Degrees Of Evil

New information has been trickling through concerning the Westgate Mall attack in Nairobi, information that is absolutely chilling and I’ve been thinking about how we view terrorists in general. Some obvious questions come to mind. Granted all terrorists deserve to die (not imprisoned, mind you) but be removed from existence (better for them, better for us) but is the yardstick of American blood the only measure of urgency in going after these guys? Should the method, the targets or even the intent behind their murderous acts, should these weigh one way or the other in how passionate and resolved we are in their pursuit? Does a suicide bomber, say a 18 year old kid who has been fed a steady diet of “death to the infidels and the pig Jews” all his life by the local imam, who walks into a crowded marketplace and blows himself up along with all the innocents within a 50′ radius, is he on the same shitbag scale as his handler or the original imam? How about the Tsarnaev brothers, who knew better and had witnessed freedom first hand but still decided to mass murder, where do they stand on the evil meter?

A diligent effort should be made to go after any and all terrorists, that’s for sure, but something changed, drastically, in Nairobi. See, unlike Mumbai, where the terrorists shot everyone indiscriminately, these guys went above and beyond. All the hostages were separated Entebbe style, Muslims over here and non Muslims over there, that is when the horrors began:

Soldiers told of the horrific torture meted out by terrorists in the Nairobi mall massacre yesterday with claims hostages were dismembered, had their eyes gouged out and were left hanging from hooks in the ceiling.
Men were said to have been castrated and had fingers removed with pliers before being blinded and hanged.
Children were found dead in the food court fridges with knives still embedded in their bodies, it was claimed.

Come to think of it, there was an element of this in Mumbai, I remember that Jewish couple,The Holtzbergs, they got special treatment above that of the other victims before they were murdered. But it was nothing like this, I wonder what Koran verses the attackers fell back on to justify this method of savagery.

This kind of torturing the hostages, this is a sea-change from what we have seen in the past and I wonder if this is isolated to al Shabaab or can we expect this kind of behavior from now on.

I guess I should not have expected much from the Nairobi police but this 4 day stand off reminded me of Munich and those bumbling stumbling law enforcement guys that could do nothing right and pretty much sealed the fate of those Israeli athletes. These guys decided to use RPG’s which brought down all 3 stories when stress columns were damaged.

And I was surprised that only 5 terrorists were killed with 10 captured, some sources says 8 were captured

Most of the defeated terrorists, meanwhile, were reportedly discovered ‘burnt to ashes’, set alight by the last extremist standing to try to protect their identities.

Is wasn’t one last extremist but several, and your identities will easily by discovered since you didn’t have the balls to go down fighting.

Yes, we do drone strikes in Somalia, but given the nature of this attack would Kenya be justified in go into Somalia the way we went into Afghanistan after 9-11? How much help should we give them? is al Shabaab now public enemy number one (they have bragged that this is only the opening salvo with more to come)? Is this the new strategy of terrorists regimes around the world, make it personal?

The common folk like us, we are not privy to all the back channel communications between the Kenyan government and our own but in keeping with Obama’s self made persona of America’s great terror warrior ,”Yes, Mr. President, we know, OBL is dead and AQ is on the run” if there is any way we can lend a hand in taking care of that Somali roach problem they got, I say let’s roll. The African Union would welcome it, and any opportunity to garner some good will around the world (we sure could use it) should not be an opportunity wasted.

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  1. Poosh

    The Islamic attack in Mumbai did include this not unusual treatment of non-muslims. Jews were tortured at they very least – it was undereported for obvious reasons. And some Muslims (perhaps many) were given mercy if they were believed to be Muslim. It is not unusual for Islamist foot soldiers to commit torture, this is permitted in Islam, the purpose presumably (assuming Allah isn’t real) is to spread fear in non-believers. The terrorists did not have to fall back on anything, it’s quite clear what they did was acceptable (unless they were nationals of Kenya, but even then they still have some legitimate claim to violence). Remember the Russian school attack by Islamists? Plenty of reports of torture (and even rape) though I can’t remember if that was verified.

    A lot of the time the Koran is miss-quoted (often my so-called Muslim spokesmen, who are often just mouthpieces for Islamists, who are self appointed and not representative of the actual Muslim communities in teh west), where they say if you kill an innocent, it’s as if you killed all of mankind. If a Muslim says this, he is lying to you. The verse, the sentence before, states clearly this does not apply to those who are “corrupt” or some such i.e it only applies to Muslims.

    “”Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them.” – Qur’an (8:12)

    That might be why they went to town on some of their fingertips…. there is no “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” in Islam. You’d think after 9/11 people got the point… but still, we’re trying to pretend the Koran (and the secondary texts) are somehow the same as the Bible. There is no Jesus, in the Koran, who comes up at the end and says “yeah, all that violent stuff, delete it…” in fact the opposite is true in Islam.

    In many ways it’s better that the Islamists did separate the Muslims out and let them go. Better for innocent Muslims to live, then be killed with the rest.

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  2. Hal_10000

    It’s only a matter of time until al Shabaab makes a direct strike on us. While I don’t want to see an African war, drone strikes and special ops and intel to help them root these fuckers out would be a good idea.

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  3. Poosh

    “It’s only a matter of time until al Shabaab makes a direct strike on us. ”

    Well, why do you think they haven’t already? I’ll grant that Obama’s admin leaks a lot but generally speaking most Islamic attacks, when foiled, do not, for various reasons, reach the public.

    But there are many Islamic groups, it’s a global war after all – as luck would have it though, most of them are flocking to Syria right now … (admittedly killing Christians as well). There really is no win-win situation.

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  4. HARLEY

    It’s only a matter of time until al Shabaab makes a direct strike on us.

    Im very surprised that a Mubi/Nairobi has not yet happed here in the United States… it will happen its only a matter of time, god help us all …for those caught in it and the reaction afterwards

    While I don’t want to see an African war, drone strikes and special ops and intel to help them root these fuckers out would be a good idea.

    As in Afg, it would be another endless game of Wack-a-mole…

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  5. Thrill

    They haven’t done it because they want to keep the doorway open for their family members to continue migrating here and don’t want to ham the flow of much-needed money back to Somalia.

    I can’t say if an attack by al-Shabaab is inevitable or not, but I can definitely say that the Somali community itself is the best guarantee against the possibility that we have. In the past, they have done a good job of communicating concerns about radicalization among their own to the FBI.

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  6. AlexInCT

    They haven’t done it because they want to keep the doorway open for their family members to continue migrating here and don’t want to ham the flow of much-needed money back to Somalia.

    Same reason that the IRA never attacked anyone in the US.

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