Chicago Chaos

So this happened:

Donald Trump’s campaign on Friday postponed a rally in Chicago amid fights between supporters and demonstrators, protests in the streets and concerns that the environment at the event was no longer safe.

The announcement, which came amid large protests both inside and outside the event at the University of Illinois at Chicago, follows heightened concerns about violence in general at the GOP front-runner’s rallies. Illinois holds its Republican primary on Tuesday.

Hundreds of demonstrators packed into an arena, breaking out into protest even before Trump had shown up. At least five sections in the arena were filled with protesters.

“Mr. Trump just arrived in Chicago, and after meeting with law enforcement, has determined that for the safety of all of the tens of thousands of people that have gathered in and around the arena, tonight’s rally will be postponed to another date,” the Trump campaign said in a statement. “Thank you very much for your attendance and please go in peace.”

Several fistfights between Trump supporters and protesters could be seen after the announcement, as a large contingent of Chicago police officers moved in to restore order.

Supporters of Trump still inside chanted “We want Trump” after the event was canceled. Protesters, meanwhile, shouted “We shut s*** down” and “We stumped Trump.” Others chanted “Bernie” as supporters whipped out Bernie Sanders campaign signs.

A few things to unspool here.

First, I don’t have a lot of respect for the protesters. I understand that they don’t like Trump; I don’t like Trump. But disrupting his campaign and then boasting about how you shut someone up is simple thuggishness. Unfortunately, it’s the kind of thuggishness we’ve come to expect from the Left these days, especially from those in college or recently graduated. It’s not enough to disagree; it’s not enough to speak against; the opposition must be silenced.

I want to be clear: Donald Trump’s First Amendment Rights were not violated. The First Amendment protects us from government censorship, not private condemnation or censorship. But the tendency … no, the need of the Left Wing to silence those they disagree with is appalling. It used to be that the Left was proud of letting the KKK or Nazis speak … actual KKK and Nazi people, not people they were calling Nazi because they couldn’t refute their arguments.

Had the protesters made their point in some way without shutting down a political rally, I’d be fine. The Chicago protests grew out of comments Trump has made about police officers being the most oppressed people in the country. Chicagoans — who recently saw a long-buried video of an officer shooting a suspect who was walking away and found out about a dark site where thousands of suspects were detained and brutalized — don’t exactly agree. But disrupting a rally to the point of cancellation doesn’t make that point; it distracts from it.

Moreover, this plays right into Trump’s hands. So much so that many on Twitter were joking that Trump probably paid the protesters to do this. Trump’s entire schtick is that the voices of the American people are being silenced by a know-it-all politically-correct elite who have decided, without any input from us, that certain speech and certain viewpoints are unacceptable. How does this change that narrative? It doesn’t; it reinforces it. It convinces the American people, more than ever, that the political elite don’t want to hear what we have to say.

(Trump understands this. The decision to cancel the rally was his. The Chicago PD has said they were confident they could have kept the rally under control.)

Now it is true that Trump’s rallies have been the site of pro-Trump violence. It is also true that Trump himself has encouraged violence and made excuses for it. Last week, one Trump supporter sucker-punched a protester. Trump almost defended the punch, claiming (falsely) that the protester was hitting people and flailing around. A few days ago, his Campaign Manager grabbed a reporter hard enough to leave bruises. Trump’s people are still pretending it didn’t happen, despite video, audio and witnesses supporting the reporter’s account. In short, Donald Trump complaining about violence impinging his right to free speech is like Hillary Clinton complaining about dishonesty in politics.

But the response to that is not to “bring more muscle” in the words of a certain recently fired Mizzou professor. The response is not to shout him down and stop him from speaking. The response is to show that you are better: that you will make your point while respecting his right to make his.

Unfortunately, that kind of mutual respect is no longer being taught to our young people. All that matters is “social justice”. Well, they might just “social justice” their way right into a Trump presidency.

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  1. AlexInCT

    Shit like this, the fact that the establishment hates the guy and he makes the left bat fucking shit crazy, is why I am changing my mind and would vote for this guy for president. Nobody but Hillary, or for that matter that bolshevik Sanders, can do worse than Obama has done so far, anyway.

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  2. repmom

    Sorry, Alex, but I find that attitude scary.

    Changing your mind? What? You didn’t like him before? You found someone else more qualified to lead our country? But now you have decided to go with Donald Trump just for the sake of “Fuck everything and everyone”?

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  3. ilovecress

    This may be a bit conspiracy theory-esque…. but it’s a really weird place to hold a Republican rally, let alone a Trump rally. It’s well documented (and whinged about) that Trump is pretty f*cking strict about who he does and doesn’t let into his rallies. It also looks like the decision was his and not the polices… maybe it is a play?

    Alex – can you expand on what you mean by ‘shit like this’? Protesting?

    ps – the left is begging for Trump to be the candidate. When it looked like you were going to go down the Rubio/Ryan route, that was getting worrying, because it’s harder to argue against policy positions.

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  4. CM

    Alex supports Trump. Trump says the protesters are destroying America. According to Hal everyone should just be quiet, the Republicans have this totally under control. Hal is coming back to the Party.

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  5. AlexInCT

    Changing your mind? What? You didn’t like him before? 

    No I was and remain ambivalent about him. I wanted Rand Paul, but didn’t get him because America no longer votes for smaller government. I was all prepared to not vote at all this election after he dropped out considering we would end up fucked regardless.

    But the angst Trump is causing, both to the left and the establishment, is making me rethink my stance on this now. Even if he is terrible as a president, he can’t be worse than Obama, and he certainly will be better than Hillary or Sanders, but most importantly, he might actually tear down the fucking DC establishment, and that is a big win IMO.

    Alex also recently wrote that Hillary would make Obama look good. He’s all over the place yet again.

    Reading comprehension has never been your strong suit dude. Or is it that your constant need to erect strawmen to make the argument you want to make, regardless of what the facts or reality may be, has so damaged your puny brain that you now can’t help but be pedantic and stupid?

    What is so hard to understand about Hillary making Obama look good? Just like Obama made Boosh look good, by being orders of magnitude worse and actually doing the evil shit Boosh was falsely accused of by people like you (who then conveniently ignored Obama doing his thing or even made excuses for him), Hillary will take the bad Obama has done, and do orders of magnitude worse. Sanders will also do the same.

    Do I have to type slower for you to get it?

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  6. AlexInCT

    Hey repmom, just in case it was not clear, that second piece and the commentary in it was directed at our resident clown and not at you. Maybe I should have done 2 separate responses to make that evident, and maybe I am worried about something I don’t need to, but I wanted to clarify that.

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  7. repmom

    Alex —

    Did sound like I was replying to that part, though, didn’t it? I wasn’t. Just meant that I understood your position.

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  8. ilovecress

    he might actually tear down the fucking DC establishment

    Serious question – it sounds like everyone agrees that this would be a good thing. I certainly think so – but I’m guessing that we’re not in agreement as to what actually needs to be done. I’d be interested to hear what you would like to see happen in terms of tearing down the establishment. (Whether it be Trump or whoever)

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  9. AlexInCT

    I’d be interested to hear what you would like to see happen in terms of tearing down the establishment. 

    The political machine dies. The system implodes and we start over with a government about 10% of the size of what we have now, and limited to what the constitution allows it to do. The gravy train that allows politicians to buy votes ends. The corporate world becomes unable to buy favor from a political aristocracy that prostitutes the people in lieu of corporate donations and perks for their buddies. But the most important thing, to me, is that government completely loses the ability to decide who wins and who loses, like they do today. The death of political correctness and the educational machine that has been breeding these snowflakes that believe they are owed because they were born, will be the icing on the cake.

    Like the Greeks discovered over 3000 years ago, democracy, even a republican form of it like our forefathers were bright enough to put in place to avoid the tyranny of a straight democracy, can not survive the usual dregs discovering that corrupt politicians will buy their votes with monies from the treasury and other assorted favors and boons. What is not sustainable can’t survive, and what the western world that brought so much prosperity and advancement to mankind has turned into, isn’t worthy of survival. Rome died because it became weak and utterly corrupted. So did the once mighty British Empire. Now it is happening to America (Europe is already done for and they can’t even see it). Lucky for me I am a straight guy, so Sharia will not fuck me over totally.

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  10. ilovecress

    The corporate world becomes unable to buy favor from a political aristocracy that prostitutes the people in lieu of corporate donations and perks for their buddies

    Sounds a bit like you’re feeling the Bern!! Seriously, that could be a direct quote from Kos. Strange times.

    Joking aside, I can see how Trump appeals as an ‘outsider’ – but he’s not talking about anything like the revolution you’re after. I’d argue that he’s less of an outsider, and more of a colluder.

     

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  11. AlexInCT

    Sounds a bit like you’re feeling the Bern!! Seriously, that could be a direct quote from Kos. Strange times.

    Actually, I am not and would never feel the Bern. Bernie wants to destroy the corporate world and replace it with government for everything. After all, he is nothing but a pissed off a loser that could not hold a real job or get with a real woman until his 40s when he got a government job of all things.

    Note that I don’t blame corporate America for our political aristocracy whoring the country out. When the system is so corrupt and broken that if you don’t pay homage to its masters you can’t participate, I can’t blame those in corporate America for playing along. Heck I can’t even blame them for playing the system. What I do despise is people that tell me the solution to the broken system is for me to believe that the very people that profit from it the most, and have the most interest in keeping it alive and well, actually mean to fix anything about it.

    In case you are having a hard time in particular figuring out the types I am talking about, it tends to be the same people that want to fix poverty, social injustice, racism, evil lenders, banks, the inequality caused by the reality of economics, and a slew of other things, but then deliver a lot more of the very problem they portend to want to fix. Why would these crooks ever fix any of these things and end up out of a job I ask you?

    Joking aside, I can see how Trump appeals as an ‘outsider’ – but he’s not talking about anything like the revolution you’re after

    If he causes enough damage to the DC machine I count it as a delay in the inevitable. Besides, the fact that he is so polarizing to the left, might actually be the most important ingredient in finally getting people to push back against the left and its campaign to destroy this country.

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  12. richtaylor365

     A few days ago, his Campaign Manager grabbed a reporter hard enough to leave bruises. Trump’s people are still pretending it didn’t happen, despite video, audio and witnesses supporting the reporter’s account.

    Can you provide us with some  video that backs up that claim? Everything I’ve seen proves nothing substantive. Michelle Fields has a history of making shit up (or at least making claims she can’t prove), like the time she claimed Allen West groped her, then later recanted, and when she claimed the police assaulted her at a OWS rally, with no proof that any assault took place.  But there is this;

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  13. ilovecress

    Bernie wants to destroy the corporate world and replace it with government for everything

    I was talking specifically about the money out of politics thing.

    Note that I don’t blame corporate America for our political aristocracy whoring the country out. When the system is so corrupt and broken that if you don’t pay homage to its masters you can’t participate, I can’t blame those in corporate America for playing along. Heck I can’t even blame them for playing the system.

    Totally agree. In fact they’re legally required to do so on behalf of their shareholders. And I have worked doing this exact thing.

    Why would these crooks ever fix any of these things and end up out of a job I ask you?

    That would be why none of them are looking to take on the money in politics issue. Except one, I guess. #feelthebern :-)

    If he causes enough damage to the DC machine I count it as a delay in the inevitable

    Exactly how is he going to damage the DC machine? Just because people are pissed off? He’s not actually proposing to change anything about the machine.

     

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  14. Starving Writer

    One thing I’ve repeatedly stated is that the only reason Big Business is so heavily involved in government is because it’s Big Government.  The problem isn’t Big Business, it’s Big Government.  Make the government radically smaller, and all of a sudden there’s no need for Big Business to get involved in politics or government.

     

    A major reason why I’m not “feeling the Bern” is because, although Bernie is right about the problem, he is so wrong about the solution.  His solution, which is to massively expand government so that it controls everything that Big Business typically does, will only encourage Big Business to become even more intertwined with Big Government.

     

    But of course, his supporters don’t care, because MOAR FREE STUFF!

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  15. Hal_10000 *

    Can you provide us with some  video that backs up that claim? Everything I’ve seen proves nothing substantive.

    Yes, I will believe that half second of video with no audio and a bunch of typed up bullshit over actual video  that clearly shows the campaign manager reaching for her and the audio synched with video  that shows the same thing plus witnesses.  But yeah, it’s all a conspiracy.

    The political machine dies. The system implodes and we start over with a government about 10% of the size of what we have now, and limited to what the constitution allows it to do. The gravy train that allows politicians to buy votes ends. 

    And while we’re wishing, I’d also like a pony, a toy rocket and a clockwork train.   If you think any politician is going to deliver that, let alone Trump, you’re a fool.  Trump has not identified a single government program he will cut.  In fact, he’s promised to vote against cuts to entitlements, expand the military and engage in massive spending to build this wall and expel 11 million illegals.  Trump has been a big government guy for thirty years, he has supported big government politicians and is running on a big-government platform. What in God’s name makes you think he’ll tear down the establishment?

    And how do we get to a government 10% of its current size?  You going to abolish Social Security and Medicare?  You going to cut our military?  You going to throw veterans out in the cold?  Because that’s 75% of what our government spends right there in those four programs.  10% wouldn’t even cover half our current military budget.

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  16. Hal_10000 *

    A major reason why I’m not “feeling the Bern” is because, although Bernie is right about the problem, he is so wrong about the solution.  His solution, which is to massively expand government so that it controls everything that Big Business typically does, will only encourage Big Business to become even more intertwined with Big Government.

    Exactly this.  Sanders wants free education and free healthcare.  That will double the number of lobbyists in Washington.  As I noted earlier, his constituents are not going to take the kind of federal control of higher education that would be needed for “free” college to work.

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  17. AlexInCT

    I was talking specifically about the money out of politics thing.

    Ah, but the truth is that Bernie – like every other democrat -doesn’t want money out of politics: what they want (or at least used to claim they wanted) was corporate money out of politics. Unions and other democrat heavy donors would be given a pass. I wouldn’t be surprised if they would be willing to compromise and even let in some corporate money, as long as it goes to the right people and causes (i.e. democrats). You see what they are really doing there right? These people being called scum is an injustice to scum.

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  18. AlexInCT

    Exactly how is he going to damage the DC machine? Just because people are pissed off? He’s not actually proposing to change anything about the machine.

    That’s actually very clever of him. Obama is in the WH because he never shared specifics. I have a feeling that had Obama told people what he really meant when he promised “fundamental change” or “the most ethical administration evah!”, that he would have been tarred and feathered. Trump is a pompous ass, but he ain’t stupid, and he is borrowing that page from the Obama playbook to the chagrin of the lefties.

    Also, someone with an ego as big as Trump is bound to eventually clash with and go after such institution as the NEA, the DOJ, or the IRS, and if he can tear any of them down, I think Americans will have scored a victory. I can’t wait for him to start firing people, I heard he had a TV show that he did that on, and I am looking forward to having it go national.

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  19. ilovecress

    Make the government radically smaller, and all of a sudden there’s no need for Big Business to get involved in politics or government.

    I’m not sure that’s necessarily true. I think the two work in concert. Put it this way – Big Business loves regulation – just not of their particular business. They want the Government to pick winners and losers – as long as they pick their business as a winner. Manufacturing companies want the road to their distribution centres to be a priority for Government, but the freight companies want it to go to rail. Pharma company A wants the approval process for Pharma company B’s drug to take a little bit longer than usual. A lot of lobbying is about lobbying against a competitor. If the Government is small, it’s in Business interests to make it bigger. Just in the ways they want to make it bigger. Don’t regulate me, but regulate my competition.

    Trump is a pompous ass, but he ain’t stupid, and he is borrowing that page from the Obama playbook to the chagrin of the lefties.

     

    Ah, ok. It’s like his secret plan to defeat ISIS. I can’t wait to find out what he’ll do when he becomes president – it’s much more interesting than voting for someone based on actual knowledge of their policy positions!

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  20. CM

    Ah, ok. It’s like his secret plan to defeat ISIS. I can’t wait to find out what he’ll do when he becomes president – it’s much more interesting than voting for someone based on actual knowledge of their policy positions!

    Yes apparently that’s ok now….because IRONY.

    Trump is shit but he’s still better than ‘the other/guy’ so he’ll do. But, at the same time, ALL liberals suck Obama’s cock the entire time. Brilliant.

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