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  1. AlexInCT *

    13 out of 13 correct — I think it took me a whole minute, maybe…

    You were probably distracted like I was too.

    Seriously, based on the lack of perfect results from this cheezy and simple test I feel like crying that so many people know so little.

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  2. Seattle Outcast

    Too bad they don’t sort by political spectrum – it would be interesting to see where basic science knowledge resides in the far left/right.

    I suspect that libertarians score the highest, but that’s just my personal experience.

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  3. salinger

    Too bad they don’t sort by political spectrum

    Yeah I wonder how the earth is is five thousand years old and Jesus rode a dinosaur crowd would do.

    I mean, when the majority of the slate of potential presidential candidates won’t admit that creationism is a bit far fetched…

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  4. Ed Kline

    13/13, roughly 30 seconds.
    Men did better than women on 11 of the 13 questions, the exceptions being the ones about antibiotics and which was is better to test for drug efficacy. Makes sense women would do better about health related questions, because if it doesn’t concern them directly they typically don’t give a shit.

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  5. AlexInCT *

    I got 14 and did it in 2.2 seconds.

    You forgot to mention you did it with your eyes closed and while randomly picking answers…

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  6. AlexInCT *

    Makes sense women would do better about health related questions, because if it doesn’t concern them directly they typically don’t give a shit.

    You are going to pay for that staement somehow I bet Ed :)

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  7. CM

    You forgot to mention you did it with your eyes closed and while randomly picking answers…

    Well, you know, I am not the normal person.

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  8. Mississippi Yankee

    I answered all correctly but didn’t get credit for the questions about gender, age, education. So put me down for 16/16

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  9. Iconoclast

    I don’t use Internet Explorer.

    I don’t use a browser at all — I simply load the hypertext stream into a hex editor and decode/visualize it in my head…

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  10. Miguelito

    Yeah I wonder how the earth is is five thousand years old and Jesus rode a dinosaur crowd would do.

    As someone who went to a catholic school from 1/2-way through K and all the way through 12… I can tell you that the science courses there were far ahead of all but the few “magnet” public schools. Those magnet ones were about the same at best. I knew a lot of people across all the local private/religious schools and this was the same across them all.

    Religion often had it’s own “class” time, but was kept completely separate and was basically time to ease off a bit from the studying the rest of the classes required. I never have been a religious person either. I just learned to go along with what I knew they wanted. A skill that came in might handy in college with classes in areas like sociology and political science too, let me tell you.

    Oh, and I did get 13/13 in ~1min, but I took it on my ipad and it was a tad slow loading the pages on there… so :P Oddly, twice a wrong answer was initially highlighted when the page loaded on me.

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  11. Seattle Outcast

    Contrary to what most people think, Catholics tend not to be religious extremists. That’s what the various flavors of evangelical door-knocking assholes are for….

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  12. AlexInCT *

    Contrary to what most people think, Catholics tend not to be religious extremists. That’s what the various flavors of evangelical door-knocking assholes are for….

    HAVE YOU FOUND JEBUS YET????

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  13. stogy

    I’m a bit surprised that those questioning the fundamentals of climate science got 100%. I was expecting a political tirade here on left-leaning quizzes once I hit that one.

    As for my results? Well, I’m not one to brag…

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  14. stogy

    I did a ‘which x-men character are you’ quiz and I got Wolverine.

    Unless you can sprout indestructible blades from the tops of your hands, you should ask for your 4 minutes back.

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  15. AlexInCT *

    I’m a bit surprised that those questioning the fundamentals of climate science got 100%

    That’s because the questions were properly constructed to reflect the fact that the “climate science” built in bias was just that bias and the choice of answers was limited. They didn’t ask “Which greenhouse gas is the one most responsible for warming”, because had the question been that, the answers would all have been wrong without water vapor being there. Instead, the question was constructed with the “most scientists believe – settled science” caviat to allow the answer options they provide.

    BTW Stogy, if your point was that because the quiz asked this idiotic question it validates what the climate change cultists believe, you are even dumber than you come accross as, dude. I can know what the cultists believe and still know it is based on bad science, and still get the answer right based on the options, without it lending any validity to the idiotic beliefs held by the cultists. How you ask what you ask, and the answers you then allow to that question, doesn’t make what you are trying to say scientific or valid, and one can get the answer right even though the question is idiotic and based on bad science.

    I heard Science did a quiz about Alex and only got 7 out of 13

    IN SOVIET RUSSIA SCIENCE QUIZ DOES YOU!

    I am surprised science got 7 out of 13 right, cause these days what passes for science seems to be be based on some very unscientific shit.

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  16. Ed Kline

    You are going to pay for that staement somehow I bet Ed :)

    Yeah, I really shouldn’t use my real name. This shit stays out here for all eternity.

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  17. salinger

    As someone who went to a catholic school from 1/2-way through K and all the way through 12… I can tell you that the science courses there were far ahead of all but the few “magnet” public schools

    I went to parochial grade school back in the 70s and we were taught evolution in science class. This does not change the fact that religious nuts have such a grip on the right that republican presidential candidates openly doubt the veracity of evolution.

    Oh and SO, libertarians are not immune to this idiocy.

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  18. AlexInCT *

    I went to parochial grade school back in the 70s and we were taught evolution in science class. This does not change the fact that religious nuts have such a grip on the right that republican presidential candidates openly doubt the veracity of evolution.

    it is a well orchestrated & protected narrative that the only people with this problem are right wing, but I have met them accross the spectrum. in fact, some of the most hard core bible thumping nuts I met were hard core socialist and thus democrats.

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  19. salinger

    it is a well orchestrated & protected narrative that the only people with this problem are right wing, but I have met them accross the spectrum. in fact, some of the most hard core bible thumping nuts I met were hard core socialist and thus democrats.

    So how does the fact of republican presidential candidates stating that they have doubts about evolution during a televised national debates and other taped campaign appearances compare with an apocryphal personal encounter?

    As for Marxism – seems to me that a pretty big character I learned about back in my Catholic school days displayed some pretty socialist tendencies.

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  20. Seattle Outcast

    Oh and SO, libertarians are not immune to this idiocy.

    Looking for the generalities, not the statistical outliers.

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  21. salinger

    Looking for the generalities, not the statistical outliers

    I thought this guy was a libertarian rock star?

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  22. CM

    They didn’t ask “Which greenhouse gas is the one most responsible for warming”, because had the question been that, the answers would all have been wrong without water vapor being there.

    Why wouldn’t water vapour have been there? Sounds like you’re substituting your opinion for fact again.

    It’s the additional warming that matters (and the fact that CO2 also stays aloft for more than a century, as a can nitrous oxide). The issue with water vapor is that scientists fear that more will be produced as the earth warms, further exacerbating warming.

    But then you keep proving over and over again that you have no interest in being objective on this issue. You certainly have no actual interest in the science. It’s hilarious that you keep pretending you do, because everything you post screams the opposite.

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  23. AlexInCT *

    Why wouldn’t water vapour have been there? Sounds like you’re substituting your opinion for fact again.

    You are an idiot CM. Water vapor is by far the most abundant greenhouse gas, and that is because it is capable of trapping the most IR energy, bar none, from solar radiation. The oceans, another form of H2O (liquid since science seems to be something you have no clue of, and chemesty is science), is the planet’s biggest heat sink as well. Google it. It’s not to hard to find even if your usual sources ignore it all the time so they can sell the lies that they hope will allow them to enslave the sheep in your collectivist hell.

    Why do I bother? You are a fucking AGW cultist and no fact will ever get in the way of your faith.

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  24. Section8

    WHO FUCKING CARES IS SOMEONE THINKS GOD CREATED EVERYTHING. BIG FUCKING DEAL. So what did we learn from this quiz based on responses?

    1) Yet again, if you don’t buy in to the climate change idea you must not have a clue about science, because after all there is no science other than climate change, and a definition of a “climate scientist” can range from a handful to thousands depending on who you’re debating at the time and what the debate is about.

    2) Jesus riding dinosaurs may be silly, but not nearly as sad as the leftist run education system, yes leftist run, with unions and incompetent administrators that despite receiving more god damn money per student than pretty much anywhere else in the world are more concerned about johnny’s feelings, and having less accountability for their own performance, than actually teaching johnny anything, and that means anything science included. Creationism, silly or not, isn’t the fucking problem. IT DOES NOT EXIST IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, so enough of this shit that it has something to do with the shitty leftist run education system in this country or any other problem for that matter. It’s as much of a fantasy as that deity you despise so much.

    Oh and Paul is a doctor, from that quack university of Duke. What are your credentials?

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  25. CM

    You are an idiot CM.

    That’s certainly the opposite of what the evidence shows.

    Water vapor is by far the most abundant greenhouse gas, and that is because it is capable of trapping the most IR energy, bar none, from solar radiation.

    Who is disputing that? Did you even read what I wrote?

    The oceans, another form of H2O (liquid since science seems to be something you have no clue of, and chemesty is science), is the planet’s biggest heat sink as well. Google it. It’s not to hard to find even if your usual sources ignore it all the time so they can sell the lies that they hope will allow them to enslave the sheep in your collectivist hell.

    I must behonest and confess that I’ve never heard of “chemesty”. Is that a blog-science discipline, practised solely on right-wing political blogs?

    Again, who is denying that the oceans have acted as a large carbon sink? I see you are continuing the lame strategy of making shit up and then complaining about it.

    The issue of the ocean, if you were paying attention, is whether it will continue to act as a sink in the same way it has. For example ocean acidification by anthropogenic CO2 may affect the biological pump by negatively impacting calcifying organisms.

    Why do I bother? You are a fucking AGW cultist and no fact will ever get in the way of your faith.

    No thanks, I’ll go with the science unless there is a good reason not to. I’m not the one making shit up and conflating science with political ideology. That would be consistent with the cult. But then I keep pointing that out and you’re always strangely unable to dispute it.

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  26. CM

    Even allowing for the relative strength of the effects, CO2 is still responsible for two-thirds of the additional warming caused by all the greenhouse gases emitted as a result of human activity.

    Water vapour will play a huge role in the centuries to come, though. Climate models, backed by satellite measurements, suggest that the amount of water vapour in the upper troposphere (about 5 to 10 kilometres up) will double by the end of this century as temperatures rise.

    This will result in roughly twice as much warming than if water vapour remained constant. Changes in clouds could lead to even greater amplification of the warming or reduce it – there is great uncertainty about this. What is certain is that, in the jargon of climate science, water vapour is a feedback, but not a forcing.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11652-climate-myths-co2-isnt-the-most-important-greenhouse-gas.html

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  27. salinger

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  28. Section8

    I know I am wasting my breath: it’s not so much how much money is spent – it is what it is spent on. I have linked to many examples of how schools are being used as a means to suck public money into private hands with no real concern toward the student’s education.

    Quite right, part of the accountability factor. As far as it going to some private enterprise, you sound as though that’s bad by default. Your wares you sell to schools are part of the private enterprise spending from the public tit is it not? I wonder what the ROI is on that? Anyhow, I saw your latest example a couple of weeks ago regarding a database that cost 100 mil, except it cost the schools nothing so far. It’s their choice to use it or not when they do start billing in 2015. Personally, I think parents having access online to their kids performance might not be so bad, especially when the bulk of the investment costs schools absolutely nothing. This spending still doesn’t address the decline in standards we’ve seen in education over the years.

    And of course, this has nothing to do with the question at hand re: evolution deniers at the top of the Republican Party.

    Better question: I wonder how all the people would have scored that were victims of the shoddy leftist run education system that doesn’t value accountability?

    You and your friends on the left just keep on staying focused on the creationism boogeyman though. It keeps the focus off the real problems.

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  29. salinger

    As far as it going to some private enterprise, you sound as though that’s bad by default.

    Not by default – I didn’t say all money spent by schools is wasted. I said it matters what it is spent on. Here is an example of something that ate up a whole bunch of tax dollars and was useless.

    Now teachers and administrators told the folks who demanded this implemented – that there was no valid research to back their claims. Didn’t matter - the deck was stacked.

    What’s happening is our education system is being reworked from a deeper instruction that is harder to measure to a shallow instruction that is easy to measure. It’s really as simple as that.

    When do you think the schools where getting it right? Tell me the time frame and I’ll tell you the difference in instructional philosophy between that time and what is being pushed now. (Obama’s policies aren’t any better than Bush’s.)

    You want to know where the best American schools are right now? Overseas – places like Singapore, Jakarta, Cairo and Hong Kong. Ex-pats and locals fight for the opportunity to send their kids to these schools – even in Korea and Japan – the American schools have waiting lists to get in. Why? Because the teaching is the best in the world. It’s not a coincidence that these schools are not bound by the federal programs governing the public schools here.

    Your wares you sell to schools are part of the private enterprise spending from the public tit is it not?

    This really concerns you. Rest assured, my work holds up. Basically what I do is write classroom lessons. Even thought the schools can buy the books with these lessons in them – they still like to pay me to come and model the lesson – showing the teachers how to use them and provide the research on which they are based.

    So – since I do not have to worry about grading, parents, administrators or daily lesson plans – I spend my time reading pedagogic research attending conferences and classes and then develop curricular activities that use this knowledge. I also align and justify them with whatever the current state standards are – saving the teacher this work. I do this as an independent contractor. If my work didn’t provide a decent ROI I would have to go back to engineering. I’m creeping up on ten years self employed – I must be doing something right.

    Better question: I wonder how all the people would have scored that were victims of the shoddy leftist run education system that doesn’t value accountability?

    First off – this is just a stupid thing to say. The idea that anyone in the education system does not believe in accountability is just a load of shit.

    Are there disagreements on what qualifies as valid assessment of both students and teachers – yes.

    But to say that teachers and school administrators do not believe in accountability is ignorant in the classic definition.

    You and your friends on the left just keep on staying focused on the creationism boogeyman though. It keeps the focus off the real problems.

    I replied to a comment wondering if political leaning might be correlated to scores on this science test. I replied that most folks who do not believe in earth science (the earth being over 5,000 years old) and or evolution lean to the right. I wasn’t aware that I was ignoring a “real” problem by responding to Seattle Outcast’s question.

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  30. Section8

    First off – this is just a stupid thing to say. The idea that anyone in the education system does not believe in accountability is just a load of shit.

    Really?

    That’s like saying bullshit that the Earth rotates around the Sun. You’re not one of those Creationists are you?

    Here’s just one example.

    http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_23143360/lausd-supt-john-deasy-faces-performance-evaluation-by

    They don’t like him precisely because he’s demanding accountability. And if I’m not mistaken LA Unified has about a 20 to 25 percent dropout rate. This isn’t some 2 bit school district out there with 500 kids, this is one of the largest in the nation. It’s the same pattern the same pattern every time this happens — Accountability = teacher’s unions going nuts. Every time.

    This really concerns you. Rest assured, my work holds up.

    Your work doesn’t concern me simply because I have not seen it so I can’t make a personal judgement either way. Might be the worst ever, or it could be the greatest thing the education institution could get its hands on or anything in between. My point was more you seem to have an issue with any introduction of choice in schools, prefer the monopoly of the State, and constantly criticize any private involvement, which then would include you? So my question was more of what makes you so special that you get an exemption.

    As far as Bush and Obama, I’m referring to the administration and unions at the local level. They were falling apart before Bush or Obama even came along. I think more Federal involvement is not the answer.

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  31. salinger

    Here’s just one example.

    Your example proves my point. Nobody is asking for NO accountability – they are disagreeing on what makes for valid assessment. Basing a teacher’s worth on the scores his or her students receive on a standardized test has been proven over and over again to be an incomplete and in many cases highly flawed approach. It is a simplistic and shallow way to assess achievement – it is easy to do and looks straightforward enough to non-educators though. Using the same logic – why shouldn’t this superintendent be fired if all his teachers do not pass this assessment?

    My point was more you seem to have an issue with any introduction of choice in schools, prefer the monopoly of the State, and constantly criticize any private involvement, which then would include you?

    Not at all – the schools I cited as best examples of American teaching are schools that folks attend by choice. My contention is and will continue to be – choice is not cure all. Right now the charter school movement is offering little more than just that – choice. They are not performing any better, as a whole, than the public school systems that they are supposedly rescuing these students from. All they are accomplishing is taking tax money and funneling it into private sector hands. Instead of wasting our tax dollars on the charter choice movement we should be looking at the successful schools – private and public – and replicating what they are doing right – a lot of which is in spite of government intervention.

    So my question was more of what makes you so special that you get an exemption.

    I am not getting an exemption. I am providing research based lessons that work. You have somehow decided that I am against private sector involvement in schools. I am not – I am against uninformed, simplistic, expensive and ineffectual private sector involvement in schools. I am also against uninformed, simplistic, expensive and ineffectual government involvement in schools.

    How would you like someone from outside your industry – say a really really successful grocer come into you workplace and tell you that you have to align to the standards and practices that worked in his grocery? Keep your files in a freezer, throw out any stock that is more than 3 days old etc.

    I am a single independent contractor – if my work didn’t stand up and improve the students learning I wouldn’t be hired. Most of my contracts comes through word of mouth and recommendations from past clients. I’m as free market as you can get.

    I think more Federal involvement is not the answer.

    I’ve said these same words over and over here. You just don’t want to hear them from me.

    This will be the third time I ask this question – When do folks here think the education system was getting it right?

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  32. salinger

    Here’s a very relevant link re: the school choice movement. Why does this guy deserve to pay himself $400,000.00 of your tax money?

    This blind allegiance to “choice” is doing nothing but funneling tax money into shysters hands because the majority of proponents don’t bother to scratch past the surface. Choice advocates are being duped as illustrated by the example in the above link and this is one of the most famous charter schools of all. So famous a movie was made depicting it as the answer to our education woes.

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  33. Section8

    This blind allegiance to “choice” is doing nothing but funneling tax money into shysters hands because the majority of proponents don’t bother to scratch past the surface.

    Not one person I can think of says that shysters should not be held accountable. At the end of the day your 450K examples, and even a 1 bil example that simply stated it didn’t make things any better (which why would that be a failure if everything is all fine and dandy to begin with), doesn’t compare to the 10s of billions a year put in to a continuously broken system that became broken ever since the left and the leftist administrators and unions convinced the public that teachers are untouchable, and any request for accountability = you hate teachers. At that point anything became excused and it needs to stop. That’s the primary variable in this equation any way you want to spin it. Even you state the best American education is overseas. Well talk about catering to the rich. You think some poor person in Detroit can go there? And I should have clarified earlier that I agree with you that federal involvement is not the solution, rather than just stating I think federal involvement is not the solution as I saw your comment a while back and at lest agree there. If states or local fail to do their job, some crackdown needs to be done. I think that would be to give parents more control locally, and of course choice. I know only aborting babies equals choice to you leftists, but the world is made of choices. You all should not be so narrow in your views. The system was falling apart before Bush came along. He did not break it period. If you want to argue he didn’t help it much, fine, but it was ALREADY falling apart, and I can guarantee you it wasn’t creationists, conservatives, or any other group that believes in more individual accountability. It was the it takes a village people.

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  34. salinger

    Section 8 – take 35 minutes and watch the first half of this edition of Meet the Press. .

    If you want to know where I believe the “reform movement” should be headed. I support the ideas that Diane Ravitch expounds upon. Here she talks with Canada about the state of education today. I think she comes off much more credible than he. Tell me what you think of her ideas because she articulates the view of the majority of educators I have worked with the past decade. Notice – never does she say that there should be no accountability – the idea that anyone thinks there should be no accountability is a myth.

    People need to be more informed and move away from these easy talking point solutions.

    I ask again: When do you – or anyone else here – think American education was getting it right?
    I can compare and contrast the pedagogical philosophies between then and now.

    Then please explain how my view is narrow.

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  35. Mook

    There can be no school reform without consumer choice. Period. At present, taxpayers must pay for public schools, and those schools have zero incentive to properly educate the children. It’s a forced monopoly using taxpayer $$$. Failed schools that don’t teach shit to their students continue to be funded, often lavishly, and bad teachers are defended by teacher’s unions and continue hurting the education of the children they are supposed to teach. Also, there has been an explosion of relatively high paid (to what they’d be worth in private industry) non-teacher jobs added to the educational pork barrel over the past 20 or so years.

    As for the $400k example, sure, that sounds bad, and probably is. But is there a major school superintendent in any major school district that with a dismal track record, in which the school superintendent is making less? The scope of the waste in public education far exceeds anything you can come up with in private schools. Here in “low cost” Houston, TX, you’d be hard pressed to find even a single principal making under $100k/year, and that’s not counting their lavish pension benefits which enables them to retire at the young age of 52 and draw 66% of their highest earning years’ salary + full health benefits + unused sick days, none of which private sector employees would ever get. In many cases now, higher paid teachers and principals are getting six figure retirement offers if they stop working. During the WI school riots and protests, it came out that the AVERAGE Milwaukee school teacher (average age 35?) is paid over $100k/year including benefits, more than structural engineers, architects, and other professionals.. and many teacher haven’t even mastered their multiplication tables.

    As for why American schools are relatively much better overseas – as Sec8 pointed out, it’s partly because elite public servants in Foreign service demand better for THEIR kids, even as they vote for Dems who run school districts into the ground in their home districts.

    But there’s another reason – the American schools overseas are NOT GOVT RUN.. they are often private, and therefore must be accountable.

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  36. Mook

    I ask again: When do you – or anyone else here – think American education was getting it right?

    They were getting it much better 40 yrs ago when per pupil costs were a tiny fraction of what is spent today.

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  37. salinger

    They were getting it much better 40 yrs ago when per pupil costs were a tiny fraction of what is spent today.

    40 years ago there were no high stakes standardized tests – there was no NCLB – there was no CCSS – there were no vendor supplied packaged state mandated curriculum boxed programs. You might have taken the Iowa test of basic skills at the beginning of the year to see where you were starting and then your teacher worked from a curriculum developed locally. The teacher’s pay was not linked to their students’ performance on a single test.

    Classes included Art, Physical Education, Music as well as electives in the middle and high schools that included creative writing, photography, philosophy, advanced calculus etc.

    Now our kids spend the majority of their time preparing for a single test which they take over and over to the exclusion of any inquiry based learning and other critical thinking exercises.

    Why – because test scores are easy to measure and graph and look like progress to non educators.

    I think it would be a great idea to roll things back forty years – trash these tests and the insane idea of linking teacher’s assessment to their students performance on them and reinstate critical thinking in our curriculum. Unfortunately – that is not what the “accountability” proponents are fighting for.

    Instead they demand these tests and the prep programs (which are exponentially more the reason for rising student costs than teacher salaries) that go with them.

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  38. Mook

    Now our kids spend the majority of their time preparing for a single test which they take over and over to the exclusion of any inquiry based learning and other critical thinking exercises.

    Why – because test scores are easy to measure and graph and look like progress to non educators.

    I think it would be a great idea to roll things back forty years – trash these tests and the insane idea of linking teacher’s assessment to their students performance on them and reinstate critical thinking in our curriculum. Unfortunately – that is not what the “accountability” proponents are fighting for.

    Instead they demand these tests and the prep programs (which are exponentially more the reason for rising student costs than teacher salaries) that go with them.

    Even though we come at it from different perspectives, I can’t disagree with what you wrote. I see it with my own kid and all the prep time teaching for the Staar test and other bullshit test metrics. But that doesn’t change the fact that public schools are filled with overpaid unqualified teachers, administrators and non-teaching personnel. Sure, there are good teachers and administrators, but their numbers/percentages have dwindled over the past 40 yrs

    I agree that the emphasis on teaching for the test wastes times and is counterproductive, and I’d say that conservatives are more likely than liberals to push for those kinds of accountability tests. But the underlying problem is that teaching/educational quality in public schools has declined while per pupil costs skyrocketed, and the tests were introduced as an accountability mechanism to try and get a handle on it. They were/are a bad idea imo, but make no mistake, the decline in public educational quality and their skyrocketing costs is what triggered the calls for more tests and accountability.

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  39. Mook

    Oh yeah – forty years ago there was arguably less choice in schools.

    Public schools back then had not disintegrated into educational cesspools as so many have done today. In Houston HISD, out of all the high schools in this very large school district, there’s only one, possibly 2 in the entire district worth a shit. It’s that bad. I’m sure it’s worse in other public school districts

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  40. salinger

    Sure, there are good teachers and administrators, but their numbers/percentages have dwindled over the past 40 yrs

    I wonder how this correlates with the loss of classroom autonomy? Some of the best teachers I have met are working overseas – when asked why they invariably say to get away from NCLB and now CCSS. Seems to me the cure is killing the patient.

    but make no mistake, the decline in public educational quality and their skyrocketing costs is what triggered the calls for more tests and accountability.

    I disagree – it was the fear of Asian countries performing better on standardized tests that foisted this upon our educational system. That and folks seizing upon this fear and seeing an opportunity to profit from it.

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  41. hist_ed

    I wanna weigh in but I gotta work soon. Can’t see writing a few bits, there’s a major bloggy dissertation in this thread. Grrrrr. Ok sleepy time. Try tomorrow. If I get the rest of those fucking essays graded.

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