What Are They Up To?

I get the need to justify your position with the appearance of diligence and purpose, and God knows that if any body needs a public relations make over, it’s Congress, but whenever a group of them get together and foment some totally useless endeavor (much like trying to defund Obamacare), it goes beyond scratching your head with ,”What are they thinking?”.

With all that is going on with the nation at present (we’ve been in worse shape in the past, noted, but clearly their sense of hierarchy needs work) a new bill coming down the pike would eliminate the death penalty for just about all federal crimes;

Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) and seven other Democrats have proposed legislation that would eliminate the possibility of imposing the death penalty for a range of federal offenses, including several categories of murder and crimes against the government like treason and espionage.

They cover just about every offense that would warrant the death penalty. Odd, but things like fire bombing an abortion clinic, or a company refusing to cater at a gay wedding, those are not exempted, would not want to remove all the teeth from the death penalty.

Clearly they must have some notion that this superfluous flummery will not see the light of day in the House or have even the remotest chance of becoming a law.

You think this has anything to do with Snowden or Tzarnaev? We know how much those bunch think Snowden is a patriot, and Tzarnaev, hell, they all want to adopt him, he is so cute.

With all the legitimate work staring them in the face (they still have to pass that bill that would fund Obama’s image being placed on Mt. Rushmore, money don’t grow on trees, don’t you know) this little diversion seems frivolous and a waste of time. I guess their latest mission (to exempt all their staffers from Obamacare, like they got for themselves) was a Mission Accomplished, time to move on to other things.

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  1. AlexInCT

    What they are doing is being the usual emotion driven idiots, they are. That’s what they are doing Rich. As usual, it sounds noble and well intended, but look under the covers and you will find them butt fucking some innocent as these things usually do.

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  2. Miguelito

    This seems to sorta fit here…

    I happened to notice the other day (Sunday I think) that there was an ep of Lockup on MSNBC (Bleh) focused on Sheriff Joe and the Maricopa County jail, So I went ahead and had my cable box record it. It was actually quite interesting.

    What made me laugh though was they clearly went into it thinking that Joe’s a scumbag, crazy right winger and the prisoners are abused. They ended up admitting he came across clear and wasn’t at all crazy, and even his idea for exercise bikes to help power TVs worked, when they made it sound like it wouldn’t. The inmates even liked it for both exercise and to watch TV other then the basics he puts on the regular TVs (weather channel, cspan, etc).

    The show’s people kept trying to find ways to show how horrible the jails were but really couldn’t find anything. The biggest complaints were about things like food, prisoners were saying they should have pizza and fried chicken instead of the meals they did have (which were pretty damn varied and balanced really).

    The best part though was when they talked to this woman that was the most feared person there.. she was in for torturing and killing a cop, and you could tell they scared of her. She was bat shit crazy though. They asked her to rank the worst of the worst and she did the usual that child molesters were the absolute worst but put any cop at 3rd worst (she HATES cops). They asked about murderers and she said something like, “you can’t put murderers in with bad people, if someone is murdered, you need to look at them for what they did to deserve it, not the person that killed them.”

    Anyway, it was just interesting to see a clearly left-leaning crew essentially fail to try to paint Joe as a nutbag or even show the jail as horrid. Even their best attempt to show the tent city bits as “worse then Iraq” were simply by talking to a soldier that was in who’d just come back and his complaints basically boiled down to, “at least soldiers are more free to move around and get better food.” Well no shit son.

    I did feel dirty having given whatever tiny bump to the ratings of MSNBC though.

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  3. Mook

    God knows that if any body needs a public relations make over, it’s Congress, but whenever a group of them get together and foment some totally useless endeavor (much like trying to defund Obamacare), it goes beyond scratching your head with ,”What are they thinking?”.

    Why do you think and all attempts to defend a monstrosity like Obamacare are a “totally useless endeavor”? From my perch, any attempt to stop it, including shutting down the federal govt. if that’s where the Democrats insist we go, are 100% justified. Do you think that Obamacare simply needs to be “tweaked” or do you think it’s fundamentally flawed and needs to be trashed?

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  4. richtaylor365 *

    Mook, I threw that in there more tongue and check, trolling really, didn’t think anyone would bite. And do you really want to rehash this all over again?

    Yes, I think the attempt to defund Obamacare falls very nicely in line with the very definition of a totally useless endeavor, since it had zero chance of accomplishing what it was designed to do. Tell me, what did it accomplish other than almost sending the Republicans to purgatory for yet another election? You can’t say ,”Well, it was a bad law and someone had to fight it”, too late on that account, and didn’t the majority of folks already know that it was bad, hence the large numbers against it in the polls? You can’t say ,”But, it was going to be a disaster if implemented so someone needed to stop it”, baloney. The GOP hissy fit to defund did not do that, the actual roll out did. Once implemented, it fell right on its face like we knew it would. To even say ,”The people were against it so the GOP was just doing the people’s bidding”, even that is weak. They had no power to do the people’s bidding other then delay the inevitable, and they eventually caved and relented, like we knew they would, and why? Because they don’t have the votes, plain and simple. And even worse, the initial roll out of Obamacare was paid for in the last continuing resolution, so it was going to start Oct. 1st, no matter how much the GOP stumped their feet and held their breath.

    Funny, but they should have known (like we all did) that once implemented, there would exist a groundswell of opposition, getting out of way and watching the train wreck unfold would have been a better strategy.

    Do you think that Obamacare simply needs to be “tweaked” or do you think it’s fundamentally flawed and needs to be trashed?

    The last part, (you really had to ask me that?) but the obvious needs to be pointed out, the GOP does not have the votes to do anything but make silly symbolic gestures, is that all you care about? I would prefer winning back the Senate and maybe even the Presidency, then the GOP could actually do something more effective and actually effect policy, there’s an idea.

    I really like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, and think they (and others) are part of the new GOP, great, we need new blood but Cruz and others of his ilk should thank the gods that the rollout , the website snafus, were even worse then initially imagined, because all those independents that blamed his group for the shut down and turned against the GOP have now turned against the president. Let’s hope it lasts.

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  5. Xetrov

    Rich, your post made me think of something…I’m surprised that the Obama Administration has not tried blaming the website disaster on the previous government shutdown…”we could have fixed it if we didn’t have to shut down development due to the funding debacle caused by Republicans.”

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  6. richtaylor365 *

    Yeah, that would be consistent with the way they operate, but even a cursory examination would expose them;

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013

    Much of the Affordable Care Act is funded by previously authorized and mandatory spending, rather than discretionary spending, and the presence or lack of a continuing resolution did not affect it. Some of the law’s funds also come from multiple-year and “no-year” discretionary funds that are not affected by a lack of a continuing resolution.[14]

    Slightly OT but did you see that yet another judge slammed Obama for the way he is playing fast and loose with the Constitution;

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/18/judge-blasts-obama-governance-by-secret-law/

    Jeese, if only the MSM would pay attention.

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  7. Mook

    Mook, I threw that in there more tongue and check, trolling really, didn’t think anyone would bite

    Yet you spend paragraphs defending it.

    Tell me, what did it accomplish other than almost sending the Republicans to purgatory for yet another election?

    It cemented in the minds of voters that Tea Party Republicans are/were the ONLY ones who actively oppose Obamacare. The “this is a futile hissyfit” milquetoast Republicans ala McCain, Chambliss, Lamar Alexander et al. are Democrat-lite do nothings who wouldn’t strip Obamacare even if they had control. People NEEDED to hear Ted Cruz make his case and shame on other Republicans for not standing by his side saying the same thing. The less often Republicans take a stand like Cruz did, the more often Republicans have the decks stacked against them.

    I can’t control how the media spinned the shutdown since Democrats are equally guilty. Congress has Constitutionally mandated fiduciary responsibility and it’s perfectly within their enumerated powers to refuse to fund legislation which is disastrous for the nation.

    What we we’ve had for years since Obama was elected is government running without a Constitutionally required budget for legal authorization of spending, spending money we do not have to the extreme, borrowing to the point of insolvency with no end in sight, and a President making unconstitutional changes to Obamacare on the fly without Congressional approval. That SOMEONE stood up to yell STOP was necessary no matter whether it worked or not.. Interesting to hear that you feel the opposite.

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  8. richtaylor365 *

    Yet you spend paragraphs defending it.

    Hey, you asked and I answered, or would you prefer I just ignore you?

    It cemented in the minds of voters that Tea Party Republicans are/were the ONLY ones who actively oppose Obamacare.

    The voters already knew that, the defunding stunt did nothing to cement that fact.

    The “this is a futile hissyfit” milquetoast Republicans ala McCain, Chambliss, Lamar Alexander et al. are Democrat-lite do nothings who wouldn’t strip Obamacare even if they had control

    Ya think so? So I guess according to you it matters little whether we win Congress next year or not because the right is populated by, how did you put it, ” do nothings who wouldn’t strip Obamacare even if they had control “. I happen to think that if they did win control then most certainly they would defang Obamacare since then (and only then) they would have a mandate from the people.

    People NEEDED to hear Ted Cruz make his case and shame on other Republicans for not standing by his side saying the same thing.

    What case did he make exactly? The case that the GOP was against Obamacare (already been made), or was it the case that without the Senate on their side, and the ability to override Obama’s veto, all this was empty bluster?

    The less often Republicans take a stand like Cruz did, the more often Republicans have the decks stacked against them.

    Decks aside, the only way the GOP will be allowed to achieve anything useful is when they start winning elections, before then, all they have is theater.

    President making unconstitutional changes to Obamacare on the fly without Congressional approval.

    More reasons to start winning elections, this way good honest people, those that respect the law , can get judgeships and can rule on his blatant unconstitutional acts, and Republicans can chair Congressional committees, these same committees that could even impeach his ass.

    That SOMEONE stood up to yell STOP was necessary no matter whether it worked or not

    They had been saying “stop” way before the defunders ever got started, this stunt in no way punctuated the outrage.

    Interesting to hear that you feel the opposite.

    There is more than one way to skin a cat. I think we have the same goals and I like both your passion and that of the TP, but sniping from the sidelines is not for me, we need the gavel.

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  9. Xetrov

    Nice post Rich. As far as

    President making unconstitutional changes to Obamacare on the fly without Congressional approval.

    It aint over yet.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/19/administration-announces-new-obamacare-exemption/

    The Obama administration, in an 11th-hour change just before the holiday break,announced a major exemption in ObamaCare that will let people who lost coverage and are struggling to get a new plan sign up for bare-bones policies.

    The move Thursday to allow potentially hundreds of thousands of people to sign up for “catastrophic” coverage plans was blasted by the insurance industry as a shift that would cause “tremendous instability.”

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  10. Mook

    The voters already knew that, the defunding stunt did nothing to cement that fact.

    Your response is almost cartoonish in how well it would fit for cable TV. “You might be RINO if you believe Cruz’s principled stand was a “stunt”.

    “You might be a RINO if you believe that John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and/or Saxby Chambiliss in any way, shape or form represent the “right”… as you characterized them above.

    Hey, you asked and I answered, or would you prefer I just ignore you?

    It was shitty and condescending as hell of you to state that anyone who disagrees with your characterization of Cruz’s stand as a “useless endeavor” responding to “troll bait”. I expect that from Hal maybe.. but not you. Thanks for pulling down the mask to show what you really think.

    What case did he make exactly? The case that the GOP was against Obamacare (already been made)

    You’re dead wrong that the case was “already made”… the public had been lead to believe that Republicans opposed Obamacare only because Obama was black or because Repubs hated poor people. That you deny that people needed to be forcefully reminded that Republicans actually opposed Obamcare out of principle, and reasons behind their opposition, hurts your credibility and speaks to poor judgment on your part. In point of fact, it’s something the public NEEDED to hear, they needed to be reminded of the reasons and you’re wrong to assume that it didn’t need to be restated over and over.

    I think we have the same goals and I like both your passion and that of the TP, but sniping from the sidelines is not for me, we need the gavel.

    That you demean Cruz’s principled stand as “sniping from the sidelines” is more condescending bullshit. Seriously, do any real conservatives talk like you talk?
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  11. richtaylor365 *

    Mook, come on man, you seriously want to go there? The “trolling ” comment was just a joke, the whole post about the the dems trying to get rid of the death penalty and how futile the attempt will be, I threw in some jokes about Mt. Rushmore, Tarnaev, fire bombing abortion clinics, but everything is lost on you except one little comment about this being like Cruz and his attempt to defund Obamacare, and you ran with it. Not being satisfied that folks on the right might not share the same opinions on everything as you, you go and throw out the RINO charge, and challenge my conservative bonfides, really?

    Take a day off, brother, and revisit this post,I have no doubt that you are going to be embarrassed by the way you flew off the handle and attacked one of your own.

    If you want to firebomb everything and start over, that’s cool, but you won’t get anything done that way.

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  12. Poosh

    But Rich, twas it not the content of Ted Cruz that made it so impressive and necessary? You say “the voters” but is it not the case that, I think this is correct, the majority of citizens have almost no knowledge of anything in politics other than vague echoes? Are not stunts such as Ted Cruz good ways of flagging these issues up and getting more people involved?

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  13. richtaylor365 *

    , twas it not the content of Ted Cruz that made it so impressive and necessary?

    Impressive? Sure, I thought back then and I still think that Ted Cruz rocks. Was it necessary? I guess that it what we are debating now. You say that the voters don’t pay attention to stuff like this, yet overwhelmingly poll after poll after poll had the voters dead set against Obamacare, even before the website snafus. If you want to believe, as Mook does, that this stunt somehow soured the public even more on Obamacare, we can even debate that, and I certainly won’t call you a RINO in the process.

    I followed along as Cruz took this stand, I watched the filibuster and most of the time I was cheering him on, but none of that goes against the whole point of my post, that being useless endeavors, attempting the impossible of getting something passed without the votes present.

    If you noticed back when all this was timely, when Hal posted on it and Mook was all over him, I did not get involved in that whole debate because I kinda liked what Cruz was doing, even though I knew it was a useless endeavor. And I’m still scratching my head over out of that whole post above and all the tongue and check stuff I wrote, how this is getting all the attention, go figure.

    Are not stunts such as Ted Cruz good ways of flagging these issues up and getting more people involved?

    I guess, if you can demonstrably prove that more people are in fact “involved” whatever the hell that even means. Considering the firestorm of opposition present even before the defunding attempt, I don’t know if you can prove this. Of course you would also have to prove (easier to do now that the rollout has really poisoned the Obamacare well) that this action did not hurt more than help and if you remember, many Independents (those same people we are going to need if we have any hope of winning any elections in the future) turned against the GOP.

    Given all the whiz bang computer geeks on the Obama payroll, let’s pretend for just a moment that the roll out was not a disaster, that they actually knew what they were doing, that crashes did not occur all over the place and that people could sign up for affordable (code word “subsidized”) coverage. Sure, our side would still be screaming about the process and how bad Obamacare is, but all those Obama voters that got the crashes, got the high deductibles and the high monthly payments and are now soured on their Messiah, they would still be feeling the love and still more apt to vote Democrat next year.

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  14. Poosh

    “involved” in a publicity sense. Talking about it, following it up online – reading blogs etc.

    I am sure it is a common stat across Western countries that the majority don’t actually vote / are not actually involved with politics. I know that’s what the polls say about Obamacare, but are they from samples of people with political opinions or blind, from across the board?

    Hah I appreciate this is a tangent. Come to think of it my memory seems to be telling me there are actually polls that say the above behavior actually damaged the GOP? Couldn’t tell you where though, maybe my memory is playing tricks on me.

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  15. Xetrov

    Are not stunts such as Ted Cruz good ways of flagging these issues up and getting more people involved?

    Unless your average “majority of citizens [who] have almost no knowledge of anything in politics other than vague echoes” are watching C-span, they have no idea what he did. They probably don’t even know who he is.

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