Law abiding citizens are going to be punished, and it will not prevent another massacre

The idiot fucking leftards that run the state of CT have yet again managed to fuck over those of us that are law abiding, while doing nothing of any significance. And of course, they did it in secret, because they knew that if people found out how these fuckers where again shitting all over the 2nd amendment, they would not have been able to pull it off. From the article:

HARTFORD — After nearly a month of closed-door meetings, legislative leaders have reached bipartisan agreement on new gun control proposals that they intend to present to rank and file members Monday afternoon.

“The leaders have had productive conversations through the end of the week,” said Adam Joseph, spokesman for Senate Democrats. “The leaders are going to give all four caucuses an update of where negotiations stand … our hope is to have a final vote in the immediate future.”

We kept it from you, for your own good – and kind of like we had to do to Obamacare, where we told you it had to pass for you to find out what was in it – because you serfs need to let Leviathan run things. Fuck, I hate the evil progressives and their authoritarian shit. Look, the only reason for the secrecy is that they wanted to prevent people from finding out what they were up to or debating the issues – the real ones, not the usual platitudes from the anti-gun left – until it was too late. And remember that bipartisan literally means you do what democrats want. Besides, a conservative in CT is just someone that would have been a democrat anywhere else 30 years ago. Real conservatives or libertarians are such a minority that we statistically don’t count. Anyway, some details:

Details of the bill were closely guarded.

Legislators have been pushing for expanded background checks, a broader ban on assault weapons and a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines.

A ban on magazines containing more than 10 rounds has been a thorn in the negotiations.

“The magazines have been a sticking point,” Sen. Beth Bye said. The West Hartford Democrat, who stressed that she has not seen the proposed legislation, favors tougher gun laws.

“I feel strongly that if we grandfather the magazines with no end date it is as good as not banning them,” Bye said.

Lawmakers have been called into session on Wednesday, said Pat O’Neil, spokesman for the House Republican caucus. “There is a session scheduled for Wednesday and the idea is that this would be coming up,” he said.

Andrew Doba, a spokesman for Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, a proponent of stricter gun laws, declined to comment on the specifics of the proposal. “We will review the language once we receive a final version from the legislature,” he said.

Gun policy has been at the top of the legislature’s agenda since the Dec. 14 shootings in Newtown. Police said Adam Lanza was carrying three weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition when he shot his way into Sandy Hook Elementary shortly after 9:30 a.m. He killed 20 first-graders and six women before killing himself.

Lawmakers have held several hearings on gun proposals, drawing thousands of gun owners and employees of the state’s gun industry to the Capitol. Gun control opponents are pressing for a public hearing before the bill that was hammered out by legislative leaders reaches the floor.

Several other states, notably New York and Colorado, have already passed new gun legislation in the aftermath of Sandy Hook.

Connecticut lawmakers have taken steps to craft a bipartisan bill. They created a task force to examine gun policy, school security and mental health policy in response to the Sandy Hook massacre.

But, said Bye, Monday “is the most significant day yet, when the caucuses decide whether this is going to go on Wednesday. Tomorrow is a turning point.”

I read this freedom robbing list, twice, and concluded that not a single one of these items will stop the gang shootings or the massacres like the one at Newtown. Looks like we will need to have another SCOTUS smack down of these fucking liberty stealing communists. And, that gun law they passed in NY, for example? Even the Post Standard, a left wing rag, had to admit, albeit while trying to defend the unconstitutional and horribly flawed bill, that it was a pile of shit. In fact, the law was so poorly written, that’s what you get when you hurry to pass a law so you can capitalize on emotion – again, kind of like Obamacare, which we are now discovering won’t lower costs, will limit access, and will result in rationing, and guarantees the healthcare system in the US is going to take some major steps backwards – that it fucked over the state police’s ability to respond to shootings like Newtown. Lucky for law abiding citizens, it looks like it will not survive the courts. And this pile of shit they want to pass in CT, will end up with the same faith.

Leviathan wants to control people. They need citizens disarmed. That’s what these laws do. Not a single item here would prevent Newtown or other mad people from doing the same. I am not even going to bother explaining how criminals, and especially the gangs, will see this whole law as a boon to them. Unarmed citizens are easier to take advantage off, especially with the police always minutes away when seconds count, and these laws will do nothing to deter them from getting their guns. What is clear is that the left might pretend they care about gun violence, but the goal is to undermine, if not outright destroy, the 2nd amendment, and you do that only because you see advantage in a populous that can not defend itself. This is not being done to help us: it is being done so they can tighten the collar around our necks even harder without worrying that there will be consequences.

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  1. pfluffy

    Seriously, Alex, it sounds like you need to move to a more survivalist friendly location like Georgia before you have a stroke or heart attack. Hell, a couple towns over from me in Kennesaw, GA, you are required by law to own a gun. Never gets challenged in court, either. Just unpack your things, guns and all. As a bonus, we will probably be one of the last states holding out on gay marriage. After all, we just got Sunday beer. Still gotta put it in a bag on the way to your car though, for the children.

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  2. AlexInCT *

    Seriously, Alex, it sounds like you need to move to a more survivalist friendly location like Georgia before you have a stroke or heart attack.

    I am not the type that gives up. Even on stupid people. Besides, the ability to tell these idiots “I told you so” is just priceless.

    Hell, a couple towns over from me in Kennesaw, GA, you are required by law to own a gun.

    Best way to make people respect fire arms is to make them learn about them from an early age.

    As a bonus, we will probably be one of the last states holding out on gay marriage.

    As long as the citizens are the ones that vote and decide on this issue, for each state, I could give a rats ass about it. Marriage as an institution is dead already and the damage is done. In 2 or 3 generations the state will own all children. For their own good.

    After all, we just got Sunday beer. Still gotta put it in a bag on the way to your car though, for the children.

    Heh. Would it surprise you to know that while I can drink copious amounts of alcohol, enough to frighten most other human beings about the damage my liver should be taking during sucha a drinking bout, I rarely drink?

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  3. pfluffy

    Best way to make people respect fire arms is to make them learn about them from an early age.

    They were around when I was a kid. We had farms, though. They were mostly rifles and shotguns.

    As long as the citizens are the ones that vote and decide on this issue, for each state, I could give a rats ass about it.

    Pretty much.

    Heh. Would it surprise you to know that while I can drink copious amounts of alcohol, enough to frighten most other human beings about the damage my liver should be taking during sucha a drinking bout, I rarely drink?

    I go in spurts. I love beer, but beer bellies are NOT flattering on girls. I also have very low tolerance.

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  4. pfluffy

    “Pot bellies make a man look either oafish, or like a gorilla. But on a woman, a pot belly is very sexy.”

    Pulp Fiction?

    Are you saying they are on guys??!?!

    Did I say that?

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  5. HARLEY

    Seriously, Alex, it sounds like you need to move to a more survivalist friendly location like Georgia before you have a stroke or heart attack.

    Why? they are the ones that suck…..

    Hell, a couple towns over from me in Kennesaw, GA, you are required by law to own a gun.

    as much of as gun nut i am, i believe this law is seriously wrong. You can not force someone to buy a product or service.. ala Obamacares requirement on INS.

    They were around when I was a kid. We had farms, though. They were mostly rifles and shotguns.

    You mean Sniper rifles and Scatter guns….

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  6. HARLEY

    in other news…..

    the politicos claim that ” an array of police initiatives ” have curbed the murders… i respectively disagree,and conclude that Chicago residents have evolved, They have learned to dodge…..

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  7. pfluffy

    They have learned to dodge…..

    If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball ;^) …

    You mean Sniper rifles and Scatter guns….

    Heh. Yea, I sometimes cringe at what people call assault weapons. A mere scintilla of research (my Facebook feed, even) is all it would take to realize that most of them are just rifles.

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  8. Mississippi Yankee

    as much of as gun nut i am, i believe this law is seriously wrong. You can not force someone to buy a product or service.. ala Obamacares requirement on INS.

    HARLEY, you might not want to move to Switzerland then. Be at least the Swiss supply the rifle.

    Switzerland keeps only a small standing army, and relies much more heavily on its militia system for national defense. This means that most able-bodied civilian men of military age keep weapons at home in case of a national emergency. These weapons are fully automatic, military assault rifles, and by law they must be kept locked up. Their issue of 72 rounds of ammunition must be sealed, and it is strictly accounted for. This complicates their use for criminal purposes, in that they are difficult to conceal, and their use will be eventually discovered by the authorities.

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  9. AlexInCT *

    I go in spurts. I love beer, but beer bellies are NOT flattering on girls.

    Yeah, if I have to drink I prefer not to drink beer. Just doesn’t do much for me and it is all empty calories. Besides, now that I am running a 5K practically every day and working out at the same ratio to boot – I am back to doing 50 push ups in under a minute, 400 a day, and I do crunches on a machine with 180 lbs/150lbs front/sides amongst the many things – beer is gonna ruin my good looks. I don’t think I will get the clean 6 pack I had in my 20s, but for a guy 1 year from hitting 50 I sure am loving life.

    Pulp Fiction?

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.”

    as much of as gun nut i am, i believe this law is seriously wrong. You can not force someone to buy a product or service..

    With you on that Harley. I don’t want to be told I need to buy either a gun or health insurance, thank you, although if forced to pick one or the other, I would prefer they tell me to buy a gun.

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  10. Xetrov

    A bit about the Swiss –

    The Swiss militia consists of all men from 20-30 years of age. Yes they are issued a Sig SG 550 (officers actually receive a Sig-Sauer P220 9mm pistol), and yes it is select fire, but it is illegal for them to keep it once they are out of the militia unless it is converted to semi-auto only, and it’s illegal for them to use it in any capacity outside of the militia – must be locked up at home otherwise.

    You also need a permit (a Waffenerwerbsschein) to purchase firearms, and it is limited to three. Also since 1999 all private sales must be registered.

    You need a license to carry a gun, and in order to carry concealed, you need a special license that is only granted to people in certain job categories that would require access to a weapon (security personnel and such).

    The bit you posted about ammunition is out of date MY – they ceased the practice in 2001.

    Not the gun-toting paradise some people envision.

    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/switzerland

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  11. Mississippi Yankee

    Xetrov,

    I’m not surprised my source was out of date. It’s from one of CM’s favorites (Wikipedia) And much like CM I got a down-vote for it.

    I didn’t mean to say Switzerland was a gun owners paradise only that gun ownership was, for the most part, mandatory and without charge as the rifles and officers pistols are government issue.

    HARLEY took umbrage with two small towns in Georgia (both of which have an opt-out clause). I was just pointing out that an entire country has had this law since WW II.
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  12. CM

    I’m not surprised my source was out of date. It’s from one of CM’s favorites (Wikipedia) And much like CM I got a down-vote for it.

    Wikipedia is really a portal, or a starting point, for sourced material. Nobodu should ever claim anything as ‘fact’ based on an unverified comment in a Wikipedia entry. But hey, don’t let boring shit like that (or the fact that you plagerised by not providing a link, or the fact that it doesn’t match the Wikipedia entry but does match entries such as one: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-switzerland.htm) stop ya. I’m well aware the rules are different (that should buy me numerous down-votes, despite the fact that it’s so obviously true). Carry (/conceal) on.

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  13. AlexInCT *

    I understand that technology can be difficult for older people ;-)

    Wikipedia is not technology CM, unless having a blog where more often than not content, especially when it relates to ideology and politicial shit, is wrong. It is a garbage website overrun with libtard editors that care more about protecting their agenda and movement’s pretend reputation, than facts. Even when they do present facts, they try to do so in a way that favors the narrative.

    I have no difficulty with technology BTW. Some of it I find to just be insane. Social media for example is a sure fire way to not just get yourself in trouble, but to let anyone and everyone snoop on you. Dumb people think this stuff makes you hip. Me, I have seen too many young people get told they were not getting the job, or worse, to think it is worth it. Besides, who wants to hear from their psycho old girlfriends from yonder years, but people with issues?

    BTW, I hear people from NZ better get ready for the zombie hobbit invasion. Stop worrying about technology and go prepare yourself for that apocalypse!

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  14. Thrill

    Wikipedia is really a portal, or a starting point, for sourced material. Nobodu should ever claim anything as ‘fact’ based on an unverified comment in a Wikipedia entry.

    Thank you.

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  15. Xetrov

    Speaking of unreliable sources.

    As President Obama prepares to head to Colorado on Wednesday to push gun control legislation, some are calling into question the validity of a key statistic he’s using to tout his message on near-universal background checks.

    During several speeches, Obama has said 40 percent of all gun purchases were made without a background check.

    The oft-cited figure, it turns out, was pulled from a 1997 study done by the National Institute of Justice. In the study, researchers estimated about 40 percent of all firearm sales took place through people other than licensed gun dealers. The conclusion was based on data from a 1994 survey of 2,568 households. Of those, only 251 people answered the question about where they got their guns.

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  16. pfluffy

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

    That was one bad-ass quote.

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  17. CM

    Wikipedia is not technology CM, unless having a blog where more often than not content, especially when it relates to ideology and politicial shit, is wrong.

    You’re writing for Wikipedia now Alex? ;-)

    I have no difficulty with technology BTW.

    I understand you can also drink an amazing amount of alcohol and that your Dad could beat up my Dad too.

    BTW, I hear people from NZ better get ready for the zombie hobbit invasion. Stop worrying about technology and go prepare yourself for that apocalypse!

    I’ve not heard about this upcoming zombie hobbit invasion. Obviously it’s just another fact the LSM are hiding from us. Or did you read it/write it on Wikipedia?

    Speaking of unreliable sources.

    We’ve been following this give-and-take with some interest because our research is the original source of that 40 percent statistic. Our views on the subject may come as a surprise. First, we don’t know the current percentage — nor does anyone else. Second, if the president’s opponents are right and the true figure turns out to be less than 40 percent, that would actually strengthen the case for a universal-background-check requirement.

    If opponents of a universal-background-check law are right that 40 percent is too high, and that a smaller number of gun transactions occur in the secondary market each year, then the costs of implementing the universal background check are lower. Ironically they have helped make a stronger case for the new law. It would be cheaper if it only affected, say, 20 percent of the transactions, than if it affected 40 percent of them.

    So does a universal background check pass the cost-benefit test? We think the answer is likely to be yes. Given the enormous costs that gun violence imposes on society, we estimate that a universal-background-check policy would generate benefits in excess of the implementation costs — easily — if the new policy reduced gun homicides by as little as 1 percent. Considered this way, a universal-background-check requirement seems like a promising policy, regardless of whether the true share of gun transactions that occur in the secondary market is 40 percent or 20 percent.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/341838/40-percent-myth-letters

    (I don’t have a position on this, just throwing it out there)

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  18. Xetrov

    Pardon my French, but who gives a shit about a cost-benefit analysis? The cost of the program is the furthest thing from my mind as a valid argument for/against when it comes to Government infringing on or further regulating/restricting my second amendment rights.

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  19. CM

    Pardon my French, but who gives a shit about a cost-benefit analysis?

    Presumably people involved in public policy, and those informing public policy people.

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  20. AlexInCT *

    You’re writing for Wikipedia now Alex? ;-)

    No, but I wouldn’t be surprised you are or get your facts from there CM. Man it sure does irk you that I am not a leftist drone and that I refuse to fall for the narrative, huh? I mean you keep pretending the problem is my writing when what it really is is simply what you believe in.

    I understand you can also drink an amazing amount of alcohol and that your Dad could beat up my Dad too.

    You forgot to mention that I have pissed more blood, banged more quiff, and busted more ass than all you numbnuts put together.

    BTW, my dad was an all around nice guy and always tried to resolve things pleasantly. Me on the other hand, I made it a habbit of fighting with bullies from a young age, because I knew it was a waste of time to be nice to assholes.

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