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World Cup

I’m moving any WC updates to it’s own post.

A few minutes away from USA vs. Portugal…………………….this game is huge. No Jozy (hopefully he is rehabbing the shit out of that hammy). Ronaldo is playing, not sure how effective.

That Germany/Ghana match yesterday was just awesome, reminds me what a feat that was beating Ghana in the first round. Bosnia got screwed big time, check out that douche off sides call by the ref, robbing them of a goal.

Crap, they just got Jack Bauer doing the pregame commercial. This will be the biggest audience for a soccer game here, like ever.

If anyone wants to live blog any goal or any comments, lets do it.

GO U S A !!!!

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  1. ilovecress says:

    That Tim Howard save was superhuman.

    I’m really rooting for the USA this tournament. It’s going to be absolutely amazing when USA teams are really competing on the world stage – and you know it’s going to happen….

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  2. Xetrov says:

    Heartbreaking end.

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  3. richtaylor365 says:

    I’m stunned, that’s all I got.

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  4. Seattle Outcast says:

    It’s going to be absolutely amazing when USA teams are really competing on the world stage – and you know it’s going to happen….

    Not as long as top athletes can make many millions of dollars in the NFL, NBA or MLB instead of a salary easily exceeded by working an assembly line job . Soccer will always be a 2nd rate game in America if only for that reason in alone.

    August 2, when NFL preseason games start, the typical American will have about as much interest in FIFA as they do in getting a root canal.

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  5. CM says:

    That douche ref was a Kiwi. That’s our contribution apparently, since we failed to qualify. Wonderful.

    Sorry USA, that must have been horrible. Like cress, I’m definitely hoping you guys can make the last 16.

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  6. Xetrov says:

    Not as long as top athletes can make many millions of dollars in the NFL, NBA or MLB instead of a salary easily exceeded by working an assembly line job . Soccer will always be a 2nd rate game in America if only for that reason in alone.

    You do realize that people can play in foreign country leagues to earn the vast majority of their money, and then play for their home nation in the World Cup, right?

    Cristiano Rinaldo, is the top player in the world. He played against us on Portugal’s team, but makes his salary, some $52 million per year, playing for Real Madrid in Spain. That’s $33 million more than Lebron’s Salary on the Heat, who is the highest paid team sports athlete in the US.

    Most of the top paid athletes in soccer play for teams other than their national team to make money. Clint Dempsey, currently playing on Team USA, earns more than $7 million per year playing for Tottenham Hotspur in the English Premier League. MLS Salaries have very little if anything to do with the quality of players on the US team.

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  7. Xetrov says:

    Correcting myself – Lebron makes $19mil in Salary (but more in endorsements so he was higher on the list I looked at). Looks like Clayton Kershaw has the highest salary per year in US team sports at the moment. He plays for the Dodgers and makes just over $30mil per year actual salary in his new deal. Still $22mil short of Rinaldo’s salary.

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  8. Santino says:

    MLS Salaries have very little if anything to do with the quality of players on the US team.

    I don’t think that’s entirely true. Both Dempsey and Bradley were wooed to the MLS this year (Seatlle and Toronto respectively). A quick look at the US roster shows that 10 players are on MLS rosters. Landon Donovan who for years led the US national team has had little success outside of the MLS. Jozy Altidore also got his start in the MLS.

    Regardless, it was a devastating finish to the match. We had our children in tears because we scared the shit out of them when we cheered each US goal. Then Portugal had us in figurative tears at the end of the game. I keep reliving that moment, I think it was Bradley who had a chance to stop the pass to Ronaldo that led to the rush. If only he could have put his foot on that ball…

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  9. Seattle Outcast says:

    I did specifically mention US soccer players, not what they make elsewhere:

    http://www.ussoccertalent.com/2014/03/11/how-much-money-do-soccer-players-in-the-u-s-make/

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  10. ilovecress says:

    I think the England players get $1,000 a game to play for their country and they donate it to charity.

    Wayne Rooney is on half a million dollars a week for Man Utd. And that’s not including sponsorship deals and image rights.

    The MLS might be a little way behind that, but not for long. All the money is investing in US soccer, they’ve got Beckham starting a franchise, another New York team playing in the Yankee Stadium with Villa and Lampard already on their books.

    And if there was a country ever set up to improve a fledgeling sport it’s you guys. You do sport right….

    I’m not saying that Superbowl Sunday will ever be replaced by Super Soccer Saturday, but I think the powers that be see the future of ‘soccer’ in the US.

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  11. Xetrov says:

    I did specifically mention US soccer players, not what they make elsewhere:

    Look at the comment you were responding to.

    It’s going to be absolutely amazing when USA teams are really competing on the world stage – and you know it’s going to happen….

    Real Salt Lake, and LA Galaxy are not “world stage” teams. If Team USA has superstars making millions on foreign team leagues, they still come back and play for Team USA when international tournaments like the World Cup hit. So how does the state of MLS mean anything in regard to Team USA in the World Cup? I’ve already demonstrated that “top athletes” in Soccer internationally make more than Athletes in the US in other sports, so the draw for talent already exists.

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  12. Seattle Outcast says:

    I’ve already demonstrated that “top athletes” in Soccer internationally make more than Athletes in the US in other sports, so the draw for talent already exists

    And you totally miss my point of “but not here” – most athletes don’t give a crap about what they can make if they move out of the country and learn a new language, the draw in the US is NFL, NBA and MLB.

    I hear this over and over and over – soccer is what kids play in the US until they hit puberty, and then about fucking all of them change sports if they have the size or talent. Football is “bigger than god” in major portions of the US – you can’t say that about soccer. High school wrestling has a bigger fan base.

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  13. ilovecress says:

    Hey SO – my point is that a whole bunch of very rich people are going to spend a whole lot of money over the next few years to try to change that. Maybe it’ll work, maybe it won’t but it’s where people see the market.

    I think that it will work. Soccer is a global game now, and the fact that I follow Liverpool because I happened to be born fairly near there is a bit anachronistic. If the New York City FC vs Red Bulls can offer me the chance to watch Henry and Cahill go up against Villa and Lampard, I’ll tune in. That’s where the money is.

    As a comparison – the TV companies pay the MLS teams about the same as they pay the English Premier League Teams. Where the money goes, so does the talent.

    But it won’t happen until you get rid of that collectivist socialist salary cap :-)

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  14. Xetrov says:

    Oy.

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  15. Santino says:

    Here’s an interesting article that speaks to the above conversation.

    http://www.si.com/soccer/planet-futbol/2014/06/24/mls-world-cup-usa-usmnt-don-garber-jurgen-klinsmann

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  16. Dave D says:

    A coin toss? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of for sports. Pathetic, really….

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  17. richtaylor365 says:

    A few words about the USA/Germany match tomorrow. I am really sick of all this Glass Is Half Full crap. The spin lately has been really nauseating. I don’t care about “their fate is in their own hands” or “They should be happy having 4 points (instead of 6) going into the final match”, the only thing that is going to remove that regurgitated bile taste is a win against Germany. I have never been an advocate for playing it safe and all this talk about playing to secure a draw makes me want to puke. The USA team out played both Ghana and Portugal, I think they can hang with Germany, even without Altidore. Leave it all on the field, win or lose.

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  18. Xetrov says:

    I would argue that the USMNT did not outplay Ghana. They got lucky. Ghana controlled the ball much better, and for more of the game than team USA, had more corner kicks, more shots on goal, and almost triple the shots that team USA had.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ghana%20vs%20usa%20stats

    I do think the USMNT controlled the ball much better against Portugal, and were doing very well until about minute 94.5.

    I’m going to hope for a win tomorrow, but I don’t have delusions of that being a likely scenario, so I will also hope for a draw in the Ghana/Portugal game. I definitely don’t want to see a coin toss to determine who goes on. That, I think, would turn quite a few potential new fans off from soccer whether the USMNT wins the toss or not.

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  19. ilovecress says:

    I am loving the US fans at this world cup. It’s a bit like when you lend a book you love to someone and they get really into it.

    Football is all about who can make the most order out of chaos. The diving, the weird rules, the biting, the personalities, the grey areas in the rules. The challenge is who has the most personality to impose their order on the what is essentially 90 minutes of random events. And if anyone has personality it’s the Americans. :-)

    Don’t worry about the coin toss. It’s never happened before. Just approach the game with the attitude that you’re masters of your own destiny.

    Also – fuck the Germans. Seriously, do it for old England. :-)

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  20. Xetrov says:

    Looks like it’s going to be a wet game today for USA vs. Germany.

    I just saw a brief interview on ESPN3 when the USMNT coach arrived at the stadium, and something struck me. It’s interesting how the US is considered to be so commercialized and controlled by giant corporations, but check out every interview, press conference, etc. that they are doing at the World Cup. There are backdrops with dozens of logos from all of the sponsors right behind whoever is speaking every single time. I even saw a portable one they set up on the field after the last USA game when they interviewed one of the players. You don’t see that in the NFL/NBA/MLB. You will see some logos behind them at formal press conferences where there are dozens of photographers and video cameras, but at the World Cup, anytime anyone is talking to a camera anywhere, there are the logos behind them.

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  21. richtaylor365 says:

    Considering how much the Brazilian government hocked themselves sponsoring this event (all the new stadiums built, that one in the middle of the Amazon forest will only host this event, that’s it) I’m not at all surprised. When the Geico gecko starts reffing games, a big VISA logo is painting on the field, or uniforms are adorned with “Go USA, brought to you by Gatorade”, then we can complain. Compared to those NASCAR guys, draped head to toe in logos and ads, these guys are amateurs.

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  22. Xetrov says:

    Compared to those NASCAR guys, draped head to toe in logos and ads, these guys are amateurs.

    True.

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  23. Iconoclast says:

    When is this soccer nightmare gonna end?

    (downvotedownvotedownvotedownvotedownvotedownvotedownvote…) ;-)

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  24. Santino says:

    Seriously, do it for old England.

    To paraphrase GWB, You forgot Canada!

    I’m getting sweaty palms just thinking of the game. U-S-A, U-S-A!!!

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  25. Xetrov says:

    Good first half.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1FaF8OIMsA

    “MERICA!

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  26. CM says:

    Awesome to see the US through to the final 16 again.
    As for the saturation advertising, I would imagine that’s all FIFA.

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  27. richtaylor365 says:

    You can see why Germany is one of the favorites, they just did everything a little better, including dominating the second half.

    So we backed in to the knock out round, this is like going to school and under the bleachers you find a stash of nudie picks taken in the girls shower, but they are of your sister, the same one that killed your hamster when you were 10.

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  28. richtaylor365 says:

    Ann pokes a little fun at soccer;

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-06-25.html#read_more

    and the usual crybabies are pulling out their hair. How much fun is this woman having? Is there anyone that can get under the skin of your typical progtrard (not quite as cool a word as “Neocon”, but close) with such minimal effort?

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  29. CM says:

    Germany are rarely exceptional or flashy but are superb at tournament play. They just know how to get the job done. So even though teams like the Dutch may look the goods (and they certainly have), Germany is still more likely to be there or thereabouts at the business end.
    However I’m going for the Dutch. I like them and they’ve not won it before.
    Bizarre to have a Second Round without the Spanish, Italians, and English.
    The USA have a decent chance in the Second Round though, they’ve avoided any of the remaining big guns.
    Loving all of it. Although very annoying to have games times of 4am and 8am. At least with the 7am start times during the first two weeks I could watch the first half before work.

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  30. Xetrov says:

    We have a conference room here at work, seats about 200, and has a 10 foot projector screen, and two flat panels hanging on the wall on either side. it wasn’t being used this morning, and most of the senior management around here is at the corporate office this week. So what did I do?

    Damn straight, I booked the room, took my tester laptop down, and connect it to the guest wifi (no pesky firewall blocking streaming video), and played the US game from espn3 on all three screens. By the end of the game, there were about 30 people in there watching.

    Shhhhh.

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  31. CM says:

    Hahaha nice work. Good on you.
    I can stream it on my pc via my Sky TV account but I’ve got too much work on…..but now we’re at knock-out stage I can see that I’ll probably get a little naughty.

    This is how I see it playing out from here:
    Brazil beat Chile
    Uruguay beat Colombia (hmmm, probably, although maybe not without The Biter)
    France beat Nigeria
    Germany beat Algeria
    Netherlands beat Mexico (more than likely)
    Costa Rica beat Greece (although perhaps not)
    Argentina beat Switzerland
    USA beat Belgium

    Then:
    Brazil beat Uruguay (or Colombia)
    Germany beat France
    Netherlands beat Costa Rica (or Greece)
    Argentina beat USA

    Then:
    Brazil beat Germany
    Netherlands beat Argentina

    Then:
    Netherlands ruin it all by beating Brazil 7-6 in the final in extra time.

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  32. Santino says:

    this is like going to school and under the bleachers you find a stash of nudie picks taken in the girls shower, but they are of your sister, the same one that killed your hamster when you were 10.

    …and then you remember that she’s your step sister, so it really isn’t that bad, and you pocket a pic or two.

    We have 2 televisions on our floor at work and there are usually 15-20 people poking their heads in to watch the game. Being in the eastern time zone it works well for the first game being at noon. Fortunately July 1 is a holiday so I can watch the full match on Tuesday. Nothing like spending Canada Day cheering for the US!

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  33. Section8 says:

    We’re like the Jamaican bobsled team of the soccer world. Fun to cheer on, but not a shot in hell.

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  34. Nexus says:

    If I want to watch a bunch of men struggle to score for 90 minutes I’ll go to a bar.

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  36. Xetrov says:

    BTW – 44 Google Doodles thus far for the World Cup. Couldn’t come up with just one for Memorial Day though.

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  37. CM says:

    Google operates worldwide though (190+ country), whereas Memorial Day is only in 1 country. Could that not be it?

    So far I’ve been wrong once, although not really as I suggested that Uruguay might be able to beat Colombia without The Biter. But really that just means there have been no upsets.

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  38. Xetrov says:

    Google operates worldwide though (190+ country), whereas Memorial Day is only in 1 country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Google_domains

    Worldwide (Original for the United States) google.com September 15, 1997

    Google.us forwards to google.com, so google.com IS the US’s domain for Google. Meanwhile, many other countries get their own.

    http://www.google.com/doodles/

    http://www.google.com/doodles/denmark-national-day-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/philippine-independence-day-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/belgium-elections-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/jordan-independence-day-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/colombia-presidential-elections-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/belgium-elections-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/european-parliament-election-2014-day-1

    http://www.google.com/doodles/norways-200th-year-of-independence

    http://www.google.com/doodles/india-counting-day-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/parents-day-2014-korea

    http://www.google.com/doodles/south-africa-elections-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/israel-independence-day-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/spring-and-labor-day-russia

    http://www.google.com/doodles/south-africa-freedom-day

    http://www.google.com/doodles/turkey-elections-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/election-day-2014-fr

    http://www.google.com/doodles/tunisia-independence-day

    http://www.google.com/doodles/hungarian-revolution-day

    http://www.google.com/doodles/colombia-national-congress-elections-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/ghana-independence-day-2014

    http://www.google.com/doodles/dominican-republic-independence-day-2014

    Could that not be it?

    I don’t think so.

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  39. Hal_10000 says:

    So we backed in to the knock out round, this is like going to school and under the bleachers you find a stash of nudie picks taken in the girls shower, but they are of your sister, the same one that killed your hamster when you were 10

    Well, someone pointed out that if the games were reversed — we narrowly lost to Germany, then tied Portugal, then beat Ghana in dramatic fashion — we’d be ecstatic. Klinsman was clearly playing for the standings, trying to prevent a blowout rather than going for the jugular. That was probably the most sensible plan given how exhausted our guys were after the game in the Amazon. We could have attacked more but I think he had visions of those huge German forward running down the field with exhausted US defenders trying to keep up, getting blown out 5-0 and getting knocked out the World Cup for good.

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  40. richtaylor365 says:

    Well, someone pointed out that if the games were reversed — we narrowly lost to Germany, then tied Portugal, then beat Ghana in dramatic fashion — we’d be ecstatic.

    Well of course, but then it would not have been “backing in” since a win would have secured the advance out right, so that’s pretty much gobbledygook.

    Lately I have been watching more World Cup than Wimbledon, some great matches so far. Thankfully only one penalty point shootout to date, but even this is far more fitting than a bullshit foul at the last minute (robbing Mexico), the flopper even admitted that he was flopping, awful.

    Altedore is available but I doubt he will start, hardly match savvy after a big lay off. I just want a good match, no controversies, win or lose.

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  41. Santino says:

    Tim Howard for President!!!!!

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  42. Xetrov says:

    Good run, US. That game would have been 12-1 without Tim.

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  43. richtaylor365 says:

    I’m exhausted

    Yeah, Howard is superhuman, but if your goalie has 16 saves, you guys are doing something wrong.

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  44. Hal_10000 says:

    yeah, Team USA was way outplayed. With any other goalie, it would been 5-1.

    Tim Howard for President!!!!!

    I’d go for that. He’s gotta be better than any of the jokers currently in the running.

    Best comment of the day was from an astronomer friend though: “oh, isn’t Belgium the flat, boring place that various armies roll over on the way to somewhere more important?”

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  45. Santino says:

    To be fair, you could refresh with a nice wit beer before your ultimate destination. I’d recommend a Belle-Vue Kriek.

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  46. Santino says:

    Lately I have been watching more World Cup than Wimbledon

    Man, Bouchard is looking good! Hopefully Raonic can pull off the major upset.

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  47. richtaylor365 says:

    It’s like a bad dream, no only do you guys practice capitalism better than us and rank higher on the economic freedom scale, now you hosers play tennis better than us.

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