The Zero Tolerance Nadir

I would say that Zero Tolerance has reached its maximum stupidity. But then again, I’ve said that before:

A suspended seventh grade Virginia Beach student will find out soon if he is expelled for the rest of the year for shooting an airsoft gun.

Like thousands of others in Hampton Roads, Khalid Caraballo plays with airsoft guns. Caraballo and his friend Aidan were suspended because they shot two other friends who were with them while playing with the guns as they waited for the school bus.

The two seventh graders say they never went to the bus stop; they fired the airsoft guns while on Caraballo’s private property.

Aidan’s father, Tim Clark, told WAVY.com what happened next lacks commons sense. The children were suspended for possession, handling and use of a firearm.

For their part, the school is claiming other kids were shot with the toy guns, including one near the bus stop who was running away from the shooters. Even if their version of events is correct, I don’t that suspension and possible expulsion are warranted.

The police have declined to charge anyone in this case, meaning the police have a bit more sense than anyone else involved. Technically, shooting an airgun is illegal unless it on private property with the permission of the owners, which Khlalid is claiming was the case.

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  1. Poosh

    I think if the kids, indeed on private property, shot at other kids – who were not their friends and were being targeted (bullied) then suspension (and possible expulsion), and the police, are indeed necessary.

    But I’m fairly sure that’s not what happened. Kids were having fun playing with toy GUNS. Must be punished. They should have been reading the The Bell Jar instead.

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  2. Seattle Outcast

    Next up, expulsion for kids who hunt and fish. Seriously, that’s what coming up next for these loons.

    It’s all part of the long-term plan of leftists, as articulated by everyone’s favorite unprosecuted criminal and attorney general Eric Holder, to fundamentally change the way people think about guns. In effect making any sort of gun, even a pointed finger accompanied by a “pew pew” sound, a criminal action and socially repulsive.

    However, the vast majority of Americans aren’t having any truck with this bs, and the outrage is getting to an explosive point.

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  3. hist_ed

    “I think if the kids, indeed on private property, shot at other kids – who were not their friends and were being targeted (bullied) then suspension (and possible expulsion), and the police, are indeed necessary.”

    So do you think kids should get a detention for violating school dress code when they are not at school? What other rules should schools be able to enforce on students when they aren’t at school (“No running in your living room Johnny.” “Mark, you littered at the county fair during the summer.” “Kelly, you had a sip of wine while on vacation in France.”)

    I hope the parents sue-when their kids are in their yard, the school should stay the fuck out of
    it.

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  4. Hal_10000 *

    Next up, expulsion for kids who hunt and fish. Seriously, that’s what coming up next for these loons.

    Don’t temp them. In my dad’s day, some kids had rifles in their cars so they could get an early start on weekend hunting or target practice.

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  5. Xetrov

    Even if the kid did shoot someone who wasn’t his friend, WTF does the school have to do with it? He was at home in his own front yard. That’s a matter for the parents of the two kids to handle. If my kid gets in a fight with a friend while playing an Xbox game in my house, do I need to tell the school so that they can determine if it’s worth suspending him over (only if it’s a game that involves guns)? Anything that doesn’t happen on school property should have nothing to do with the school.

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  6. Miguelito

    Add another Xetrov++ for me.

    Next up, they’ll get kids for playing video games with violence, possibly near school (GTA V anyone?).

    If the parents of these kids had any sense and it wasn’t too expensive (and there’s a nearby school with room), I’d tell the public school to fuck off and move my kids to a private school that likely doesn’t have ridiculous rules like this and usually does a better part teaching the kids to boot.

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  7. InsipiD

    The police have declined to charge anyone in this case, meaning the police have a bit more sense than anyone else involved.

    Don’t jump to conclusions. The police initially didn’t charge George Zimmerman, and yet it didn’t keep them and an overzealous DA from ruining his life, and the AG is still on the jihad.

    Bring back the formatting buttons. I’m helpless without them.

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  8. Poosh

    “So do you think kids should get a detention for violating school dress code when they are not at school? ”

    What are you talking about? What does that have to do with anything?

    If they attacked a classmate (but not friend) then yes the school should have a lot to say about that, though the police should, of course, be the primary go-to. If you actually believe in the fucking non-aggression principle then you better enforce it with children eh? But schools have reputations, in or out of uniform and they need to be defended. I am not talking about firing your BB-Gun at some of your bros from school waiting at the bus stop. I’m talking about bullying. Not friends playing together.

    I then said they probably WERE friends, and that this was retarded.

    If this *was* an act of malice, not friendship, then DUH the school, if it’s a good school, should be actively trying to protect its pupils and purge out those who it doesn’t want to attend. I have assumed these are ALL pupils of the same school mind you.

    Xetrov you are off there. If two kids are fighting IN YOUR HOME then that presumes one kid is a FRIEND, not a stranger/target. In addition a BB-Gun (I assume that’s the same as an air-soft) fires a projectile, so I’ll assume you don'[t think it’s ok to fire an actual firearm at someone across the road so long as you’re on your own property.

    But I don’t believe this is legitimate, I believe these were just a group of friends playing GI:JOE or something, and the school found out they were using toys that looked like guns and wanted to get all liberal on them. Nothing to do with protecting victims of bullying, or enforcing some non-aggression principle.

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  9. Poosh

    SO the article FPrefect89 posted mentions *nothing* about these kids being punished for actually committing battery (‘assault’, in the US?). The kids appear to have been punished because they were some sort of “safety hazard” which seems dubious. The police did not think it necessary to get involved which means, surely, they were not shooting at strangers.

    All the kids actually shot were playing, at least at one point, in the Yard. This is just a liberal attempt to stop kids playing with toy guns. Nothing to do with safety or protection (“The bus stop in question is 70 yards from the Caraballo’s front yard.”)

    As the teachers do this, no doubt many of their pupils are being regularly bullied and one of them may well top themselves in the next few years. But that’s ok. Some kids won’t be playing masculine-gender-enforcing games. Score one for progress…

    One the plus side, I hear studies have now shown Home Schooling is producing smarter children than State Schooling.

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