It Is What It Is

Two months ago I wrote a series of posts in an attempt to resuscitate what I believed was a dying blog. “Collaboration Is Needed’, “Suggestion Box”, and “Entering Hard Hat Area” were all written to provide the impetus for some needed change, change that would give us more eyeballs and make us more relevant. Aside from the structural problems of posting, we needed a fresh face, more updated features to attract new commenters , but most of all we needed a path by which new members could sign up and join the community. Many of the regulars provided what I thought were some really good ideas, workable stuff that would make us more vibrant.

Some movement did happen. We got JimK to surface, to voice his apathy with the blog and his desire to abdicate and turn the car keys over to someone else. Thrill stepped up and volunteered to handle admin duties. I thought this was fortuitous since he has experience at blog running and a desire to improve the blog. Both Alex and Hal also stepped up, saying they would collaborate and share admin duties. That was indeed a time of optimism, a time where I thought we were on our way to being part of something that, well, we could really be proud of.

Knowing Rome was not built in a day and that you have to walk before you can run, I expected fits and starts, some wheel spinning. We even had one day where the site went down entirely, still not sure what happened there.

So where are we now, two months later? JimK never got back to Thrill and updated his “admin” status, so he is basically still flapping in the wind. And it appears that the other admin guys are happy with the status quo, despite all the changes we had talked about, some new buttons or features on the home page,some easier functionality on posting comments, and the fact that still no new members can sign up.

In different posts through out the years I have often said ,”You get the government you deserve”, as one explanation for our convoluted chaotic government and the typical low information voter that facilitates their power grab. You also get the blog you deserve. If everyone is happy with the status quo, the one or two posts every other day with less than a handful of comments, well, that is what we have now. I think we can do better but am also reminded of that idiom of pissing in to the wind.

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  1. evanshrugged

    I’m a total lurker. Read and love every post, but I’m not much of a community guy. I do appreciate the time all of you put into the blog though. I can only imagine the time and thought that are put into each piece.

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  2. Seattle Outcast

    It still seems that we are a day late & a dollar short on postings.  And the crowd is missing, nobody seems punched about anything – perhaps that’s because after 6 years of Obama ass-fucking the country and wiping up with the constitution, we’re getting a plate full of the scandal-ridden Clinton machine pushed at us as a replacement and we’re just apathetic at this point.

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  3. blameme

    It could be that we have threads where the arguments boil down to what the word “seems” means and goes for days/weeks at that level.

    We have a couple of bad posters (of which I am sure to be one) and authors. I’ll read Hal, Thrill and Rich. I skip reading comments as it always boils down to shouting matches and pedantic bs. I would think the admins of the site would shut that crap down, as it really bleeds over to the rest of the blog. It just seems like a chore to comment (not technically – but due to the schoolyard level of back and forth we have).

    There appears to be little, if any, respect or trust between the opposing sides we have here – which again means each post is ruined usually within the first handful of comments.

    Sorry to sound negative – I had basically decided to never post again (not that a tear will be shed for that), but there are some folks here I respect and I hate to see their efforts continuously be undermined.

    It would seem to me a good plan would be to dump this site, start over and contact all the current posters that have valid logins and email addresses of the “new” site that a few of our better authors could start.

    Admin issues would go away at the very least, and possibly a new and fresh start would get rid of some of the BS being put up with today.

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  4. blameme

    You do fine Xetrov. I don’t want to be too bold because it isn’t “my” site, but there are some that really do nothing but shout and scream.

    I’ve really come to the point that keeping RTFTLC is holding us back. I hate to say that and mean no disrespect – but heck, even Jim doesn’t want anything to do with it. And, didn’t tell anyone, just flat out disappeared.

    There are new and better platforms with better admin controls and user interfaces. Call it the “RTFTLC Part Deaux” or something and get on with it.

    Allow free flow of ideas and content, but also better manage the pissing matches so this “new” site doesn’t get bogged down like this one has.

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  5. richtaylor365 *

    I don’t think we need to torch this place and start over. Yes, the site has been neglected far too long and needs a fresh coat of paint. But an even bigger problem is the size of the community. In it’s heyday this site rocked because of all the smart people that participated. Sure, interesting provocative posts got the ball rolling, but it was commenters  that made the site, bringing diverse/educated points of view  to the town square for all to consider. This is what makes a blog readable.

    There is ton of stuff out there to bat around; The Ft. Hood victims finally getting their Purple Hearts (but still can’t get wartime injury benefits, f*cking Obama), those San Bernadino deputies beating the crap out of the horse thief (fire every one of those punks) Iran’s Supreme Leader calling Obama a liar and agreeing to nothing in this faux nuclear deal, Hillary taking money from the Saudi’s and Qatar while SofS and how her so called charity spends less than 10% of it’s money on actual charitable causes (I guess the rest Bill uses for lap dances), hell, even this, a new study reveals that grill cheese sandwich eaters have more sex, lots of stuff going. But posts on any of these fall flat if the community is not willing to pick it up and run with it.

    As far as pissing matches, yes, I wish they would take it outside, but the best remedy is to just ignore it and don’t read the drivel.

    Another advantage of getting the new registration fixed, someone that actually knows WordPress might sign up and help with the renovation.

     

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  6. Santino

    I’m in the same boat as evanshrugged.  I do read the blog every day, and fully appreciate all involved in the conversations.  I see a lot of intelligent discussions, and I especially like the fact that the authors consistently have different points of view.

    I certainly don’t enjoy how some of the threads devolve into sentence by sentence fisking, and can see how that would turn people off.  However, I do see the benefit of having CM and Iconoclast participating.

    Personally, I’m happy as long as this blog is still alive!

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  7. HARLEY

    It is really sad how things have gone downhill here. I myself, have not participated, mainly do to my own laziness.

    Back, “in the day” Lee had some awesome witty posts, that just  lit things up, im not knocking the authors, but  the energy level here was a lot higher.

     

    Some of my lack of  interaction here, is jsut  some level of burn out, or just my total apathy i have anymore after 6 years of this man  a president, scandals and the total lack or media response to any of them.., Bah..

    Watch how the Media attack dogs are latching on Rand Paul, over such little shit,m then ignoring massive clucterfucks that O has committed………..

    makes ya want to do the Head-Desk thing over and over…

    ….so, what ya’ll got?

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  8. AlexInCT

    I think some of the posters have made the important point that most of us are just worn out from 6 years of absolutely insane bullshit. It this point I frankly am left with no other option but to believe that the left has finally removed the mask and shown us all how evil and manipulative they are. I have said it many times already: Obama and the democrat party have basically done some of the most ludicrous, destructive, and heinous things possible over the past six years. Stuff that surpasses my wildest predictions of how bad things would be. And there is no pretending that the left means well but are just executing poorly. Or that the problem is people like me that see wrong where there is none. The world is a far worse place today than it was 6 years ago, and what the left is doing will guarantee things get a lot worse.

    I admit I am tired of trying to convince morons using just logic, facts, and examples of how the real world works, because none of these things ever overcome the left’s fanatical adherence to broken and evil dogma. You can’t show Charles Manson how crazy what he believes is because you simply can’t reach him. Reality doesn’t matter to someone like that. I have come to the realization that the same applies to leftists. No matter how many examples of how wrong what they believe in and foist upon us are presented to them, they will not back down. They continue, undaunted, to say that they failed because they didn’t do even more of what caused things to go wrong in the first place. A trillion dollars in porkulous money only served to lard the pockets of connected people and the campaign coffers of democrat politicians, but didn’t deliver any of the economic promises? Well that’s not because this was a bad idea, but because they should have gone for 2 trillion!

    The western world is doomed as long as the left has not completely and totally been discredited and shamed out of existence. Spare me the bullshit lies about how the right is just as bad. I hold no love for social justice warriors or social warriors in either camp.  I want a society where a man is left to his own devices, as much as possible and within a system of laws that champions freedom, and not punished for the heinous crime of doing better than others.

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  9. NativeSon

    I’ve never been one to comment and I don’t check in near as much as I used to but I would hate to see the site go away. It’s definitely not like it was several years ago. We all miss Lee. But there are still some good writers and plenty to write about. There’s my .02 …. hope everyone has a blessed day.

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  10. richtaylor365 *

    Although I believe that liberalism/progressivism is all icing no cake and has done way more harm than good (not to mention anathema to the very concept of American exceptionalism) breaking it down to bite size truisms like right is good and left is bad is also equally shallow. Whether it is wasteful fraudulent spending in entitlements or wasteful fraudulent spending in defense, it is still wasteful fraudulent spending. The dems  are not the only party that gorges itself on deficit spending. Not only was the Iraq war Bush’s war, but one of the first things the GOP congress critters did when they got the majority was to subvert the sequester and establish a slush fund (funded by even more Chinese debt) to do an end run around sequester to fund the military and future wars. If the dems had pulled this with one of their entitlement programs the howling would be deafening. I have no loyalty to the GOP other than deriding them even harder when they stray because they should know better.

    But back to the topic of the post. The longevity of the site is directly linked to its appeal. Can we bring in more eyeballs, folks that will stick around and participate.

    Thrill, let us know if in fact changes have been made to your account.

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  11. AlexInCT


    “breaking it down to bite size truisms like right is good and left is bad is also equally shallow.”


    At no point did I say right is good and left is bad Rich. In fact, what I said specifically was that I didn’t like social justice warriors or social warriors, on either side, because their shit all stunk. Many here have labeled me right wing because I despise the left and the evil I see in the ideology that is driven by nothing but envy, jealousy, greed, and the pretense that they somehow posses the magical power to overcome natural laws. 


    Just because I am fiscally conservative and despise the idiotism of collectivism  doesn’t make me right wing. Just because I correct the constant lying, which seems to be the MO for any communication from the left, doesn’t make me right wing. Just because I correctly point out that these pseudo-intellectual marxist idiots are destroying humanities future doesn’t make me right wing. Neither does pointing out that the LSM is now nothing but a branch of the DNC. I find myself siding with and voting republican because I have no other realistic choice.


    Given the choice between taking a bite out of shit sandwich or drinking a gallon of drain cleaner, sane people will do the former. The right sucks and has a lot of problems, but the left is evil and destructive. Once this destructive ideology has been marginalized and no longer is able to drive us all off the cliff, I will bother with the next worst thing. Maybe that will be the right even.

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  12. Hal_10000

    This week has been bad for me — HST proposals and my daughter’s recital.  But I’ll admit I am fatigued by Obama and despondent about the idea of Clinton II: The Revenge. And it seems that any time I get excited about a Republican candidate, he does or says something dumb.

    One thing I’ve been kicking around and wanted to bounce off you guys: since science is what I do, I was thinking of having a weekly post on some new scientific result or theory (no, not global warming). Science Sunday, maybe.  I think there might be some interest and it would be a little bit of a weekly uplift from the usual downbeat of politics.  Let me know what you think.

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  13. repmom

    No doubt Lee was devoted to this blog. He posted daily, sometimes multiple times a day, if my memory is correct. He normally addressed the topic of the day, whether it be political, or simply a story about a deaf woman crossing railroad tracks and getting hit by a train, or an actor overdosing on drugs, or a story about a man dying (I think) after having sexual intercourse with a horse. I personally hated those last stories, tried to ignore them, but they drew attention, and comments.

    Obviously, the writers in charge now don’t have the time to devote to daily stories, and the number of participators still around to comment has dwindled considerably from those days.

    I’m not sure this blog can ever again be what it once was, but I have to give kudos to Rich and Hal and Thrill and others for wanting to give it a try, to keep it going. I wish you the best of luck.

    The discussions that go on and on between Iconoclast and CM are tedious, no doubt, and I always moan when I see them, and I find myself wondering how either has so much extra time on their hands, but hey, who are we to say they shouldn’t be allowed?

    Clearly some are being polite by not naming names, but we all know who they are talking about. Alex is not popular here as a writer, it seems. I myself pass up his posts. They turn me off. Not because of what he says, but because of the way he says it. Perhaps he should make an effort to work on his tone, his word usage. Or not, his choice. But I personally find his constant use of terms like “libtards”, “morons”, and others not coming to my mind at the moment, turnoffs. I suspect others do as well.

    I find myself addicted to this website. No matter how hard I try to stay away, I find myself coming back, wanting to know what is being said, what Hal and others think about certain topics. It sounds like other old members are in similar boats, still reading, still interested, but not interested in commenting.

    As a writer on certain fiction blogs, I understand the importance to writers of comments, feedback. Nothing is more frustrating then to spend time writing, and posting, and having no response. Even a simple “good job”, “great point”, is important. Otherwise, the writer finds themselves wondering “why do I bother?”.  That’s why I like the “like” button. It is an easy way to show writers/posters and commenters that we like what they said. Hal took my earlier suggestion to have it for comments. I feel it is needed for posts as well.

    Just my two cents, most likely worth much less.

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  14. InsipiD

    Since the time that started, I’d almost say that everyone’s fear and discomfort at what was said and meant by the do or die feeling of the situation certainly has been a bit obvious, too.  I’ll admit that the job that I’ve held since 2011 has tempered my blog habits a lot overall, as I can’t login to anything at work.

     

    To everyone who is working behind the scenes here, keep shoveling.  Once it’s all cleaned up, it will be worth it.  One suggestion that I would make has to do with layout.  Something about the font and size since The Change has made it much less readable than before.

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  15. richtaylor365 *

    Hal, I like the idea, but nothing too esoteric, you might have to dumb it down a bit for us knuckle draggers.

    As a writer on certain fiction blogs, I understand the importance to writers of comments, feedback.

    Hold on there little missy, you can’t just throw that out there, then walk away, my curiosity is piqued. Is this like a book club blog? Are you one of the authors or just a frequent commenter? Is it put out by The State Dept.? Their entire narrative is based on fiction.

     

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  16. JimK

    Not that my opinion counts for much anymore, but one major reason I stopped reading and commenting here a long time ago was because of CM. He’s so fucking tedious and a colossal waste of everyone’s time. Going forward, you will lose many new faces you attract because of him and his incredibly verbose, argumentative and tedious comments, I guarantee it.  You don’t want an echo chamber, but he’s never, ever been a healthy dissenting voice, and will never be. He just likes to argue minutiae until your fingers are bleeding from trying to respond.

    My $0.02. YMMV.

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  17. repmom

    I write sappy fiction romance stories on fiction blogs, rich. Nothing you guys would be interested in, I assure you. :)

    Someone here a long time ago, drumwaster, I think, told me that I base my political views on feelings, rather than facts, common sense. I guess that’s why I’m pretty good at writing fiction, but not discussing politics. But I’m very interested in politics, which is why I continue to visit this site, to see what you guys are saying about issues of the day.

     

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  18. Xetrov

    One thing I’ve been kicking around and wanted to bounce off you guys: since science is what I do, I was thinking of having a weekly post on some new scientific result or theory (no, not global warming). Science Sunday, maybe.

    I for one would love it.

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  19. Xetrov

    I’d find myself posting more if I felt what I wrote was actually getting read.  I’ll try to post more often.  But I agree with the fatigue.  You can only bash your head against a wall for so long, and Obama has done some amazingly bad things that have been completely overlooked by the media, and many many Americans.  It honestly scares me for what is to come.  It now seems to me like The Constitution is meaning less and less with each passing President.

    The thought  of Clinton II or Bush III makes me want to cry.  I am so, so sick of voting for the lesser of two evils.  I want someone running for office that I can get passionate about.  Someone who honestly wants to fix the problems facing this country, not just follow opinion polls to try to get reelected (the flipside of that being that many think Obama has solved problems…even though it was mostly just punting the problem down the hill for the next person to deal with – Obamacare did give insurance to some without it, but it didn’t actually solve anything, and will cost is dearly in the long run).

    But honestly, the political process today, and the money involved, and the compromises politicians make, and the stupid career nature of what it takes to get elected in America these days gives me very little hope that I will ever be passionate about someone running for office again.

    Maybe we need to look outside of politics to try to bring this blog back.  2016 is coming, and that will no doubt generate some interesting posts.  But with the campaigner in chief, it seems like we’ve already been in an election cycle for the last 8 years without a break.  I’m sick of elections.

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  20. CM

    Ok well I’m happy to leave then, if I’m in the way of making this place better (obviously there are at least four people willing to sign up to what JimK is saying).

    IMHO there is no discussion if a large proportion of the posts are all variants of “so we all agree that people who disagree with us are stupid, right?”, yet that is the common theme that just keeps coming through over and over again. People can and probably should just admit that they really just want to discuss issues with people who pretty much think like they do, and will support them rather than question them. Personally I don’t see the point of that, other than if you’re someone who constantly needs reassurance or similar.

    Anyway, happy to leave.

    How about this – if I get at least 7 likes to this, you won’t hear from me again.

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  21. Xetrov

    Oh, crap.  – 1 like on CM’s post, heh!  I liked your post before I read the last line!  facepalm

    I like CM’s alternating view from most people here.  The minutiae that threads get bogged down in does get old, but alternate viewpoints are what makes us think.  Maybe CM (and a few other posters) could just promise to lay off what the meaning of is is, and that sort of BS.  Agree to disagree, and all that.

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  22. CM

    Hahaha, I didn’t consider that possibility. Ok, well, I guess it’ll need to be 8 now.

    Maybe CM (and a few other posters) could just promise to lay off what the meaning of is is, and that sort of BS.  Agree to disagree, and all that.

    Yes, I’m certainly prepared to sign up to something like that. If I’ve given the wrong impression from the words/phrase I’ve used (or someone has simply misinterpreted) then I’ll explain what I mean(t), and then leave it at that. If others want to ignore that (and therefore turn it into misrepresentation) it’ll simply be the end of the discussion (which is just what happened recently yet again, but I’m talking about bowing out after they’ve done it once).

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  23. ilovecress

    The ‘No Pizza for you’ thread could have been an interesting discussion, I’m honestly conflicted on the issue. But it soon degenerated into an argument about the semantics of ‘fellow travelers’. We’re arguing about the way we’re arguing.

    I guess your as your resident lefties, CM and I could bring a bit more to the table to bring the other side of the issue (as opposed to the argument itself), and get the discussions moving along. But that does mean that some people need to admit there actually is another side to the argument, and it’s not just evil/stupidity/corruption/secret illuminati Obama cartels.

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  24. Section8

    But that does mean that some people need to admit there actually is another side to the argument, and it’s not just evil/stupidity/corruption/secret illuminati Obama cartels.

    When Lee had this blog up I remember one of the great things the lefties would cheer about was that he was honest enough to call the GOP out on their bullshit. Many of his followers here on the right agreed with many of his points as well (maybe not all of them every time, but most of them most of the time), because it was about honesty. I don’t hear crap from the left  here on just about anything that’s questionable regarding the current administration. Why is that? Does it just not exist? No need to talk about it, and just wait to comment on the ah ha got you moment when someone may go a bit too far into the conspiracy realm? Give me a break.

    Anyhow, Jim brings up the point as some of us have for years now. CM has flooded these treads for years with the same tactics, and everyone knows what those are. It’s been called out over and over, but for some stupid reason here, it’s the counter party that ends up being the focus even though the counter party has rotated how many times now? It doesn’t take a damn genius to figure out the common thread. Now it’s Iconoclast that’s the *real* problem. How many times does the same variable that brings down a thread get ignored?

    I don’t post here that much because of it, and many who would agree have left a long time ago, hence my point I made a few weeks back that conservative interest left this place a long time ago.

    If the admins want to cater to the left including those that by their own admission have said this blog has provided nothing of value to change their views or question their views, instead of focusing on the people who really would like to see this blog thrive, then so be it. Keep it as is and it will stay as is no matter how you dress up your html and JavaScript.

    Jim is 100% right.

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  25. ilovecress

    I don’t hear crap from the left  here on just about anything that’s questionable regarding the current administration. Why is that? 

    To be honest mate, it’s because it’s a right leaning blog, and us lefties don’t post. And I’m not sure how interested you guys would be on my critique of Obama’s (lack of) financial reform.

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  26. richtaylor365 *

    To be honest mate, it’s because it’s a right leaning blog, and us lefties don’t post.

    Then why in the hell did you ask for author rights?

    And I’m not sure how interested you guys would be on my critique of Obama’s (lack of) financial reform.

    Show some stones, Cress, put something out there on the topic, we will be fair.

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  27. Santino

    Ok, well, I guess it’ll need to be 8 now.

    Point of order.  Is there a time limit on this?  What if say, you only get 4 votes, and 1 month down the road you’ve pissed off enough people that they come back here to vote, and you hit the threshold.  Then what?

    I kid of course, I think you should stay (easy for me to say as I don’t comment much).

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  28. ilovecress

    Rich – I don’t have author rights…. if you’re interested, I’m happy to put some posts together though – if you think it’ll help. But again, is it what people want to see?

     

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  29. richtaylor365 *

    Hal, I thought you gave Cress author rights. That was the original plan anyway. Cress, we will get you on board.

     is it what people want to see?

    Of course. Economic threads have always polled well here and has been the topic where most dust ups happen.

     

    As a New Zealander (?) you guys have the bona fides/bragging rights to speak on the subject since you kick our asses both in economic freedom and in balancing your budgets.

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  30. CM

    Good point Santino. Someone else just told me that it’s possible for people to do it multiple times, I think just by going via a different IP address. Is nothing sacred?!

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  31. Iconoclast

    It could be that we have threads where the arguments boil down to what the word “seems” means and goes for days/weeks at that level.

    Like it or lump it, the meanings of words is a vitally important issue, as words and their meanings have an impact on thought itself.  Many things in life piss me off, near the top of that list is having some Orwellian kiwi bozo from down under trying to dictate to me the meanings of words which I have been using for five fucking decades of my life.  If there is disagreement on a word’s meaning, well, this is an American blog, so the American viewpoint trumps everything else, period, end of discussion.

    Yes, dealing with CM’s Orwellian nonsense is tedious.  But then, many things in life are tedious, like cleaning the mildew from the grout between the tiles on your shower, or scrubbing out your toilet bowl, or weeding your lawn.  You can either face such tasks or avoid them, and the potential cost of doing the latter should be apparent.

    There appears to be little, if any, respect or trust between the opposing sides we have here…

    That could be due to the fact that, in this particular venue, most of those on the right are Americans while most of those on the left are not.  We Americans are the ones who are losing our country to the cancer of liberalism.  We Americans are the ones losing our hard-fought freedom and liberty.  The kibitzers from the UK and NZ have nothing to lose and everything to gain if the USA becomes another also-ran socialist paradise.  It’s the diametric opposite for us Americans.

    IMHO there is no discussion if a large proportion of the posts are all variants of “so we all agree that people who disagree with us are stupid, right?”, yet that is the common theme that just keeps coming through over and over again.

    Yeah, and you are soooo totally innocent of that, right?  Gimme a fucking break, you hypocrite.  Your condescension and arrogance are the stuff of legend.

    If you want some real examples of that about which you bitch and whine, go visit a so-called “science” blog like Pharyngula or The Panda’s Thumb.  This blog has nothing on them when it comes to tribal superiority complexes, whether real or imagined.

    But it soon degenerated into an argument about the semantics of ‘fellow travelers’.

    Yeah, my fault, I’m sure.  After all, I used the term.  CM’s subsequent petulant questioning of the term sort of required me to spell it out for him, but it’s still all my fault, yes?  But that is so typical of CM’s Orwellian nonsense, questioning that which should be obvious to anyone with a brain.

    And with that, I am saying farewell.  No “7 likes” bullshit, just the exit and not letting the door hit my ass on the way out.

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  32. richtaylor365 *

    Come on, I thought we were all adults here :(

    Yeah, my fault, I’m sure.

    I read that as more of a slam on CM than you.

    Since this is my post, I will weigh in. The goal is to grow the blog, not diminish it. I prefer that neither of you leave. Obviously you get something out of it and enjoy reading it, otherwise both of you would not have been regulars for so long. Grabbing your toys and going to another sandbox in not the answer.

    Icon, we are simpatico on almost everything politically and I enjoy reading your posts. When smart people validate your views, it reaffirms them. Likewise I think CM is a smart guy, reaffirmed by the few PM’s we have had in the past. This isn’t lunch hour at the high school where the cool girls don’t let anyone else sit at their table. Blogs are for expressing points of view, sometimes different points of view. We should all welcome that.

    And with that I will leave you to make up your own mind.

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  33. Section8

    Iconoclast where else do you post? I’ve liked your writings so if you can post one last time of other places to visit I’d appreciate it. Agree wholeheardly with your last post.

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  34. CM

    Grabbing your toys and going to another sandbox in not the answer.

    I agree.

    My point was simple – if there is a misunderstanding about language, let’s just be honest about it, and move on.

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  35. Iconoclast

    One final post, to tie up a couple of loose ends…

    Iconoclast where else do you post? I’ve liked your writings so if you can post one last time of other places to visit I’d appreciate it. Agree wholeheardly with your last post.

    I appreciate that, S8.  But, for better or worse, this has been my only outlet for the past several months — all the other venues where I posted have dried up for one reason or another.  After this post, my online writing output will drop to zero.

    Grabbing your toys and going to another sandbox in not the answer.

    I agree.

    Screw both of you.  I was told by several different posters here that I was part of the problem, which is fine.  I can accept that, and my solution is to simply vamoose, and let CM have at this venue in his typically condescending fashion.

    I have no “toys” to “grab”, and I’m not “going to another sandbox”.  As I told S8 just above, there are no other “sandboxes” to which to go.  I’m merely walking away from this one.

    My point was simple – if there is a misunderstanding about language, let’s just be honest about it, and move on.

    That’s a load of horse shit if there ever was one.  Just for the record.

    How about this – if I get at least 7 likes to this, you won’t hear from me again.

    Well, there are 9 likes, and yet here you still are, being heard from.  Always a man of your word, aren’t you?

    Sayonara, one and all.  I do hope this venue does well, I do hope the tech issues are resolved and new blood can sign on.  If not, CM’s Kafka-esque idiocy will be the end of this place, I’m sure.  It’s rather apparent that he won’t honor his word by actually leaving as promised.

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  36. blameme

    Sayonara, one and all.  I do hope this venue does well, I do hope the tech issues are resolved and new blood can sign on.  If not, CM’s Kafka-esque idiocy will be the end of this place, I’m sure.  It’s rather apparent that he won’t honor his word by actually leaving as promised.

    Well, I certainly didn’t expect this to happen. And, for the record, I don’t want you or CM to leave.

    I guess I cannot understand how this one criticism could make you want to leave – how about when things get tedious both sides walk away to contribute another day?

    I enjoy reading your posts – I do. In my feeble opinion though, you waste your time on those arguments. Of course, your time is your time. So do with it what you will, but I find it hard to believe this one suggestion could make you leave this blog unless you were contemplating it anyway.

    Otherwise, it seems simple enough to just walk away from those conversations and join in fruitful ones on this block instead of deciding to quit.

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  37. richtaylor365 *

    I never thought I would say this since I can’t think of time I ever disagreed with you, Icon, but you are acting like a pussy. 2 people criticized you (not several), and 1 of those 2 clarified and asked you to stay and you get all poutty and leave. You are acting like a liberal, thin skinned and over reacting. You obviously get something out of coming here, or you wouldn’t, so you throw all that away (and the benefit others get reading you) because you got your feelings hurt. This place used to be Thunderdome, cage matches with the gloves off. Personally I like the civility this place has evolved to, but I can’t believe the petulance you are displaying here.

    Take a few days to reflect. We all act like a douche from time to time (some make it a regular practice) but I hope you will reconsider. Leave the drama at home and make this place better by virtue of your presence.

     

    Oh, and that goes for CM as well.

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  38. CM

    Well, there are 9 likes, and yet here you still are, being heard from.  Always a man of your word, aren’t you?

    It’s rather apparent that he won’t honor his word by actually leaving as promised.

    Further on I noted:

    Someone else just told me that it’s possible for people to do it multiple times, I think just by going via a different IP address. Is nothing sacred?!

    So the whole upvotes or downvotes thing (now just thumbs up) is/was even more meaningless than I thought. It could well be 5 people providing those 9 (with Xetrov being the 10th).

    how about when things get tedious both sides walk away to contribute another day?

    I’d be willing to work much harder at that. And people can remind me of this when the occasion arises.

    I’d rather Iconoclast stayed too, for what it’s worth.

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  39. repmom

    I, for one, CM, went knocking on my neighbors’ doors, asking to use their computers to vote you out.

    Seriously, I doubt any bothered with that. Down votes were pretty meaningless, and they are gone. You set yourself up to be booted out with that random number, and then changed the rules.

    I hope Iconoclast changes his mind about leaving, and that you keep your word to work harder.

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  40. CM

    I, for one, CM, went knocking on my neighbors’ doors, asking to use their computers to vote you out.

    Actually 7 of those votes were mine alone.

    To be honest I just didn’t think it through. It was stupid and pointless in all manner of ways.

    I hope Iconoclast changes his mind about leaving, and that you keep your word to work harder.

    Yes x 2. However I (and people like me) clearly make him sick to his stomach (just look at all the parting shots above). So it’s probably better for his health if he does leave. I’m happy to take some of the blame, but certainly nowhere near the whole blame.

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