Yeah, I am just a paranoid freak.

It heard this past weekend that it looks like in addition to the billions of bullets DHS was picking up that they have started taking delivery of the 2500 MRAP vehicles they ordered last year. For those that do not know, MRAP stands for Mine Resistant Armor Protected, and defines a special class of vehicle specifically designed to operate in a heavily contests urban/suburban environment where the enemy is going to use IEDs and RPGs to deny the troops in the vehicle the ability to do whatever it is they do. I wonder WTF the DHS knows that we don’t and why it expects to need these vehicles at all. Really, ask yourself what legitimate reason you can think that DHS would they need these sorts of vehicles? Unless they are going to allow the DHS to operate on foreign soil as a military force, these vehicles are for domestic use. Maybe Big Sis takes her assessment that the biggest threat to the country is those right wingers that do not want to go along with Team Blues’ vision of a wealth redistributed collectivist paradise seriously? Don’t worry. Obama told us he was no dictator either.

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  1. Seattle Outcast

    Given that on any day of the week the NRA is mostly screaming bullshit of one type or another, has ANYONE even bothered to explain why the feds need an army designed for civilian pacification inside US borders?

    You know, other than when Obama alluded to needing a huge military force to deal with civilians. I’m sure it was just election hyperbole that he accidently mentioned before his handlers wanted him to.

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  2. Mississippi Yankee

    Incidentally, the NRA thinks the bullet buying fear-mongering is a bunch of shit:

    Hal your article is dated August 17, 2012. Do you honestly suppose their views may have changed a bit since then?

    “Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to do me harm”

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  3. AlexInCT *

    Actually, it looks like these were purchased by DoD, not DHS.

    I call Bullshit on either your part or whomever sold you that fakeout, Hal. DoD has been buying MRAP vehicles for over 8 years, and that was for service in Iraq/Afghanistan, and your link discusses new orders.

    The DHS ordered these vehicles retrofitted, more than 8 months ago, SPECIFICALLY for use in the US, and they are now getting them delivered. That’s the DHS, not the DoD. There is no reason for the DHS to get mine resistant vehicles with firing ports in it, but they are getting them. Watch the video released by the DHS.

    Keep making excuses if you must.

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  4. Hal_10000

    Hal your article is dated August 17, 2012. Do you honestly suppose their views may have changed a bit since then?

    No, because many of these “suspicious” order predate the NRA’s statement.

    I call Bullshit on either your part or whomever sold you that fakeout, Hal. DoD has been buying MRAP vehicles for over 8 years, and that was for service in Iraq/Afghanistan, and your link discusses new orders.

    As does yours. In fact, the exact same number of vehicles. In fact, the link you have says these are retrofitted vehicles the DoD is getting rid of. This has been going on for a long time. I’ve been complaining about it because it leads to bullshit drug raids like the one I talked about last week. But the idea that this is intended for some sort of mass oppression?

    Yes, this is paranoid bullshit. This is black helicopter stuff. I heard this same exact shit twenty years ago with Clinton and somehow our nation was not turned into a dictatorship. The people you’re linking and reading have been making dire predictions about the overthrow of our Republic for decades. They come up with cockamamie conspiracy theories based on nothing but their own delusions and then never set those theories aside or say, “Gee, guess I was wrong” when it turns out be a bunch of shit. One of the sites reporting this thinks Lady Di was assassinated. And InfoWars has every conspiracy you care to nominate including aliens, 9/11 truthers, moon landing hoax.

    So when Obama leaves office four years from now and has not turned the country into a fascist dictatorship, are you going to admit you were wrong?

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  5. Mississippi Yankee

    Hal your article is dated August 17, 2012. Do you honestly suppose their views may have changed a bit since then?

    No, because many of these “suspicious” order predate the NRA’s statement.

    So you’re saying the NRA has not changed their opinion of the gun-grabbing Obama administration since 8-17-2012?

    All of the rhetoric since Newtown CT hasn’t changed anyone’s mind at the NRA. Yeah, trying to have an honest debate with you is a lot like having an honest one with CM.

    Believe it or not as a 26 year member of the NRA many view have changed since that August 17 statement.

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  6. Hal_10000

    So you’re saying the NRA has not changed their opinion of the gun-grabbing Obama administration since 8-17-2012?

    No. The NRA opposed Obama before and they oppose him now. I opposed him before and I oppose him now. Remember when Fast and Furious was all a plot for a gun control agenda? All that’s changed is the rhetoric.

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  7. Mississippi Yankee

    All that’s changed is the rhetoric.

    All that’s changed is Hal’s rhetoric.

    There, I fixed it for ya.
    Now return the goalpost to their original upright position.
    And you can start with the little issue of Obama was not actively and on the national stage trying to ban “assault weapons, ban 30rnd magazines and attempting to infringe on my 2nd Amendment rights.

    Oh and your little bullshit story comparing Clinton with Obama. I too was around then, as a matter of fact I was an adult then. Probably about your present age. Back then I saw a totally different political landscape. A republican congress thwarted many of Bill’s worst schemes. Hillary-Care just to name one. And also forced him to reform welfare (at least a bit). Don’t remember that Hal? Not part of your narrative®?

    But in 2009-2010 with a WH, Senate and House in democrat hands we had ObamaCare stuffed down our throats. All of the welfare reform is gone and the foodstamp/EBT cult has swelled to unsustainable proportions. The welfare rolls are higher than anytime since the early 30’s. Not to mention unemployment figures which can’t even be calculated because no one in this administration will consider (for purely political reasons) all of the people that have quit looking, or are under-employed.

    Your preferential presidential pick (you knew a Johnson vote was an Obama vote) is right now still in campaign mode trying to restore democrat control in the House for 2014. And it’s my firm belief that a social liberal like you would be tickled pink with that outcome. You Ivory Tower types always believe you’ll become part of the new Oligarchy. Of course History usually points to a much harsher reality.
    In pre and post Czarist Russia and in 1930’s Germany it was the academics and the Jews that they came for almost from the start. But hey, “It can’t happen here” right.

    Look forward to another of your disingenuous, if not downright dishonest retorts.

    BTW no response to Alex on who to and where these urban warfare vehicles are going?
    Color me surprised.

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  8. Mississippi Yankee

    Hal the post is about 2500 MRAP vehicles. Why do you continue to keep CM-ing back to bullets? Do you not want to discuss these urban troop carriers?

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  9. Hal_10000

    Hal the post is about 2500 MRAP vehicles. Why do you continue to keep CM-ing back to bullets? Do you not want to discuss these urban troop carriers?

    Because these are part of the same conspiracy theory. The claim is that Obama got 2700 tanks to go with his 1.6 billion bullets. But the second claim is false.

    Oh, and the first claim is false too. DHS got *16* retrofitted MRAP’s, not 2700.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/homeland-security-serving-warrants-mrap-2013-3

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  10. Mississippi Yankee

    The claim is that Obama got 2700 tanks to go with his 1.6 billion bullets. But the second claim is false.

    Are you saying the DHS does not have an order for 1,6 billion .40 S&W bullets spread out over the next 5 years? That’s 2012 thru 202016 by the way.

    Oh, and the first claim is false too. DHS got *16* retrofitted MRAP’s, not 2700.

    Please explain WHY the DHS has need for even one MRAP? Much less 16 or 2717 or what ever number they’ll finally end up with.

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  11. Mississippi Yankee

    I remember welfare reform being part of Clinton’s election campaign.

    Then even your memory is faulty. Welfare reform came about because it was pushed by a republican House and Senate. Clinton had no alternative.

    “It isn’t so much that liberals are ignorant. It’s just that they know so many things that aren’t so.” ― Ronald Reagan.

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  12. Mississippi Yankee

    “a central pledge” of his campaign

    Nigga Pluz! central pledge?
    It was 1996 not 1992 he knew both bodies of Congress were going to force his hand. Hillarycare came in his first term. You dishonest fucktard.

    Re-write the history of your own country.

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  13. AlexInCT *

    I remember welfare reform being part of Clinton’s election campaign.

    Actually CM, Welfare reform was forced on Clinton, who fought it tooth and nail. We only got welfare reform after the republicans raped the donkeys in the 1994 elections over gun control and healthcare takeover by government fiascos killed the donkeys at the poll. Welfare reform, despite the lies and the revisionist history, as MY pointed out, was done by republican congress. Clinton, the eternal opportunist pretended, but then only after he lost the fight and lost ugly, that it was his idea, But it certainly was not. The donkeys where sacred shitless because with less vote buying they feared a republican win in 1996, and they fought this reform for all it was worth. When the house passed the bill with enough votes that even Clinton couldn’t veto, and they realized the country wanted that and would stick it to them if they tried to derail the plan otherwise, they changed their tune and pretend it was their idea all along.

    The left has never done deficit reduction or fiscal restraint of any kind, though they sure ass hell like to pretend they do. The one instance they use to pretend they are fiscally responsible involves the stealing of the work of others. Kind of like they do with racism, which was the work of the democratic party until the education brainwash managed to convince so many easy to fool people it was the other party that did racism best. Fiscal restraint or good fiscal policy by democrats is pure fiction.

    That’s why I warned people in 2008 not to believe any of the claims by team blue of fiscal restraint and discipline of any kind team blue was making. After 2 years of the Pelosi controlled fiscal policy, starting in 2006 after the donkeys won the house, had showed them jacking up deficit spending, and the past 50 years of proof before that, should have made it damned obvious that we where never going to get any of that. The LSM, of course, purposefully avoided the topic or lied for the donkeys.

    Fast forward and we see more of that for the next 4 years, only to have the “low information voter” and the “gimme voter” reelect the people destroying the country, and just more of the same yet again. The excuse that they had to because of the economy is going to be small consolation for the idiots that gave these people 4 more years, but I get consolation that the people getting hurt the most are the people that gave team blue 4 more years. Karma is a bitch. I will at least get joy out of watching the left burn their unicorn universe into ash. Pitty people that are smart enough to see collectivism and other tea blue policies are a death pact for society, have to suffer along with you idiots.

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  14. CM

    Nigga Pluz! central pledge?
    It was 1996 not 1992 he knew both bodies of Congress were going to force his hand. Hillarycare came in his first term. You dishonest fucktard.

    Re-write the history of your own country.

    Dishonest fucktard? Wow, you really do need to calm down. Did someone shit on your cornflakes?
    I’m not attempting to re-write anything. I didn’t write the Wikipedia entry.

    August 3, 1999

    Six and a half years ago, I asked the American people to join me on a crusade to transform our system of welfare into a system of work; to transform a system of dependence into a system of independence; to prove that poor people could succeed, at the same time, at work and in raising their children; to bring a whole generation of Americans into the mainstream of our life.

    http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/New/html/19990803.html

    One of Clinton’s major policy initiatives in his first term was on the American economy. Clinton’s economic plan included a major expansion of the existing Earned Income Tax Credit, aimed at working-class families just above the poverty line, which helped ensure that it made sense for them to work rather than seek welfare. John F Harris, argues that “this would prove to be one of the most important and tangible progressive achievements of the Clinton years”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bill_Clinton

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  15. CM

    Pitty people that are smart enough to see collectivism and other tea blue policies are a death pact for society, have to suffer along with you idiots.

    YAWN. Boring boring boring.

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  16. Mississippi Yankee

    Dishonest fucktard? Wow, you really do need to calm down. Did someone shit on your cornflakes?

    My country is approaching a very dangerous place right now. Outside provocateurs such as you are much like an ignorant little kid poking an injured dog. (it will not turn out well for you, I promise!)

    Your dishonest actions combined with America’s “It can’t happen here” crowd are bringing on what may become a perfect storm.
    Oh and to the “It can’t happen here” sheeple: Those very same words were spoken in Eastern Europe… twice. First time as the Germans marched east then 5 or 6 years later when the Russians moved west. All of China pretty much felt said the same thing too… before the purge. Pol Pot, Rwanda, Venezuela… need I go on ‘low information voters’?

    I’m willing to bet those four words have been uttered more times in human history than any other.

    I’m not attempting to re-write anything. I didn’t write the Wikipedia entry.

    Yes you are attempting to re-write our history. Innuendo, half truths and outright lies are your stock in trade. As is the intention of this particular Wiki writer.

    Try re-reading what Alex just wrote, he summed it up much better than I.

    My very first stated opinion of you was ” loquacious troll”. Absolutely nothing has changed.

    [I no longer believe you like pretty girls either]

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  17. CM

    My country is approaching a very dangerous place right now. Outside provocateurs such as you are much like an ignorant little kid poking an injured dog. (it will not turn out well for you, I promise!)

    Oooooooo-er, will it involve probing while being watched by drones?

    Your dishonest actions….

    Yeah yeah I’m dishonest. Except the problem is that I’m not. You’re turning into another one of the idiots that spend a lot of their internet time throwing lazy accusations around with no intention of ever backing them up.

    ….combined with America’s “It can’t happen here” crowd are bringing on what may become a perfect storm.
    Oh and to the “It can’t happen here” sheeple: Those very same words were spoken in Eastern Europe… twice. First time as the Germans marched east then 5 or 6 years later when the Russians moved west. All of China pretty much felt said the same thing too… before the purge. Pol Pot, Rwanda, Venezuela… need I go on ‘low information voters’?

    Need you go on ‘low information voters’? How are you intending to “go on” them?

    Yes you are attempting to re-write our history. Innuendo, half truths and outright lies are your stock in trade.

    My lord, you MUST have been looking in a mirror when you wrote that. I’m not the one of the people here who buys into every conspiracy theory within 1000 miles. You know, the ones that rely on “Innuendo, half truths and outright lies”. And if I accuse anyone of lying, I sure as shit can and will explain how and why.
    Anyway, I’m very clearly NOT trying to re-write your history.

    As is the intention of this particular Wiki writer.

    Specifically what is inaccurate?
    The wiki-writer didn’t pen Clinton’s 1999 speech?

    Try re-reading what Alex just wrote, he summed it up much better than I.

    Yeah I read it. It was the same generic post ending in personal abuse yet again. Liberals are all fucking retarded tools, etc etc. Yawn.

    My very first stated opinion of you was ” loquacious troll”. Absolutely nothing has changed.

    Well that’s your issue. Just as lazily making ongoing but unfounded accusations of dishonesty is your issue.

    [I no longer believe you like pretty girls either]

    Ugly ones can have their charms.

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  18. Mississippi Yankee

    “The time has come,” the asshats said,
    “To take away their rights,
    And limit their capacity
    To put up any fights,
    And keep them fully docile
    While their archives we rewrite.”

    CM, you remind me of my g/f”s cat when I tease it with a laser pointer. Fun, but only for a short time. Then it, and you just becomes tedious.

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  19. Poosh

    Helllllllllloooooooooooo.

    Not knowing the exact details but can’t one use Occam’s Razor here?

    Military Keynesian (real Military Keynesian, not the fake BS that far-Libertarians and Ancaps, and Liberals fabricate). Sure, we’ll buy your toys even if we have no use for them. A little bit of stimulus, doesn’t matter what is built or bought. You scratch my back, I’ll make sure someone buys a few of your gadgets.

    That, and / or good ‘ol fashion government stupidly.

    I am always dubious about claims of liberals planning on using military force against conservatives as the vast majority of the military and police are all right wing – liberals know they would not participate in their schemes, if the endgame came.

    If they start building battle-droids THEN be worried. But for now, Occam’s razor dude!

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  20. CM

    CM, you remind me of my g/f”s cat when I tease it with a laser pointer. Fun, but only for a short time. Then it, and you just becomes tedious.

    But I’m sure you call the cat dishonest and it makes you feel better. ;-)

    Where on God’s green earth did I advocate that your rights should be taken away? Come on, why can you not put your money where your mouth is? Alternatively, stop being such a drama queen.

    But for now, Occam’s razor dude!

    Occam’s razor is no match for internet-based conspiracy narratives.

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  21. CM

    Me? WTF? Desperate for what?
    I’m not the one saying things like “My country is approaching a very dangerous place right now” and getting his panties all in a bunch when someone dares suggest something that doesn’t match your narrative.

    I don’t expect you to believe this, but I’d rather you not be feeling that way about your country. And I’m certainly not going to tell you you’re “wrong” or that you don’t genuinely feel that way, or that you haven’t arrived at that place legitimately. But I am pleased you didn’t go balls-to-eyes with those dirty hands…

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