Raise Your Hand If You Are Surprised

The quietest member of SCOTUS caused some ruckus this week, not hard to do with the delicate sensibilities of the MSM;

Justice Clarence Thomas rarely speaks from the bench but his comments in less formal settings are often illuminating, often controversial — especially on race.
It is a topic that continues to engage the national debate, especially when it comes from the mind of the Supreme Court’s only African-American jurist.
Thomas spoke this week at a small gathering of students and faculty at a Florida college, where he echoed previous statements on the not-so subtle racism he remembers experiencing when leaving his native South.
“The worst I have been treated was by northern liberal elites. The absolute worst I have ever been treated,” the 65-year-old justice said. “The worst things that have been done to me, the worst things that have been said about me, are by northern liberal elites, not by the people of Savannah, Georgia,” his hometown.

Thomas knows full well the reasons behind their true colors being presented, the “northern liberal elites” don’t like it much when you wonder off the plantation (apologies in advance if any “slave” references offend, but I could not think of a better analogy). See, they pat themselves on the back for their tolerance and their ability to look past color, but diversity is defined by what you look like, diversity of thought is never countenanced, especially from a black man who strays from the party line, hence, the derision.

“My sadness is that we are probably today more race and difference-conscious than I was in the 1960s when I went to school,”

Clarence, obviously you know this is by design, racism (or the appearance of racism, manufactured or not) is a money maker. It gives legitimacy to those that have the most to gain, from the president (who campaigned on the positions of fairness and wealth redistribution), to the race hustlers (who would be unemployed and poor if there were no dragons to slay), but mostly the Democratic Party (who peddle in victimhood).

Thomas also made the news (albeit peripherally) because even black people are racist;

Alabama Democrat Says He Doesn’t Like Justice Clarence Thomas Because “He’s Married To A White Woman” – Update: Walks Back Comment, Then Calls Him An “Uncle Tom”…

Which posses another question. We all know how offensive the “N” word is but it is interesting to me that the term “uncle tom” is used so easily and often by the other side. I find that term just as offensive, and is there any doubt that if the ideology was turned and that phrase was used against blacks who were liberal (not conservative) how much holy stink would be made? The righteous indignation observed, it would be like, well, us calling them the “N” word. Someday I wish a reporter would ask Tim Scott what he really thinks about those “Uncle Tom” allegations from some of the black talking heads.

People like Thomas, Ben Carson, Allen West (born in Georgia)Herman Cain, and all the other successful minorities who made it and wrote their chapter in the American dream, those folks should be emulated and looked up to. Yeah, I guess I should include the president in that group, rising to the most powerful man in the world is laudable, incomplete history, records, school transcripts notwithstanding.

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  1. CM

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  2. richtaylor365 *

    Isn’t that just being actively “race and difference-conscious” though?!

    Well, the post was about one African American and his experiences with those that don’t countenance “his kind”, so in that aspect, sure. But the message is the same for anyone that has bettered himself, in whatever manifestation he chose, since that is the very essence of the American dream, to decide for yourself where on the social/economic ladder you want to be. I don’t follow rap music at all, but I know there are several examples in the rap community, guys who came from meager means, but decided to “go for it” to put in the effort to better themselves, and became hugely successful in the music industry, the same thing.

    I might be wrong here, but this suggests that campaigning for “fairness” and on the basis of greater “wealth redistribution” somehow legitimises racism?

    An entire post could be written on that one issue. It does not legitimize racism, but “fairness” is used (the way he uses it) to combat perceived racism within the black community. The same with wealth redistribution, it originates from a false premise of inequity, they have more than you and it’s not fair (or right).

    “diversity of thought is never countenanced” – and yet that’s proudly the attitude here :-)

    I know you are not going to like this, but there you go again whining because this blog is not fair and balanced. It is a right leaning blog, you know this, and yet because left leaning dogma is not embraced to your satisfaction you think you are being picked on.

    You have brought this up before, so lets put it on the table. I welcome any lefty out there that wants to come in and give it a go. But don’t be surprised if folks here bite back. Yes, I think the ad hominems were juvenile, but I can’t speak for anyone else but me.

    Yeah, I wish the personal attacks would stop, but that has not dissuaded you from participating at all. If you want a consensus, there are a number of other blogs out there that you would feel more simpatico with, but you come here, the price for that I guess is putting up with the cousin that eats with his mouth full, or the uncle that farts at the dinner table.

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  3. Hal_10000

    It’s always funny to watch the liberal press react in shock when they find out that Thomas is a very knowledgable and deep-thinking man who is very aware of race and racial history. This is a guy who listens to Malcolm X speeches and can tell you chapter and verse about how the first gun control laws were meant to strip weapons away from black people. His opinions are always very illuminating, even when I disagree with him. A number of court watchers think he is the driving force behind the Court’s originalism. In the end, I think he will turn out to be one of the most important SCOTUS judges of the last century.

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  4. AlexInCT

    It’s always funny to watch the liberal press react in shock when they find out that Thomas is a very knowledgable and deep-thinking man who is very aware of race and racial history.

    Actually it is downright insulting that this is the umpteenth time this has happened to them and it looks like they conveniently forget it every time only to be surprised the next time he runs circles around their stupid. And this phenomenon is not limited to just Thomas, but frankly to a whole bunch of people that are far, far, smarter than most, if not all, leftists are.

    In the end, I think he will turn out to be one of the most important SCOTUS judges of the last century.

    Contrast him, who needed to work double time to get where he got, with Black Jesus, and then do the math whom the left will pretend was more important or had a bigger (positive) impact.

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  5. AlexInCT

    Yeah, I wish the personal attacks would stop, but that has not dissuaded you from participating at all

    You mean being one of the people involved in most of the personal attacks I hope, and not that he continues to post here. CM can pretend that he is targeted unjustly, but that is bullshit. He is just pissed he is called out on his shit instead of being taken at his word, but that’s literally what these elitist leftists like CM are all about. He spams a whole bunch of idiotic links to biased lefty sites then gets pissed when we don’t bother with the bullshit propaganda. Worse, he acts wounded and pretends he wants to have an honest discussion, only to derail the conversation on technicalities.

    If he wants to be the dick he usually is, he should not expect to get a pass. Stop playing the victim. Actually stop pretending you want to engage in honest debate when there is nothing of the sort going on. And if you want an echo chamber, this is not the place for you. Those are usually leftist sites, where they ban people that do not parrot the talking points verbatim, after attacking you for idiotic things like your spelling or other such inconsequential things, things that serve only to distract from the fact they have nothing to contribute, or worse, are trying to avoid having to expose what they really believe in. I have had ample experience with those places, and it seems SOP for leftists when you call them on their shit.

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  6. richtaylor365 *

    It’s always funny to watch the liberal press react in shock when they find out that Thomas is a very knowledgable and deep-thinking man who is very aware of race and racial history.

    Um, more of their latent racism percolating to the surface? These are the same people that think Obama is the smartest man that ever lived. We have a lifetime of written evidence, including 20 years on The Supreme Court to evaluate the brain power of Thomas. But for Obama, his brilliance is based on how well he reads a teleprompter. What about his records, his prior writings? Locked up tight in Geraldo’s vault.

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  7. hist_ed

    “Certainly I would say that if there was a lot less actual (i.e real) racism (now and historically) the Democratic Party would be less powerful.”

    CM, the democratic party was the party of racism. I’d make some crack about you being a foreigner and thus unaware of US history, but sadly most Americans are unaware of this as well (I have colleagues who teach US history who don’t understand this). Democrats were the pro-slavery party prior to the Civil War, they were the anti-Reconstruction and pro Jim Crow party for the next century. People who worked against racism from Abraham Lincoln to Martin Luther King were republicans. The people who fought hardest to keep racist laws were democrats.

    And what about now? The Democratic party wants the government to treat people differently because of their race. The GOP doesn’t. Which stance is racist?

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  8. CM

    Well, the post was about one African American and his experiences with those that don’t countenance “his kind”, so in that aspect, sure.

    My comment was meant to be light-hearted – I assume picked that up. I agree that they should be role-models (and their politics don’t matter, if they are successful and well-respected then that’s what counts).

    An entire post could be written on that one issue. It does not legitimize racism, but “fairness” is used (the way he uses it) to combat perceived racism within the black community. The same with wealth redistribution, it originates from a false premise of inequity, they have more than you and it’s not fair (or right).

    Ok, thanks for expanding. I agree that this could be debated until the cows came home (cows of all colours).

    I know you are not going to like this

    That’s all fine. I just couldn’t help myself when I read that line. I’m totally aware that I can just leave if I want to.

    CM, the democratic party was the party of racism. I’d make some crack about you being a foreigner and thus unaware of US history, but sadly most Americans are unaware of this as well (I have colleagues who teach US history who don’t understand this).

    Strangely I got my highest mark at University in ‘America in the 20th Century’ (nothing to do with my degree, it was something I took out of interest, and we had the exam on the day Clinton beat Bush I). I’ve visited a lot of the key sites as well, spending a fair amount of time in The South (including with a history teacher from Huntsville, AL and another one in Greenville, AL). Nevertheless, I’d never pretend that I know more about any of it than any American. I’ll assume I don’t. These days of course it’s easy to look things up too.

    Democrats were the pro-slavery party prior to the Civil War, they were the anti-Reconstruction and pro Jim Crow party for the next century. People who worked against racism from Abraham Lincoln to Martin Luther King were republicans. The people who fought hardest to keep racist laws were democrats.

    Of course some argue that the old Democrats then became Republicans (after 1964, via the Southern Strategy, etc).
    The Democratic Party certainly has some shameful aspects to their history. Conversely the Republican Party sure has a lot to be genuinely proud of in theirs.

    And what about now? The Democratic party wants the government to treat people differently because of their race. The GOP doesn’t. Which stance is racist?

    Specifically what are you referring to? Affirmative action? I would say that all depends on your opinion on a whole lot of different things.
    Personally I don’t consider “treating people differently because of their race” to *necessarily* be ‘racist’ (in how I look at the definition anyway, in the sense that one group are being denied or held back because of their race).
    Is the Māori All Blacks team a racist concept?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_All_Blacks
    Are Māori electorates seats racist?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori_seats
    You’d have to look to the extreme fringe here to find people who would consider either of them ‘racist’. Certainly no political parties are seen as ‘racist’ for supporting them.

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  9. Xetrov

    By nature, any decision that is based on race, whether it is detrimental or beneficial to the race in question is racist. Anyone who can’t see that…I don’t know, leave them alone because clearly reality isn’t important to them.

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  10. richtaylor365 *

    I’m totally aware that I can just leave if I want to.

    I did not write that to make you feel unwelcome, but only to draw your attention to who your audience is.

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  11. CM

    By nature, any decision that is based on race, whether it is detrimental or beneficial to the race in question is racist. Anyone who can’t see that…I don’t know, leave them alone because clearly reality isn’t important to them.

    I tried to add some further explanation about how I see it. ‘Racism’ suggests only negative outcomes, but that’s just not the case when it comes to all decisions made on race. That’s my ‘reality’ anyway.

    I did not write that to make you feel unwelcome, but only to draw your attention to who your audience is.

    That’s how I took it. I don’t expect this place to be balanced, but even some attempt at fairness would be an improvement. I certainly wouldn’t expect “left leaning dogma” to be embraced.

    CM, off topic, but are you guys gonna change your flag this year? And what is it going to look like?

    Doubt we will, the government is raising it because it’s election year and they’ll struggle to win.
    I definitely think it’s time we did. The biggest opponents to change are obviously the service men and women who fought under the current flag and I certainly have sympathy with their position. But the simple fact is that we cut the apron strings with GB a long time ago now and so it’s time to lose the Union Jack and have a flag that represents us.
    I have not yet seen an alternative design that really jumps out at me as the obvious choice, however here are some leading candidates…(top left is the current one)
    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/assets/images/site/140130-Flags.jpg
    My pick would be the one at bottom right. I think we should keep the Southern Cross (partly because it’s on our current flag). But I love the koro/wave. Could possibly change some colours – black is what our atheletes and sports teams generally wear but not sure it’s so good on a flag. Perhaps a green and blue combo (green at the bottom could be rolling hills instead of waves, and a blue sky above with the Southern Cross). I definitely think we shoud steer clear of having the Silver Fern. That is an emblem/logo for sports teams and on touristy stuff.I think it looks tacky on a national flag. Anyway, that’s my 2c. YOU ASKED!

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  12. richtaylor365 *

    You guys should do it now. Canada changed theirs in the 60’s and suffered similar conflicts in obtaining a consensus (No doubt many thought a maple leaf was really dumb, now, it is easily recognizable and distinctive). I like the fern and the stars, two things that are identifiable with NZ. Maybe on a blue background, similar to the background you have now.

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  13. hist_ed

    “Nevertheless, I’d never pretend that I know more about any of it than any American. I’ll assume I don’t”

    You probably do know more than half of us, sad to say.

    “Of course some argue that the old Democrats then became Republicans (after 1964, via the Southern Strategy, etc).”

    Yeah one or two. But more old Democrats remained Democrats. Only as a Democrat could an ex Klan recruiter remain a powerful senator.

    “Specifically what are you referring to? Affirmative action? I would say that all depends on your opinion on a whole lot of different things.”

    Yes. Affirmative action is racist. It also, in the US, mainly benefits middle and upper class blacks (and victimizes Asians, as least at universities). I don’t think that, eg, the Obama daughters need a boost on their college chances vs, say, a poor white kid from the sticks who is the child of an alcoholic single mom.

    “Is the Māori All Blacks team a racist concept?” Yes, but if it’s private then its fine with me.

    “Are Māori electorates seats racist?” Yes. I just read you link and holy shit that’s racist. They originated with MPs “most of whom considered Māori “unfit” to participate in government {and} opposed Māori representation in Parliament.” Now, what, some wogs vote with the white people and some wogs vote for their own wog MPs? Yep, that’s racist.

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  14. CM

    Yeah one or two. But more old Democrats remained Democrats. Only as a Democrat could an ex Klan recruiter remain a powerful senator.

    Really? That’s certainly the opposite of everything I’ve ever read. Any recommended reading there, teach?

    Yes, but if it’s private then its fine with me.

    See nobody here would see it as ‘racist’. It’s a celebrated team that people (white people included) are proud of. Nobody is disadvantaged.

    Yes. I just read you link and holy shit that’s racist. They originated with MPs “most of whom considered Māori “unfit” to participate in government {and} opposed Māori representation in Parliament.” Now, what, some wogs vote with the white people and some wogs vote for their own wog MPs? Yep, that’s racist.

    The link notes that “Many conservative MPs, most of whom considered Māori “unfit” to participate in government, opposed Māori representation in Parliament”. I assume that’s what you are referring to.
    Yes, there are two electoral roles (voting registers). Maori can choose which one they go on. Non-Maori go on the regular one.
    Again, very few people here consider it racist. It’s hardly ever raised as an ‘issue’. Nobody is disadvantaged by it.

    As for the Clarence Thomas comments, I’m sure a lot of people were genuinely shaking their heads at his comments.

    But maybe the reason race came up so rarely was not that the racial situation was better in 1960s Georgia. Maybe the reason race came up rarely is that the racial situation in 1960s Georgia was extremely terrible.

    For instance, for the first 14 years of Thomas’s life, Georgia had zero African-Americans in its state legislature. Majority-black Terrell had a total of five registered black voters — possibly because African-Americans were so satisfied with their treatment that they didn’t see any reason to vote, or possibly because civil-rights activists in Georgia tended to get assassinated.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/02/thomas-nostalgic-for-race-neutral-1960s-georgia.html

    People didn’t talk about cancer in the ’50s either. That doesn’t mean it didn’t exist.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/02/clarence_thomas_childhood_in_georgia_images_and_video_of_the_south_show.html

    Nor was cancer any better for you in the 50’s.

    The same argument is made here – “Maori were treated better when I was young”. Yeah, sorry, that’s just utter bullshit. There is certainly a ‘grievance industry’ in Western countries in terms of their native peoples, but there is also an opposite denial-industry too.

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