It was settled, except maybe not…

The cultists love to tell us about how the melting of the polar caps, but especially the Antarctic Glacier, validates their cult’s premise that man’s doing this, and not nature. I watched an episode of the heavily politically motivated Cosmos TV show just a week or two ago where they pushed their global warming agenda hard, playing fast and loose with the facts, and never mentioning as alternative energy to fossil fuels the only technology man has today that can meet the existing and future demands: nuclear. They acted as if solar and wind would just do the job when the fact is that both technologies are marginal at best. The whole thing soured me on the show which compared to the Cosmos of Carl Sagan feels so dumbed down its almost cartoonish anyway. But back to the Antarctic and the recent revelation – I am sure the cultists will claim done by people paid by big oil/gas – that nature again was trumping man. From a Daily Caller article discussing these findings we get that:

Researchers from the UTA’s Institute for Geophysics found that the Thwaites Glacier in western Antarctica is being eroded by the ocean as well as geothermal heat from magma and subaerial volcanoes. Thwaites is considered a key glacier for understanding future sea level rise.

UTA researchers used radar techniques to map water flows under ice sheets and estimate the rate of ice melt in the glacier. As it turns out, geothermal heat from magma and volcanoes under the glacier is much hotter and covers a much wider area than was previously thought.

“Geothermal flux is one of the most dynamically critical ice sheet boundary conditions but is extremely difficult to constrain at the scale required to understand and predict the behavior of rapidly changing glaciers,” UTA researchers wrote in their study, which was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

My point remains the same: these cultists selling us their Mayan Calendar doomsday Waterworld-is-a-coming scenario don’t know as much as they claim they do. Not even close. But they are really desperate to have us buy their shit, as soon as possible, so they can take away our freedoms and convince us to move back into caves, all while their elites have carbon footprints that match a small city. I think the cultists need to call a pow-wow to figure out how they can come up with some excuse that allows man to be blamed for this geothermal activity too, so they can keep selling the more Marxism-fascism solution that always is the end goal. The thing is people are wising up in record numbers. Maybe we should be taking a look at tapping that geothermal energy, along with more nuclear energy, but I doubt the watermelon want either of that. Doesn’t help the cause or enrich those connected to them like selling the woefully underperforming solar and wind seem to do.

  1. They’re misreading the study. AGAIN. This study actually supports the previous indications of glacier melt because it resolves an inconsistency between two different measures of geothermal melting, which is accounted for in the modeling. The amount of geothermal heat is a fraction of the amount of atmospheric heating — that’s right there in the fucking press release.

    More bullshit, Alex. Keep grasping at those straws. Or maybe try reading studies before you rely on the Daily Caller to misrepresent them.

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  2. “The amount of geothermal heat is a fraction of the amount of atmospheric heating — that’s right there in the fucking press release.”

    Where? From what I’m reading they are saying it has a much greater effect than was previously thought, i.e. a much larger impact. True they did not say that global warming is not a factor or still the greatest factor, at least from what I’ve read so far, but at minimum this does yet again back the argument that we don’t have all the answers on a situation so complex with so many variables. Especially when modeling for year out.

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  3. This study actually supports the previous indications of glacier melt because it resolves an inconsistency between two different measures of geothermal melting, which is accounted for in the modeling.

    Seriously? You want to tell me that an effect that should exacerbate the actual melting is being used to explain why the warmist have been so horribly wrong about what’s really going on with their insane predictions that the poles would all be gone by now (that was Al Gore a decade or so ago) with none of that being the case? That’s like me telling you that spraying gasoline as a mist on fire is why the fire is burning far lower than I predicted. It amounts to nonsense.

    The point as S8 made it, is that you warmists don’t have a fucking clue about what’s really going on and shouldn’t be taken seriously. This thing is far, far more complex than anyone understands, and none of your predictions have come to pass precisely because you don’t have a clue. My point stands: people should never let the warmists use this manufactured and misunderstood phenomenon to rob us of even more of our freedoms, money, and prosperity. When I hear the warmist tell us they are going to replace our energy generation with nuclear and abandon the pie-in-the-sky bullshit that has only served to make some connected people that return the favor in the way of political donations stinking rich, I might start listening to them. Until then, I know they are full of shit and that this is about an agenda.

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  4. You want to tell me that an effect that should exacerbate the actual melting is being used to explain why the warmist have been so horribly wrong about what’s really going on with their insane predictions that the poles would all be gone by now (that was Al Gore a decade or so ago)

    No scientist made that prediction. No scientist is making that prediction. Algore is not a scientist. And even he didn’t make that prediction. The melting of the ice sheet will take centuries.

    The point as S8 made it, is that you warmists don’t have a fucking clue about what’s really going on and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

    Yes. Let’s just throw up our hands and ignore 80 years of correct predictions and everything we know about climate science, chemistry and molecular physics because Algore! Libruls!

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  5. No scientist made that prediction. No scientist is making that prediction.

    According to the UN IPCC all scientists – it’s a consensus, don’t you know – have predicted just that unless we serfs give them absolute power and trillions in tax dollars, while abdicating our freedoms, prosperity, and rights, so the elites can keep their carbon footprints which mirror that of small cities.

    Yes. Let’s just throw up our hands and ignore 80 years of correct predictions and everything we know about climate science, chemistry and molecular physics because Algore! Libruls!

    The fact that “everything we know” is highly suspect and gets proven to be incorrect almost daily, would lead me to conclude that this would actually wouldn’t be a bad idea Hal. I say lets do a lot more research. Actually lets do a lot more research and make sure it isn’t biased by the AGW cultists and government (the biggest special interest out there) money. But no way do we do what the nanny staters want. Ever. I would rather live in waterworld than give up my freedoms, to leftists of all things, anyway. The USSR, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and countless other such experiments have shown me how this game always plays out.

    As I pointed out: if the marxist-fascists really believed the poison they were peddling, they would be telling us to build nuke power plants everywhere. We would be in fact building these for free in the up and coming 3rd world countries to provide them with abundant energy in lieu of fossil fuels. But we are doing none of that. Instead they are peddling solar and wind which both are unviable. They might as well be telling the 2 billion of us they would allow to live after they cull the others that are burdening Gaia to go live in caves already.

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  6. and gets proven to be correct almost daily

    Fixed that for you.

    You keep confounding two separate issues here. The first is: is global warming happening? I’m very convinced that it is. The second is: are big government solutions the answers. And I’m pretty convinced that they aren’t. Accepting premise 1 does not require you to accept premise 2.

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  7. Algore said there was a chance that the northern ice cap would be ice free in summer within 5-7 years. This debate is about the southern ice cap, which will take centuries, if not millenia to melt.

    And he was citing an outlier study.

    And he’s still not a scientist.

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  8. “And he was citing an outlier study.”

    True, yet suddenly it’s convenient to site outlier studies when other consensus studies don’t pan out such as the recent lack of recent atmospheric temperature rise. Well it must all be in the ocean. After all it’s the warmest it’s been X number of meters down than it has been in a whopping 50 years. And there was this study once so that must be it. Right again!

    Hansen also made similar predictions about the polar ice cap. Accountability matters if you’re going demand action now! Otherwise, don’t throw them out.

    My issue isn’t the science. I don’t have issues trying to determine what impact we make. It’s the goal post shifting that bothers me, as well discounting other factors like this recent study on geothermic effects. This of course should also be questioned with further study, just not discounted or spun that it bolsters the global warming claim. It doesn’t bolster it, but I also agree it doesn’t negate it either. They did not state either. But they did state geothermic effects are far more reaching than previously thought. And what effect that has removes what was previously attributed to man made warming.

    Again lots of variables we still need to understand.

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  9. I could have a monkey fly out of my ass in the next 5-7 years.

    Al Gore didn’t say there was a “chance”, and sounded pretty damn specific. And he actually indicated that there were studies saying the ice cap couldbe ice free within 5-7 years. If we can’t trust what the studies or people touting the studies are saying then what good is all the hot air? Last I checked, Gravity wasn’t described as the force that could make a ball fall when I let it go while standing on Earth. it’s 100% repeatable in scientific experiment. When the science involving Global Warm…sorry, Climate Chang…sorry, Climate Disruption doesn’t need to include such non-scientific terms as “could”, “maybe”, or “possibly” when talking about the certainties, let me know. Because until then, anything is possible. Even monkeys flying out of my ass.

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  10. Again … Al Gore is not a scientist. You guys do understand this right?

    Here’s the story. In the mid 2000′s, the projections for arctic sea ice were than we might get an ice free summer in 20-30 years. One study — the Maslowski study — came up with an estimate between 2011 and 2016. Almost everyone thought it was a bit pessimistic. And if you look at the full Algore quote, you’ll actually see he said there was a range of predictions, with 7 years being the most pessimistic. That projection has been wrong. Others are still on track (and in fact, some underpredicted sea ice loss).

    Meanwhile back in reality: Arctic Sea Ice hit a catastrophically low level in 2012, dropping 800,000 square kilometers in one year. When it “recovered” to just being really low in 2013 (1.6 million below average), the climate skeptics falsely claimed it was recovering.

    Meanwhile, back in reality: the Beaufort Sea, which used to be open to passage for only a few weeks and in a narrow strip, is now open.

    Meanwhile, back in reality: the Northwest Passage is open to heavy shipping for the first time.

    Meanwhile, back in reality: the arctic sea ice volume is only a fraction of what it was even twenty years ago.

    So what we have *seen* is a huge reduction is arctic sea ice area, volume and thickness. A reduction the climate skeptics said should not happen and that the climate scientists said would happen. But now climate skeptics are proclaiming victory because it is proceeding less rapidly than one of the many studies predicted (and much rapidly than other studies predicted). Here it is as a dramatic one act play:

    Scientist: Arctic sea ice is thinning. We may have an ice free summer within 20-30 years. Some studies say as little as 7.
    Skeptic: There arctic sea ice will be fine. Why I bet it will increase!
    [10 years later]
    Scientist: We’ve lost another half a million square km of sea ice, on average. We’re still on track for arctic sea ice to disappear during the summer in 20-30 years.
    Skeptic: Aha! The arctic sea ice didn’t disappear in seven years! So you are wrong! Global warming’s a myth! Communist!

    Also: is the planet warming or not? One day you say it’s warming but ti’s the sun. The next day, you say it’s not warming. The next day you say it is warming but it’s the sun. The next day you say it’s not warming. This is like playing ideological whack-a-mole.

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  11. Xetrov, if you’re going to go with science only when it is 100%, then gravity is just about all you have. Almost all science — especially predictive science — has to be based on qualifiers. It all comes with uncertainties. Are you skeptical that smoking is bad for your health because not everyone who smokes gets lung cancer? Are you skeptical of cosmology because the universe could be 13.8 billion years or 13.6? Are you skeptical of evolution because we weren’t clear on where Neanderthals fit into everything? Do you think the Obama economy isn’t shit because every now and then we get a good jobs number?

    The sea ice models indicated 20-30 years to ice free summer. Some said as few as 7. By your logic, we should just throw them all out because they can not predict, to the exact day, when we will have an ice free summer. Push aside the exact dates; concentrate on the broad picture. AGW science predicted huge declines in arctic in sea ice even if it wasn’t precisely clear when that ice would reach zero. We have seen huge declines in arctic sea ice (despite desperate attempts to claim otherwise). How is that not a correct prediction?

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