Egypt Erupts … Again

Tell me you’re surprised:

Egypt’s military regime, aided by snipers and bulldozers, swept the streets of Islamist protesters Wednesday—setting off a day of violence that left at least 525 people dead, the government fractured and ties with its international partners in tatters.

Cairo’s streets were calm Thursday morning following a curfew overnight, though funerals for the dead and a march planned by the Muslim Brotherhood are likely to inflame tensions later in the day.

We are witnessing the beginnings of a civil war. A war not between democracy and tyranny but between Islamists and the military. Whoever wins, we lose. I think it’s time — and I know this is shocking — that we consider cutting off military aid.

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  1. Seattle Outcast

    Color me “cynical as all hell” because this outcome was glaringly obvious since the “Arab Spring” was allowed to unfold with a bunch of religious zealots in charge.

    Obviously, Obama & Company think that letting a terrorist organization run countries is a peachy idea, which is essentially just telling them to come on over and blow some more crap up in the USA whenever they can in the name of jihad.

    Our new foreign policies (or total lack thereof) is becoming painfully obvious to the rest of the world. We are essentially repeating the Carter years, only without the 24% prime rate and mile-long lines for gas. Instead we have a level of government surveillance that was unthinkable just a generation ago.

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  2. stogy

    We are witnessing the beginnings of a civil war. A war not between democracy and tyranny but between Islamists and the military.

    Actually, my feeling is that it is the beginning of a wider war in Islam that will span from North Africa to the Indus. Things are going to get very ugly, particularly if Iraq and Pakistan keep heading in the direction they are currently going.

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  3. CM

    Color me “cynical as all hell” because this outcome was glaringly obvious since the “Arab Spring” was allowed to unfold with a bunch of religious zealots in charge.

    Obviously, Obama & Company think that letting a terrorist organization run countries is a peachy idea, which is essentially just telling them to come on over and blow some more crap up in the USA whenever they can in the name of jihad.

    So what should the response have been?

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  4. Seattle Outcast

    So what should the response have been?

    Something that didn’t blatantly support a terrorist organization that was expanding its base of operations. You know, something that was in our best interests, and likely in the best interests of those people that lived in the region. Instead we’re going to get another few decades of Islamofascists exporting terrorism and ruling through terror. It’s not as if we don’t have plenty of recent examples of how this works….

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  5. AlexInCT

    Actually, my feeling is that it is the beginning of a wider war in Islam that will span from North Africa to the Indus. Things are going to get very ugly, particularly if Iraq and Pakistan keep heading in the direction they are currently going.

    At the risk of coming of as one evil dude, I think I feel about this the same way I did about the Iraq-Iran war: I want both sides to lose. I say we arm both sides and let them duke it out. Yeah, cruel on my part, but then again, I am not one of these morons that think Islam is anything but an evil political system using the fervor of religion to spread an oppressive evil.

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  6. Mississippi Yankee

    We are witnessing the beginnings of a civil war. A war not between democracy and tyranny but between Islamists and the military.

    Please correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Morsi and the “Islamist” more or less democratically elected? A democratic tyranny you might say.

    And isn’t the military’s ousting of an elected government nothing short of a coup? Furthermore we have US laws that say no foreign aid, including military aid, can be sent to countries where a coup is occurring.

    I think stogy may be right about Islam’s inner conflict (not that the Sunni/ Shia feud is chopped liver). But Alex’s solution works for me:
    Fuck em all, let Allah sort them out.

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  7. stogy

    Please correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Morsi and the “Islamist” more or less democratically elected? A democratic tyranny you might say.

    It’s a good point. But people think democracy is rule by the majority, but it also has to be acceptance by the ‘losing’ minority of majority rule. The majority Muslim brotherhood weren’t able to get that acceptance.

    Having said that, I think the harm done to Egyptian democracy by the coup far outweighs any benefit by overthrowing an elected Islamist regime.

    And isn’t the military’s ousting of an elected government nothing short of a coup?

    Yeah. It was definitely a coup. Including the bit where the army called for mass demonstrations against Morsi to provide the cover they needed to take over again.

    Furthermore we have US laws that say no foreign aid, including military aid, can be sent to countries where a coup is occurring.

    Except the Obama administration decided not to decide on whether it was a coup or not, thus flouting the spirit if not the letter of the laws you are speaking about.

    I say we arm both sides and let them duke it out. Yeah, cruel on my part, but then again, I am not one of these morons that think Islam is anything but an evil political system using the fervor of religion to spread an oppressive evil.

    My Egyptian friends have pretty much all left, mostly before all the instability, but I will worry about people I know in Lebanon, Turkey, Israel, Jordan and Iran. Most of them are Islamic (apart from the Israelis). One of the Iranian guys I know told me he wasn’t going home until “those crazy fucks are out of power”. None of them ever tried to indoctrinate me in their oppressive evil Islamic ideology.

    A war means a lot of innocent people have to die, and a lot of ethnic cleansing, global instability, not to mention destruction of some pretty fantastic archeological sites. And do you think that the international community will be able to cope with the humanitarian and refugee influx? The rise in oil prices? We can barely even cope with Syria now.

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  8. Mississippi Yankee

    Except the Obama administration decided not to decide on whether it was a coup or not, thus flouting the spirit if not the letter of the laws you are speaking about.

    For the moment Congress is withholding military aid thus putting our muslim raised mulatto at odds with many of his supporters. And the longer this Arab Anarchy continues the less choices he’ll have as the mid-term election approaches.

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