Yes, We Are Going To Make You Look Like An Idiot

It is the consensus among some around here that the malaise we as Americans find ourselves in is nothing more than a speed bump, a temporary pause from the usual march to prominence, and that happy days are right around the corner. Sure, it is easier for the guy across the street to say ,”No big deal, it’s just a little smoke, chill”, when his neighbor is busy trying to put out the flames emanating from his living room. Of course this new found stature might result from a coup or a revolution, refreshing that tree of liberty and all, but don’t expect the correct crop to do much pruning;

Did anyone here know the answer to that pop music question? Has anyone even heard that song before? {my cave doesn’t even have an echo}

But no hand wringing for us, we’ll save that for all those progressive’s lamenting the demise of the polar bear. My bunker is well stocked. I will take a page from the current generation and say ,”I got mine so suck it, all you schmucks are on your own”, gee, I feel so contemporary.

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  1. AlexInCT

    Rich I am often flabbergasted how concerned progressives get about meaningless, trivial, or downright inconsequential shit – to the point of engaging in paranoid behavior – while ignoring the real scary shit. Frankly I give a rats ass about Polar bears or any other animal. Nature has wiped out millions of mammal species, billions of non-mammal species, and literally, from a recent science article on evolution I was reading, trillions of insect or plant species. Gone. Poof. Hasta-la bye-bye. It’s how nature guarantees life persists, even when shit gets ugly, and it has worked for a billion years.

    So yeah, you might feel it is sad for Polar bears to go extinct, but I don’t. Survival of the fittest is nature’s way for a reason. It’s really easy to sit in your comfy apartment, far from actual predators like Polar bears, and think hoe horrible it is that they might be dying out – a fallacy BTW, sine the populations have been growing actually – but it is a totally different thing to not have the wonders of technology and distance to protect you from an animal that because of nature’s ways and the survival of the fittest mechanism would only see you as a threat or food.

    People that think it is their duty to play good and create Disney World’s vision of the animal kingdom on earth are fucking idiots. I blame all those idiotic movies with the cool predator animals that act like they can suppress their nature and suddenly be buddies with their food for this idiotic mindset that predominates amongst kids under 12 and progressives of all ages. I have never understood the progressive claim they are all sciency when their ideology is predicated on ignoring so many natural laws, including nature’s laws and ways, but in particular the survival of the fittest mechanism that has guaranteed survival of life even when earth suffered ELEs.

    You can’t wish the laws of nature away, just like you can’t wish the laws of physics, chemistry, mathematics, economics, or biology, but the left seems unable or unwilling to comprehend and accept that. So you get people all up in arms because of some bird, insect, amphibian, rodent, or dangerous predator might be going extinct, while either completely ignoring or actually defending the devastation their violations of the laws of human nature and economic are causing us all. Go fucking figure.

    And you know that when you are in your bunker surviving the apocalypse they visit on us they will demand you pay your fair share to help them out. Like the parable of the ants and the lazy ass grasshopper, collectivists want a society where others do the heavy lifting while they skate bye, but they hide behind the mantle of wishing to do good by others (but always with other people’s money).

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  2. Hal_10000

    I have a lot of skepticism about these videos. I strongly suspect they are cherry-picked. Colbert did a bit where he did the same thing at Columbia and most of the students were able to identify Supreme Court justices, the Vice President and some of the big issues.

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  3. CM

    Yeah it’s not hard to find people to say exactly what you want them to say, and then edit accordingly. It’s how Michael Moore got himself a career (TV Nation before the rest of his films).

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  4. richtaylor365 *

    SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what you guys are saying is that these folks really know all about Benghazi but needed some scratch so they read their lines from a script and were only acting like they didn’t know about Benghazi? How funny.

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  5. Hal_10000

    No, I’m not saying that. I’m saying that they might have interviewed 100 people and are only showing us the stupidest rather than a representative sample.

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  6. richtaylor365 *

    Sure, its possible (probable) that some editing was done, but what we know for sure is that there are some pretty clueless college kids out there, now if you want to say that they are not reflective of the majority, that’s on you to prove.

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  7. CM

    Not what I meant either, Hal explains it above.

    I would say it’s you trying to make the case so it’s on you prove/support. All we can take from the video is an assessment on what is provided (i.e. on each of the individuals, and even then each interview would have been edited to suit).

    While you put that together I’ll apparently continue “lamenting the demise of the polar bear” or some such dismissive misrepresentation.

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  8. richtaylor365 *

    lame ass logic, I must say. Either you stick with the ridiculous , that these kids read off a script and pretended to be clueless, or they were clueless, either or, buddy, take your pick. The only case I am making is what we see, now if you want to make the case that they are not representative of the majority, prove it. You are the one projecting, not me.

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  9. Aussiesmurf

    CM is talking basic statistics. If you show me clips of five (let’s say) people who think that the sun revolves around the earth. All you have shown is that those five people have an incorrect belief. You certainly haven’t demonstrated that all or even most people think that.

    If you demonstrated that the five people interviewed were the first five people you saw, and that no-one else was interviewed, then the random element allows certain rough statistical projections to be made. This is where standard deviations come in handy.

    It is self-evident that if your objective is to ‘prove’ that the ‘kids of today’ are uninformed, then it is highly relevant whether you interviewed 5, 50 or 500 people to get your ‘sample’ of 5.

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  10. CM

    Exactly.
    I wasn’t trying to say that anyone was reading from a script. But ask the right people the right questions and pretty soon you’ll have what you want. Just remove all the rest.
    I’m not projecting anything, you’re the one who appears to want to claim they are in some way representative.

    It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to work out what they’re after
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Research_Center

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  11. CM

    Wow you really must live in an actual cave if you’re asking if anyone has even heard that song before. The song has been EVERYWHERE for about the last year.
    Which makes for a pretty lame comparison. Especially given the college of students are always likely to know about pop music.
    When I was at university I’m sure I could have been caught on some major issue of the day. Much less so after I finished.

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  12. richtaylor365 *

    . All you have shown is that those five people have an incorrect belief. You certainly haven’t demonstrated that all or even most people think that.

    My, aren’t you a champion of the obvious, or should I say co champion, CM beat you in his pathetic stumbling of ,”Well, just because you have shown that these students are clueless about Benghazi doesn’t prove that ALL students are”, no shit. The video, nor my posting of it, never pretended to demonstrate what the majority of college students know (if anything) about Benghazi, that is your’s (and CM’s) projection. The extrapolation taken is more for humor and not to prove any empirical study (again, pointing out the obvious) of what the majority of college students know.

    But ask the right people the right questions and pretty soon you’ll have what you want. Just remove all the rest.

    Of course, if that is what happened here, is it? You made the claim, so back it up. My claim was (and still is) only that these handful of people was clueless. I guess the guy making the video could have presented a 2 hour video with 300 students equally clueless but you would have just countered with ,”Interview a couple thousand students and you can easily edit out the rest and just show these 300″, so there ya go.

    Which makes for a pretty lame comparison

    What comparison was I making exactly and how was it lame? I asked a simple question, wondering if any of the readers here knew what the song was, and basically to reinforce how clueless I am with contemporary trends. Obviously college kids are into what’s current in the music industry, but give yourself another pat on the back because you think you are equally hip for knowing the song. I suppose you are equally versed in the latest dance moves, drinks and jargon in the hip hop scene, now I know who to go to for my MTV news.

    When I was at university I’m sure I could have been caught on some major issue of the day

    Benghazi is not just “some” major issue of the day, it is the major issue of like the last 16 months. I guess I would expect some verbal stumbling if the guy asked about the VA scandal, about Ukraine, Iranian Nukes, or even the new 911 controversy, but Benghazi? Are you kidding me? But you can take solace in the thought (unable to prove of course) that these dozen or so folks were culled from a sample of every single student at GM University.

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  13. CM

    The guy who made the video set it up as a comparison, and you mentioned it.
    You don’t have to be ‘hip’ or watch MTV to know that song. It’s been EVERYWHERE. There are even YouTube videos people have made the world over, singing and dancing to it. Pharrell evens cries when Oprah shows him. They literally could not have chosen a less-obscure song. Which undermines the comparison they were going for.
    Benghazi should be more important to know about than 911?! WTF?! For the vast majority of the last 16 months Benghazi hasn’t been in the news. For the last year it’s only in the news because the GOP still perceives that there some political life left in it.
    But yeah, sure, let’s tag another one as ‘humor’…..all libs are tards ‘humor’….

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  14. Hal_10000

    College students are dumber, I’ll agree, in part because there are a lot more of them than they’re used to be. We are sending people to college who really don’t need it and aren’t suited for it and would be better off — financially and emotionally — getting a job out of high school. I think Jindal’s been trying to push this in Louisiana, moving toward more vocational ed than the YOU MUST GO TO COLLEGE track.

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  15. richtaylor365 *

    The guy who made the video set it up as a comparison, and you mentioned it.

    Yes, I mentioned it, but not as a comparison, more of that reading stuff into comments that isn’t really there, yet again. You would have a leg to stand on if I wrote ,”Can you believe these kids, all they care about is pop music, to the detriment of important stuff like current events”. It has always been a recurring theme in many of my posts that I am old (older) and out of touch with many contemporary mores (music, Hollywood, the latest PC musings) and I was curious to see if the readers here (the only sampling asked for) knew of it.

    It’s been EVERYWHERE.

    Apparently not since I never heard of it, and I do listen to music in my car and in my cave, but select stations on XM and CD’s of my choosing.

    They literally could not have chosen a less-obscure song. Which undermines the comparison they were going for.

    Whatever comparisons THEY were making, I think you missed it entirely. The point was ,”See, it’s not that these kids are brain dead, incapable of rational thought and the ability to process information, but their priorities are not on current events or politics”. Them being not into politics is not at all surprising given the current crop of ballsackers we have now, but it does go to the “low information voter” narrative and the damage they do. No one begrudges them for their interests but if all you care about is hip hop music then indulge yourself in music polls and social networking in that venue, and stay out of the voting booth.

    Benghazi should be more important to know about than 911?! WTF?!

    Jesus, can you even read? I said ,”or even the new 911 controversy”, not 911 itself. What I was referring to was the latest roe on both the choice for the internment venue for the unnamed remains, and the gift shop controversy, selling (exploiting the victims) gear depicting the tragedy for profit. If you were not aware of these, no big deal, but honestly, you have to do a better job of reading what is posted.

    But yeah, sure, let’s tag another one as ‘humor’…..all libs are tards ‘humor’….

    More indignant over reaction on your part. Yes, these pieces are put together for the humor factor but it is not all libs are tards, that is your phony redoubt to hide behind. I have no doubt that the guy probably got some typical progressive reactions from informed students, much like ,”Sure, Benghazi was where our ambassador was killed on the last 911 anniversary a year ago last, and it’s in the news because the GOP is trying to make it political and influence the next election”, but those comments are not humorous (are they?) so they were not included. But if the goal was “all libs are tards” then they would have been included.

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  16. Ed Kline

    Rich, if the purpose of this video is not to show how flippin ignorant young college students are about the current events, then what is the point? To find 5-6 college students who just happen to not know about Benghazi? I don’t think so. One is supposed to infer that this video is somehow representative of how young people are relatively uninformed, and more to the point what their priorities are in general knowledge ( let’s not forget they all knew Pharrell Williams sings ‘Happy’.)
    It’s perfectly reasonable to wonder how heavily edited this is. I certainly think of editing watching that fraud David Blaine’s Street Magic. This is basically the same thing.
    Bottom line, without the implication of how stupid young people are, this is, in and of itself, not amusing. With the implication, it isn’t remotely scientific.

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  17. Ed Kline

    Also, and this is no small point, the lack of real seriousness of this video, does not cleanly fit the narrative of what you wrote up top. More importantly, because this video is so suspect, it fits even worse with what you wrote, and becomes even more open to scrutiny.

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  18. richtaylor365 *

    it isn’t remotely scientific.

    No!!! really? Gee, what’s the point in renewing my subscription to Scientific American? Now I’m really bummed.

    if the purpose of this video is not to show how flippin ignorant young college students are about the current events, then what is the point?

    How flippin ignorant SOME college students are about current events, fixed it for ya, and I’m surprised {rhetorical} how this distinction is lost on you.

    To find 5-6 college students who just happen to not know about Benghazi?

    By my count it was about 12, but what the hell difference does it make anyway? You do realize that it was a 3 minute video? Would you prefer a 3 hour documentary showing 300 clueless students, would that do it for you?

    It’s perfectly reasonable to wonder how heavily edited this is

    Wonder till you get dizzy, and you can certainly speculate that it was “heavily edited”, but that’s all it is. I can also wonder whether the guy went out, found the first dozen students he saw, asked them about Benghazi and all 12 were clueless, an easy day for him.

    the lack of real seriousness of this video

    Sorry about that, the next time I post a levity video (yes, that was the purpose, sue me) I will make sure that the guy with the microphone has his serious face on, frumbles his brow and makes sure the participants know to be solemn and deadly serious in their answers.

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  19. CM

    Yes, I mentioned it, but not as a comparison, more of that reading stuff into comments that isn’t really there, yet again.

    Yes you are. I wasn’t trying to suggest that YOU made the comparison. Thought I’d just cleared that up.

    Them being not into politics is not at all surprising given the current crop of ballsackers we have now, but it does go to the “low information voter” narrative and the damage they do.

    That video is certainly selling a narrative. I’m sure you could go to any university anywhere and at any time and edit yourself a selection of students that don’t know about a particular political issue from 16 months ago. Some of those students might have still been in school then, and not even eligible to vote.
    The video says precisely nothing about anything, other than perhaps the people who made it and the people who promote it.
    Incidently I don’t know what a ‘ballsacker’ is, but I know about Benghazi.

    No one begrudges them for their interests but if all you care about is hip hop music then indulge yourself in music polls and social networking in that venue, and stay out of the voting booth.

    I don’t think you can conclude that “all they care about is hip hop music” from any of this. Looks like the comparison did it’s job with you though.

    Jesus, can you even read? I said ,”or even the new 911 controversy”, not 911 itself. What I was referring to was the latest roe on both the choice for the internment venue for the unnamed remains, and the gift shop controversy, selling (exploiting the victims) gear depicting the tragedy for profit. If you were not aware of these, no big deal, but honestly, you have to do a better job of reading what is posted.

    Ok yeah my bad. I must have skipped over those other words. Apologies. Had not heard about it (not that it’s any excuse).

    More indignant over reaction on your part. Yes, these pieces are put together for the humor factor but it is not all libs are tards, that is your phony redoubt to hide behind.

    Phony? It’s a simple observation – people don’t even take pains to try and hide it. But if you’re Alex, it’s “all libs are evil tards”.

    There is zero objectivity in that video, you’re pretending there was, but again trying to hide behind ‘humor’ (“I don’t really mean any of this”). If it was a liberal video portraying conservatives as ignorant racist greedy shits then you wouldn’t have a bar of it, and you certainly would argue strongly that it’s meaningless.

    Bottom line, without the implication of how stupid young people are, this is, in and of itself, not amusing. With the implication, it isn’t remotely scientific.

    Exactly. It really is trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. “And let me tell you another thing I know about the Liberal…..”

    The interviewer is even using that distasteful technique of mocking people to their face in order to have a joke with the intended audience. That’s just lame (just as it would be if a liberal did it). The people being interviewed didn’t seem to be rude or anything similar? Why does the interviewer get to be rude? They deserve that because they have the gall to not know about Benghazi? Elitism much?

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  20. richtaylor365 *

    That video is certainly selling a narrative.

    Yes, that SOME college students are clueless about current events, where exactly would you like to run with that?

    . I’m sure you could go to any university anywhere and at any time and edit yourself a selection of students that don’t know about a particular political issue

    Didn’t we already go over this?

    I don’t think you can conclude that “all they care about is hip hop music” from any of this. Looks like the comparison did it’s job with you though.

    Dang, tripped up by one little word ,”IF”, that happens alot, doesn’t it?

    Phony? It’s a simple observation

    Oh, please, that is your entire narrative here, namely that people criticize what you say because they can’t throw off their own “all libs are tards” shackles,all things are shot through that prism, what nonsense. It does allow you to play the victim, though. Believe it or not (and I think I have demonstrated that here with several posts) I can criticize progressives (even you) without thinking that they are, take your pick; tards/unpatriotic/uninformed/lazy/communists/ or just stupid.

    Elitism much?

    Now you are just being silly, or did the joke about the light cream sauce inflame your delicate sensibilities?

    There are some posts that I put in some effort and expect to get some dialogue going, this was not one of those, it was filler, posted to give (some) folks a chuckle, then move on to something else. Never expected to get a Pulitizer, but then the criticisms came, of highly suspected editing (don’t we all suspect that, of all these types of videos?) and not being scientific (like i really thought it was), even ,”Damn it, this video doesn’t prove anything”, go figure.

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  21. CM

    Yes, that SOME college students are clueless about current events, where exactly would you like to run with that?

    I wouldn’t go anywhere with it myself. I wouldn’t read anything into it at all. Certainly wouldn’t equate it to saying everything is fine (aside from the polar bears) while the neighbours house is burning down. That implies a complete lack of consideration, and heartlessness. And certainly comes across as a definitive statement about priorities.

    Oh, please, that is your entire narrative here, namely that people criticize what you say because they can’t throw off their own “all libs are tards” shackles,all things are shot through that prism, what nonsense.

    It’s an observation rather than a narrative. As I say, I don’t need to alter or mangle what is being said. It’s a very brief but very accurate summary of specific things that are posted. Very little of that involves me.

    Believe it or not (and I think I have demonstrated that here with several posts) I can criticize progressives (even you) without thinking that they are, take your pick; tards/unpatriotic/uninformed/lazy/communists/ or just stupid.

    I have no doubt that you or others can. We can actually discuss things in detail, picking over arguments. Which just demonstrates how silly and self-defeating and unecessary ‘all libs are tards’ posts and rants are. They undermine and drag down the rest of it, and the potential for this to be so much better.

    Now you are just being silly, or did the joke about the light cream sauce inflame your delicate sensibilities?

    That did smack of promoting the whole ‘culture-war’ thing, or was a dig along the lines of class. I thought it was only liberals who ran those sort of arguments?

    There are some posts that I put in some effort and expect to get some dialogue going, this was not one of those, it was filler, posted to give (some) folks a chuckle, then move on to something else. Never expected to get a Pulitizer, but then the criticisms came, of highly suspected editing (don’t we all suspect that, of all these types of videos?) and not being scientific (like i really thought it was), even ,”Damn it, this video doesn’t prove anything”, go figure.

    In another thread (at the same time) there was discussion about ‘the state of things’ and this comes across as a continuation of that (especially given that I said I thought climate change was a more significant issue, and you make some comment about hand wringing over polar bears….might be a co-incidence but if so it’s an unfortunate one). So you get to mock a position taken in that other thread, but also get to dismiss it all as humor.

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