The British people have spoken…

To be honest with you, I doubted every poll that showed that Britian would choose to remain in the UE simply because of all the water carrying by the usual lefitst big government types, and now that the only poll that counts has been taken, the results back my suspicions. By a 52 to 48 margin, those that voted chose to pull out of the EU. As was expected, there are both financial, and political impacts, but my favorite one is that the fucking scumbags were, yet again, on the wrong side of history. I don’t have to point out that all the people that said the other guy was in thw wrong, will now have to eat some crow.

As others pointed out during some chats in comments in other threads, this might not be a great thing for the British people. After all, they could simply be trading an unaccountable corrupt and totally inept political aritocracy in Brussels for one locally, with not much changing, but then again, I think the EU has been the prime example of what is wrong with collectivism gone haywire, and thus, I am glad to see that institution crumble and fall. Basically I see the Brexit vote as the people finally rebelling against a disconnected and abusive political ideocracy that has turned their lives into a miserable thing while pretending to do them right. And I admit I am not surprised by it. The political leadership around the globe today is basically a bunch of criminal idiots and unlike politicians of the past, no longer offer any real service in return for being able to feed at the trough.

Hey, speaking of a revolt against the political class: where else are we seeing something like that? Keep that in mind whenever you hear how bad Trump’s numbers are. The political aristocracy and their lackeys in the media have a vested interest in convincing people that Trump is DOA. Take that for what it is worth.

UPDATE: Oh, oh….

Voters in France, Italy and the Netherlands are demanding their own votes on European Union membership and the euro, as the continent faces a “contagion” of referendums.

EU leaders fear a string of copycat polls could tear the organisation apart, as leaders come under pressure to emulate David Cameron and hold votes.

It came as German business leaders handed a considerable boost to the Leave campaign by saying it would be “very, very foolish” to deny the UK a free trade deal after Brexit.

Get out of it, then form a trade pact so you are not getting screwed by the crooks in Brussels sounds like a smart thing to me…

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  1. Hal_10000

    Well, there’s two years to negotiate.  I suspect, given the closeness of the vote, they will put together something like the EU with free trade but more sovereignty. Financial markets will recover once the initial panic wears off.

     doubted every poll that showed that Britian would choose to remain in the UE simply because of all the water carrying by the usual lefitst big government types

    Well, then you’re an idiot because the polls called this one correctly — consistently showing the polling close with an edge toward Leave.

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  2. Hal_10000

    One thing I’ll note: the President should already have been moving toward a UK/US common market just in case this happened (or even if it didn’t).  Obama dropped the ball on this one.  Big time.

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  3. richtaylor365

    I would not read too much into the notion that this was a Trump victory, that this vote to break away some how bodes well for Trump’s chances to win in November. The people of the UK got tired of Brussels taking away their hair driers and telling them what tea kettles they could and could not use, they wanted more say in who has control over their lives. Yes, it was a national over global referendum, but there was no real face to this movement, especially one as orange and haughty as Trump’s, it was a pure freedom and liberty play (including the freedom to decide for themselves what immigration polices best fits their needs).

    If Trump was just a concept (anti-establishment, take our country back, make America great again), then he would be more popular. But he is a man whose greatest weakness is that he gets in the way of his own message.

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  4. AlexInCT *

    Well, there’s two years to negotiate.

    Oh, I expect a lot of “we need another vote” to come about from the slap in the face to the marxist globalist mafia machine in Brussels. If they somehow manage to reverse this (which I doubt) then we suddenly will hear that no more voting should be allowed because the issue is now settled.

    One thing I’ll note: the President should already have been moving toward a UK/US common market just in case this happened (or even if it didn’t).  Obama dropped the ball on this one.  Big time.

    Obama is part of the cabal the Brexit voters showed their disdain for. Remember that his first reaction to the upcoming vote was to threaten Britain with dire consequences if they chose what the globalist cabal of marxist felt was wrong. I bet that whatever they decide to do now will actually have more of a punishment feel to it than a potential great agreement for our brothers from another mother.

    I would not read too much into the notion that this was a Trump victory, that this vote to break away some how bodes well for Trump’s chances to win in November.

    Rich, my point was that this Brexit vote has a lot of paralels with the situation here because, to me, it mirrots the discontent in the US with the political machine and the current media blitz to tell us that only possible result is the one they want. My point was that when the real voting happens I will absolutely not be surprised that the people telling us that Trump was dead will be dead wrong. That pro-EU blitz before the Brexit vote was not in line with the media stories that there polling showed a 4 to 1 shift favoring staying in the EU to me, and the resulting vote, shows that my suspicions were right.

    The media in the US no longer even pretends to be objective, so I take any polling they present to me as bullshit until I have been able to verify the sampling, questions, targeted people, and the agenda behind it.

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  5. ilovecress

    So here’s my take on it, and why I think that watching how things work over here might be instructive for you guys in November.

    This has been a huge shock – even to those people who voted leave. It looks like it’s even a pretty big shock to Farage and Boris.

    This was a campaign that swept to victory on a wave of white working class fury, Encouraging the communities that have been squeezed and squeezed by successive governments have been encouraged to give the middle finger to ‘the elites’. Promises of vague noble concepts like ‘sovereignty’ and ‘taking our country back’, the threat to the NHS, the immigration problem. They were led by a charismatic bloke they knew from a TV quiz show, who promotes himself as an anti establishment crusader (despite being an old Etonian and ex Mayor). The EU was presented as a solution to all these problems, and the ideal way to flick the Vs at the Camerons, Obamas, and the media, as they were abandoned by the left. They see the changes in their communities from Globalisation, and hear more funny accents in their towns, and connect those two dots.

    A lot of people who have been let down by the political elite for the past 30 years finally rose up to have their voices heard, and dealt a massive blow to those who have been making the decisions.

    The problem is, while Brexit was a great tool to rally these masses – it wasn’t actually a solution. In fact, it looks suspiciously like the plan wasn’t really to win at all. Looks like Boris is going to get the top job – but I’d wager that he’s waking up this morning wondering if he actually wants it. It looks like Scotland might want another vote – and they’d probably leave this time. Northern Ireland are making similar sounds. Farage just went on TV and admitted the campaign pledge to direct $350m a week to the NHS was a mistake. The Bank of England has has to spend $250m to stabilise the markets, and we’ve been overtaken by France as the worlds fifth largest economy.

    And the people are now beginning to ask what exactly this new version of immigration is going to look like, and if Adam Lallana, Raheem Sterling, Dele Alli and Harry Kane can all still play for the England football team. They’re going to ask why NHS waiting lists are so long (could it be the cuts Boris?), and why their laws are still being made by a bunch of dudes from Eton, and Lord Such and such, whose ‘dad was a bloody good chap during that skuffle with the Krauts.’

    52% of an angry population voted against something. But defeating an opponent, while delicious, is a fleeting feeling of superiority. The UK is waking up this morning, hungover, and taking a look for the first time at what they accidentally voted for.

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  6. CM

    Yep this was an emotional reaction. Apparently the regions with the biggest votes for Leave are the most economically dependant on the EU. But hey, at least this way those smelly Polish workers will have to leave now, right? That’s what The Daily Mail promised me.

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  7. Hal_10000

    52% of an angry population voted against something. But defeating an opponent, while delicious, is a fleeting feeling of superiority. The UK is waking up this morning, hungover, and taking a look for the first time at what they accidentally voted for.

    This is one of the reason I expect the next two years to see a retreat from that position and the attempt to recreate all-but-in-name EU.  Wether it will be on better or worse terms will be interesting.

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  8. richtaylor365

    Wow, what a bunch of sore losers. I get that the vote did not go your way but why so insulting? Obviously I had no dog in this fight but if I had a vote I would vote to leave, and seeing the reactions here of you guys that wanted another outcome re enforces in my mind that I was correct.

    You have Cress calling them angry, drunk when voting (hence the hangover), narcissistic (feeling superior) , superficial (voting by accident), and dense (not realizing what they had wrought). What a bunch of garbage.  CM calling them all closet racists, and Hal following up with his assent and a prediction that they will all see the error of their ways and come begging back to some other EU type agreement, naturally they can’t make it on their own, can they?

    Now I read that the idiot Mayor of London is just as butt hurt over the news and wants London to rejoin the EU.

    You think it just might be possible that those 52% really put some thought into their vote, was not drunk emotional or racist when deciding and genuinely believe that going their own way was better alternative then staying?

    Now the losers want a do-over.

    And Facebook is all a flutter over Brits promising to leave the UK (some even coming here, sorry but we don’t want sore losers) because the vote did not go their way. Pussies, every one of you.

    Elections have consequences, our dopey president keeps reminding us of that. Both in 2008 and 2012 I was gobbsmacked over the folly of my fellow Americans, electing an absolute zero, twice, for president. Such is life. Adults understand that sometimes things don’t go your way, you have to roll with adversity and adjust accordingly. But petulant children whine about the results if they don’t get their way, attack and demean their opponents, and look for any way legal or otherwise for a redo.

     

     

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  9. ilovecress

    I don’t think it’s really in dispute that there was anger. Even the leave spokespeople would admit that.

    As for the hangover thing – I really do think that no one expected Brexit to win. Not even Boris or Farage. Farage gave his pre written concession speech at about 10.30 for fecks sake. We wanted more sovereignty, but our next prime minister is going to be chosen directly by the Conservative party.

    If you wake up one morning with 10% of your money gone, and in bed with a scary looking blonde you didn’t intend to – sounds like a hangover to me.

    As for Hals assertion – he’s not saying they ‘won’t make it on their own’ – but some sort of european trade deal must be on the table. Unless we’re expecting every single business in the UK to negotiate their own deals with each separate country.

    Yes we’re sore losers. I personally think this is disastrous for the country I was born in, defended and love dearly. The minuscule amount of self rule that it brings is massively outweighed by the consequences. And not in a ‘it might be a little bit more right wing than I would like’ kind of way. In a ‘the United Kingdom might not exist in 3 years time’, kind of way.

    By the way – this is exactly what’s wrong:

    Obviously I had no dog in this fight but if I had a vote I would vote to leave, and seeing the reactions here of you guys that wanted another outcome re enforces in my mind that I was correct.

    I had assumed your vote to leave would have been based on weighing up the evidence and consequences of the decision. Why would the reactions of the other side change any of that?

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  10. CM

    Nice that Trump got another chance to illustrate how completely clueless he is with his comments in Scotland, which overwhelmingly voted to stay.

    My condolances Cress, it really is a clusterfuck of epic proportions. The rise of ignorant emotional nationalism in the West is really starting to have serious consequences. 1930s anyone?

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  11. richtaylor365

    As for Hals assertion – he’s not saying they ‘won’t make it on their own’ – but some sort of european trade deal must be on the table. Unless we’re expecting every single business in the UK to negotiate their own deals with each separate country.

    How about they do what every other country, not in the EU, does, they negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world from a position of whats best for them? Each business within that country do not have to negotiate separately, come on, your are just being silly.

    Yes we’re sore losers. I personally think this is disastrous for the country I was born in, defended and love dearly

    Now you know how I felt both in 2008 and 2012, I thought Obama would be disastrous for our country, and I was proven right. But the people decide, good outcome or bad, that is how it works.

     In a ‘the United Kingdom might not exist in 3 years time’, kind of way.

    Sure, it’s probably natural to turn into a Cassandra when elections don’t go your way, but I have read pieces from Brits who think this is the dawning of a new day, where a stronger better UK will emerge, why so gloomy?

    I had assumed your vote to leave would have been based on weighing up the evidence and consequences of the decision. Why would the reactions of the other side change any of that?

    My vote would have been an informed determined deliberate vote. But this was not a vote for a leader but a concept, naturally there would exist some doubt, even a little bit, that exists as to whether my vote was the right vote for the country. And if those that I felt ideologically opposed, voted differently, then yes, it would have re enforced in my mind that I did vote correctly. Nothing nefarious here, whether you would like to think so, or not.

     

     

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  12. AlexInCT *

    Nice that Trump got another chance to illustrate how completely clueless he is with his comments in Scotland, which overwhelmingly voted to stay.

    What did he do wrong? Point out that the Scott’s being big benefactors of EU largess obviously voted to keep the free shit train going? So far all the analysis I have seen basically points out that the people that produced and got it taken away voted overwhelmingly to leave, while those that just suck at the teat voted to stay, and I can’t say I am surprised.

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  13. ilovecress

    where a stronger better UK will emerge, why so gloomy?

    There’s a huge chance that Scotland will leave, meaning that the UK is no longer. England (well, London specifically) may emerge stronger, but it looks like the UK (in terms of the union between countries) is on shaky ground.

     But this was not a vote for a leader but a concept, 

    No No No No No! This is exactly what I am saying. You don’t ever vote for a concept, no matter how each side tries to frame it. It’s always a vote for a very specific thing(s). A lot of people voted for a concept – and a concept I agree with. It’s just that I’m not sure the specific things we ended up with were the ones the country wanted. For example a new leader in September.

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  14. richtaylor365

    Oh, look, another Brit weighs in;

    It’s like he is speaking directly to our resident race agitator…………..eerie.

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  15. CM

    Nope Alex, exact opposite. The subsidised regions voted to leave. Those who benefitted most from EU funding voted to leave. And it was the Leave campaign promising free shit, as cress has pointed out.

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