Our Cup Runneth Over

Go big or go home, you are either the hero or the goat, winner take all, last man standing, and as Iceman said, the trophy for second place is located in the ladies room next to the Tampon dispenser.

For the uninitiated a curious event will take place in about 7 hours, precipitated by a little boating race being held in the beautiful idyllic waters of the San Francisco Bay, an event which will ultimately cause the demise of approx. half the walking human population of New Zealand, and resulting in a mass suicide, the likes of which has not been seen since Masada. But even Masasa will seem like a garden party when the day is done, what a great day to own stock in a razor blade company.

I thought I would get this off of that oh so tedious global warming post and build it a home of its own. The last race of the America’s Cup is slated for about 1pm PST. Yeah, I know, it’s hard for the hoi polli to relate to a bunch of rich guys tooling around in one of their latest purchased toys, but admit it, if you were loaded you would also own a yacht. And what better way to measure dick size among the hoity-toity then exhibiting your ability to “man” a sea craft (as with the ladies).

Wealth and a competitive nature go hand in hand, and Larry Ellison (the guy that practically invented the concept of ripping off your head and shitting down your throat) reflects the nature perfectly. Buying an entire Hawaiian Island is passe’, for the well healed, crushing an opponent on a world stage then circling back to piss on his burning heap, that is de rigueur.

I won’t go into the history of the America’s Cup, let’s just say that there is a legitimate reason it is called the America’s Cup ( I thought those stodgy Brits were supposed to be the masters of the sea?). But history will be made today, regardless of which way it turns, both in terms of the number of races and the closeness of the competition.

I admit, I am no fan of the current arrangement. The past winner gets to decide not only venue, but race rules, and what type of craft to use (I expect some future winner opting for solar powered jet ski’s), but there is talk of returning to the monohull type, bring back the clipper ships.

One could say that the Kiwi’s are more deserving, after all, what else do they have? The Americans could lose and it would not register a blip on any national radar, but down under (can we still use that term for you guys?) diddling sheep and boat racing is about it. I am also not thrilled about the state sponsoring their entry, brings back memories of the Soviet Union and how they handled their athletes (were those buffed out steroid ridden East German female weight lifters stunning, or what?)

I suspect that very few NZ’ers will be going in to work today, although the race is early enough there time that they could still have their good cry post race and still manage. From 8 to 1 up, to now tied 8 to 8, the hand wringing is enormous.

I will congratulate Emirates Team New Zealand (I guess that oil money was pretty enticing, uh?) now for a valiant effort. I suspect that much like a South American soccer team that loses the big one, the crew of ETNZ will be going into witness protection at the end of the day.

OK, seriously ,CM and Cress, good luck today and may the best team win. For the rest of us, batten down the hatches, reset the topgallons, and hoist the mizzen, I will be on my second Anchor Steam come race time.

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  1. Seattle Outcast

    I stopped giving a damn about the cup when it became a contest of who had the most money to throw at technology rather than actual sailing ability.

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  2. richtaylor365 *

    I’ll have to disagree on that SO, there is a tremendous amount of sailing ability and skill present at this America’s Cup. Both boats are virtually identical, but in each race there are numerous times when the boat skipper has to make a decision. Unlike NASCAR where you get behind a guy and drive like hell, here you are dealing with the caprices of weather, wind and current, your abilities alone propel the ship across the finish line.

    In yesterday’s second race the Kiwi’s were well into the lead, they should have won, but a bad decision while tacking on leg 3 (they did not cross on the starboard tack but decided to tack parallel and square up with Team Oracle) cost them the race.

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  3. Seattle Outcast

    I know there was a time when it was nothing but “who can buy the fastest boat” competition – sure, we got some great new technology out it, but it somehow wasn’t appealing to me to pay attention to it any longer. It must not have been an uncommon thought because it stopped showing up on TV, or even being mentioned in the news any longer.

    I’m glad that it’s changed back to a real competition of sailing ability.

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  4. AlexInCT

    I think I would be more interested if these sailors were allowed to ram or board each other. Maybe add some cannons so they can also shoot at each other. Arm them with swords and single shot pistols. Recruit people with peg legs and eye patches to sail these ships. Oh yeah, also make sure they have some booty. I mean the treasure kind, although the other kind is also cool…

    Hey, I see a pattern emerging here….

    BTW, before you think me uncout and just jealous, let me point out that I am a proficient mariner, and while I prefer motor boats, also a very good sailor, but I would never watch this stuff. It’s just too boring, Just like golf and tennis. Given a choice I would rather watch paint dry on a wall.

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  5. ilovecress

    Yeah – so this is happening. Commentator just said “It is what it is. And what it is – is extremely bad.”

    Ah well, I’m a Brit.

    ps – Alex, you’re so dreamy.

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  6. salinger

    ps – Alex, you’re so dreamy.

    Exactly – is there nothing this man cannot do? *swoon*

    (I mean, of course, besides using vocabulary correctly, spelling and speaking proper English.)

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  7. CM

    “I stopped giving a damn about the cup when it became a contest of who had the most money to throw at technology rather than actual sailing ability.”

    What happened in this event certainly underlines why you stopped watching. For a start, almost nobody could afford to take part. The event has been a farce from that perspective alone.
    Can you think of any sporting event where a team/competitor comes back from the brink of defeat and wins because of ability to significantly change the equipment, and spend whatever it takes to do so (during the actual event)? I can’t.
    Congrats to Larry Ellison and his team. In the end they simply had the resources to do whatever it took to get the faster boat. At least ETNZ will know there was nothing they could do – in the last race they won the start, led around the first mark, made no mistakes, and simply got beaten because the Oracle boat is now faster.

    “In yesterday’s second race the Kiwi’s were well into the lead, they should have won, but a bad decision while tacking on leg 3 (they did not cross on the starboard tack but decided to tack parallel and square up with Team Oracle) cost them the race.”

    I thought that too initially but in retrospect and looking at it again (and as confirmed by today’s race) we wouldn’t have been able to hold Oracle off anyway, even if we had done so at that point. How would that not have happened? There is only so much you can do against a faster boat.

    “Exactly – is there nothing this man cannot do? *swoon*”

    Stop telling about how amazing he is at everything?

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  8. CM

    “I am also not thrilled about the state sponsoring their entry, brings back memories of the Soviet Union and how they handled their athletes (were those buffed out steroid ridden East German female weight lifters stunning, or what?)”

    Then you wouldn’t have even had a challenger series. It would have been just Luna Rossa and Oracle. Even more of a sham. And at least ETNZ actually represented the country, and the sailors on-board were almost entirely New Zealanders.
    Don’t worry though, I’m pretty sure that’s it for New Zealand competing in the event. It won’t affect the actual sailors too much though – they’ll sail for whoever pays them to sail.

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  9. AlexInCT

    Exactly – is there nothing this man cannot do? *swoon*

    Well I have never given birth, and never will, have not flown in the Space Shuttle, which was one of my childhood dreams, and never went the 15 rounds I wanted to with Meg Ryan when I was younger, Sally. But if your question is about can do, I have to admit that I have never been afraid to do or try anything, the exception being drugs and same sex engagements, and not out of fear, but because neither appealed to me. I am always looking for something new and different to do.

    Considering I honestly sleep between 3 and 5 hours a night, sometimes going as many as 2 or 3 days without sleep, since I had a concussion at the age of 15 and ended up with this sleeping disorder, I have lots of free time. Couple that all with the fact that I have had the experience of extensive travel, living in many countries, including on a small island where you either did things on/in the ocean or you had nothing to do, and you see that I have ample opportunities to do & learn all sorts of things. I have even recently started thinking of taking up some carpentry to fill in the dead hours. Always been fascinated by that stuff but never been serious about it.

    (I mean, of course, besides using vocabulary correctly, spelling and speaking proper English.)

    Hey man, I am an engineer by education, a software developer by trade, and take pride that I actually know something of value other than how to look down on people, because unlike me they have better things to do than to bother with spell checking. People that are obsessive about grammar and language are usually the kinds with nothing better to contribute, because that’s the extent of their life experience and knowledge. BTW, my problem usually is that I end up thinking in whatever language I am speaking at that time, and working with people that think it is cool to accost me in different languages, often leaves me handicapped when multi-tasking. I could spend hours reading and rereading, but I am not bothered by pissants that think complaining about proper English needs to be mandatory on a blog of all places. I have been stalked by far more knowledgeable creeps and language Nazis than you, and found it quite endearing.

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  10. CM

    “But if your question is about can do, I have to admit that I have never been afraid to do or try anything except for drugs and same sex situations, and not out of fear, but because neither appealed to me.”

    I bet you’d be sensational at both though.

    “I am even thinking of taking up some carpentry to fill in the dead hours”

    You’re about as close to being Jesus as it’s possible to be.

    “BTW, my problem usually is that I end up thinking in whatever language I am speaking at that time”

    Not even parody goes this far.

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  11. richtaylor365 *

    ” For a start, almost nobody could afford to take part. ”

    Definitely a problem and one that everyone including Ellison recognizes. Getting the price down on these boats to bring in more participants, they are working on it.

    “Can you think of any sporting event where a team/competitor comes back from the brink of defeat and wins because of ability to significantly change the equipment, and spend whatever it takes to do so (during the actual event)? I can’t.”

    After the race the commentators were discussing how stupid the ETNZ team was in revealing so many of their sailing secrets during the Louis Vuitton Cup, they had to know Team Oracle USA was paying attention, they showed their cards too soon. But just watching today’s race, holy smokes, your guys got schooled big time, it was men competing against boys. Even with a bad start, and both teams sailing a pretty flawless race, the boat speed of Team Oracle was the difference.

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  12. AlexInCT

    “I am also not thrilled about the state sponsoring their entry, brings back memories of the Soviet Union and how they handled their athletes (were those buffed out steroid ridden East German female weight lifters stunning, or what?)”

    SHE PEES STANDING UP!

    That’s a man, baby!

    I heard that someone said the Chinese swimmers during the Beijing Olympics also were the people at that event with the largest male members, and hairy ugly things, if you know what I am saying.

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  13. CM

    “Definitely a problem and one that everyone including Ellison recognizes. Getting the price down on these boats to bring in more participants, they are working on it.”

    But that’s what they said before they started, so Ellison “recognising” it rings very hollow. They did the exact opposite of what they promised. And as I say it will have ramification beyond this event, as the NZ Government is unlikely to part-fund a NZ campaign again.

    “After the race the commentators were discussing how stupid the ETNZ team was in revealing so many of their sailing secrets during the Louis Vuitton Cup, they had to know Team Oracle USA was paying attention, they showed their cards too soon.”

    What secrets? Oracle only got significantly better half-way into the America’s Cup after Ellison flew a dozen boatbuilders from Warkworth up there, to copy what ETNZ had done (and then go further with it). They didn’t copy ETNZ during the latter stages of the LVC, or in the break between the LVC and the AC.

    “But just watching today’s race, holy smokes, your guys got schooled big time, it was men competing against boys. Even with a bad start, and both teams sailing a pretty flawless race, the boat speed of Team Oracle was the difference.”

    Boat speed was entirely the difference.
    Not sure I understand what you mean by your first sentence – nobody got schooled in terms of actual sailing ability. It was the opposite of “men competing against boys”. This final race showed that a campaign with unlimited funds is ultimately going to prevail over a campaign with limited funds.

    Of course ETNZ would have still won the event if they didn’t have that farcical 40-min race limit rule, given that we were about 1 min from winning before it was abandoned. That was a complete joke.But rules are rules, no matter how ridiculous they are.

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  14. salinger

    Well I have never given birth, and never will, have not flown in the Space Shuttle, which was one of my childhood dreams, and never went the 15 rounds I wanted to with Meg Ryan when I was younger, Sally. But if your question is about can do, I have to admit that I have never been afraid to do or try anything, the exception being drugs and same sex engagements, and not out of fear, but because neither appealed to me. I am always looking for something new and different to do…

    …and blah blah blah blah Ad nauseam.

    My god man, just who are you trying to impress?

    That concussion at 15 just must have left you with the biggest inferiority complex on the planet. At the least it seems to have frozen your emotional development in its tracks – which does make your comments a bit less mystifying.

    because unlike me they have better things to do than to bother with spell checking.

    It’s not so much the spelling – a typo here or there is par for the course. It’s the utter misuse of words and butchering of simple grammar rules that lends an uneducated taint to your comments. If you don’t care enough about what you are writing to use correct grammar why should anyone care about what you’ve written?

    I’ll go back to ignoring you now – Meg Ryan is at the door, I have a barn to build, a SuperCollider to repair and a Mongolian cook book to translate before preparing each meal between its covers – good thing I never sleep.

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  15. Section8

    “I think there’s a very good chance that this was the final act for Team New Zealand (20 years after forming).”

    Because the lost? Quitters :)

    Don’t worry CM. No one in America is going to gloat like you would have done, because this draws about as much national attention as the neighborhood horseshoe tournament. Probably less.

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  16. CM

    “Because the lost? Quitters :)”

    Hahaha. That’s something they could never be accused of. They almost didn’t make this campaign, and only just managed to convince the Government that $30 million would be a sound investment.
    This is the third failed campaign in a row.

    “Don’t worry CM. No one in America is going to gloat like you would have done, because this draws about as much national attention as the neighborhood horseshoe tournament. Probably less.”

    Yep, we’re all aware of how it’s non-news over there. They had to actually pay NBC to put it on television. Here I think over 30% of the population has been watching some of the races.

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  17. richtaylor365 *

    “What secrets?”

    I don’t know, I’m no sailor, but they listed about 3 or 4 very technical sounding maneuvers that were at the time untested by the USA team.

    “Oracle only got significantly better half-way into the America’s Cup after Ellison flew a dozen boatbuilders from Warkworth up there, to copy what ETNZ had done”

    And what stopped ETNZ from following suit once they realized they were getting their lunch eaten 7 races in a row? It certainly was not lack of oil money. Any competitor in any sport knows that if something is not working and you are behind, a tactical change is probably in order.

    “Not sure I understand what you mean by your first sentence”

    Again, my sailing ignorance is showing, but much was mentioned over the clean lines run and the aggressive turns executed by the Americans.

    “Of course ETNZ would have still won the event if they didn’t have that farcical 40-min race limit rule, given that we were about 1 min from winning before it was abandoned. That was a complete joke.But rules are rules, no matter how ridiculous they are.”

    And given the absolutely ridiculous 2 race fine for an infraction that would have gone undetected if not for the honesty and integrity of the USA team in identifying the weight position (a 5 pound weight improperly placed on a boat that weighs in excess of 12,500 pounds, really) and which weight was moved by an employee without the knowledge of the skipper (so nothing nefarious was going on), yes, rules are rules. But the general consensus over here was that the fine was total overkill, the stiffest in AC history, so in actuality the USA team won 11 races to your 8.

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  18. CM

    “I don’t know, I’m no sailor, but they listed about 3 or 4 very technical sounding maneuvers that were at the time untested by the USA team.”

    Which begs the question – why did they leave it so late?
    Ultimately they could afford to. They even had Boeing design and install an automatic hydraulic system which stabilisers the boat when up on the foils. That’s purely about money, nothing to do with sailing ability. You don’t need to know anything about sailing – you just pay people who do.
    Whereas ETNZ ran out of money and they simply couldn’t do what OTUSA did to make their boat faster. ETNZ led the development curve in the new AC72 class the entire way, but Oracle, with their superior money and resources, caught up with them and overtook them in the nick of time.
    There’s simply no getting around it.
    The good thing is that it makes it easier to swallow, even though it’s ultimately very depressing from a ‘sport’ point of view.

    And what stopped ETNZ from following suit once they realized they were getting their lunch eaten 7 races in a row? It certainly was not lack of oil money.

    Yes, money. They had a limited budget, and spent everything they had. Emirates were the main sponsor, but they aren’t the owners of ETNZ. The ETNZ budget was absolutely limited, whereas the Oracle budget was effectively unlimited.
    Not sure why you’re going on about ‘oil money’.

    Any competitor in any sport knows that if something is not working and you are behind, a tactical change is probably in order.

    What sort of ‘tactical change’ can overcome a faster boat?
    None is the answer. The last 7 races suggested it but that last race proved it.

    This is not the same as any other sport – as I say, can you think of any sporting event where a team/competitor comes back from the brink of defeat and wins because of ability to significantly change the equipment, and spend whatever it takes to do so (during the actual event)? I can’t.

    “Again, my sailing ignorance is showing, but much was mentioned over the clean lines run and the aggressive turns executed by the Americans.”

    Sure, you still need to get the boat around the course. But ultimately speed is always going to win. A slower boat in front can hold out a quicker boat for a while but inevitably the faster boat is going to roll over the top. Especially on the side of the course where they get the rights.
    Aggressive turns are excellent when you’ve got a button you can push which releases all the energy build up.

    “And given the absolutely ridiculous 2 race fine for an infraction that would have gone undetected if not for the honesty and integrity of the USA team in identifying the weight position (a 5 pound weight improperly placed on a boat that weighs in excess of 12,500 pounds, really) and which weight was moved by an employee without the knowledge of the skipper (so nothing nefarious was going on), yes, rules are rules.”

    Huh? It almost sounds like you’re saying it’s ok to cheat so long as:
    (a) nobody admits it
    (b) it’s done by someone other than the guy in charge.

    As the Jury said, the only reason they didn’t penalise them more because they didn’t want to jeopardise the event.

    “But the general consensus over here was that the fine was total overkill, the stiffest in AC history, so in actuality the USA team won 11 races to your 8.”

    They did win 11 races to 8, no question.
    Being the stiffest in AC history would only mean something if you consider how many other teams have been cheating, and how many America’s Cups have been first to 9 wins (when it’s first to 5 a 2 race penalty is going to mean substantially more and therefore be ‘stiffer’).

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  19. Section8

    “And what stopped ETNZ from following suit once they realized they were getting their lunch eaten 7 races in a row? It certainly was not lack of oil money. Any competitor in any sport knows that if something is not working and you are behind, a tactical change is probably in order.”

    If only sailing ability should be the factor, then the boats should be manufactured by the same people exactly the same. I’m guessing it’s not that way because part of the race is due to the boat? If that’s the case I agree with your Rich, why not just fork out more money especially if it’s of such national pride over there. Now it sounds like they’re just going to pout and quit. Or at least one person is.

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  20. CM

    “If only sailing ability should be the factor, then the boats should be manufactured by the same people exactly the same.” I’m guessing it’s not that way because part of the race is due to the boat?

    The defender decides how it works and sets up all the rules.
    The other factor to consider is that the defender can design their boats according to the winds can can be expected during the 2 weeks of the Cup, whereas the challengers have to have a boat which copes with the conditions during the LV challenger series. Which means it’s harder for challengers.

    If that’s the case I agree with your Rich, why not just fork out more money especially if it’s of such national pride over there. Now it sounds like they’re just going to pout and quit. Or at least one person is.

    I’m not sure anyone is ‘pouting’ as much as you’d like that to be the case.
    The ‘quit’ comment is also silly – as I explained, the current campaign almost didn’t get sufficient funding. It really was a last minute agreement with the Government that even got us there. Next time it’ll be that much harder again.
    But hey, you’re obviously off on your narrative here now, nothing I say will obviously change that.

    BTW I’ve posted a congratulations on the Oracle Facebook page. No qualifications, just congratulations.

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  21. CM

    “And what stopped ETNZ from following suit once they realized they were getting their lunch eaten 7 races in a row?”

    Hindsight is always wonderful. It wasn’t too clear what advances OTUSA was making until they started winning. With one race left it’s too late to do anything (even if money was no object).

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  22. richtaylor365 *

    “Which begs the question – why did they leave it so late?”

    You don’t learn a new skill overnight. You think Federer just picked up a racquet and instantly knew how to hit that one handed backhand? Mastery of any skill takes time and practice.

    “That’s purely about money, nothing to do with sailing ability. You don’t need to know anything about sailing – you just pay people who do.”

    Well, hell, if that was the case why didn’t Ellison himself and 10 of his software engineers sail the ship, after all, all you need is money, right? You are bearing out what Section 8 said.

    “Not sure why you’re going on about ‘oil money’.”

    Because your whine of “You big meanies just out spent us, that’s all, we are much better sailors then you but just ran out of dough” is ringing hollow. Me thinks that with “Emirates” blasted from top to bottom on your sail, if it all came down to a few extra riyals thrown your way to turn defeat into victory, it would have happened.

    “Huh? It almost sounds like you’re saying it’s ok to cheat so long as:
    (a) nobody admits it
    (b) it’s done by someone other than the guy in charge.”

    Wow, you really are hurting bad over this race, aren’t you? Both a and b are nowhere in the same universe to what I said.

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  23. Section8

    “I’m not sure anyone is ‘pouting’ as much as you’d like that to be the case.”

    Oh ok

    “The ‘quit’ comment is also silly – as I explained, the current campaign almost didn’t get sufficient funding. It really was a last minute agreement with the Government that even got us there. Next time it’ll be that much harder again.”

    Oh ok

    “But hey, you’re obviously off on your narrative here now, nothing I say will obviously change that.”

    Yes, narratives, should be on meds, extremism, blah blah blah repeat.

    “BTW I’ve posted a congratulations on the Oracle Facebook page. No qualifications, just congratulations.”

    That’s great. :) Of course I’m guessing if anyone said you were posting qualifications here that would just be a “narrative”.

    “The other factor to consider is that the defender can design their boats according to the winds can can be expected during the 2 weeks of the Cup, whereas the challengers have to have a boat which copes with the conditions during the LV challenger series. Which means it’s harder for challengers.”

    Has this always been the case? You seemed to like the America’s Cup back in 2011 especially if NZ is winning. Were the rules the same then, or did you just have a revelation that the rules suck now?

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  24. CM

    “You don’t learn a new skill overnight. You think Federer just picked up a racquet and instantly knew how to hit that one handed backhand? Mastery of any skill takes time and practice.”

    Where is the sailing skill in transforming a boat overnight from a dog into a rocketship (in all conditions)? The sailors didn’t change (other than Ainslie). Nothing that changed was brought into the event. It’s the exact opposite of what you’re trying to suggest.
    It’s unique – in most (all?) other sporting events you bring your preparation into the event then it’s a contest.

    I think there’s a couple things that need to be looked at or changed for the next event. The use of automated systems onboard a boat was generally considered illegal. It has been common knowledge that Oracle have a system which derives from an aircraft. That system is fully automated for stability and automatic foiling. It is also believed that this was what has changed the performance of Oracle into a boat which no one can compete against because of the automated aircraft technology. But apparently it was ok. Also the other thing was the time limit. That was an extremely horrible way to end a race which had a couple of minutes remaining – especially when the next race didn’t eventuate anyway. Whats the point in sailing a race if there is no time to finish it? Sorry but it seems like a strange thing to do.

    To protect the sport and future events these two issues need to be resolved.

    But at the end of the day the better boat won we can’t change that.The effort from the ETNZ guys against a boat that had automated facilities was very impressive. They also showed good sportsmanship throughout the regatta, which is extremely important.

    “Well, hell, if that was the case why didn’t Ellison himself and 10 of his software engineers sail the ship, after all, all you need is money, right?.”

    Obviously you still need good sailors. But when you’re got two excellent sailing teams, it then comes down to how they perform and the speed of the boat.
    This is not to take anything away from Oracle / Larry Ellison. They/he did what they needed to do to win. Why wouldn’t they? Why wouldn’t anyone.

    “You are bearing out what Section 8 said”

    I’m not sure how.

    “Because your whine of “You big meanies just out spent us, that’s all, we are much better sailors then you but just ran out of dough” is ringing hollow.”

    The proof of this is right out there on the water. It’s reality. My attitude towards it is irrelevant.
    The Oracle sailors still sailed eight very good races. In the end they had the faster boat, and that made the difference (as is clearly evidence in the last race where ETNZ was leading but got mown down even though they sailed as good as they could have).

    “Me thinks that with “Emirates” blasted from top to bottom on your sail, if it all came down to a few extra riyals thrown your way to turn defeat into victory, it would have happened.”

    It’s a nice theory but I’m not sure how that could have happened in practice. Emirates contributed a set amount of sponsorship money. The astounding changes to Oracle came in the nick of time, pretty much over-night. The results were seen immediately after. Even if somehow somebody came up with more money, there was simply no time.

    “Wow, you really are hurting bad over this race, aren’t you? Both a and b are nowhere in the same universe to what I said.”

    It’s certainly frustrating, I/we did invest a ridiculous amount of emotion in it (way over the top but there we go). And it would have a been amazing to have it back in our harbour. Last time it completely transformed the waterfront (and permanently). Another shot in the arm for the waterfront would have been amazing. But at the end of the day Oracle won and congratulations to them.
    My comments were a reasonable response to yours (and were certainly qualified). You are trying to promote integrity and honesty in a case of very clear cheating, and are trying to say it’s not “nefarious” because it wasn’t officially sanctioned within the team. I do however agree that it was good that they admitted it, and it’s good that it apparently went no further than a few people (I’m certainly not a fan of conspiracy theories generally, and certainly not here).

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  25. CM

    “Of course I’m guessing if anyone said you were posting qualifications here that would just be a “narrative”.”

    Qualifications aren’t necessary – Oracle won and certainly deserve unqualified congratulations. My comments are mostly about the event itself and how it could be better in the future. Even if ETNZ won the whole thing would still have been somewhat farcical because almost nobody could afford to enter.
    Teams can be congratulated with or without discussion about the event.

    “Has this always been the case?”

    I think so.
    Of course sometimes it’s won in Court (OTUSA have never won a LV challenger series)

    “You seemed to like the America’s Cup back in 2011 especially if NZ is winning. Were the rules the same then, or did you just have a revelation that the rules suck now?”

    I think the rules (in terms of the defender deciding the rules) have been the same all along, but certainly since 1987 when NZ first challenged.
    You seem to have interpreted my comment about the defender deciding the rules being a suckful rule. I certainly didn’t intend to suggest that – it was just observation about a factor which makes it difficult for a challenger to win. I don’t really have an strong opinion on that either way.

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  26. richtaylor365 *

    “Where is the sailing skill in transforming a boat overnight from a dog into a rocketship”

    Your analogy is not valid, it was not overnight and the starting point was not a dog. They learned from their mistakes and each race they got better, but they went from a fast boat that was losing to a fast boat that started to win.

    ” The use of automated systems onboard a boat was generally considered illegal. It has been common knowledge that Oracle have a system which derives from an aircraft. That system is fully automated for stability and automatic foiling. It is also believed that this was what has changed the performance of Oracle into a boat which no one can compete against because of the automated aircraft technology. But apparently it was ok.”

    If you want to equate this as an unfair advantage, akin to having an Enigma machine, that’s cool, but given that you guys are about as sophisticated and savvy wrt sailing and all things nautical, I would think that whatever technology is available, you guys would be on the cutting edge of that technology. If the other guy has some new gadget and he is eating your lunch, why not get that new gadget yourself?

    “Obviously you still need good sailors. But when you’re got two excellent sailing teams, it then comes down to how they perform and the speed of the boat.”

    Thanks for admission, yes, sailing ability is paramount, both in minimizing mistakes and getting the best speed out of your boat.

    “I/we did invest a ridiculous amount of emotion in it (way over the top but there we go).”

    Nothing to be ashamed of or even regret. I think it is a lot like Canada and hockey. When they hosted the Olympics and the big showdown in the final between the home team and USA went down, I knew that they were much more invested in it and would relish the victory much more because it is the sport they are known for, the same with you guys and sailing. I would have been right there with you.

    “You are trying to promote integrity and honesty in a case of very clear cheating”

    What I said was that given the circumstances, that Oracle came forward after the races and brought the “mistake” to the attention of the authorities (they were not found out so if they had kept their mouths shut no one would have known), that mistake being that one of the employees moved the weight without the knowledge of the boat skipper (hardly very clear cheating), that they reported themselves for the undue advantage, that a very severe 2 race penalty seems way out of line to me.

    Anyway, I knew that the race would get very little play here, buy I am a sports fan and the come back from 8 to 1, to win it all will be talked about within the sailing community for decades to come.

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  27. Section8

    “Qualifications aren’t necessary – Oracle won and certainly deserve unqualified congratulations.”

    Even though they cheated, and only won because they had more money in a sham race? Oh ok. You’re about the only one I know who tries to tell two different stories to the same people at the same time and thinks he’s sharp enough no one can figure it out. And the fact you actually think this, regardless of the fact that there’s not a person here that can’t see right through it is about as funny as it can get.

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  28. AlexInCT

    …and blah blah blah blah Ad nauseam.

    Coming from you that shit is priceless Sally.

    My god man, just who are you trying to impress?

    Impress? Nobody. My mistake was to try and engage in a conversation with a moron stalking my every move and looking to inflate his ego with puerile bullshit.

    That concussion at 15 just must have left you with the biggest inferiority complex on the planet.

    Only a sleeping disorder. The one with the complex seems to be you. I am not the childish dickhead that tried to score cheap points because they feel butthurt from getting their ass handed to them. I recommend the mirror if you lack a clue.

    At the least it seems to have frozen your emotional development in its tracks – which does make your comments a bit less mystifying.

    How clever of you! Go back to grading your papers Mr. Garrison before Mr. Hat gets mad that you are not touching yourself.

    I’ll go back to ignoring you now – Meg Ryan is at the door,

    Really? She is trying to sell you a new vacuum cleaner?

    I have a barn to build, a SuperCollider to repair and a Mongolian cook book to translate before preparing each meal between its covers – good thing I never sleep.

    Is that code for going to watch more midget donkey porn?

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  29. CM

    “Even though they cheated,”

    They did but that’s not why they won and I never suggested that. I didn’t even bring it up. I said the opposite in fact – what they did to the boat when they played the postponement card was determined to be within the rules. Therefore they didn’t cheat.

    “and only won because they had more money in a sham race?”

    Unlimited funds and the ability to completely transform the speed of their boat is the main explanation of why they won. How was it not, if they were being blown away, and then within a few races they are suddenly almost 2 minutes quicker on up the upwind leg?
    It is well recognised that Oracle was having serious foiling stability difficulties at the outset of the regatta and that their performance could not match that of ETNZ. Half way through the series it was acknowledged that Oracle had fitted an automatic control to their hydrofoil trim, and that this modification was approved by the measurement authorities. Since that modification Oracle’s performance improved unbelievably. Far far beyond “better crew-work” as Spitall would have us all believe. (Also interesting, albeit beside the point, that in his victory speech Spitall didn’t even mention his opponents – not sure I’ve ever seen that before in top level sport).

    Your ‘sham’ comment is misrepresentation – the ‘sham’ aspect was in relation to an event being created that almost nobody could enter.

    “Oh ok. You’re about the only one I know who tries to tell two different stories to the same people at the same time and thinks he’s sharp enough no one can figure it out.”

    There are only different stories if you’re not following.

    “And the fact you actually think this, regardless of the fact that there’s not a person here that can’t see right through it is about as funny as it can get.”

    I trust they can see past your misrepresentation of what I actually said.

    I hope we do compete next time, but I think it’s unlikely which is a shame. I think if we’d won we’d have designed rules that would bring a lot more teams down here for a challenger series.
    Meanwhile, it’s back to what we do best – diddling sheep!

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  30. CM

    In terms of “why didn’t ETNZ do it to” I’ve copied this from a FB post from a technology nerd:

    “1. It is well recognised that Oracle was having serious foiling stability difficulties at the outset of the regatta and that their performance could not match that of ETNZ.
    2. Half way through the series it was acknowledged that Oracle had fitted an automatic control to their hydrofoil trim, and that this modification was approved by the measurement authorities.
    3. Since this modification Oracle’s performance has almost unbelievably improved. This has been “explained” by skipper Jimmy Spithill as being due to the superhuman efforts of the crew to improve their handling skills. However, in view of the intensive training Oracle were able to do, prior to the regatta, with their highly skilled team partner, it seems unlikely that only now have they discovered the “magic bullet” they they clearly have. It is much more likely to be the result of the modifications, possibly enabled by their surprising decision to use their lay day card and the subsequent lucky postponements.
    4. It must be remembered that this is the first time that this contest has been sailed by yachts “flying “ on Hydrofoils and it is probable that new and different criteria should have been applied.
    5. In the aeronautical world it has long been known that the stability of swept wing aircraft can rapidly be lost by uncontrolled yaw leading to a dangerous situation known as “Dutch Roll”.
    6. A device known as “Little Herbie” was developed during the commissioning of the Boeing 747 Jumbo Jets over 40 years ago, to over come this tendency. Little Herbies, or “Stability Augmentation Systems” (SAS) as these are now designated, are equipped with sensors such as Accelerometers and Gyros which can detect and instigate corrections to stability with a speed and accuracy which exceeds the ability of even experienced airline pilots. They are therefore now installed in virtually all swept-wing aircraft.
    7. The “legality” of this device has been justified and accepted on the basis that it does not actually “drive” the trim of the foils…..this is still performed by the muscle power of the crew, via hydraulic linkages. That may be so, but the device, using it’s sensing and directives, has been described as “automatic”. This implies that the trim of the foils is determined by what can only be described as “superhuman” technology. If this technology has been used to overcome the foiling stability difficulties of Oracle it will have enabled the use of higher speed/lower drag foils which the crew would otherwise be unable to manage. This would give a significant speed advantage during foiling. This has been clearly in evidence since the modification. Improvement in stability and speed has been staggering.
    8. The high speed/low drag foils do have a downside in light conditions where, due to their lesser lifting characteristic, foiling is difficult or impossible. This was also clearly seen in the abandoned Race #13 when ETNZ were only 4 minutes from the finish, with a lead of over 1000metres.
    9. ETNZ appears to have worked within the constraints of accepted yacht racing rules and the special America’s Cup 2013 racing Rules to achieve foiling with these craft. This has been at the cost of using foil characteristics and controls which can be successfully managed by a skilled crew while having to make some concession to pure speed.
    10. Although there is risk of being derided for being a “poor loser”, or a “bad sport” it can not go un-noticed that Team Oracle have already been penalised for cheating, that previous Defenders have been noted for sailing very close to the wind of rule compliance. The recent outpouring of bluff and arrogance from Jimmy Spithill may well be part of a plan to trail red herrings and to draw the attention off the real technological reason for their quite literally astounding comeback.
    11. The question is whether the use of a device which can enhance performance in excess of that achievable by human endeavour should be allowed in a sporting contest?
    12. Is this grounds for protest? At least we should all be aware that this is how desperate sporting entertainment has become.”

    Inevitable accusations of “whinging” and being “poor sports” aside, it’s a fascinating technological alteration.

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  31. CM

    “I am not the childish dickhead that tried to score cheap points because they feel butthurt from getting their ass handed to them.”

    Alex the reaction comes because you’re constantly telling us how amazing you are at everything. Like you go out of your way to do. It doesn’t take very long before it’s very noticeable. Nobody else does it.
    Just so you know (you may not realise how it comes across).

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  32. Mississippi Yankee

    Notice that the Kiwi team has a Arab sponsor? Assholes want to get all preachy about being green while they take Arab oil money. Just like MATT DAYMUUUUUUNNNNN.

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  33. AlexInCT

    Alex the reaction comes because you’re constantly telling us how amazing you are at everything. Like you go out of your way to do. It doesn’t take very long before it’s very noticeable.

    You are joking right, CM? I am telling you I am amazing at everything because when challenged I point out I know what I am talking about? Sally is the one that implied he had the background to determine who knew more about science or the scientific method and then had to be corrected. Don’t challenge someone to show their credentials and then whine about them being a show off. Your claim reeks of desperation and comes off as kind of pathetic. I am not the one pretending that the guys with the engineering background, experience in the field, and decades of work involving complex problem solving and logic are the ones that have a problem with science, when I am the ideological moron with neither any scientific training of any kind nor the ability to think outside the propaganda box my ideology has locked me in.

    I can’t really help it if you force me to point out you are talking out of your ass, and then, this triggers your inferiority complex, which then is projected on me as me having a superiority complex. Seriously, I don’t know whether to feel sorry for you and Sally or to stomp down harder on your stupid.

    Nobody else does it. Just so you know (you may not realise how it comes across).

    Actually, there are 2 of us here that were forced to point out we had the background to know what we were talking about, and then because people with no scientific background whatsoever tried to pretend they had the credentials to call those that did have it out, but I am not even going to bother considering you and Sally seem immune to facts or logic.

    He is, after all, a self admitted victim of serious head trauma. Go easy on the guy.

    And yet, I run circles around you Sally. I think the one people need to go easy on is you. Your jealousy shows, and as usual, it makes you look sad.

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  34. salinger

    is the one that implied he had the background to determine who knew more about science or the scientific method and then had to be corrected.

    What? Citation please.

    You think you’re the only one with an engineering degree? (As if computer engineering is really engineering.) Your assumptions are doing you a disservice.

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  35. AlexInCT

    What? Citation please.

    Oops, sorry that was the other liberal with delusions of granduer: Stogy.

    My bad Sally. I am a libe-racist. All you libtards sound the same to me.

    You think you’re the only one with an engineering degree?

    On this site I know there were three of us. SO, Kimpost, and myself. You take that to mean whatever you want.

    (As if computer engineering is really engineering.)

    I have repeatedly pointed out that I have a BS in Electrical and Aerospace Engineering, and a MS in EE. No Computer Engineering here. I used to make fun of those guys back in the day. I think they got the last laugh however consiidering I ended up doing software because it was more lucrative.

    Your assumptions are doing you a disservice.

    That’s kind of priceless coming from you bud. See that computer engineering thing right above here….

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  36. salinger

    My bad . I am a libe-racist. All you libtards sound the same to me.

    And there it is wrapped up nice and tidy.

    The cherry on top – you don’t even see this as a detriment to intelligent debate.

    But, I guess you do deserve special dispensation considering your self-admitted brain damage and all.

    Really – the fact that you suffered head trauma significant enough to disrupt sleep patterns for the rest of your life is quite startling.

    Okay, I’m about to hit the road for a month or so – try not to hurt yourself.

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  37. AlexInCT

    And there it is wrapped up nice and tidy.

    Someone’s joke detector is not working properly…

    Of course, the blame lies with me for not guessing that you wouldn’t get it….

    /shrug

    Really – the fact that you suffered head trauma significant enough to disrupt sleep patterns for the rest of your life is quite startling.

    You know what Sally, I have never let that define or bother me. I have made the best I could out of it. It helps that I am fine whether I have company or am alone, and I have always beenable to keep busy. I feel more pitty for the people around me that have to deal with the fact I function the way I do. Everyone that meets me in person can’t understand how I can sleep so little and be as hyper in life as I am. I guess I will get all the rest I need when I die. Or not. Who knows what comes after.

    Okay, I’m about to hit the road for a month or so – try not to hurt yourself.

    Same to you sir.

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  38. salinger

    Someone’s joke detector is not working properly…

    Of course, the blame lies with me for not guessing that you wouldn’t get it….

    /shrug

    Seriously?

    You spew forth insult, slur, slander, mockery and profanity like an open fire hydrant and you expect your targets to pick out a drop here and there as a joke? It just doesn’t work that way.

    You are truly an amazing individual. I am astounded.

    I, like you, feel pity for the people around you – although. most likely, for other reasons.

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  39. CM

    “You are joking right, CM? I am telling you I am amazing at everything because when challenged I point out I know what I am talking about?”

    Except that’s not what happens at all. In this example or any of the others. You pre-emptively offer up an explanation of your brilliance.
    That you don’t ever deny you are amazing at everything is even more amazing.

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  40. AlexInCT

    Seriously?

    Yeah, seriously.

    You spew forth insult, slur, slander, mockery and profanity like an open fire hydrant and you expect your targets to pick out a drop here and there as a joke? It just doesn’t work that way.

    Drop? To me that comment was blatantly obvious as a joke. The fact that you didn’t see it, and actually thought I was being serious Sally, says more about you than about me. It is one thing to call someone a moron, point out their ideology is akin to a mental disorder or a religious cult, and disagree with said person, even vehemently. It is something else to say something as idiotic as the coment about being a liberacist and have it be taken as a serious expression of one’s beliefs. That you really thought I was being serious saying something only an idiot leftist accuses others of being motivated by, when what I said something so blatantly idiotic, does more to stress my belief that you leftists really think those that do not think like your ideology or disagrees with you, do so out of some evil motive, and your reaction proves that.

    Did you stop even for a second to wonder WTF kind of crazy admission that would be if it was for real? My guess, from what I see now, is that you just couldn’t wait to stick your nose up in the air and rub mine in the shit for living up to your lefty beliefs that anyone that doesn’t agree with your ideology or politics has to be some evil Neanderthal. Just wow, dude.

    You are truly an amazing individual. I am astounded.

    Not as much as I am to discover that in your glee to rub my nose in what you blatantly perceived as me living up to an invented lefty stereotype you missed an obvious joke.

    I, like you, feel pity for the people around you – although. most likely, for other reasons.

    Not as much pity as I now feel for you Sally. Your desire to be smug, condescending, and superior, not because you earn it, but simply because you think that you believe in the right things and all that don’t share your belleif system are evil and stupid, deprived you of the ability to see what had to be a joke. But you were so stuck on your desire to prove me less of a mensh than you, that you couldn’t even stop to think about it for a few seconds and realize it couldn’t be serious.

    And the only people you should feel pity for around me are other smug and condescending douchebag liberals like you.

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  41. AlexInCT

    Except that’s not what happens at all. In this example or any of the others. You pre-emptively offer up an explanation of your brilliance.

    WTF are you talking about, CM? So you think that qualifying the reason you are answering something is an attempt to show you I am better than you? Seriously dude, you suffer from a case of some nasty insecurity. If you told me that you had experience on some subject you were discussing, I can guarantee you my first reaction wouldn’t be to think you are a glory hound. I have met plenty of people that had knowledge of plenty of thing, some in which I also had experience and some in which I don’t. I never felt like they were trying to shine me if they clarified that they knew what they were talking about. I might question them/you on it if you say stupid shit that makes me wonder if you know what you are talking about, but going from there, to where you and Sally jumped to, is just something I wouldn’t do. I do have to laugh that you think anyone pointing out that they know what they are talking about, before they talk about it, somehow morphs into glory seeking, though. Or does this standard of yours only apply to me?

    That you don’t ever deny you are amazing at everything is even more amazing.

    Why would I have to do something as stupid as that considering I do not even buy into the idiotic accusation/assertion that I am amazing at everything and thus amazing? I never said I was amazing and amazing at everything: you and Sally went there for some insane reason. When Sally accused me of having a superiority complex and being the master off all things, I tried to use blatant humor to show how I am not amazing at everything, or even amazing at all, because there were plenty of things I could not do and have not done, but you seemed to have missed that, huh. I guess like Sally, humor is not one of your strong points today.

    Do I have to spell it out and write it slowly for you to get I don’t think I am king of the world? Will you even get it or buy it if I were to do so, considering you are already so off base in your belief that I seem to suffer from a need to impress you, or for that matter anyone else, that I don’t have? Methinks I am damned if I do and damned if I don’t anyway, so why would I bother?

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  42. salinger

    The fact that you didn’t see it, and actually thought I was being serious Sally, says more about you than about me.

    Here’s where you are wrong – it isn’t that I thought you were serious as much as the constant barrage of vile accusations and heaping of stereotype has left me with no sense of humor toward anything you fester from your pie hole in my direction.

    You just don’t get it. If you insult a person over and over and over – don’t expect them to find your “humor” charming.

    I am completely serious when I say head trauma goes a long way to explaining your behavior.

    I gave up any idea of giving you the benefit of the doubt in this sense when you couldn’t show the barest amount of simple human respect by not mocking my name even after I politely requested as much.

    So no, I don’t find your humor amusing.

    Pop those innocent doe eyes back in your head and quit acting so affronted.

    I’ve spent too much time on this already. I apologize to all for getting into this.

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  43. CM

    “…because you think that you believe in the right things and all that don’t share your belleif system are evil and stupid”

    Alex you devote hours and hours or your time to tell us EXACTLY that. On a regular basis. How do you not notice that?

    “WTF are you talking about, CM?”

    Exactly what I said. Clearly I’m not the only one that has noticed. I’m not sure I’ve ever some across someone who blows their own trumpet as loudly and as often. In my experience people that are amazing at stuff (let alone at everything) don’t tend to be so keen to tell people.

    “So you think that qualifying the reason you are answering something is an attempt to show you I am better than you?”

    As I say, there is a long and strong pattern of you pre-emptively telling us all how amazing you are at pretty much everything. Sure, we all have occasion to mention achievements or skills when they are directly relevant, or when we are specifically asked. But this is something quite different.
    Obviously you’re completely unaware of how it looks.

    “Seriously dude, you suffer from a case of some nasty insecurity.”

    I do? Because I’m pointing out how often you go on about how amazing you are at everything?
    I don’t follow that logic. I certainly have no insecurity when it comes to you.
    As most people will tell you, and as I alluded to above, it’s people with the insecurity issues that are the ones who feel the need to tell people around them how amazing they are. Most people don’t care enough that others think they’re amazing. Especially people they’ll never meet. And especially about everything.

    “If you told me that you had experience on some subject you were discussing, I can guarantee you my first reaction wouldn’t be to think you are a glory hound.”

    And that would be reasonable, unless it was unnecessary and continual.
    Actually I’m sure your first reaction, as it always is, would be to put it through your ideological filter and make it fit your view of the world and me.

    “I do have to laugh that you think anyone pointing out that they know what they are talking about, before they talk about it, somehow morphs into glory seeking, though.”

    Yeah except that’s not what I said at all. How unsurprising.

    “Why would I have to do something as stupid as that considering I do not even buy into the idiotic accusation/assertion that I am amazing at everything and thus amazing?”

    You said: “I am telling you I am amazing at everything because when challenged I point out I know what I am talking about?”.

    “I never said I was amazing and amazing at everything: you and Sally went there for some insane reason.”

    And ilovecress. We’ve obviously all (independently) noticed the clear pattern.
    I’ve brought it up before myself to see if you realised.

    “I guess like Sally, humor is not one of your strong points today.”

    I didn’t laugh much yesterday.

    “Do I have to spell it out and write it slowly for you to get I don’t think I am king of the world? Will you even get it or buy it if I were to do so, considering you are already so off base in your belief that I seem to suffer from a need to impress you, or for that matter anyone else, that I don’t have? Methinks I am damned if I do and damned if I don’t anyway, so why would I bother?”

    Do what you like. I just wondered if you noticed that this is what you do (and nobody else does). It’s not something we’re all making up, or have conspired about. By all means, boast away.

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  44. CM

    “I’ve spent too much time on this already. I apologize to all for getting into this.”

    That’s ok, it was a nice little distraction from the actual topic.
    SO’s response to Rich right at the start summed it all up well:

    “I stopped giving a damn about the cup when it became a contest of who had the most money to throw at technology rather than actual sailing ability.”

    Although clearly I’m not sure how much weight to give it as I have no idea whether he is “a proficient mariner”, or “a very good sailor” even while preferring to motorboat.

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  45. AlexInCT

    Alex you devote hours and hours or your time to tell us EXACTLY that. On a regular basis. How do you not notice that?

    Well, you can’t deny that your side’s ideology murdered over 100 million people in just one short century,imprisoned and continues to imprison billions, and now is yet again robbing us of our freedoms while pretending to do it in the pursuit of the idiotic notion of “social justice”, whatever it mutates to, based on who on the left wants what. I know your side wants to blame capitalism and pretend it has done much the same, but it didn’t turn to shit until the left turned things upside down and created the unholy union between government and their selected crony capitalist friends.

    As Winston Churchill pointed out: capitalism is a shitty system, far from perfect, but compared to the rest it is head over heels the best option for mankind.

    How do you not notice any of this?

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  46. richtaylor365 *

    “That’s ok”

    It’s really not, no. I appreciated his apology but I wondered if he had as opinion or a comment on the topic at hand, that being the AC, or did he just hop on board to agitate. At least Alex gave us an opinion on the topic first before indulging in that other nonsense.

    “it was a nice little distraction from the actual topic”

    Says you, for the rest of us it is worse then white noise. We get it, you guys are not best of buds and don’t respect each other, great, if you want to twitter each other personal attacks and call each other names, have at it, but that method of sniping is really not appropriate for what we do here.

    I admit, I have not been around much lately because tbh, the blog all too often devolves into the same ol’ circular nonsense of ,”I know you are, but what am I?”

    If you guys want to slam Alex on the content of one of his posts or his facts, have at it, fair game and all, but coming to a sports post that I wrote then slamming him, holy smokes, give it a rest why don’t ya?

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  47. AlexInCT

    Although clearly I’m not sure how much weight to give it as I have no idea whether he is “a proficient mariner”, or “a very good sailor” even while preferring to motorboat.

    Good for you to be skeptical. If you are ever my way, or I am lucky enough to make it back your way – the fishing out there is just phenomenal and I would love to go black marlin fishing out your way someday again – I will show you.

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  48. salinger

    It’s really not, no. I appreciated his apology but I wondered if he had as opinion or a comment on the topic at hand, that being the AC, or did he just hop on board to agitate

    Yeah – I was hopping on ilovecress’s dreamy comment – it made me laugh and realize other folks noticed the same pattern. I apologize again. Sorry to hijack your thread – I really know nothing about the AC.

    I wanted to just do a little stick and jab but I got roped in – I should know better.

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  49. Miguelito

    This final race showed that a campaign with unlimited funds is ultimately going to prevail over a campaign with limited funds.

    That’s one reason I don’t really give a whit about any pro sports. They’ve all become like that for the most part.. the largest salary pool wins. Not shockingly, the hugely rich teams fight for shared revenue deals while the smaller ones fight for them.

    That and so many pro sports players are spoiled children who are treated like gods.

    I’d rather do something else or even watch an entertaining show/movie then watch someone else get paid too much to play a game.

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  50. richtaylor365 *

    “SO’s response to Rich right at the start summed it all up well:
    “I stopped giving a damn about the cup when it became a contest of who had the most money to throw at technology rather than actual sailing ability.””

    Except that he was wrong, and so are you. A very good article in the WSJ this morning, written by a sailor with no axe to grind demystifies the amazing come back, and it has nothing to do with the big biggest bankroll.
    He lists 3 reasons for the amazing turn around;

    1) Up wind foiling- prior to the race the Oracle team fiddled with the technique of up wind foiling, but they could not make it work and abandoned the technique. But when the races started one team did know how to upwind foil, the Kiwi’s, and they won six of the first seven races. At this point the Oracle team cancelled the next race for a regroup, they went back to work and practiced the technique in the ensuing off days. After configuring the boat properly in the next few races they used the technique and found that they could stay up with the NZ team.

    2) A rejiguring of “the spine”, which is a front pole used to secure the front sail. In the first few races ( the ones they lost) they had their spine configured for heavy weather and was using the wrong sail. They made the proper adjustment on sail and started winning races.

    3) Luck- In two separate races the NZ team had the lead and should have won, but the first time the race was called due to high winds, and the second they ran out of time, as you mentioned in a prior post.

    If it makes the loss easier to swallow to think that the other guys just out spent you, fine, but that’s not what happened. The first two adjustments required adept seamanship and in my uneducated spectator opinion the best sailors won The America’s Cup.

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  51. CM

    “How do you not notice any of this?”

    Probably because it’s totally irrelevant to what I actually said.

    Rich, that’s quite different than the story coming out of the people in the know in San Francisco. For example it doesn’t even mention the Little Herbies.

    “they went back to work and practiced the technique in the ensuing off days.’

    Except playing the card gave them one off day (11 Sept). Which was when the automated system was fitted.

    Ellison paid 10 expert composite boatbuilders to fly from NZ.
    He gave them each $250,000 to get on the plane and a guarantee of another $250,000 if they win. They effectively rebuilt the boat. They also installed a device that up until then was just, as you pointed out, being trialed because they had nothing to lose.
    It is an analogue dial that is connected to sensors that indicates the best foil positions for the current conditions. Speed, pressure force, aspect etc. All the guys on the boat need to do is to match the position of a matching dial pointer by using the hydraulic pressure pumps (handles) and match the two pointers up. Very fast adjustment for every condition.
    Whereas ETNZ had to trial and adjust and see how the boat responds then go again. All trial and error.
    ETNZ just couldn’t find another 2 to 3 knots of boat speed required in the time available to do the job. They just didn’t have the funds or ability at the time.

    Apparently the Government has more than made their $36 million back.

    Anyway, they won legitimately and good on them. As I said – they did what they had to do.
    We also made some sailing mistakes which might have cost us a few races (the almost-capsize for example).
    I’m over it. The All Blacks play this weekend.

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  52. CM

    “My apologies, CM, I forgot to mention you guys being rather badass in Rugby.”

    We’ll use any distraction we can, that’s just the best one available at the moment. ;-)
    Actually I’m surprised at how well the country has handled the AC result. Maybe we’re not quite as bad as I feared.

    “But regardless, CM, your tears are very tasty.”

    Thanks for reminding me why I didn’t descend into that sort of stuff following the election result last year.
    My tears are gone; it’s spring here and the sun is shining.

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