Others are also wondering about this…

Not sure how many people here have seen the price jump on standardized ammunition calibers and the accompanying shortages that make restocking 9mm and 10mm rounds a monumental exercise. Manufacturers in the US have been going balls to the walls to keep up with demand, as citizens, correctly feeling the heavy hand of those members of Leviathan that want to shit all over the 2nd amendment and disarm the sheeple, stock up on the ammunition. It’s that philosophy that heavy metals are needed to deal with the catastrophic consequences of the idiotic decisions our government is making. I am talking about buying gold, silver, and the ultimate heavy metal, lead, as a precautionary strategy to our reckless fiscal and social policies, which can’t be sustained on unicorn farts and liberal wishful thinking and are setting us on course for a societal implosion.

Many have pointed out that while the military has been gobbling up a lot of ammo, the real outlier is the ridiculous purchases by the DHS. Oh, big sis tells us they aren’t buying that many rounds or that they need those rounds for training. They even claim they are doing this because they want to save tax payers money, and these bulk purchases supposedly do just that. Of course, since it is these bulk purchases driving the scarcity and the price hikes, one can be forgiven for thinking that line is all bullshit. There is something else at work here. Queue the belief that there is an ulterior motive for the DHS purchases, and as the article points out, we got more of the same from the DHS:

Officials at the Department of Homeland Security denied Thursday that its large-scale ammunition purchases were an effort keep bullets out of the hands of private citizens.

At a hearing on Capitol Hill Thursday, top DHS training officer Humberto Medina said he could “say categorically that was not a factor at all” in the purchases. He also noted that ammunition DHS purchased would be used for both operations and training purchases.

The Associated Press reported in February that DHS was planning to buy more than 1.6 billion rounds over the next five years, a number that sparked fears of government stockpiling – which DHS previously denied to Whispers. Officials told lawmakers DHS actually was planning to buy only up to 750 million rounds.

But, the information that should immediately stand out to anyone with two firing neurons as odd and contradictory is the following:

But Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said it still looked like the government was unnecessarily amassing ammunition.

“The idea that you have to have excess rounds, year after year, flies in the face of common sense,” Issa said. Medina argued that DHS keeps a reserve of ammunition because of market fluctuations and because of past problems with vendors.

In fiscal year 2012, DHS purchased more than 103 million rounds of ammunition, to be used by about 70,000 DHS officers who are currently authorized to use weapons. Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said Thursday that “the math” didn’t make sense, pointing out that this means an average 1300-1600 rounds per DHS officer – some 1000 rounds more than the average for an officer in the Army.

That’s a lot of extra ammo. Granted that’s what an officer shoots in the Army, not the grunts, but I will bet that even the grunts don’t get to fire off even half that many rounds a year, period. WTF makes the DHS agents so much more special? Especially in a time of war.

Leviathan’s agents can deny all they want that this is not a big deal, but I am not buying it. The proof that this government has hated the SCOTUS’ Heller decision is ample. From the
DOJ’s cover up of a scandalous and bogus operation that is tantamount to an act of war against the sovereign Mexican state to the despicable attempted gun grabbing legislation that used the emotions caused by the tragic Newtown massacre to bamboozle citizens into letting Leviathan piss on our constitution, legislation I add that would have done absolutely nothing of an effective to prevent another Newtown-like tragedy but in the mind of reality challenged idiots, it has been obvious that the focus of these people is on disarming the law abiding citizenry. And the ammunition purchases by the DHS is just a lot more of that. It isn’t

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  1. Hal_10000

    Ah, the ridiculous conspiracy theory surfaces again. The government, which faced a shortage of ammo just two years ago, is buying up a small fraction of US production (total US production is several billions rounds a year), swelling the profits of ammunition makers and causing more factories to be built.

    If it’s a plot, it’s the most back-assward plot in history.

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  2. Thrill

    I’ve been more under the impression that it’s about the waste and mismanagement that has come to characterize DHS rather than something nefarious. Kind of like how TSA agents were reported to have a higher uniform allowance than Marines.

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  3. Hal_10000

    I’ve been more under the impression that it’s about the waste and mismanagement that has come to characterize DHS rather than something nefarious. Kind of like how TSA agents were reported to have a higher uniform allowance than Marines.

    This ^^^. DHS is basically unaccountable right now. There are huge swathes of buildings they’ve bought up in the DC area, huge numbers of employees. Basically, they get whatever they want in resources. Always bad news for any government agency.

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  4. Jimmigration

    You know instead of buying gold for the end of time people should invest in growing their own food (plants and animals) and getting the things necessary to reload their own ammo.

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  5. Seattle Outcast

    If there is one perfect example of a smirking used-car salesman of a government official convinced that the public is a pack of morons which are easily lied to, Janet Napolitano is it.

    When you see the bulk of Obama’s staff you don’t get the immediate impression that they aren’t anything other than a pack of delusional Marxist elitists. “Big Sis” is a different type of monster entirely – dreams of a police state are evident every time she opens her mouth to talk about what DHS should be doing. Your rights are, to her, merely a figment of your imagination.

    Based on what she has said over the years it is evident that she wants the following:

    > Omnipresent surveillance
    > Biometric databases on all citizens
    > Mandatory federal ID to be carried at all times
    > Gun registration/confiscation
    > DHS presence on all highways, train & bus stations, and car rentals
    > Documented permission to travel
    > Warrantless searches on demand

    “Papers please”…..

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  6. Mississippi Yankee

    Ah, the ridiculous conspiracy theory surfaces again.

    sez the man who isn’t quite clear which is the business end of a gun.

    …people should invest in growing their own food (plants and animals) and getting the things necessary to reload their own ammo.

    Both primers and all gun powder is ALSO in short supply. Reloaders are vivid! And after Boston bombing the State of New Jersey is severely restricting the sale of gunpowder. Can “your” states be far behind?

    To the quasi-progs Hal and Thrill or any other “It can’t happen here” folks. AMMO MANUFACTURE IS NOT KEEPING UP TO AMMO DEMAND. PERIOD.

    A perfect example of supply and demand:
    prior to Newtown CT shooting 5.56X45 or .223 went for about 35¢ a round. By the first of the year it was $1, by the first of February you couldn’t even find any. Now at the end of April IF I buy in bulk (like Napalitano) it’s maybe 70¢. And I’m told another shortage is beginning now because this this tiny infussion was just what the manufacturers had in reserve.
    The standard federal issue handgun takes the S&W .40 caliber. After Janet baby ordered 1.4 billion of this round good luck finding this once very inexpensive pistol round in any quantity.

    Just keep repeating the mantra kiddies “It can’t happen here”

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  7. Thrill

    What can’t happen here? We can’t make Winchester into trilionaires? How is the federal gov’t making ammo manufacturers rich beyond their wildest dreams supposed to scare me?

    And the .40 is completely overrated.

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  8. Seattle Outcast

    And the .40 is completely overrated.

    It was the solution to complete pussies not being able to handle a real 10mm auto…

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  9. bgeek

    It was the solution to complete pussies not being able to handle a real 10mm auto…

    Hey, only my wrist is a pussy…the rest of me is all Man.

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  10. Mississippi Yankee

    What can’t happen here?

    “It can’t happen here” isn’t a thing it’s a state of mind, or in some of y’alls case a state of denial.

    And the .40 is completely overrated.

    Yeah, another city dwelling gun critic.
    The S&W 40 platform is a more punch for your buck than the 9mm that LEO carried for thirty years. The fact that DHS ordered all hollow-points gives it all that much more stopping power. It’s not my first choice but then again I don’t like a .45 either.

    The 10mm is damn near identical to the S&W 40 in size and stopping power. It’s biggest problem, huge actually, is no one has been able to create a 10mm that feeds properly, or for that matter, fire nor ejects properly either. And S&W isn’t going to clue them in.

    It was the solution to complete pussies not being able to handle a real 10mm auto…

    Really…you should stick to swords.

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  11. Thrill

    Bullshit. Handguns are comparatively weak firearms to begin with. The .40 is neither a better “large” caliber handgun like the .45 or a more “high velocity” round like the 9mm. Cops have been increasingly figuring out the shortcomings of handguns…and starting to equip themselves with carbines.

    Quibbling about minor differences in handgun caliber is laughable. There really isn’t a significant difference between them.

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  12. Mississippi Yankee

    Cops have been increasingly figuring out the shortcomings of handguns…and starting to equip themselves with carbines.

    Oh really, ’cause everyone I see has a .40. And do YOU want YOUR local police to be walking around with carbines? Well in your case yeah maybe. KC has been a complete shit hole since …forever, but still shall we buy some nice brown shirts to go with the Thrill santioned carbines?

    Quibbling about minor differences in handgun caliber is laughable. There really isn’t a significant difference between them.

    Hence the “stick to swords” retort.
    Individual gun control (the real kind) should be the deciding factor in caliber choice. Of course availability of ammo has now become an important factor too.
    Which is kinda the whole point of Alex’s post.

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  13. Thrill

    Oooooh. Everyone is carrying a .40 now. Well, I have bad news: Gun owners are as susceptible to fads as women are with shoes and purses. There is nothing especially awesome about the .40.

    As for police with carbines, no. I wish cops weren’t armed at all. I’m just saying that if you’re in the business of doling out lethal force, handguns aren’t a great choice. They’re underpowered and inaccurate.

    Hence the “stick to swords” retort.

    That’s not me. Honestly, I’m more of a shotgun guy than anything else.

    And I don’t agree with Alex’s point. I call it ineptitude, not evil.

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  14. Mississippi Yankee

    Oooooh. Everyone is carrying a .40 now. Well, I have bad news

    Cops have been increasingly figuring out the shortcomings of handguns…and starting to equip themselves with carbines.

    My comment was concerning police carrying .40 and in response to this fantasy of yours with the “carry carbine”. Law enforcement from my little berg to the FBI have adopted this .40 weapon.

    But I think you knew that but decided to act like a little bitch anyway. Bravo.

    And I don’t agree with Alex’s point. I call it ineptitude, not evil.

    And there’s that “It can’t happen here” droned mantra.

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  15. InsipiD

    The government, which faced a shortage of ammo just two years ago, is buying up a small fraction of US production (total US production is several billions rounds a year),

    The oil situation should have shown you that a relatively small increase in demand when it’s right at the top has a disproportionate effect on the price. If you think that government purchases aren’t harming your availability and price, you’re mistaken.

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  16. Thrill

    But I think you knew that but decided to act like a little bitch anyway. Bravo.

    Call it a futile attempt to pull you out of your strange InfoWars universe and discuss something more fun and connected with reality. I regret the failure.

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  17. Ed Kline

    And there’s that “It can’t happen here” droned mantra.

    No, No-one here is saying ‘it can’t happen here’, but rather that they don’t think it is actually happening at the present time. It’s not a subtle distinction.

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  18. Mississippi Yankee

    No, No-one here is saying ‘it can’t happen here’, but rather that they don’t think it is actually happening at the present time.

    For the past few years folks like Hal have incrementally pointed out flaws of the constitutional type and occasional skullduggery by this Regime. BUT heaven forbid if a right-wing fella like Alex connects two or three of those points, which Hal may have previously made BTW. And all we hear from the chattering class Ah, the ridiculous conspiracy theory surfaces again How DO y’all breathe in that methane rich environment?

    Every assault this administration makes on your liberty is cumulative. The simple fact they have become pretty good at distracting the “low information voters” with anything shiny but I’ve always believed that you’se guys were a little better informed. I saddens me to realize I was mistaken.

    And now I read that Thrill believe (or says he believes) that the Presbo, all the czars, DHS and I suppose the State and Justice Departments are just inept. and don’t want to “fundamentally change America” exactly as Barack Milhous Mugambe promised to do 5 years ago?

    Yet I live in an InfoWars universe, with food water friends and ammo, Thrill on the other hand is surrounded by ‘deepest darkest Kansas City.
    Chance favors the prepared

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  19. Thrill

    MY, I have no problem with “prepping”. Even FEMA encourages people to prepare for the possibility that they may have to be self-sufficient for a few days in the wake of a disaster (when they’re not busy planning those concentration camps to put you into, that is).

    Of course, one thing that is also driving the ammo shortage is the hoarding by private citizens over the past four years. Regular people have been doing as much as anyone to drive up the price of ammunition by over-buying, purchasing far more than they could ever plan to fire off. I see that too as poor planning and fairly ridiculous.

    As for this government, I agree with you that the Obama Administration has some wacky ideas. The problems you and I run into now and then stem from the fact that you simply reflexively oppose every single thing that the Obama Administration does without thought. You don’t even care if you’re caught up in a contradictory conspiracy conundrum.

    For example, you criticize the Obama Administration for wanting to violate citizens’ rights in the name of counter-terrorism. Great. But then you condemn the Obama Administration when it decides to respect a citizen’s rights who commits a terrorist act by reading his Miranda rights. I’m sure on some level you realize that the logic doesn’t follow, but you can’t seem to get past “Obama…bad man!”

    In the last few years of the Bush Administration, I saw this going on a lot…A LOT… on RTFLC with regard to Bush. Hell, you were here. I didn’t like the paranoia then about him and I don’t like it now about Obama. We ought to be able to have legitimate disagreements on matters of policy and ideology without indulging in outrageous conspiratorial fantasies that worsen the partisan divide.

    That really is the worst legacy of your generation. From JFK to Newtown, you come up with some of the craziest shit as a justification for hating the other side. Where has it gotten us?

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  20. Seattle Outcast

    Really…you should stick to swords.

    Uhhhmmm, yeah, the guy who gets scored on his marksmanship by trying to find any bullet holes outside the 10-ring, which is a big hole at that point, needs to “stick to swords”…..?

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  21. Mississippi Yankee

    Of course, I understand now. You’re my ex-wife (1 or2?) and it’s all my fault. How could I have been so stoopid and blind?

    For example, you criticize the Obama Administration for wanting to violate citizens’ rights in the name of counter-terrorism. Great. But then you condemn the Obama Administration when it decides to respect a citizen’s rights who commits a terrorist act by reading his Miranda rights.

    You must have me mixed up with one of your other lovers dear. I WANT the Regime to revoke his citizenship, and deport him back to Russia (not Chechnya). It will save the CIA the price of a bullet. And as for Miranda… I’ve hated that rodonkulas rule (heavy on the donk) since it’s inception. BUT it is the law and the last thing I want is to have is this “shit-bag” get off on a technicality because we didn’t give him Miranda upon arrest.

    That really is the worst legacy of your generation. From JFK to Newtown, you come up with some of the craziest shit as a justification for hating the other side. Where has it gotten us?

    Sadly it gave us a generation of whiny excuse makers. Maybe they’ll come for you last Thrill.

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  22. stogy

    And in more breaking high-impact utterly irrefutable and “more proof that the government hates us” news, the Boston Marathon bombing shows that the government is treasonous because high ranking positions have been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Most people, Joyner said, “think it is treason now … there is a huge amount of evidence that this is being done to us intentionally”

    And… when you put this together… with FEMAs purchase of all the ammo, we’re in a lot of trouble. A lot of trouble indeed. It’s obvious that ammo companies are in cahoots with the government to screw us all over.

    More thumbs ups for everyone!

    My pills, my pills, where are my pills?

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  23. Hal_10000

    As for this government, I agree with you that the Obama Administration has some wacky ideas. The problems you and I run into now and then stem from the fact that you simply reflexively oppose every single thing that the Obama Administration does without thought. You don’t even care if you’re caught up in a contradictory conspiracy conundrum.

    For example, you criticize the Obama Administration for wanting to violate citizens’ rights in the name of counter-terrorism. Great. But then you condemn the Obama Administration when it decides to respect a citizen’s rights who commits a terrorist act by reading his Miranda rights. I’m sure on some level you realize that the logic doesn’t follow, but you can’t seem to get past “Obama…bad man!”

    Well said, Thrill!

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