Trump’s Fence

I have been spending the last few days going back and forth with some Trump supporters over on another right leaning site. I keep asking for some qualifications or at least some positions beyond the fact that he is not a politician, has his own money thus eliminates the need to whore himself out, and does not give a damn what people think of him. Yes, I like all of those, but is there anything else in that suit of his? I keep listening to interviews (the latest on Sunday with Chris Wallace) but somehow answering various policy questions with ,”I want to be unpredictable” dazzles the believers as astute, compelling and insightful. They remind me of those 2008 Obama rallies where the teenage girls would get all wet in the loins from his mere appearance. Damn the qualification, I’m in love, leave me alone.

One of Trump’s biggest attention grabbers was his fence and how he was going to get Mexico to pay for it. Illegal immigration is a huge problem, but a fence is only part of the solution. Make no mistake, fences do work;

Hungary said Monday its shutdown of the border with Croatia had put a stop to the influx of migrants and refugees.

Only 41 people crossed into the EU member state on Sunday, the government said.

“The border closure is working, it has effectively stopped illegal border-crossing,” government spokesman Zoltan Kovacs told reporters in Nagykanizsa, close to the Croatian border.

“The Hungarian government is determined to keep the measures in place as long as is needed,” he said.

“We are continuously monitoring the situation at the Slovenian, Croatian and Serbian borders, and are ready to react to any situation which might develop.”

The figure of 41 represents a new daily record low in 2015 for Hungary, which witnessed up to 10,000 people stream across its borders daily since the summer.

In a bid to stem the influx, Hungary sealed its Croatian border with a razor-wire fence early Saturday, barely a month after it shut its frontier with Serbia.

Given the influx of Obama refuges over running Europe, this was a wise move. But here’s the deal, given that the Mexican/US border is about 2000 miles, is it really possible to have this kind of success and reduction in illegal border crossers with a fence that long?

Building an impregnable wall along the border would cost about $20 billion. That is over half of the entire 2015 DHS budget, $38.2 billion. Doable, but is it prudent? The initial cost does not include maintenance. Cameras, drones, beefed up border patrol, all part of the pie. But even that, if I believed it would shut down the illegal border crossings to a trickle, even then I might consider it doing it. Now factor in the millions (pick your number) of illegals already here, and the ridiculous interpretation of the 14 Amendment that gave us anchor babies, no matter what we do, when we zig, they will zag.

But back to Trump. I want him to want this job as much as Hillary does, to put in the hours of preparation that she is putting in, to learn about how the political world works and understand that being a CEO, where you can get your way just by stomping your feet, does not prepare you for the presidency, where the separation of powers makes foot stomping pretty ineffective.

An interesting article in Barron’s this week recounts how several years ago a low level analyst wrote a report describing how one of Trumps properties was poorly funded and poorly run, giving it a “sell” recommendation with a possible bankruptcy in it’s future. Trump went after him personally, ruining his reputation and getting him fired, all for doing his job as an analyst. Turns out the guy was right, Trump did bankrupt the property (1 of his 4 bankruptcies over the years), and analyst had the last laugh suing Trump, which they settled out of court. We already have a petulant thin skinned crybaby in the White House, do we really want another one?

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  1. Xetrov

    I want him to want this job as much as Hillary does

     

    You want him to be willing to break the law, and lie about it repeatedly to get the office?

    We need a President who does not want to be President, backwards as that sounds.  Anyone who is the type of person that aspires to the office (or federal political office in general) these days, is not someone we need in the Oval Office.

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  2. richtaylor365 *

    See, this is what happens when you debate Trump supporters, they go from sanity to absurdity in a nano second and check their brain at the door. Yes, Xetrov, I want him to lie and break the law (which Hillary was doing long before her presidential aspirations, but don’t let that stop you). How could you possibly get that out of the sentence that I wrote?

    We need a President who does not want to be President

    Then  you better forget about Trump, because given all the public appearances and TV interviews, he really really wants to be president.

     

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  3. trade_pro

    Who is the only candidate who is absolutely against amnesty?

    I agree the wall is stupid and a waste.

    First, make E-verify work correctly.  If the system is not working correctly there will be punishment, financially and/or possibly jail time.  Maybe need to hire a private company to run it?

    Second, anyone hiring an individual will need to use E-Verify, including homeowners hiring a handy-man.

    Third, if you hire an illegal, the fine is $1 million or 1% of your yearly income per occurrence, whichever is larger.  If you hired an illegal but used E-Verify, obviously no fine and whoever is doing E-Verify will be dealt with.

    Fourth, if you are working on a visa and overstay, the company you are working for is fined $1 million per occurrence or 1% of your yearly income.  This will give HR something to do.

    No jobs = No illegals

    It’s funny but money is a great motivator; especially the loss of it. Even with large fines companies might still test the water.  That might happen once…like after Tyson Foods hired about 230 illegals in Minnesota.  They can watch as they are personally bankrupt and their company is sold to the highest bidder.

    Any fines or auction proceeds go directly to the US Debt.

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  4. Xetrov

    See, this is what happens when you debate Trump supporters, they go from sanity to absurdity in a nano second and check their brain at the door. 

    See, this is what happens when you assume I’m a Trump supporter, you jump to idiotic conclusions about my motives/point.

    How could you possibly get that out of the sentence that I wrote?

    How could you possibly get that I’m a Trump supporter out of ANYTHING I wrote?  I simply identified exactly how far Clinton is willing to go to gain the Presidency, and that we DON’T need someone willing to go that far.

    I never said or even alluded to being a Trump supporter.  In this case, you just made an ass out of yourself though, not me.

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  5. richtaylor365 *

    See, this is what happens when you assume I’m a Trump supporter, you jump to idiotic conclusions about my motives/point.

    And what is your point? That you can’t understand simple English, that you parse sentences just like progressives,leaving shit out to suit your crazy innuendos, or you really are a closet Trump supporter who is too embarrassed when called out on it? But yeah, I meant that he should lie and break the law………sheesh!!

      I simply identified exactly how far Clinton is willing to go to gain the Presidency, and that we DON’T need someone willing to go that far.

    And where exactly did I say that Trump was willing to “go that far”? What was even the point comparing Clinton’s ability to lie and break the law with what I actually wrote?

     In this case, you just made an ass out of yourself though, not me.

    No, you made an an ass out of yourself by parsing my sentence. Honestly, Xetrov, what has gotten  into you?

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  6. Rick Macherat

    I am completely convinced that the Trump Presidential campaign is nothing but an ultimate ego antic. He would never want to be President; it’s a job! He is playing a game he can easily afford to play. I would so want to see Jeb or one of the other realistic candidates call him out in no uncertain terms: Don’t be misled by this man. For all we know, he is filming the whole thing for a reality television show. You know him very well by now; do you really think he wants to become President of the United States? The work, the schedule, the crises, the responsibility, the criticism? Will he wear the red cap to address the UN when there isn’t time for the daily hair reconstruction? Speaking of .. what’s he going to do when Putin makes fun of his hair, which he will? Nuke him? Our campaign is done with the nonsense. No more from us.

    Do it Jeb. Do it Carly!

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  7. Xetrov

    Honestly, Xetrov, what has gotten  into you?

    Apparently, my support for Trump.

    Listen here, Dickcheese.  I wasn’t disagreeing with you.  It was a sarcastic remark about just how far Clinton is willing to go, and how we really don’t want to support someone else willing to go that far.  Sorry you missed it and jumped to the asinine conclusion that I’m a Trump supporter (closet or otherwise).

    No wonder this place is all but dead.

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  8. richtaylor365 *

    Ah, now we are in to name calling, classy. You were one of the few adults here, cross you off the list.

     It was a sarcastic remark about just how far Clinton is willing to go

    But it was meaningless because, as already established, she was doing that way before her presidential aspirations, so why the lazy comment?

     how we really don’t want to support someone else willing to go that far.

    Another meaningless wasted comment, where was it put forth that Trump was ,”willing to go that far”?

    No wonder this place is all but dead.

    No help from you. Despite lobbying to become a contributing editor we have gotten bupkiss from you. Maybe just as well, your comments lately have been pedestrian at best.

     

     

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  9. repmom

    “I am completely convinced that the Trump Presidential Campaign is nothing but an ultimate ego antic.”

    I agree with Rick on that. I am so sick of seeing this man every single night on Fox News telling us what a wonderful, fantastic, amazing man he is. I don’t recall a Republican candidate in the past I have ever so despised.

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  10. ilovecress

    Second, anyone hiring an individual will need to use E-Verify, including homeowners hiring a handy-man.

    But… regulations!! But seriously, who is going to propose solving the problem by regulating businesses more? An unpopular solution to a populist problem. Solving the problem at the business end is going to hit the bottom line in the same way a minimum wage would.

    As for Trump – I think it may have started as an ego thing, but it’s surprised even him how well its gone. My guess is that he’s going full tilt for the presidential nomination, even knowing that he probably won’t get it. That way, he gets a way more luctrative, easier, more ego centric job:

    Professional opposition to the president.

    Think about it – with the momentum he’s got, and the support he’s enjoying, he’s setting himself up for a lucrative career taking pot shots at whoever is in power, making speeches and drawing crowds – without actually having to deliver anything, or work with any party mechanics. He can just become a professional political troll – against all sides. Very very lucrative – and actually quite powerful.

    You may have a situation where a Republican (or Democrat) president needs Trump’s support on some piece of policy – even though he’s not been elected to a damn thing. You think Jeb is going to be able to do anything on Immigration without a Trump ok? And what’s that going to cost? Foreign policy?

    And we know he’s in the same place with the Clintons…..

    An unelected kingmaker. Ulp.

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  11. repmom

    “I have more intelligent discussions with my 7 seven year old.”

    And yet you had no problem with your comment on Iconocast, which led to the subsequent comments. Just finding myself wondering why you didn’t add something more substantiial to the discussion.

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  12. CM

    Perhaps because you finally found your intellectual equal :)

    Not bad. ;-)

    I look forward to your next ‘libtards are tards’ discussion starter.

    And yet you had no problem with your comment on Iconocast, which led to the subsequent comments. Just finding myself wondering why you didn’t add something more substantiial to the discussion.

    Nice try, but I was very obviously responding to the trolling post directed at me.

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