Trump the Traitor? Nah

Ugh, again? Here I was, preparing to dump all over the Democrat’s convention, the convention of Upworthy as Jesse Walker has dubbed it. And then the Trump-meister says this:

The New York business magnate and GOP presidential nominee held a news conference at which he criticized his Democratic rival and promised better of US-Russian relations under a Trump administration.

“I have nothing to do with Russia,” said the candidate, who frequently asserts he will get Putin’s respect. Trump said he had never met or spoken to the Russian leader, but he cast doubt over accusations that Moscow was behind a hack of Democratic Party e-mails that embarrassed the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

“If it is Russia, which it probably isn’t, but if it is Russia, it’s bad for a different reason, it shows how little respect they have for our country,” said Trump in reference to the e-mail hack.

He then referenced Clinton’s scandal involving her use of a personal e-mail server during her time as secretary of state, and the more than 30,000 messages that she deleted on grounds they were personal and not related to her government job function.

“I will tell you this, Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said.

The Democrats and much of the media are jumping all over this, criticizing Trump for inviting a foreign power to hack a political rival. And I have to agree. Even if you argue that this was more of an off-the-cuff remark and Trump was merely saying the Russians should release e-mails — an assessment I think is probably accurate — he was still making light of a foreign power influencing our politics. It’s not “treason” but it’s the sort of thing you shouldn’t be doing when dealing with someone as dangerous as Putin.

However … I wish we could get some consistency on this kind of thing. Because whatever you think of Trump’s remark, it’s kind of small potatoes compared to this:

Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

Kennedy did not just challenge the Soviets to embarrass his political rival. He offered a list of specific things he would do to advance their agenda. He would visit Moscow and give them information about our politics. He would arrange for Andropov to have interviews with American media. And Kennedy would lever this “thawing” to lead opposition to Reagan and, hopefully, put himself in the White House in 1988. He essentially wanted to conduct his own foreign policy of detente.

This was far more serious than Trump’s gaffe today but the media ignored it and have continued to ignore it for years. Just as they pretended Hillary Clinton’s deleted e-mails were a big bowl of nothing and are now OUTRAGED that Trump would suggest the Russians release them. It’s political opportunism at its rankest.

So, yeah, I’ll be happy to blast Trump for suggesting, even jokingly, that a foreign power hack his political rival and influence American politics. But I will also blast Ted Kennedy and the fifth column within the Democratic Party that he represented. Because I don’t see this as yet another tool to bash the other party with.

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  1. West Virginia Rebel

    Meanwhile the Democrats have been suggesting that Trump and Putin hacked the DNC together. Ultimately, the real issue here is Hillary’s own incompetence in opening herself up to all sorts of blackmail.

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  2. richtaylor365

    Shark jumping now? Holy smokes, of all the things to criticize Trump for, this is what you write about?

    Yeah, I know your main beef was against Kennedy, but you dove right into the mud with ;

    The Democrats and much of the media are jumping all over this, criticizing Trump for inviting a foreign power to hack a political rival. And I have to agree.

    This was a flippant off the cuff comment to keep the in the Hillary bag media focused on her crimes. You don’t really think Trump actively contacted any Russian authority to request espionage against either Hillary or the US?

    Come on, Hal, their faux outrage over this is laughable, and you agreeing with them, equally laughable.

     

     

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  3. Hal_10000 *

    So Rich, if Clinton went out there and said, “I hope the Russians hack the RNC’s e-mails”, you’d dismiss it as a flip remark?

    Right.

    The Russians hacking into a political candidate’s e-mails and attempting to use those to influence an election is very serious business. It’s not the sort of thing you make flip remarks about.

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  4. richtaylor365

    If the roles were reversed, if Trump was Sec of State, and broke all those espionage laws that Hillary broke, if he bypassed a secured governmental server and ran all his official state correspondence thru his ramshackle bathroom server, implemented for the purpose of subterfuge and avoidance of any FOIA inquires, and if he did what Hillary did, lied about turning over everything and deleted 30,000 emails, factoring in the media love affair with his opponent and their obsession with ignoring her crimes, yes, I would totally dismiss it as a flip remark.

    The Russians hacking into a political candidate’s e-mails and attempting to use those to influence an election is very serious business.

    Yeah, I know you have to dig your heels in because you bought the faux outrage, but really, given Trump’s penchant for the bombastic, his inability to never let a thought go unexpressed, this is really small potatoes. It was a flippant joke to bring attention back to her crimes, nothing nefarious here, and if you want to infer that he was really trying to garner foreign help in influencing our election, I would say that you need to get out more.

     

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  5. Hal_10000 *

    Also, you combine this with other Trump remarks: he isn’t sure if he’d defend the Baltics, he’s open to letting them annex the Crimea, he wants to lift sanctions.  Again, if Clinton were saying these things, ya’ll would be demanding her head on a spike.

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  6. Hal_10000 *

    f you want to infer that he was really trying to garner foreign help in influencing our election, I would say that you need to get out more.

    I wasn’t saying anything of the kind.  I was saying that he’s trying to make light of a serious situation involving a very dangerous opponent for whom he seems to have some twisted admiration.

    But I keep forgetting your philosophy: if the liberal media is for it, you’re against it. If they’re against it, you’re for it.

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  7. Hal_10000 *

    I would also take this a bit more seriously if the Left didn’t have a long history of finding excuses for and even expressing admiration toward people who were total fucking traitors: e.g. the Rosenbergs, Hiss, Duranty, Reed.

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  8. richtaylor365

     Again, if Clinton were saying these things, ya’ll would be demanding her head on a spike

    {sigh}

    How many times do I have to say it? I do not support Trump or condone his actions. How many posts do I have to write calling attention to his deficiencies and lack of presidential qualifications? Don’t conflate the issue. Trump was not soliciting foreign help in an attempt to sway the election, despite what the democratic crybabies (and you) think.

      I was saying that he’s trying to make light of a serious situation involving a very dangerous opponent for whom he seems to have some twisted admiration.

    Although I totally agree with this, it’s not what you said, let me refresh your memory;

    The Democrats and much of the media are jumping all over this, criticizing Trump for inviting a foreign power to hack a political rival. And I have to agree.

    Trump was not inviting a foreign power to hack a political  rival, the tell that you should have caught was ,” Russia, if your’e listening”. This was not a back door attempt to contact a foreign power for the purpose of espionage, it was a speech. And what does Trump do in his speeches, he talks out of his ass, fine, but again, don’t dismiss it’s purpose, to bring attention back to the crimes his opponent committed.

     

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  9. AlexInCT

    Funny that on the one hand the emails the Russians got when they hacked her server all dealt with idiotic shit her yoga appointments and such nonsense, according to her and her campaign, but if Trump tells them that they should release them he is an unpatriotic asshole that is breaking national security, again according to her and her campaign. Does anyone else see the conflict here or am I the only one that gets that its all derp with these morons?

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  10. blameme

    So, Hal, in the same response you have to agree with the Democrats that he is inviting a foreign power to hack a political rival, but you then state that you think it was “more” of an off the cuff remark. That doesn’t seem odd to you? That you would post you agree with them but then say it was “more” off the cuff? Which is it dude? You write well, but either that was one of the more poorly structured thoughts I have ever seen or, once again, you want to be on both sides.

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  11. AlexInCT

    Alex I think at this point I think you’re in a world of your own.

    Actually douchebag you are the one that is there. NEWS FUCKING FLASH: The Russians already hacked Hillary! Nobody needs to ask them to do so. They got in through that unsecured server she had so she could hide the criminal activity around the Clinton foundation, and they have enough intel that they can hack anything she touches going forward with impunity.

    Let me make one thing very clear for those of you that have fallen for the soundbites: Trump didn’t ask the Russians to hack Hillary. As I pointed out, that has already been done in case you forgot. This government chose not to enforce the law they used to attack their enemies, more than any administration before them combined did, and they gave her a pass for breaking those laws. What Trump did was ask them to share those emails. The media and the DNC decided to twist what he said, but the American people – the ones that don’t have their heads so far up their ass that they can’t tell a criminal when they see her – got it despite that attempt by the media to yet again smear Trump. Honestly, I think I might need to revise my opinion that Trump is a buffoon considering how he is playing chess, and running circles around these idiots, while democrats are not even playing up to the level of checkers.

    The same people that made excuses for Hillary and told us all that when she broke the espionage laws with that unsecured server it all was a manufactured republican scandal, are now, after they spend years telling us the lost emails are really so unimportant that only partisan hacks would care about them, saying that if the Russians (or for that matter anyone else that hacked that server and basically spied on US foreign policy) actually leak these emails it is suddenly a national security violation/issue. Even more important, they then want Trump held accountable for Hillary having an unsecured server that got hacked, because of all reasons, he had the temerity to point out that if we got those emails we would see how corrupt and disingenuous these people are! So what is it? And why the fuck are democrats that sided with the Soviet Union over this country and constantly told anyone that any person that pointed out the USSR was dangerous, was a fucking lunatic making up shit, now suddenly invoking the red scare?

    You are a fucking hack CM, and I understand that even when the facts are presented to you it will not dissuade your support for an evil ideology and corrupt and disgusting people. But stop acting as if you are the one on solid ground and that those that point out how morally bankrupt you and the left are, are not.

    Either the emails are unimportant and whether the Russians leak them won’t make a difference, or we have been lied to about what was there, and desperate democrats and their DNC operatives with bylines are doing damage control.

    That’s the real story here.

    I am with Trump. I hope whomever has Clinton’s emails shares them. Nothing shows you how disgusting these people you are defending really are. And yet, you find Trump more of a threat, because of some fiction your handlers have told you to pass along, than people that have proven they are not to be trusted and should be nowhere near the levers of power.

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