Please, Don’t Break Stuff

The Zimmerman trial is winding down and it may go to the jury as early as Friday. A perfect time to remind people (certain people) that going all Visigoth in your neighborhood just because your blood lust is not sated is not a good idea.

A preemptive strike, but much more is needed. The WH web site reflects his jam packed busy schedule, the poor guy doesn’t know if he is winding his ass or scratching his watch, but maybe in the next few days he can spend a few minutes and calm down a potentially angry rabble with some soothing words reflective of conciliation. They wanted Zimmerman tried, he was tried, now accept the wisdom of the jury and get on with your lives.

Some comments on the last few days. I thought all that time wasted on who’s voice it was on the tape that was crying for help, was just that, a waste of time. Granted, once the persecution had the mom swear that the voice was indeed Travon’s, the defense had to counter, which they did with George’s mom, a several other friends who were adamant that the voice was George’s. But each trumped the other so nothing was achieved.

Today the defense scored some big time points with their forensic pathologist expert . From what I have read from those at the trial that witnessed the testimony and the juries reaction, he was major credible. The testimony concerning Zimmerman’s injuries to the head, that being consistent with getting pummeled on the pavement, and that a series of these blows could be fatal, fear and a real sense of extreme peril can easily be proven.

I also like the testimony of George’s sensi. It sounds like Zimmerman would have gotten his ass handed to him by Suzy the lemonade girl.

And the evidence of Martin’s marijuana use, a clear win for the defense, not only indicative of erratic or bizarre behavior that day, but could go to character if the jurors wanted to run with it.

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  1. Seattle Outcast

    On the off chance that rioters make it out to my relatively remote and very quiet suburb, my deck provides a great sniper’s roost down the only road that leads into the development….

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  2. TxAg94

    Of course we all know the actual content of the trial has NOTHING to do with whether there will be rioting or not. The media has tried to get this rolling from the start. First, they pushed for executing Zimmerman before he even had a trial. Now they are prodding for riots. They know their target audience only hears what they want to hear so they are giving it to them in hopes of getting an even bigger story out of it.

    The media SHOULD be held accountable for how this has gone down, but they won’t.

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  3. Seattle Outcast

    Interesting to read the sensei’s assessment. My MA experience goes back 30 years, and this is how things work at a dojo.

    90% drop out within 6 months. 90% of the remainder will be gone withing 2 years. Of those that get their black belt, at least half will stop at that point.

    Most people don’t know how to fight – at all. You’re average thug, regardless of size, that has experience in beating people up will have a very high win rate against people who have not been trained or have similar street-level experience.

    It takes the average person about two years to become a proficient fighter, provided they spend a good amount of time sparring against people of all sizes and abilities. You don’t get better only fighting people your size and ability. The reason it takes so long is that the average person’s body movement needs to be completely retrained to be efficient. People actually go through a period of being an even worse fighter than they were originally because of the inherent period of clumsiness that happens during this retraining.

    There is a period, usually at the green belt level, when someone has learned enough to be overconfident in their abilities and will only have a 50/50 chance of winning against an experienced, non-trained, fighter.

    By the time the typical person achieves basic competency (Shodan), provided that their school mandates sparring ability, they could hand someone like Martin his ass back to him in about 10 seconds.

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  4. Xetrov

    I’m having trouble understanding this.

    A division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) was deployed to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to provide assistance for anti-George Zimmerman protests, including a rally headlined by activist Al Sharpton, according to newly released documents.

    That division is called the CRS or Community Relations Service. Further down in the article it says this –

    CRS was established by the Civil Rights Act of 1964. According to the CRS web page, “The Community Relations Service is the Department’s ‘peacemaker’ for community conflicts and tensions arising from differences of race, color, and national origin. Created by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, CRS is the only Federal agency dedicated to assist State and local units of government, private and public organizations, and community groups with preventing and resolving racial and ethnic tensions, incidents, and civil disorders, and in restoring racial stability and harmony.”

    Why would a part of the DOJ that defines their mission statement as “peacemaker” support and help facilitate protests that were organized specifically to increase racial anger at the situation?

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  5. salinger

    Why would a part of the DOJ that defines their mission statement as “peacemaker” support and help facilitate protests that were organized specifically to increase racial anger at the situation?

    I would guess the assistance being provided is to local law enforcement to help diffuse any dangerous situations and or act as a mediator/buffer between the local law and protesters so that things do not get out of hand. At least that seems the most rational and logical explanation considering the quote you cite re: the establishment of the CRS.

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  6. Xetrov

    At least that seems the most rational and logical explanation considering the quote you cite re: the establishment of the CRS

    How does facilitating and supporting a protest specifically held to increase racial tensions of a given situation do anything in regard to “preventing and resolving racial and ethnic tensions, incidents, and civil disorders, and in restoring racial stability and harmony.”? How is that rational or logical in any way?

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  7. richtaylor365 *

    Given the protocols already in place for mutual aid requests (a smaller agency puts out a mutual aid request, the Sheriffs Dept. and adjacent agencies respond in kind for assistance, and if need be going straight to the governor for a State National Guard response) I seriously doubt Sanford PD asked for help or even knew the CRS was coming. It would be like when a local agency was conducting an investigation and the FBI shows up.

    This deployment could have much more sinister undertones attached. Clearly the local agencies had safety in mind, hence the video, but the CRS showing up, upstaging them if you will, could be a power play (don’t worry folks, the big boys have arrived), it could be a ploy to justify their own existence( We know you got things in hand, but since we are the experts and we are here, you guys need us), or, even more nefarious, the power of suggestion could foment actions that would not normally have materialized. Folks like Sharpton or Jackson (the real race baiters) see a federal agency already deployed, expect more media coverage in place then what the situation would normally warrant, and decide ,”Hey, we like publicity as much as the next guy, and our donations are down, let’s go down there and see if we can stir something up”.

    Not saying the president is behind any of this so save the sanctimony, but the truth of the matter is that he would benefit if some insurrection was fomented. Not only would it re enforce in the black community their actions in helping him get elected (See, I’m one of you, I got your backs) but he could ride in as some great conciliator, like a good father shepherding his children, he could be the voice of calm and stability, brokering peace within the races. I see another Nobel Prize in the offing.

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  8. Seattle Outcast

    Seriously, a downvote on how fight training works?

    What, are you just retarded, or think you know how this works better than the guy who can open his own dojo with the blessings of the style/school president in Osaka?

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  9. salinger

    How does facilitating and supporting a protest

    This assumes that they were there to support the protests and not the peace, safety and order around the protests. I think this assumption is willfully obtuse. It is much more likely, and pretty much obvious, that

    A division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) was deployed to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to provide assistance for anti-George Zimmerman protests

    means they were deployed to help keep the peace, not support the protests, (as is their reason for existence as peacemakers as you also quoted.)

    Thinking otherwise is, in my opinion, pretty far fetched.

    Also, notice, nowhere in the quotes you reference does the word ‘facilitate’ appear.

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  10. Xetrov

    This assumes that they were there to support the protests and not the peace, safety and order around the protests.

    Is there any evidence to suggest they tried “preventing and resolving racial and ethnic tensions, incidents, and civil disorders, and in restoring racial stability and harmony” in regard to the escalating rhetoric from the idiots who were speaking at the protest? You are going to actually give the DOJ, the same DOJ that did this, the benefit of the doubt in a racially charged situation? THAT defies all logic and reason.

    Also, notice, nowhere in the quotes you reference does the word ‘facilitate’ appear.

    Oh, you sure got me, the article didn’t say “facilitate”. Nothing to see here folks, they didn’t “facilitate” the protest. No “facilitating” went on.

    Though CRS purports to spot and quell racial tensions nationwide before they arise, the documents obtained by Judicial Watch show the group actively worked to foment unrest, spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on travel and hotel rooms to train protestors throughout Florida. The peacekeepers also met with officials of the Republican National Convention, scheduled for several months later in Tampa, to warn them to expect protests in connection with Martin’s death.

    What, are you just retarded, or think you know how this works better than the guy who can open his own dojo with the blessings of the style/school president in Osaka?

    I know Kung-Fu.

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  11. CM

    What is Judicial Watch’s evidence then? Where is what they claim shown in the documents? You seem convinced Xetrov, so you must be seeing something I’ve missed. Accusing someone of giving them the benefit of the doubt isn’t good enough, you’re the one promoting the accusation.

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  12. Xetrov

    What is Judicial Watch’s evidence then?

    Documents and eye witness accounts of people who were there and saw what these DOJ people did.

    Accusing someone of giving them the benefit of the doubt isn’t good enough

    Is this like, the article didn’t say “facilitate”? I don’t give a shit if it isn’t good enough for you, or Salinger. He wants to give Holder’s DOJ the benefit of the doubt after all that idiot has been involved in under Obama. To me that is the epitome of defying logic and reason.

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  13. CM

    Is this like, the article didn’t say “facilitate”?

    Well ANY evidence would be good (not sure why you’re obsessing about that one word). You’ve linked to a piece which says “we’ve got evidence”. Ok, sure, great, what is it then? Or is the fact that they “have evidence” sufficient? It certainly can’t be what they have bullet-pointed, but then I’m confused about what the point of those bullet-points actually is, if it’s not meant to be evidence of something.

    He wants to give Holder’s DOJ the benefit of the doubt after all that idiot has been involved in under Obama.

    He wants to give Holder’s DOJ the benefit of the doubt after all that idiot has been involved in under Obama. To me that is the epitome of defying logic and reason.

    Benefit of what doubt? Where is the doubt? They were apparently invited by a city official, and they are SUPPOSED to be inconspicuous and not advertise their presence. Where does it mention those aspects in your propaganda?

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/04/3485317/federal-mediator-serve-as-peacemaker.html

    So in the weeks after the Feb. 26, 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a city representative picked up the phone and called Thomas Battles, a quiet force who has worked almost three decades mending racially damaged communities.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/04/3485317/federal-mediator-serve-as-peacemaker.html

    If they weren’t sent there would no doubt be complaints that Obama, sorry I mean Black Jesus, ordered it so racial tensions could explode.
    Judicial Watch looks to beat around the same standard as The Daily Caller.

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  14. salinger

    Is this like, the article didn’t say “facilitate”?

    My point there wasn’t so much that the word facilitate wasn’t used in the article as the fact that you used it – implying that the CRS were sent to help the protesters with their protest.

    There seems to be no evidence anywhere that this was the case – but there is ample precedence for this group to come in to help diffuse situations where racial tensions may erupt. In fact, as you quoted, this is pretty much the reason for their inception.

    I’m not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt – I am asking for evidence not innuendo.

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  15. Xetrov

    My point there wasn’t so much that the word facilitate wasn’t used in the article as the fact that you used it – implying that the CRS were sent to help the protesters with their protest.

    Which they were according to the report of eye witnesses.

    There seems to be no evidence anywhere that this was the case

    Ahh, damn. Sorry. I forgot, there’s no evidence if it supports the DOJ being idiots in regard to the situation. Nothing to see here, folks.

    but there is ample precedence for this group to come in to help diffuse situations where racial tensions may erupt.

    As I already asked, is there any evidence that they did anything in regard to “preventing and resolving racial and ethnic tensions, incidents, and civil disorders, and in restoring racial stability and harmony.” in this situation? We have a systemic history with this DOJ that they are motivated by race in certain instances (Black Panthers), and have proven incompetence time and again. Yet you’re accepting their “evidence”, and apparently the eye witness accounts don’t exist.

    Where does it mention those aspects in your propaganda?

    Have a nice day, CM. I have nothing more to discuss with you on this topic.

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  16. salinger

    Which they were according to the report of eye witnesses

    Where are these eye witness reports – where may I read one? The articles used as citation to this do not give any details.

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  17. CM

    As I already asked, is there any evidence that they did anything in regard to “preventing and resolving racial and ethnic tensions, incidents, and civil disorders, and in restoring racial stability and harmony.” in this situation?

    Yes there are many eye witnesses.

    Have a nice day, CM. I have nothing more to discuss with you on this topic.

    Thanks.
    No problem, it clearly wasn’t going anywhere anyway because it’s a conspiracy narrative. I didn’t think you really went in for that sort of thing. It’s CLEARLY a political propoganda piece – it relies on ignorance and/or people so ingrained to hate the government (especially Black Jesus’ govt) that they don’t even care what’s correct and what isn’t.

    The articles used as citation to this do not give any details.

    Apparently you need to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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  18. stogy

    I seriously doubt Sanford PD asked for help or even knew the CRS was coming.

    Have there been any complaints from the Sanford PD about the behavior of the CRS? That would useful to know. As I said on the other thread, the wording of this article is really clever – it casts aspersions without ever making the links explicit or providing actual evidence of wrongdoing.

    I call bullshit.

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  19. Section8

    It’s funny our friends on the left. The first hint that they can call bullshit on a story, cry conspiracy, they’re all over it. Post after post. IRS though, spying on our own citizens, and all the other shit over the last few weeks, and we get comments like “well, I’ve been too busy to comment.” or “I’m upset but, but just because I don’t want to comment on it doesn’t mean I’m upset.” Laughable.

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  20. Seattle Outcast

    CM is too worried about what happens in a country on the other side of the planet that he doesn’t even understand. This would be the same as if this website was devoted to the internal politics of Tokyo – someplace we’ve heard of, seen in movies, but even if we went there to visit we wouldn’t come back really knowing the place.

    Pretty much the only explanation is that CM is overseeing “the revolution” and making sure we all have the correct viewpoints and understand the worker’s needs. Perhaps later he’ll tell us stories about Castro as a young boy in the sugar fields….

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  21. Xetrov

    Where are these eye witness reports – where may I read one?

    Ask Judicial Watch. Either you give them the benefit of the doubt, or you give Holder’s DOJ the benefit of the doubt. Which is more rational? (Don’t answer, it’s rhetorical.)

    If all the CRS were doing was helping make sure the protests didn’t get out of hand, why did they arrange for the NAACP to meet with local leaders which led to the temporary resignation of the local Police Chief because he didn’t charge Zimmerman from the get-go? What right or business is it of the Federal Government to get a local police chief to resign?

    Why did they arrange for police escorts for the protestors?

    Why is one of the protest orchestrators and speakers on record as saying that the CRS was “there for us”? Shouldn’t they have been neutral? Shouldn’t they have tried to tone down the racial rhetoric from Sharpton and the other idiots per their mandate to ease racial tensions?

    Even if there are no legitimate eye witness accounts, what did the CRS do that did anything to lessen the racial tensions in the situation per their mandate?

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  22. salinger

    If all the CRS were doing was helping make sure the protests didn’t get out of hand, why did they arrange for the NAACP to meet with local leaders which led to the temporary resignation of the local Police Chief because he didn’t charge Zimmerman from the get-go? What right or business is it of the Federal Government to get a local police chief to resign?

    This assumes the CRS had interest in the chief resigning – rather than the chief resigning because of a meeting brokered by the CRS. There is a difference that you seem to be ignoring.

    Why did they arrange for police escorts for the protestors?

    it’s as if you didn’t read the article you cite. Let’s start with the headline:

    DOJ ‘peacemakers’ helped Sanford stay cool amid rising tensions

    and from within the article:

    City officials, local leaders and residents say these peacekeepers have played a key role in easing tensions during some of the most heated moments after Trayvon’s shooting.

    Seems to me you’re tilting at windmills on this one.

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  23. AlexInCT

    CM is too worried about what happens in a country on the other side of the planet that he doesn’t even understand. This would be the same as if this website was devoted to the internal politics of Tokyo – someplace we’ve heard of, seen in movies, but even if we went there to visit we wouldn’t come back really knowing the place.

    I lived in Tokyo for 6 months. Some 28 years ago I should come clean about, which might mean I probably have no clue what’s going on there these days anyway except for all the guys groping women on packed trains. I was told by guys there that was one of the bonuses of using mass transportation and one of the females I got “aquainted” with told me many of the ladies liked the attention although she was not sure about how she felt about it. Crazy shit happens everywhere is what I was trying to convey here.

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  24. AlexInCT

    Perhaps later he’ll tell us stories about Castro as a young boy in the sugar fields….

    As long as his stories don’t conclude with someone havign to ask him to point out on the dll where Castor touched him, I hope…

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  25. richtaylor365 *

    Have there been any complaints from the Sanford PD about the behavior of the CRS?

    Whether there has been complaints or not , how on earth does that refute what I wrote:

    I seriously doubt Sanford PD asked for help or even knew the CRS was coming.

    What we do know is that they fired the old chief of police, the guy that was running Sanford PD during the time of the shooting because after a thorough investigation he found no reasonableness in charging Zimmerman with any crime (you think the new guy did not get the hint?) We know that the state prosecutor that filed the original murder charges did so fraudulently and unethically, and is now under investigation for her gross malfeasance.

    it casts aspersions without ever making the links explicit or providing actual evidence of wrongdoing.

    Except that I was casting no aspersions concerning wrongdoing, I guess you got my post confused with the one Alex wrote.

    I call bullshit.

    Bullshit on what exactly?

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  26. Xetrov

    This assumes the CRS had interest in the chief resigning

    Why would they broker the meeting if they didn’t? To “keep the peace”? If “keeping the peace” = the Chief resigning, then they did have an interest, didn’t they? I’m “ignoring” less than you are.

    Why did they arrange for police escorts for the protestors?

    it’s as if you didn’t read the article you cite.

    The quote directly relating to my question is this –

    They even arranged a police escort for college students to ensure safe passage for their 40-mile march from Daytona Beach to Sanford to demand justice.

    Seeing as the author readily believes that all the protesters were doing was demanding justice, the headline is also slanted to reflect that. What do DOJ reps there specifically to “reduce racial tensions” have to do with arranging what is clearly a racist based protest? You keep ignoring the question.

    Seems to me you’re tilting at windmills on this one.

    No shit it does to you, because it doesn’t fit with your preconceived notion that the Federal Government (when lead by anyone with a (D) after their name anyway) is really just out to help everybody sing kumbaya and hug.

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  27. stogy

    It’s funny our friends on the left. The first hint that they can call bullshit on a story, cry conspiracy, they’re all over it. Post after post.

    When I first came here in 2004, I made the claim that the CIA funded Bin Laden. I was shot down. Checked my facts, and found out that there was no evidence that the CIA directly funded Bin Laden. I was wrong. It was a talking point that went round and round the blogosphere. A conspiracy theory that took on its own life. Which was wrong. Particularly as Bin Laden pretty much said so himself. It’s important to ask questions when there is inadequate information, otherwise conspiracies become “true” that shouldn’t.

    IRS though, spying on our own citizens, and all the other shit over the last few weeks, and we get comments like “well, I’ve been too busy to comment.” or “I’m upset but, but just because I don’t want to comment on it doesn’t mean I’m upset.” Laughable.

    I’m mad as hell about the spying, I think that Obama is less liberal than Bush. I’m mad as hell about the drone strikes. I cannot believe the stupidity in funding groups opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and undermining democracy there. I think Obamacare adds 45 million people to a broken system. And I have said so. Here and other places.

    But until I see actual proof of wrongdoing by the administration on the IRS scandal, on Benghazi and now on this CRS and Zimmerman story, you are buying into the same kind of conspiracy theories that I did. People make shit up all the time for political advantage. You might as well be saying that the CIA funded Bin Laden.

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  28. stogy

    Bullshit on what exactly?

    The original article. It was clever. Cast lots of aspersions without resorting to any actual evidence.

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  29. Section8

    But until I see actual proof of wrongdoing by the administration on the IRS scandal, on Benghazi and now on this CRS and Zimmerman story, you are buying into the same kind of conspiracy theories that I did.

    Of the three listed here, two definitely are at minimum reflective of the environment of this administration. The IRS definitely reflects on the environment of this administration, if Obama himself isn’t downright involved. As of now there is no proof that he was involved, but either way it’s an end result of “intellectual” leftism run amok. I don’t give this administration much benefit of the doubt. They sold themselves as transparent and honorable, and they are sneaky and vindictive. That’s what we’re dealing with, and to me this is just typical left wing procedure. Some of us saw this coming right out of the gate, back in the first election when Obama was giving a thrill up everyone’s leg (when I say this it doesn’t mean I thought the opposition was a great choice either). As for the CRS, I didn’t comment on it, there’s not much to the story at this point. My comment is that it seems like some here will zero in on stories like this as an opportunity to post repeatedly crying conspiracy while staying mum on known real issues that are far more serious. As for Benghazi, I haven’t commented on that much either, but I think the show arrest of a film maker, and the embassy in Egypt immediately apologizing in a knee jerk reaction when there was violence there is again reflective of the environment created by this administration, whether it was ordered or not. At minimum it’s amateur hour with this administration.

    As for you, yes I’ve seen prior posts, and at least you have been somewhat outspoken with some of this, so I should be more clear that it wasn’t directed so much to you. My comment was more for the other two who posted here.

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  30. salinger

    My comment is that it seems like some here will zero in on stories like this as an opportunity to post repeatedly crying conspiracy while staying mum on known real issues that are far more serious

    Ah – but you give a free pass to the original poster of such nonsense. There is no zeroing in – when a post or a comment is obviously misinformed and I have nothing better to do I comment. It is also my habit to then only respond when directly engaged. i.e. :

    My comment was more for the other two who posted here.

    But – using your logic I could justifiably call you out for not pointing out the weakness of the CRS story and bemoan how long it took you to write:

    As for the CRS, I didn’t comment on it, there’s not much to the story at this point

    So really – you are claiming the arbiter mantle of what is worthy of comment by all participants to this blog by stating that there ae posts you don’t feel compelled to comment on – and others you do but seemingly do not feel that privilege should be universal. I’m sure the irony is not lost on you.

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  31. CM

    Well said Salinger.
    SO, yet again I’m not sure what my lack of understanding/knowledge about the US is relevant to my comments in this thread. Sounds like you’re suggesting that if I was American I’d find it easier to jump aboard convenient political-conspiracy bandwagons whenever they pop up. No idea what your whole Castro thing relates to – what is the connection?

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  32. CM

    Xetrov if the protest was happening anyway then they can hardly be accused of arranging it. Arranging for a less volatile situation, sure, but that’s not even remotely close to actually arranging a protest. Your argument appears to be mainly constructed of pre-conceived notions about government. When people make serious accusations like this and don’t provide evidence they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. That would defy logic, irrespective of political position. But, yeah, I know, you’re no longer willing to discuss it for some reason.

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  33. Iconoclast

    I think the over-arching issue is that this was a fairly cut-and-dried case in terms of the actual evidence; it simply never should have escalated to the point where there was a high-profile trial, and where the CRS’ “services” were deemed necessary by anyone at any level. And it absolutely should not have cost the police chief his job.

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  34. Section8

    Ah – but you give a free pass to the original poster of such nonsense. There is no zeroing in – when a post or a comment is obviously misinformed and I have nothing better to do I comment. It is also my habit to then only respond when directly engaged. i.e. :

    Please be honest here. This is minor compared to the absolute fucked up shit this administration has done over the last few years, and this is all that is important to you? A minor accusation as opposed to spying, drone strikes and other deeds that you and others were outraged about during the Bush years that didn’t even come remotely close to the volume and scope that is occurring now? That’s fine, CM was “too busy”, it’s not important to you though now right? I guess that’s what being a partisan hack is all about. It’s cool.

    So really – you are claiming the arbiter mantle of what is worthy of comment by all participants to this blog by stating that there ae posts you don’t feel compelled to comment on – and others you do but seemingly do not feel that privilege should be universal. I’m sure the irony is not lost on you.

    Nope, just calling you guys hypocrites. The best you can do is scan the blog looking for anything you can question regardless of how minor in scope, while completely ignoring policies that go on that are fucking this country over. Good job

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  35. salinger

    Please be honest here. This is minor compared to the absolute fucked up shit this administration has done over the last few years, and this is all that is important to you?

    Nope, not that important to me, just a passing comment and then responding to comments directed specifically to me (such as this). Remember, I didn’t bring this subject up in this thread.

    Nice catch 22 you have going.

    I guess it’s safe to assume that every fucked up thing that someone on the right (and for at matter, the left center and everywhere in between) does – and the authors and readers of this blog do not post or comment against – you all are in support of?

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