Attack in Paris

Three gunmen have shot up the offices of a satirical French magazine, Charlie Hebdo, killing 12. As of this writing, they are on the loose and their motive is unknown, but video apparently shows them shouting “God is Great!” and “We have avenged the Prophet!”. Hebdo was known for publishing cartoons of Mohammed. France is regarding this as an act of terrorism, which it almost certainly is.

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I’ll post updates as events warrant. One thing I will note: I do not expect the French to fuck around. Despite their reputation, they take terrorism seriously.

Update: I won’t link, but there is video of these animals executing a wounded police officer at point blank range. Just awful.

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  1. Seattle Outcast

    So far I haven’t seen any asshats stating that somehow the French brought this on themselves. But give it time, I’m sure some apologist will get around to it.

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  2. Poosh

    “But give it time, I’m sure some apologist will get around to it.” – Guardian already printed at least one article doing so. Well, blamed the cartoonists for their desire to be controversial.

    Let’s not pretend any of these attacks are done without the consent and approval of a substantial number of Muslims within the “muslim community”. We should be able to say that there are many Muslim patriots who have helped France foil many other terrorist attacks – but there are still plenty of other fifth column types.

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  3. CM

    How long until someone blames Obama?

    how long until a warped, immoral, irrational disgusting scumbag starts a similar I’ll Ride With You hashtag?

    What is wrong with that hashtag? You still haven’t been able to explain. I get that you despise the person behind it, but what’s actually wrong with the hashtag? Why does it make you froth at the mouth?

    Let’s not pretend any of these attacks are done without the consent and approval of a substantial number of Muslims within the “muslim community”.

    The horrific murder of the editor, cartoonists and other staff of the irreverent satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo, along with two policemen, by terrorists in Paris was in my view a strategic strike, aiming at polarizing the French and European public.

    The problem for a terrorist group like al-Qaeda is that its recruitment pool is Muslims, but most Muslims are not interested in terrorism. Most Muslims are not even interested in politics, much less political Islam. France is a country of 66 million, of which about 5 million is of Muslim heritage. But in polling, only a third, less than 2 million, say that they are interested in religion. French Muslims may be the most secular Muslim-heritage population in the world (ex-Soviet ethnic Muslims often also have low rates of belief and observance). Many Muslim immigrants in the post-war period to France came as laborers and were not literate people, and their grandchildren are rather distant from Middle Eastern fundamentalism, pursuing urban cosmopolitan culture such as rap and rai. In Paris, where Muslims tend to be better educated and more religious, the vast majority reject violence and say they are loyal to France.

    http://www.juancole.com/2015/01/sharpening-contradictions-satirists.html

    I.e. it’s designed to get people like you frothing at the mouth. Pushing back against their goal would be campaigns such as ‘I’ll Ride With You’ (which both you and the Islamist Terrorists absolutely hate).

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  4. Thrill

    I’m not surprised that this happened. The evidence has been piling up for months that ISIS fighters with European passports and combat experience in Syria have been amping up for this sort of attack. I’m impressed by how professionally it was carried out.

    Very frightening.

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  5. Hal_10000 *

    The striking thing about this is that they didn’t stick around and shoot it out. They left, meaning they are planning more attacks. That’s unusual and suggests a lot more sophistication than the standard suicide attack.

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  6. Section8

    RE Juan Cole: Nothing new there. Nice spin that it’s not really about silencing critics, even though the terrorists themselves have said that is one of their goals. I’m not sure why you guys want to try so hard to be apologists for this stuff, and twist it yet again that the real threat to peace would be if the French did anything about this, but eventually once your credibility is shot completely there will be no getting it back for a long, long time.

    The biggest weapon al Qaeda/ISIS/ISIL or whatever they want to call themselves tomorrow have is the fact that the West still has the knee jerk reaction that they can’t get upset by these acts, and anything but complete tolerance and trying to “understand” is a crime against humanity. This will persist for a while and the terrorists will continue to feed off it and grow, but then there will be a backlash and sadly by then far more innocents on both sides will be slaughtered. Sadly instead of taking this seriously now out of fear of being labeled with petty name calling, it will continue to fester and grow until it hits a breaking point. The longer that takes the worse things will get.

    I also see Juan made a comparison to Christianity where Christians aren’t required to condemn crimes, but I don’t know what universe he’s living in. i know he’s desperate for some parity between the behaviors of the two religions these days but it’s not even close. BTW, I’m not religious, but I do know Christians overall are not a threat, and so do the leftists, gays, feminists, and other so-called oppressed people that bitch about how rough they have it in the West and in particular this country. It makes for good theater and helps one to elevate their own ego, but you won’t see any of these folks running to the ME for a better life. That’s because they don’t believe their own bullshit, and there’s no reason the rest of us should either.

    So the door for now will remain open to immigrants who are not migrating because they feel where they are headed is a better place and want to be part of that culture, they will continue to pour in and insist the country changes for them, and people will continue to put up with it because the fear of being called names is more painful to them than getting steamrolled. At least for now.

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  7. Poosh

    “Je suis Charlie” is admirable but how about regular citizens post the actual cartoons whenever they can.

    I appreciate journalists etc are in a difficult position, and I honestly don’t think it’s easy to sit there and say “I’d post the cartoons if I was editor” – but for regular citizens, the danger to us is minimal.

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  8. Hal_10000 *

    I like what Jesse Walker said about Je suis Charlie — most of us aren’t that good and none of us are that brave. They published those cartoons despite very specific threats against them an a firebombing. They knew they were targeted and they said they would rather die on their feet than live on their knees.

    S8, I agree. Charlie published cartoons lampooning everyone: Jews, Christians, Muslims, Atheists. Only one of those groups threatened and carried out violence. We can’t pretend that all religious extremism is equal. And when Christians or Jews commit religious violence, it *is* condemned. When the abortion clinic bomber was loose or the abortion doctor was murdered, pro-Life groups loudly condemned it.

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  9. Poosh

    Let’s be clear, since 9/11 and excluding attacks in a theater of war during a clear war – Devout Muslims (do we really need to be calling them “Islamists” or “extremists” in 2015?) carried out 24,795 terrorist attacks, mostly against Muslim civilians.

    It’s the same thing. And has always been. With more and more stats showing our own Muslim populations have significant support for ISIS and terrorism in general, or Sharia law, we need stop thinking that it’s a tiny minority or that our enemies are just a few nutcases or fanatics.

    Thanks to the Iraq War our armed forces managed to cull 100,000 of Islamsts. It was good. But that was a long time ago. Due to the refusal to finish the job and fight the ideology (or even acknowledge it) the ranks soon refiled.

    Keep in mind during Christmas France was subject to a few Muslim lone wolf attacks, running over civilians etc. Keep in mind, in France, there are Muslim-only no-go areas (billed as “immigrant”).

    Since 9/11 – and under Obama – you’ve suffered the Islamic attacks of Boston Marathon and Fort Hood. Same thing. We should be grateful that our governments – with the help of loyal Muslims – have managed to protect us for so long.

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  10. Xetrov

    I think the reason Muslims need to condemn stuff like this is the fact that these idiots are performing terrorist acts in the name of Islam, and their God. If Christians were running around blowing people up in the name of and on behalf of God, I’d feel obliged to say their reason for doing that has nothing to do with the Christian God I believe in.

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  11. Poosh

    @Xetrov exactly.

    And ask yourself why they don’t. Now look at the numerous stats showing large portions of Muslim populations (single digit % at least) agreeing with Islamic terrorism in some manner, or the tyranny that a Sharia run country enforces.

    Vipers in the nest. Now consider how many Muslims from whatever Islamic group (CAIR etc) stand up on tv and openly lie about their religion with the desire to deceive non-Muslims (any Muslim that claims Islam says if you kill someone it’s as if you killed the world is lying, there is simply no way they can quote that quote without knowing you’re lying about what is actually written i.e. by all means kill non-Muslims, and Muslims who cause trouble).

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  12. CM

    RE Juan Cole: Nothing new there. Nice spin that it’s not really about silencing critics, even though the terrorists themselves have said that is one of their goals.

    So you don’t believe there was a wider strategy – this was solely about hitting specific critics? You’re dismissing it as a theory because the terrorists said silencing critics is one of their goals?

    I’m not sure why you guys want to try so hard to be apologists for this stuff,

    Apologists for what? Terrorism? You’re really trying to go there?

    and twist it yet again that the real threat to peace would be if the French did anything about this,

    That would be a threat to peace, and is probably the strategy. How is that any sort of twist?

    The biggest weapon al Qaeda/ISIS/ISIL or whatever they want to call themselves tomorrow have is the fact that the West still has the knee jerk reaction that they can’t get upset by these acts, and anything but complete tolerance and trying to “understand” is a crime against humanity.

    Why the need to exaggerate?
    Staying calm (as opposed to reacting against Muslims) is surely the opposite of a knee-jerk reaction.
    Who is suggesting that we should all have “complete tolerance” for murderous criminal acts of terrorism like this one?

    This will persist for a while and the terrorists will continue to feed off it and grow, but then there will be a backlash and sadly by then far more innocents on both sides will be slaughtered. Sadly instead of taking this seriously now out of fear of being labeled with petty name calling, it will continue to fester and grow until it hits a breaking point. The longer that takes the worse things will get.

    So what are you saying? It’s better that the backlash against ordinary non-terrorist Muslims occurs now, because it’ll just be worse later?

    but I do know Christians overall are not a threat

    But that’s not the point being made. But do Christians ever feel the need to apologise for past actions taken in the name of Christianity?
    I’m kind undecided on this issue of whether people should be obligated to speak out to defend their faith. I’m uncomfortable with the idea because once it becomes required, then any time someone doesn’t do it (for whatever reason) then it’ll be quickly assumed (by the usual suspects) that they’re complicit or supportive.

    So the door for now will remain open to immigrants who are not migrating because they feel where they are headed is a better place and want to be part of that culture, they will continue to pour in and insist the country changes for them, and people will continue to put up with it because the fear of being called names is more painful to them than getting steamrolled. At least for now.

    Is there any evidence of a link (between the terrorist act and the change in the country because of pressure from immigrants)?

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  13. CM

    Now consider how many Muslims from whatever Islamic group (CAIR etc) stand up on tv and openly lie about their religion with the desire to deceive non-Muslims (any Muslim that claims Islam says if you kill someone it’s as if you killed the world is lying, there is simply no way they can quote that quote without knowing you’re lying about what is actually written i.e. by all means kill non-Muslims, and Muslims who cause trouble).

    Then what’s the point: if they stand up and condemn it they’ll just be “lying”.

    Religion doesn’t kill anyone, in the same way guns don’t. And in the same way you’re not going to get rid of religion.

    Poosh, it may be that the overwhelming majority of Muslims don’t follow your interpretation of Islam.

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  14. CM

    Two senior figures in France’s Muslim community on Wednesday condemn the lethal shooting at the Paris offices of a weekly magazine known for satirising radical Islam. One of the gunmen was captured on video outside the building waving his arms and shouting ‘Allah!’.The head of the Paris Grand Mosque and president of the Muslim council in France, Dalil Boubakeur, say that Islam condemned such acts of violence

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/jan/07/representatives-french-muslim-community-horrified-charlie-hebdo-attack-video

    Is he just lying?

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  15. InsipiD

    I like what Jesse Walker said about Je suis Charlie — most of us aren’t that good and none of us are that brave.

    For them, it had become what they decided to do, after everything had become more threatening. The editors and staff of Charlie Hebdo were what many comedians are: professional assholes. We have plenty of them here, only they don’t choose to target Muslims the same way that Charlie Hebdo does. Make no mistake about it, Charlie Hebdo wasn’t doing something that needed to be done just because nobody else would do it, they were entertaining an audience by getting edgy about humor. The freedom to do that is vital. Freedom of speech is itself far more important that anything any one person is saying. Freedom of speech means that people who publish stuff like Charlie Hebdo mustn’t be jailed for doing so. Unlike the libs in this country, who try desperately to silence so many who say things that they disagree with (and who seem to delight in attacks against those whom they don’t like), I support the freedom of those who I disagree with, which would often include Charlie Hebdo.

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  16. InsipiD

    And lest anyone think that RTFLC has not been consistent in regards to this needs to look up the pig pic that Lee made the first time that Charlie Hebdo was making international news.

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