And Now Syria

The White House has made it official: Syria has crossed the “red line” of using chemical weapons on the opposition. McCain, ever eager for another war, is saying we are going to start aiding the rebels. The WH has yet to confirm.

The Syrian opposition is kind of difficult to define. But we know at least one element includes radical Islamists. We should stay out. It’s a horrible thing — 100,000 dead according to the latest estimate. But I don’t see that our getting involved will solve anything.

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  1. Hal_10000 *

    Oh, I’m sure that’s just a coincidence, Xetrov.

    What?

    ..

    Quit looking at me like that! Stop that laughing back there! I’M SURE IT”S JUST A COINCIDENCE! Just because Obama’s embroiled in like 17 scandals and has suddenly decided we need to pay attention to a war that’s been going on for years because of something we knew about months ago? What are the odds?

    If we do get involved, I propose we call this “Snowden’s War”.

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  2. Section8

    The UN can handle with their “Responsibility to Protect”. Since there are about 190 countries in the UN, I’m sure they can gather up enough countries who feel “responsible to protect” and provide the needed military support.

    Or they can write a letter, and if that doesn’t work go with a strongly worded letter.

    Either way, it’s not our issue and should not become our issue.

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  3. Ed Kline

    I’ve never understood the ‘red line’ of chemical weapons. In theory it implies it’s fine if they kill off their citizenry as long as they just stick to bullets. It’s kind of ridiculous. That being said, we should keep the hell out of it regardless.

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  4. Hal_10000 *

    Yeah, I could understand the red line if they were attacking Israel or Turkey or something. but the red line just seems like one of those random things Obama decided on that is biting him in the ass.

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  5. Mississippi Yankee

    Putin will put his foot down. He hasn’t been supplying Syria with troops and arms for most of the past year out of the kindness of his commie heart.

    It’s really, really sad to see how far we’ve slid down on the World stage in the last 4 years.

    Wanna bet Assad does something incredibly stupid before summer’s end just to force everyone’s hand? It’s gonna be like the 3-way shoot out in the graveyard at the end of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
    Israel, Vladimir Bonaparte and Ozero.

    And the music is fan-fucking-tastic

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  6. hist_ed

    I’ve never understood the ‘red line’ of chemical weapons. In theory it implies it’s fine if they kill off their citizenry as long as they just stick to bullets

    Agreed. Somehow shredding people with shrapnel from artillery shells or grenades (or drone strikes) is civilized, but poison gas isn’t. It’s war, none of it is civilized.

    It’s like the debate over the use of nukes on Japan. More people were killed in the Tokyo fire bombings than either Nagasaki or Hiroshima, but somehow being incinerated or blasted apart by convention weapons is better than being incinerated or blasted apart by nukes.

    Dying in agony sucks no matter what weapon kills you.

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  7. Mississippi Yankee

    What in the hell is our government doing?

    Whatever we allow…

    “All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.”
    Exactly which of Edmund Burke’s work this quote is cited from is still unknown.

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  8. Section8

    What does the world pine for CM? Where’s that responsibility to protect? I guess it’s a part-time endeavor? Maybe it should be renamed sorta kinda responsible. Man, considering how quick we had to rush into Libya, I would think by now the world would be outraged over the UN leadership unless sitting idle and watching a rising death toll is the civilized way to handle “responsibility to protect”. Maybe NZ will step up and do something while all the other countries bicker. We can only hope.

    You’ve been quiet lately as well as much of the left around here. I guess when it turns out the greatest and smartest man alive backed by the smartest people alive turns out at best to be no better than the GOP dumbshit that preceded him, it kind kills the hubris, or lays the groundwork for just blatant and laughable hypocrisy for those not ready to give that up. Kind of sad options for the left crowd these days. :( I’ll give you credit for staying quiet for the most part. The only reasonable option that would leave any dignity.

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  9. Dave D

    Great post, S8!

    I’ll give you credit for staying quiet for the most part. The only reasonable option that would leave any dignity.

    Have a problem with this, since the only REAL dignity would come from admitting that the current toolbags in charge are actually WORSE than the prececessors (same number of wars, triple the spending/debt, worsening economy, scandals galore) and call for voting them out, but any other party or ideology would not condone freebies and giveaways to buy votes in perpetuity in the name of “fairness”. The left has no dignity. If that’s what you meant, then I agree.

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  10. CM

    You’ve been quiet lately as well as much of the left around here.

    Can’t speak for anyone else but for me it’s the busiest time at work and home for many many years.
    I’ll get it to when I can (probably means having to stay up even later, and I’m not getting enough sleep as it is). You make some excellent points. Although Syria is clearly a very complicated situation (reconciling humanitarian ideals with geopolitical concerns), so it comes across as a little strange to mock anyone (or the left in general) for not having a simple and easy solution. You know, as simple as banal old statements like “the left has no dignity”.

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  11. AlexInCT

    Heh, the guy with the proactive political Nobel peace prize drag us into yet another war that will destabilize a muslim country and leave a whole bunch of people that will come gunning for American in a few years to satiate their blood lust.

    Am I the only one that sees the irony in the whole stupid Nobel peace prize fiasco? Shit, I am betting those hoity-toity Eurotrash sure wish they could go back and undo that stupid. I swear you could not make this shit up, it’s so bizarre and stupid.

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  12. Mississippi Yankee

    Shit, I am betting those hoity-toity Eurotrash sure wish they could go back and undo that stupid.

    It’s part of the master plan Alex.

    1) Award Nobel Peace prize
    2)……….
    3)Prophets

    OSPR
    [obscure South Park reference]

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  13. Section8

    Can’t speak for anyone else but for me it’s the busiest time at work and home for many many years.
    I’ll get it to when I can (probably means having to stay up even later, and I’m not getting enough sleep as it is).

    No rush, and not being sarcastic. While it’s fun to post here, obviously it shouldn’t be top priority in anyone’s life.

    Although Syria is clearly a very complicated situation (reconciling humanitarian ideals with geopolitical concerns), so it comes across as a little strange to mock anyone (or the left in general) for not having a simple and easy solution.

    My mockery was more of the Messiah turning out to be Bush Jr. But on that thought, of course the answers aren’t easy, but keep in mind the left built themselves up a geniuses, the UN is the trusted authority, so the “it’s hard” excuse doesn’t really cut it for me. Of course it’s hard, but hey that’s why we look to the brilliant people these days. I guess we’ll keep waiting.

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  14. AlexInCT

    Am I evil for pointing out that, just like during the Iran-Iraq war where I hoped both sides fighting would lose, I think we should let the Syrians just do their thing to each other? You don’t get in the way of bad/stupid when it turns on itself. And that’s what this Syrian fiasco is all about. I guarantee you that the side we help will turn right on us as soon as it feels it is free to do so. If one were really evil, the recommendation would be to arm both sides, and to do so incrementally, in a way that neither side could ever take down the other, as the casualties mount. maybe that’s the policy of “Team Drone Strike Everyone”? He really wants to earn that peace prize I guess.

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