Left wants to blame republicans for Obamacare failures.

I have a very low opinion of Ezra Klein, and idiotic shit like this only helps to confirm my belief he is a moron of epic proportions. Let’s take a look at what is bothering this imbecilic and has his panties all in a bunch this time. It’s a doozy, I tell you:

Ever heard the line “no plan survives first contact with the enemy?” Well, no big law ever fully survives first contact with reality. There are always provisions that prove poorly drafted, or parts that don’t elicit quite the behavior you expected. Then there are the parts that work better than you expected, and which you want to expand.

Medicare was signed into law in 1965. In 1967, Congress passed a bill making a suite of technical changes and modest reforms to the new program. They did the same in 1972. The 1986 immigration bill was corrected in 1988. Social Security was altered in 1939, and has been changed time and again in the intervening years. Medicare Part D’s difficult implementation process led to Democrats calling hearings to gather ideas on how to fix it. This is how it should be. Laws are written on paper, not stone. They can be easily changed.

Usually.

In today’s New York Times, Jonathan Weisman and Robert Pear report on a peculiar problem faced by the Affordable Care Act: Republicans who’re unable to repeal it also refuse to permit any tweaks or technical correction that would help it work better. In fact, they’re creating new problems by withholding implementation funds.

This is a real problem for the law, and for the country. Back in January 2011, I called it the biggest danger for health reform, and I still think that’s right: If it persists, “what America will get is not the Affordable Care Act, and nor will it be repeal of the Affordable Care Act. It’ll be a hobbled version of the Affordable Care Act, where what works isn’t expanded and what fails isn’t replaced. And though that might be better than nothing for the uninsured, it will be pretty terrible policy.”

My first instinct is to just say WTF?, Then wonder if he is being serious, but I am going to logically and calmly walk through Ezra’s hissy fit and show how insane these fucking collectivist scumbags really are.

Let’s start with Ezra’s complaint which basically boils down to Republicans are to blame for Obamacare not working. Maybe we need to revisit some history, or not, especially considering how idiotic and outright deceptive this new accusation that the ACA is broken because of republicans, is.

Let’s start by reminding people that Pelosi told us we had to pass the ACA monstrosity to find out what was in it, and even the left, which back then tried hard to pretend that’s not what she said, or once it was confirmed she had said it, what she meant, no longer pretend s that is otherwise. Also remember that taxpayers footed the bill for the many pay-offs needed to get enough democrats on board to vote for this horrible bill – such as the $4.3 billion payoff referred to as “The New Louisiana Purchase”, which bought Marry Landrieu’s vote, and the many others outlined by people such as Malkin – before the ACA was passed on a purely partisan vote. We all are now seeing, firsthand, what’s in it that bill Pelosi told us to pass. One nightmare after another came to light, as we got to see what the donkeys packed their “Frankenstein government healthcare takeover” bill with, including the fact that Obamacare was a job killer, which caused the democrats, in a callous attempt to save their asses come the 2014 election, to delay the mandate (and mandate here doesn’t refer to 2 guys going out on a date).

Where have republicans stood on this onstrosity? Well, they have repeatedly failed attempts to repeal of ACA in Senate, and then, on a party line vote. Guess which party continues to try and save this economy crushing and job killing bill? Yeah, the same party Klein is so eager to drop down and suck cock for, as he pretends the problem with the ACA is evil republicans and not that the ACA gives new meaning to dysfunctional and reality-challenged stupidity. Let’s get back to more Klein stupidity.

There’s both a strategy and a principle at play here. The GOP really, truly hates Obamacare. They believe that their best chance to repeal it is to make it as big a mess as possible. Anything that makes it easier to live with makes it harder to get rid of. But they know that the chances of repeal are pretty slim. That’s where the politics come in. They think their best chance to retake the Senate in 2014 is to make Obamacare as big a mess as possible and then ride the outrage in the midterms.

They may be right about that, or they may be very wrong. But this is a theory that requires Republicans to knowingly damage America’s health-care system on the off-chance the damage is severe enough to help them accomplish a much larger policy goal. It’s a theory that requires them to choose to let problems fester because the pain is more politically useful than the cure.

The GOP hates Obamacare because it is a horrible law. Only fucking idiots believe you can offer 35 million plus more people “free healthcare”, without a major change to the existing capability and infrastructure, and while maintaining the same quality and access, while reducing cost, like the donkeys pretended they could with this piece of shit law. This isn’t free. And the gimmicks used to fooled no one but the people that wanted to be fooled. The CBO report that pretended Obamacare was going to actually reduce the deficit was laughable. Let’s point out a few obvious flaws these bastards tried real hard to pretend didn’t matter. First off, the CBO scoring window of 10 years was picked precisely to help fool people about costs. Then they set things up so they could immediately start collecting taxes and penalties while waiting 5 years before it started paying out anything. It’s not an accident that as time has gone by the CBO has had to rescore the numbers and ACA costs have drastically gone up while savings have vanished. Even more deceptive was the double counting around some horribly fudged Medicare money schemes and scams. And there is just too many other fundamentally insane and bad things wrong with this bill to go into, but in general, reality has shown, with announcement after announcement, like this one of costs drastically going up for all of us, that Obamacare is a disaster. You have to be an imbecile living in lala-land to still argue this bill is viable or anything but destructive and bad.

This isn’t about republicans trying to take advantage of democrats come the election either. Klein would love for people to really believe the issue is the intransigent and evil rethuglicans, and not that the ACA is an unworkable disaster. What we have here is democrats realizing how horrible Obamacare’s impact to the economy and healthcare system of our country will be, and then trying, desperately, to postpone the pain so they can avoid a massacre at the polls when people find out how bad they have been screwed. This thing cannot be fixed. That’s the fact. But the left can’t admit that’s the case. So the usual agents are all coming out of the woodwork to shift blame. They are at a huge disadvantage because no republican voted for this unmitigated disaster of a law, but that won’t stop them from trying. With people like Klein, willing and ready to lie for them, I can’t blame them.

Ideology and the fact that the left’s objective was never to fix anything, but to cement its hold on power, will prevent them from doing the right thing: killing the ACA dead. Obamacare is destroying the economy. It is a major job killer. The costs of Obamacare are astronomical, and there will be no deficit reduction. In fact, it will tack trillions to our deficit spending and debt as it spirals out of control. And the most important thing, what this monstrosity was intended to do from the start, is that it will destroy the current healthcare system. It will drive up costs, reduce quality, result in restricted and controlled access – likely with bureaucrats determining who gets care or not based on political criteria like we saw the IRS do to protect donkeys in the 2012 election – and basically bring healthcare in the US to its knees. In the end the big losers will be the American people. But that’s been the goal from the start: take it over, destroy it, and when left with no option, give the American people a government controlled single payer system that cements the donkey’s hold on power permanently. Fuck Klein and the left for that. Kill Obamacare.

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  1. ReganT

    Klein claims that “their best chance to repeal it is to make it as big a mess as possible.” The fact of the matter is that the R’s don’t have to do anything. It’s already a huge mess. A mess that the D’s created all by themselves.

    this is a theory that requires Republicans to knowingly damage America’s health-care system on the off-chance the damage is severe enough to help them accomplish a much larger policy goal.

    This is another example of how inaction = action. If Obamacare falls apart as it was written it will somehow be the fault of those who wanted nothing to do with it. What are the R’s doing to destroy this monstrosity? The many futile attempts at repeal? You’re going to have to come up with something better than that. Just because the Republicans want it to fail does not mean that they caused it to fail.

    Blaming R’s for this thing unraveling is like blaming the rebels for the fall of the empire because Luke Skywalker wouldn’t help rebuild the death star.

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  2. Hal_10000

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  3. AlexInCT *

    I actually think Klein has a point. We talked yesterday about the explosion of part-time jobs and how Obamacare is driving that. The GOP has shown no interest in repealing the employer mandate without repealing the whole thing.

    That’s because the republicans know the whole thing is broken, and are correct in believing that, Hal. When you are served a giant shit sandwich, the argument that you don’t care because you won’t let the people serving you that giant shit sandwich pour oodles of BBQ sauce on it to mask the shit, is specious at best. Republicans would be absolute idiots to believe democrats would not back stab them at the first chance if they were stupid enough to go along with this shit. The ONLY reason democrats want help from the republicans now is that they realize it is political suicide to let Obamacare steam on as is. There is no fucking fix. Anyone that believes there is one is a moron to begin with. Without this mandate we are looking at trillions of dollars that tax payers will now have to foot, be it directly or through deficit spending.

    Let me make a prediction: if the republicans were to actually step up and decide to work with the democrats, just to fix this employer mandate thing, they would later be the ones blamed for a “fix” that would cause even more pain, as I pointed out in this post. It’s a given. Democrats are looking for every possible excuse they can to find a way to shift blame. I am also under no illusion that the “fix” the left wants is anything other than something that forces employers to provide healthcare, costs be damned, or otherwise, completely destroys employer participation in healthcare offerings. The end goal of the ACA architects has always been, and will always remain, the destruction of the existing healthcare framework. That’s so people, left with a broken system and no options, will swallow the giant “single payer system” shit sandwich the left so desperately wants.

    There is no fix for Obamacare. Period! Pretending that what the democrats want to do right now is “fix” the horribly broken law by doing something – and that’s the key, the something they want is a delay so they can avoid angry citizens from punishing them at the polls in a year – employer mandate, is ridiculous. They were told when they were pushing this law that the employer mandate would result in exactly the scenario we are seeing now, and they not only chose to ignore it, but they resorted to accusing those that pointed this exact problem happening of wanting to deny people healthcare services. I have no doubt that what they will pretend is a “fix” will abso-fucking-lutely be something more painful and destructive to our healthcare system, to our employment market, and to our economy. Republicans would be absolute idiots to be tied to whatever shit the donkeys pretend is the fixx.

    Fuck the democrats now desperaely deflecting blame and the horse they rode in on. After they passed this massive pile of manure, on a party line vote, wasting billions in tax money to buy/coerce their own people to vote for it, despite all the warnings that this bill was a disaster in the making, despite all the obvious gimmicks, schemes, and scams to make this piece of shit look like it was going to be cutting cost, and knowing it was going to cause massive pain, they own this piece of shit lock stock and barrel. Republicans are idiots, but I hope they are not stupid enough to allow the democrats to fucking get away with this shit.

    Kill this evil and unconstitutional law, and start over. It is the only decent thing to do. If they really want to do something that is ground breaking & worthy, they can split health insurance up into catastrophic coverage that people buy (or government provides somehow) to cover the massive expensive things that are the root of all big healthcare cost related complaints, and leave other basic coverage to individuals and the market to determine. Costs would drop, people would get catastrophic coverage protection and avoid the financial problems they use as an excuse to justify government takeover of healthcare, and things might actually improve. Of course, the left’s agenda is not to fix or even improve healthcare in any meaningful or sensible way, but to break it so they can force a single payer system on us, so forget about that ever happening.

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  4. Seattle Outcast

    HAL is actually a democrat with moderate leanings. He just thinks that he isn’t.

    Anyhoo – using Medicaid and Medicare as examples of how it works should have been the first point of disassembling Klein’s article. Both of those programs are examples fraud, inefficiency, confusion, graft, and general bureaucratic nightmares – they are examples why Obamacare is doomed to epic failure.

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  5. ReganT

    I was actually referring to Klein’s claim that Republicans are damaging America’s health care system. As far as the effect the employer mandate has on jobs…I believe it’s overstated. The mandate (or the anticipation of it) was not moving millions of people from full time to part time work. I’m sure that it contributed to the surge in part time employment but there must be other driving factors involved.

    According to Klein, the employer mandate will only affect 0.18% of all employers in America. (From the link: 5.7 million total firms…10,000 or so firms who have 50 or more employees that do not offer insurance..employing about 1% of American workers.) 1% of all workers is about 1.36 million people. That is not an insignificant number especially if you are a component of that statistic. Keep in mind, however, that the mandate never went into effect and that only a fraction of the 0.18% of the total number of firms started to prepare for the mandates in the first place. Even if half of those affected had started ditching full timers in order to comply with upcoming requirements then I would agree that there is a problem but not something worthy of panic.

    Besides, the move from being a full time workforce to a part time one is part of a trend that started before Obamacare was even passed. This trend may be due to the still-open wound of the recession that we supposedly recovered from in 2009. To pass off the mandate as not only a major contributor but a driving force of this push to part time employment seems disingenuous at best. I think the Dem’s are feeling the temperature rise and are trying to pull the Republicans into the boiling pot with them.

    Also, agreeing with Alex, repeal of the employer mandate will not make the law squeaky clean. I think that there will be other problems coming down the pike. When the time comes, Democrats will start twisting Republican arms again in hopes of passing the next fix. The entire law needs to go. I know that’s pretty much a pipe dream but we should be treating the disease, not the symptoms.

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  6. Section8

    Alex, I was going to warn you about talking ill about Hal’s idol. I was too late.

    Anyhow Hal, just come out of the leftist closet for Christ’s sake. No one will think less of you or even be surprised by it for that matter.

    The GOP should not back down. It should not be reworked, it should be repealed, or go in as the grand and wonderful system we were promised. If they back down and compromise, you’ll be on here six months later talking about how they can’t take a stand and helped keep this pos alive.

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  7. Dave D

    They passed it without reading it. They can drown in it.

    It’s classic overreach and a blatant attempt at securing permanent low-information votes, along with the immigration bill.

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  8. Hal_10000

    Also, agreeing with Alex, repeal of the employer mandate will not make the law squeaky clean.

    I never said it would. But when the house in on fire, you have to start putting it out somewhere.

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  9. Hal_10000

    Also, laughing at comments about my lefty leanings over of a law that I vehemently opposed and have written about the problems with many times. But God forbid we should suggest trying to lessen the impact rather than pursue the fantasy that this thing can be repealed anytime in the near future. I like to deal with the politics of the possible; you like to deal with the politics of Fantasyland where all that’s necessary if for Republicans to show enough backbone. Whatever.

    They passed it without reading it. They can drown in it.

    The problem is that we are all drowning in it. That the Democrats are drowning with us does not make me feel better.

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  10. ReganT

    Wouldn’t you want to put out the whole fire?

    Anyway, my point was that repealing the employer mandate probably would not have the effect on the increase in part time employment that many think. I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that, mandate repealed, we would have an all time high in part time employment next summer as it has been on the rise for the last 5 years or so.

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  11. Hal_10000

    Here’s the thing:

    1) I believe that that collapse of Obamacare, and with it the insurance system, will inevitably lead to single payer. In telling the Republicans to let it burn, you are endorsing single payer. When the system collapses, the American people are not going to say,” Oh, woe! We should have listened to the conservatives! We throw ourselves at your mercy!” They will say, “We want more free stuff!”

    2) The Republican opposition to Obamcare is mostly theater. These ideas came from Republicans and were test-driven in Massachusetts. If it were called Romneycare or McCaincare, they wouldn’t have a problem with it. So their opposition is just more of the jerking off they’ve been doing for the last 12 years.

    Given that the opposition from Republicans is mostly theater and given that, if things continue on their present course, we are likely to end up in single-payer system, I would much rather have them quit pretending to be conservative and try to fix this utter cowpat of a law before the entire system collapses under the weight of it. This can’t wait until 2017 or later. That won’t stick it to those evil Democrats, I grant you. But it will help the country.

    Or we could just have the 57th pointless “repeal Obamacare” vote in the house while we slide toward Medicare For All. Your choice.

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  12. Section8

    Also, laughing at comments about my lefty leanings over of a law that I vehemently opposed and have written about the problems with many times

    You did write extensively on this, and many great thought out posts as a matter of fact. You’ve also written great posts on a many number of things, only to pull the flip flop when a stand is taken. That has also been done a number of times. Unfortunately it renders the belief on your opposition useless.

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  13. Section8

    In telling the Republicans to let it burn, you are endorsing single payer. When the system collapses, the American people are not going to say,” Oh, woe! We should have listened to the conservatives! We throw ourselves at your mercy!” They will say, “We want more free stuff!”

    You are absolutely right, under one condition. Republicans help to keep this pig propped up long enough to where it’s not fresh in everyone’s mind that it sucked from the beginning, that it took emergency measures to make it somewhat workable, and is in the end still a failure. Yeah 10 years from now the left could go back to their tried and true that it’s evil business, and not a jacked up program to begin with. They can’t do that right out of the gate. The democrats should have their hand forced now hit business with it now, so that in the public arena, it’s not business that was the problem here (because it’s not), it’s a shitty program. Considering this patch and replace tactic has been used over and over and over again with many other government programs, I have no idea why you’d want to use this same pattern again.

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  14. AlexInCT *

    I never said it would. But when the house in on fire, you have to start putting it out somewhere.

    Why?

    If the house that’s burning down is infested with termites and not fit to live in, build from dangerous and toxic materials such that attempts to put it out will cause far more harm and leave it uninhabitable anyway, or infected with a pathogenic deadly disease that leaves the place a death trap, the best thing to do is to let it burn down. Obamacare is worse than any house burning down scenarios I mention.

    In fact, if Obamacare were a house burning down I would posit that we would be doing everyone a favor to pour as much flammable material on it to help it burn down as quick as possible. At least once the thing is burned to ashes and a hole in the ground we can rebuild something decent and clean in its place.

    I have already pointed out that while many would like to fool people into eating the Obamacare turd sandwich, it doesn’t become palatable simply by pouring some BBQ sauce on it like the democrats want to pretend.

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  15. Argive

    But God forbid we should suggest trying to lessen the impact rather than pursue the fantasy that this thing can be repealed anytime in the near future. I like to deal with the politics of the possible; you like to deal with the politics of Fantasyland where all that’s necessary if for Republicans to show enough backbone. Whatever.

    At this point, the only way that the GOP could repeal Obamacare in its entirety (even if they wanted to, which they really don’t), would be if they possessed the Green Lantern’s ring. Honestly, much online political discussion is based on similar yearnings. The left-o-sphere is full of people steadfastly maintaining that Obama could have drummed up way more support for (fill in the blank) if he’d just used the bully pulpit more. Never mind that this is not true.

    They passed it without reading it. They can drown in it.

    They also passed the Patriot Act without reading it, as I recall. Should we not work to fix the things wrong with that piece of far-reaching legislation? I, for one, don’t really feel like throwing up my hands and saying, “screw it, it’s your problem!” when the negative consequences will affect everyone.

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  16. AlexInCT *

    I believe that that collapse of Obamacare, and with it the insurance system,

    That’s why you get this wrong, Hal. You for some unbelievable reason seem to believe Obamacare collapsing will hinder/harm the insurance system and bring it down. Most of us that do not have our nose so far up the idiotic left’s ass we can’t tell the rest of our head is stuck in there as well, see that Obamacare is what will destroy the heath insurance system for sure. The healthcare system, for all the complaints about it was not as bad as it now is going to become under Obamacare, worked for the people that were in it and didn’t think it should give them the ability to freeload on other people’s dime, and will never become as bad as Obamacare will make it. [edited to make it more understandable]

    Obamacare and its supposed mission of making healthcare affordable and accessible is a fucking giant lie. You can’t tack on 35+ million consumers, regulate the economy & employment into the shitter, promise all sorts of costly but ridiculous freebies to buy votes and support, all without any changes to boost up access to healthcare providers and the number of healthcare professionals, and pretend this is not going to devastate the system and drastically jack up prices. This thing was ill conceived and broken from the start.

    Pretending Obamacare can be made to work is like pretending that if we but sent Charles Manson to daycare maybe this time he would come out a decent human being. It’s nuts. You do not try to wean a man eating predator from eating man, you kill the fucker. Same with Obamacare, which is a far bigger monster than any world predator.

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  17. Mississippi Yankee

    These ideas came from Republicans and were test-driven in Massachusetts. If it were called Romneycare or McCaincare, they wouldn’t have a problem with it.

    As we’ve discussed in the past Mitt Romney did not write the health-care law in Massachusetts. Democrats did. And as the (R) governor in what at the time was the bluest state he knew his veto (and it’s eventual over-ride) would cause more harm to anything else he hoped to accomplish while there.

    It was the donks that named that fiasco Romneycare because they knew it was doomed to fail. And by pinning it onto a (R) with political ambitions they (and perhaps you) believed it could become his “Scarlet Letter”. Turns out it worked. Yet the people of Massachusetts are still saddled with it but ARE NOT now, or anytime soon, seeing a single payer system. I grew up there and there’s not one person I know that’s happy with what they ended up with. Maybe that explains how Brown was elected and why Princess Lieawatha only squeaked by in her’s.

    As much as I enjoy watching you scramble when other people call you on your duplicity I’m not gonna let you tell outright lies either.
    Now if that falls under the heading of trolling then so be it.

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  18. hist_ed

    There is a big difference between Obamacare and all the rest of the major legislation that has been tinkering with over the last few decades: Obamacare is a owned by the Democratic party. Every other big piece of social legislation (and even the Patriot Act) was passed on bipartisan votes. The Dems own Obamacare.

    In a few years, if this really goes as badly as it looks like it might, “Did you vote for Obamacare?” might just be the most important litmus test in elections-not in San Fransisco or Seattle or Boston, but in the swing districts that decide elections. Maybe I’m dreaming a little here, but I can hope.

    So I, too, hope it comes crashing down. Hal, you argue that it will mean single payer. Don’t you think some people, a lot of people, will see it as a proof that government involvement in this system should be reduced? As the dems try to pass socialized health care, the line will be: “they gave us the Obamacare mess and now they want to do it again.”

    We need a more libertarian GOP (Hahahah, yeah, I know) that can articulate a free (er) market approach to health care.

    f course if the amnesty passes its all over so we might as well just go for single payer and get it over with.

    The most important thing about this is Obama waiving the employer mandate. This is impeachable. He is simply ignoring a law because he doesn’t like it (I know, I know, not the first time-but nothing this big). Bush’s fucking signing statements started us on this road, but this is beyond the pale. I honestly don’t understand how this isn’t bigger. There should be a few democrats saying somethnig but nope, nothing. They really do only care about power.

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  19. Mississippi Yankee

    Hal, from your link

    But there was one twist: Romneycare, as passed by the Massachusetts legislature, included both an individual mandate and an employer mandate, making it more like Enthoven’s “managed competition” plan than Heritage’s individual-market plan. Romney vetoed the employer mandate, but the legislature, which was 80 percent Democratic, overrode his veto.

    Romney’s health plan, as written by the Heritage people, is NOT what was passed by the Massachusetts legislature. Which is why Mitt tried to veto part of it, and as your link discusses he saw how well his veto of any part of it would turn out. And as I said he moved on to other issues.

    My earlier comment was meant as a generalization as we’ve been down this road before but please feel free to use “weasel words” to defend yourself. It affords us all with cheap entertainment.

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  20. Hal_10000

    Good points, hist_ed, but I’m not as optimistic about what happens as this falls.

    I agree with you on the delay of the employer mandate. He didn’t even try to get Congress to approve that. But he knows that no one wants to challenge it in court so he can get away with it.

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  21. AlexInCT *

    Good points, hist_ed, but I’m not as optimistic about what happens as this falls.

    I am far, far more concerned about what happens if any piece of this is allowed to stand, Hal.

    Obamacare’s main purpose, regardless of what anyone pretends or tells us otherwise, was to bring the healthcare system as it currently exists to its knees and to crash it down, all so they can then tell us the only alternative is a single payer system run and owned by government.

    There isn’t a single promise they made us before passing Obamacare that will stand. We will all end up with employers that stop providing healthcare benefits, sooner than later. None of us will be allowed to keep our existing plans. These plans will either fail to comply with pieces of the law and become obsolete/illegal, or worse, end up costing so much that we can’t afford them anyway. Cost will sky rocket. Access will be regulated, and regulated by politically motivated bureaucrats with agendas and delusions of grandeur. And if you let them tell you otherwise you deserve the royal fucking that our nanny staters have planned for us all (for our own good, of course). There will be death panels. There will be more onerous regulations that will be implemented, again for our own good, to force behavior government wants. The more they try to “fix things” the more destructive and overwhelming will be the impact on both the healthcare system and our economy. It will bring any functioning system to its knees. It’s the big wheel in the Cloward-Piven agenda – that onerous amnesty bill is the second and final nail in the coffin – that Obama and his handlers promised us would fundamentally change America.

    So, yeah. Pardon me if I think Obamacare failing, crashing and burning, and then being shoveled onto the ash heap of history is the absolute best thing that can happen to us, while any attempts to fix it only amount to America being what ends up crashing & burning and on the ash heap of history. Fuck the parasitic and evil left and their collectivist agenda.

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  22. Xetrov

    When the system collapses, the American people are not going to say,” Oh, woe! We should have listened to the conservatives! We throw ourselves at your mercy!” They will say, “We want more free stuff!”

    That statement works for a hell of a lot more than just healthcare. SS, Medicare, Food stamps, etc.

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  23. hist_ed

    But he knows that no one wants to challenge it in court so he can get away with it.

    I really wish someone would. Two types probably have standing: Someone working more than 30 hours a week at a job that doesn’t provide health insurance (and had more than 50 employees) or a business that does provide health insurance but who has a competitor who doesn’t.

    I can’t imagine this would be anything but a slam dunk. Obama’s been on the losing side of some 9-0 decisions. This is really fucking important. I have rejected the fascist hyperbole in the past, but this is a big step towards totalitarianism-the executive gets to ignore laws it doesn’t like. I truly don’t understand why more people aren’t going ape shit over this. The rule of law is dying and almost no one cares.

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  24. AlexInCT *

    I have rejected the fascist hyperbole in the past, but this is a big step towards totalitarianism-the executive gets to ignore laws it doesn’t like. I truly don’t understand why more people aren’t going ape shit over this.

    It’s only fascism if Team Red is in power. Then everything is evil and Hitleresueqe, warranting international condemnation, judgment, and imprisonment or execution. Team Blue however can do no wrong. They mean well and care, don’t you know? They spy on everyone, including their own citizens? Meh! No big deal. They tell us they really don’t look at it unless they suspect the people are terrorists or working with them. What? You don’t buy that after the DOJ and the IRS have been caught actively targeting political enemies of this administration in flagrant and horrible abuses of power? You must be one of the idiots that can’t wait for the investigation and facts to make up your minds. That the investigations are done by the same people committing the crimes and abuses of power, shouldn’t factor in the fact that these fucks always find that there has been no wrong committed, even when it is blatant that such abuses and criminal acts have occurred, and the investigations stinks of a cover-up. Until the LSM says there is a crime there isn’t one. And even then, we won’t believe there is one.

    As I pointed out back when people were screaming how much of an evil fascist Boosh was, demanding he be dragged in front of an international court so they could judge him a mass murdering prick, and pointing out America was engaged in cowboy diplomacy: the next democrat in power will remind us all what real fascism, mass murdering, and cowboy diplomacy is like. Obama went beyond any and all expectations I could have had to prove that right.

    If you need me to rehash how much more fucked up he has been than Boosh, you are probably one of the idiots that keeps posting absurd defenses of the blatant abuses of power and law breaking, demanding we let the criminals investigate and report on their own criminal activity, before we pass judgment. Of course, had the occupant of the WH had an (R) by their name, none of the people now pretending that the DOJ or the WH aren’t basically criminal syndicates writ large these days, that they have gone far beyond and all of the wildest fantasies the left had about the evil perpetrated by Boosh, and are acting like the people with the problem are those of us that won’t let go of the fact that these scumbags are totalitarian thugs that think the law only applies to their political enemies, and not them.

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    If you need me to rehash how much more fucked up he has been than Boosh, you are probably one of the idiots that keeps posting absurd defenses of the blatant abuses of power and law breaking, demanding we let the criminals investigate and report on their own criminal activity, before we pass judgment.

    Uhh Alex, it’s me: Ole Hist_ed here. I know I am an irregular visitor to these here parts (summer time so I got some time now, though three kids at home for the first time means not as much as usual). Not a friend o’ Obama. Just because I have resisted throwing the term fascism around doesn’t mean I’m an Obama fan. I mostly resist because the terms fascist and Nazi have lost their meaning (I did a bunch of graduate work on early to mid 20th century German politics. Hitler and Mussolini were hard core leftist revolutionaries). Mostly “fascist” means “something I disagree with” these days.

    I was also accused a few times ’round these parts of being part of the Bush faithful. I think Bush sucked, just not for the reasons most do. Which is why I don’t tend to criticize the war time powers Obama is using (How he is using them is something else-I think we would be far better off capturing and interrogating they enemy rather than blasting them to bits).

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