it. Again, some people realise that not everything is Obama’s fault. I realise you can’t comprehend that.

    But you can keep pretending you have ground to stand on and that Obama has been awesome.

    I’m not the one pretending – I have data to stand on, and I never said Obama has been awesome. Here we go with the lying again….

     

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  8. AlexInCT *

    We only have the data, not the reasoning.

    We have neither. Without the methodology and the questions I never accept the conclusion of any poll. I am not stupid enough to fall for the manipulative tactics of the people that actually put value in this sort of nonsense.

    But I assume reasonable people understand that there’s a lot more involved than simply what Obama (or the US) has done or can do.

    I am sure that like all leftists that when you say reasonable people, you mean people that think like you instead of what I would call reasonable (people that see collectivism as a plague on humanity because of the last 100 years of history).

     

    Ah right so you can just dismiss whatever doesn’t fit your ODS as some meaningless ‘popularity contest’….brilliant. I bet if the data did fit your narrative you’d be pointing to it.

    The only one dismissing anything is you. I pointed out how some really inept or horrible people enjoyed big popularity, and that popularity means very little when it comes to projections of strength. There is a reason the adage “It is be better to be feared than liked” was coined, but I am sure you are well aware of this point but just want, as usual, to ignore this fact.

    So how do you measure it objectively then? 

    Did you really ask that? Me, I go by what people do. When Carter was president, the USSR was all over the place. They invaded Afghanistan, pushed the US around in Europe, South America, and all over Asia. The Shah of Iran was left out there to hang after a Soviet backed revolution, only to end up with an even more dangerous megalomaniac in charge. Many of our allies worried about our ability to back them up when push came to shove, and a lot of the fence sitters went over to the other side. The dominoes were falling left and right as people were wont to say back then. Weakness resulted in our allies not trusting us and our enemies getting emboldened and pushing.

    Compare that with Reagan’s tenure. Your kin called him a madman and accused him of bringing in the apocalypse because he told the USSR to fuck off and die. In the end, not only did the dominoes stop falling but the USSR was pushed back, and not even 4 years after Reagan had left office, imploded. Despite all the bluster, most people behaved (except for the really crazy ones). He projected strength – and did so with the left in the US undermining him and hoping to cause the US to lose the whole time – and that gave our allies confidence and our enemies fear.

    Boosh was no Reagan, but at least he mostly projected strength. Sure your kind hated his guts, but so did the bad guys. Where he didn’t we suffered (North Korea, Iran, and even China come to mind). But our allies responded to the strength he showed on the international front. Your kin love to pretend he went at at like a rough, all alone and in defiance of the global community, but those of us that actually focus on history and not fantasy remember him not only getting congressional approval, but also buy in from practically all our allies that counted. Yeah the French and Russians tried to cock block him in the UN, but that had everything to do with their fear of losing a golden goose (Saddam). Boosh, like Reagan managed to push the enemy back, and when he handed the office to Obama both Iraq and Afghanistan were solidly in the win column (again, despite your kin – especially the democrats – trying their best to have the US lose the conflict), and our allies had confidence while our enemies only misbehaved when they could count on democrats to tie his hands.

    Now, in the age of Obama, we have everybody out there doing whatever the fuck they feel like. The bad guys have no fear at all. But the real indicator of how bad things are is our traditional allies no longer trusting us, or worse, switching over to the other side.

    That nations like South Korea feel much less safe under Obama than they did under Bush? Because the data indicates that the actual people of those countries feel the opposite.

    The people may be deluded into feeling that way, because as I already pointed out popularity contests are easy to rig, but the country’s leadership, the people that have to deal in real world politics, certainly are showing exactly the opposite. But hey, stick to your popularity polls! It’s all your kind has and why I see you remain obsessed with pretending we should measure things by them.

    You remind me of the people that keep telling me that the US economy has been on the upswing and in recovery now for 8 years going, using rigged popularity like measurements, but ignoring the real facts, while everything else indicates the exact opposite.

    I am sure Putin, Xi, Kim, Castro, Maduro, the Ayatollah, ISIS, and a slew of others also would give Obama the thumbs up. They love him because he is a moron, and under his tenure, the US has been gutted. What’s not to like about a guy that does more to harm your enemies or the country you are envious of?

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