The Donald’s Imagination

The longer this goes on, the more I think that Donald Trump’s candidacy is designed specifically to wreck the Republican Party and get Hillary elected. Either that, or this is a big publicity game to him. Either way, I’m rapidly losing patience with it.

This week, fresh off saying that we should be surveilling mosques and maintaining a database on Muslims, Donald Trump made the assertion — one he has since repeated — that thousands of American Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the fall of the Twin Towers.

First things first. This claim is totally false. The Trumpeteers have fixated on a paragraph from an old WaPo story that described the FBI investigating reports of people celebrating 9/11. But nothing came of that and there certainly weren’t thousands of people dancing in the streets. And it certainly wasn’t on television. You can read Kessler’s long article where he responds to various conspiracy theorists and Trumpeteers claiming that no, this totally happened. But it didn’t. Had Americans been celebrating 9/11, it would have been front page news, not buried in some obscure MTV broadcast or the 15th paragraph of a WaPo story or whispered by someone who knows someone who saw it. The objections are rapidly settling into “no Jews were in the Twin Towers” territory.

But … that’s really beside the point. The point of Trump’s statement is not whether American Muslims celebrated 9/11 or not. The point is that Trump, since the Paris attacks, has been blowing a dog whistle.

Let’s take a step back…

In the 1960 Presidential race, John F. Kennedy was only the second Catholic to ever run for President and the first to be elected. During the campaign and after his election, there were people who openly said that being Catholic meant his loyalty was to the Vatican, not to the United States (this for a man who fought in World War II and acted with genuine valor when his torpedo boat was sunk). Numerous religious organizations opposed Kennedy for this reason and it probably cost him hundreds of thousands of votes. Nixon, to his credit, decided to leave the religious issue alone. But it was garbage. Catholics have long proven to be just as loyal to the United States as anyone else.

As a Jew, I grew up having my loyalty to the United States questioned. Jews, I was told, were loyal to Israel not the United States. People told me this to my face. People said this about my family (which included my father, an Air Force Colonel who stayed in the reserves until they tore the uniform off his back). This clamor grew loudest when the traitor Jonathan Pollard was caught. But it was still garbage.

Similar but less intense bigotry surfaced in 2008 when Mitt Romney looked like he might become the first Mormon presidential candidate. His loyalty wasn’t questioned, but people openly mocked his religion and questioned his sanity regarding the so-called “magic underwear”. Thankfully, by 2012, this has calmed down. But there were decades when Mormons were seen as “the other”, a crazy cult that would do God-knows-what if they ever got power.

Donald Trump is simply continuing this long and disgraceful legacy of questioning the loyalty of a religious minority. This isn’t about facts; it’s about saying, over and over again, that Muslims are fundamentally disloyal to the United States and can’t be trusted. In doing so, he is wading directly into racially charged waters and appealing to a very ugly element of our society. This manifested over the weekend when he retweeted bogus and racist crime stats sent to him by an admitted neoNazi.

It was not American Muslims who attacked us on 9/11 (in fact, a few dozen Muslims died when the towers fell). It was not an American Muslim who tried to detonate a bomb in his shoe or in his underwear. It was an American Muslims who definitively proved that Al-Qaeda has caused 9/11. And we have seen thousands of Muslims serve our country with honor and many die fighting the War on Terror.

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Now, it was an American Muslim who murdered 13 people at Fort Hood. It was an American Muslims who tried to bomb Times Square (and it was also one who alerted the police to the danger). There’s certainly a case to be made for keeping an eye on radicals. But over the past 25 years, we have lost way more people to crazed “right wing” terrorists (Oklahoma City) or white supremacists (Charleston) or our own damned government (Waco) than we have to American Muslims.

As I noted in a previous post, George W. Bush was very careful, after 9/11, to walk the line of denouncing extremism while not casting aspersions upon American Muslims. It was walking that narrow line that allowed him to be as effective as he was in destroying radical terrorists. It’s a pity to see the Republican front-runner abandon this. Because, in the end, it’s not only bad for the War on Terror, it’s bad for the Republican Party. People won’t forget that, at a tense time, Donald Trump was perfectly willing to play to bigotry and prejudice.

But … if his goal is to pave the way for Clinton, it suddenly all makes sense, doesn’t it?

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  1. Section8

    The Republican Party is already wrecked, based in no small part to that of the RINOs and Democrat Lites which you support. As for your faux concern over Hillary winning, I’m not sure what your concern is unless you think Trump is causing more people to vote for Hillary and not Sanders who you “secretly” want to win just like you “secretly” wanted Obama to win.

    Here’s the deal. Bullshitters, like you, have played the same game for years. Oh I’m a conservative, I’ll talk conservative, but in practice anything outside of the battle over fabric vs plastic bags, I’m all about preservation of the left, and pretend battles from the right. You and your like minded ilk have no more credibility. You’re washed up, done, finished and laughable. It’s EXACTLY because of this that the Trumps of the world now have a wide berth in what they say. Basically even with his wacky ass comments, he’s still more credible than bullshitters like you. Plain and simple.

    “As I noted in a previous post, George W. Bush was very careful, after 9/11, to walk the line of denouncing extremism while not casting aspersions upon American Muslims.”

    You’ve made the statement on more than one occasion that Bush started two, count ‘em two wars. Not that al qaeda started the first  war, but Bush.

    As for the Muslims, limited entry. There are plenty of Muslim states out there where they can migrate to. The culture here is western Judeo Christian, and ought to stay that way. This comes from me, a guy who is agnostic and does not follow religion, but I for one second will not be ashamed of the dominant culture here. To those who don’t like it, don’t come, or better if the white grandstander living here doesn’t like it, feel free to move somewhere else to another culture and share your awesome whiteness with the cultures there. That simple.

    “But over the past 25 years, we have lost way more people to crazed “right wing” terrorists (Oklahoma City) or white supremacists (Charleston) or our own damned government (Waco) than we have to American Muslims.”

    As for the “white supremacists”, toe that leftist bullshit line. Tell me where all these groups are, where they gave the Charleston shooter refuge? Go ahead. Shit, whites are too chickenshit to even point out the interracial crime rate as a glaring problem as though we somehow deserve the disproportionate number of rapes and murders.

    Anyhow, where’s the stats bullshitter other than conveniently adding “American” in front of the Muslim part so that they somehow have to be full citizens for the stats to count? 3000K plus on 9/11. OK City not even close, and no conservative gave a shit about what happened to the assholes that did the bombing in OK. In fact, we were pushing for max punishment. Not to mention the Muslims who attacked were let in by the government under the rules of immigration, a fact you seem to want to conveniently discount.

    So in true fashion, only a few weeks ago you’re ripping on colleges for their PC madness, but today using the same leftist talking points you pretend are ridiculous. Jesus, are there two people that post as Hal?

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  2. Section8

    What is your point? My points were the following:

    Your concern about the GOP is bullshit, and you’ve shown nothing to discount that.

    You have claimed Bush started two wars. You want to dispute that?

    Fact is the interracial crime is way out of proportion for the population.

    See Page 73 and 74

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf

    http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus/previous/cvus42.pdf

    But it’s more fashionable just to support the BLM movement no matter what they do, and cops are out to get ‘em all. Until ALL cards are put on the table, I call bullshit in just focusing on what is designer at the moment. Of course you’ll say we should just ignore this right, find the most ridiculous tweet, which it was, and then just ignore the whole argument altogether and call it racist. Is that correct?

    My main point, however, is you’re a bullshitter, have been a bullshitter, and now has less credibility than a Trump. I’m glad we both agree.

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  3. richtaylor365

    Donald Trump is simply continuing this long and disgraceful legacy of questioning the loyalty of a religious minority.

    Where to begin? Is your beef that Trump got the numbers wrong or are you denying that some American Muslims were in fact celebrating the 9-11 attacks? Clearly some were.

     it’s about saying, over and over again, that Muslims are fundamentally disloyal to the United States and can’t be trusted.

     

    That is not what I heard, are you referring to another clip, please provide that.

    Your examples of religious bigotry don’t really apply here, last time I checked Catholics and Jews were not waging global jihad, like ever. Nor is the practice of jihad condoned or encouraged in their bibles.

     we have lost way more people to crazed “right wing” terrorists (Oklahoma City)

    {in my best Reagan voice} There you go again. Your posts always start off somewhat rational and sane, then out of the blue you parrot leftest nonsense, unproven leftest nonsense, which taints the entire work. I guess I have to ask what your definition of “right wing” is because it certainly does not apply to McVeigh. Does being pissed off at the actions of an overreaching government (McVeigh’s motivation) make you a right winger? An FBI investigation found zero evidence that he was part of any militia, but there did exist a connection between Nichols and Islamic terrorists in the Philippines.

    You pulled that same crap in a recent post mentioning the Crusades as somehow implicating Christians in some  past sins, maybe you should read up on what really happened.

    And regarding keeping track of those we allow in, might be a good idea.

    Hillary seemed to think so back in the 2008 campaign, but nobody pays attention to what she says.

     

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  4. Hal_10000 *

     Your posts always start off somewhat rational and sane, then out of the blue you parrot leftest nonsense, unproven leftest nonsense, which taints the entire work. I guess I have to ask what your definition of “right wing” is because it certainly does not apply to McVeigh.

    That’s why I put “right wing” in quotes.  McVeigh’s philosophy, if you can call it that, was a twisted version of the right wing, one that not only saw big government as a problem, but went further than that into thinking murdering innocents was justified.  I don’t know what you’d call it other than “right wing”, with the quote marks.  And it was used, if you remember, to try to discredit conservatism (Clinton practically blamed the bombing on talk radio).

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  5. WVRSpence

    If Trump has gotten as far as he has it’s because the GOP establishment has thrown its money behind Jeb. It’s like they’re the ones who want to lose to Hillary.

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  6. richtaylor365

     I don’t know what you’d call it other than “right wing”, with the quote marks.

    McVeigh was not against big government, but against unwanted government intrusion into the lives of it’s citizens. Certainly “left wingers” could hold similar views, such as those not in favor of the government spying on it’s citizens, is that view right wing? Hardly. But you latching on to the “right wing” moniker with McVeigh essentially validates the idiocy of the left in how they (wrongly) label actions that really defy ideology.

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  7. CM

    “It was walking that narrow line that allowed him to be as effective as he was in destroying radical terrorists.” That is just a ridiculous claim. He invaded Iraq for no good reason, despite advice to the contrary, based on lies and half-truths, and created a whole new generation of radical terrorists (and people willing to act for them), and squandered goodwill across the globe. He and Blair were a radical recruiters wet-dream. What planet are you living on?

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  8. AlexInCT

    Seriously, is nobody here intelligent enough to see that Trumps appeal is the fact that he refuses to bow to the left’s media sponsored and controlled PC screening process, and that every time they say they have surely got him now, he basically tells them to fuck off and die?

    I can’t stand the guy. He is a pompous ass. But the fact that he refuses to let the usual whiny cunts in the DNC controlled media set the discussion in the favor of the corrupt and evil fucking democrats, and not only doesn’t go down in flames, but thrives whenever they attack him, is a huge plus.

    There is a lesson here; tell the left and their agents in the LSM to fuck off and die whenever they get all holier-than-thou and attempt you because you crosses some artificial line they created but never call their own people on.

    BTW, we can keep saying we are not at war with Islam, but they sure are at war with us.

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  9. AlexInCT

    Trump and Carson, record liars and leading candidates.

    This from the cunt that tells us we should otherwise supports criminals and liars? Shit CM you are too fucking funny.

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  10. Hal_10000 *

    Alex, I think you hit Trump’s appeal exactly.  Ted Frank made another good point the other night. Trump’s been saying some things that are straight fiction. But the media has destroyed their credibility by constantly calling Republicans “lairs” over things that are matters of opinion (e.g., Politifact having to call Obama’s “you can keep your healthcare” a lie after blasting Republicans for saying it).  They have no credibility left.  No one believes them.  And they’ve gotten so far up their asses getting offended by everything, no one wants to hear that anymore either.

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