Looks like at least one of the leftists has the guts to call out the LSM o giving cover to Team Blue and the black Jesus on the whole drone striking and Benghazi fiasco. Author, lecturer, and human rights activist Brigitte Gabriel today while being interviewed of all places on Fox News, since the LSM is conspiring to keep the story buried, discussed the hypocrisy of the Democrat-media complex in regard to the Obama drone policies. She mentioned that the number of US drone strikes have tripled during the Obama years and that the same losers that screamed bloody murder when it was being used under Boosh, now are silentI loved her comment about how liberals gutted Boosh for water boarding a handful of murdering al-Qaeda scumbags, but now are mostly silent to Obama’s drone policy. Watch the video.
The facts are coming out. Obama dropped the ball on this and was not present according to the Pannetta hearing. As an old military saying goes: follow the 8 steps of leadership command to success. Obama seems to only do the first 7 of them, and after issuing orders, simply doesn’t pay attention to make sure they are followed I am being told. What can you expect from a guy whose biggest accomplishments have been community organizing and campaigning for 7 years straight.
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Fangbeer says:
February 11, 2013 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm (UTC -4)
LSM
Team Blue
black Jesus
Boosh
Let’s quit with the pedestrian jabs using made up words and veiled insults. I don’t like it when people on the left do it. I don’t like it when people on the right do it. It’s our job to be the adults in the room. Let’s act like it. Let the left have their playground taunts. We don’t need them.
If we have a point to make, as we do in this instance, it should stand out on its own like a lighthouse in the night. Fill it with too much noise, and rational people will simply tune it all out.
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Mook says:
February 11, 2013 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm (UTC -4)
Yet terms like “Boosh” and “black Jesus” were coined by the left, no? Are you suggesting that we should be discouraged from mocking them for it? I think mocking them for that kind of absurdity is useful, and fair game.
I agree that it would probably be more mature in some cases to offer more considered tactful arguments.. but Alex was well within the boundaries of acceptable banter and jabs imho. His milquetoast taunts are nothing compared to the hateful invective coming from the left, who routinely referred to Bush as a “war criminal”, “fascist”, “George Bush doesn’t care about black people”, Rethuglicans, “he’s not my President” etc., etc. as they carried their posters of GW Bush with a Hitler mustache and swastika.
Romney took the “high ground” in dealing with Obama’s outrageous excesses.. we saw how that turned out.
CM says:
February 11, 2013 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm (UTC -4)
Great post Fangbeer. Good on you.
You can’t expect people on the left to call each other out on their shit if you just let people on your side get away with whatever they like (and even encourage it).
“Milquetoast taunts” such as requiring a mental disorder to be anywhere else but on the right?
Who here on the left has engaged in any of those other examples?
Which “outrageous excesses” were those?
You’re suggesting if Romney and The GOP had gone harder against Obama they would have had more support? What could they have done that would have gained them more votes, as opposed to fewer?
Mook says:
February 11, 2013 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm (UTC -4)
Obama campaign lied claiming that Romney’s policies killed a guy’s wife and ran repeated commercials with the husband (a claim later proven to be utter bullshlit). Unfounded anonymous accusations that Romney didn’t file proper tax returns, Obama’s bold faced lies about Benghazi attack blaming a filmmaker (who is still in jail btw) when he knew it was a terrorist attack but it was inconvenient to admit that because he had bragged about putting Al queda “on it’s heels”… allowing Obama to largely evade his extreme excesses of Operation Fast & Furious sending guns to drug gangs in Mexico, not punching back when the Obama campaigned dishonestly painted Republicans as having a “war on women”.
Of note, although not directly attributed to the Obama campaign – Politifacts’ “Lie of the Year” award that they gave Romney later turned out to be true
CM says:
February 11, 2013 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm (UTC -4)
Wait, we can attribute all and every claim made by a Super PAC directly to the candidate?
Your piece only points out that Jeep are beginning production in China, not that jobs are being taken from the US. That was Romney’s specific claim. From other places it seems that no US jobs are being lost. The Chinese made vehicles are for the domestic market.
Fangbeer says:
February 12, 2013 7:50 am at 7:50 am (UTC -4)
Yes. Are you happy with the current divisiveness in our politics? Is it getting us anywhere? Simply saying, “But they do it too” doesn’t make it right for us to do. After all it works both ways. If you behave like a child, so will they.
We can disagree with them. We can be right without having to put down folks that are wrong. We can even argue that they’re ideology is wrong and hurtful. But we’re asking people to make adult choices. We’re asking people to take more responsibility and control of their own lives. Does it make sense to do so in the language of a 4 year old?
Mook says:
February 12, 2013 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm (UTC -4)
Actually, that wasn’t Romney’s “specific” claim at all and it’s dishonest for you to claim that he did. Romney’s ad doesn’t say Jeep was closing factories here in order to open them in China. It merely said that the Italian owners of Chrysler plan to build Jeeps in China, which was/is completely true. It would have obviously been better for US workers if the Jeeps were built here, just as Chrysler builds cars here for other foreign markets, so fair game for Romney to make that point. From Bloomberg:
And it wasn’t a Super PAC who accused Romney of tax evasion, of illegally not filing proper tax returns, it was Harry Reid, the US Senate Democrat majority leader, whose unsubstantiated (still unsubstantiated to this day) bullshlit claims were then echoed by Obama himself
Here’s a whopper for Politifact: “With Obamacare your premiums will go down”.. and “you can keep current healthcare plan”.. “and it won’t cost more money”. Too bad their leftwing politics blinds them and others more outrageous lies coming from ‘their’ side.
CM says:
February 12, 2013 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm (UTC -4)
Ah, no, that is what he said:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/10/27/romney-makes-bogus-claim-about-jeep-in-ohio/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kQ8ugDa1U0
In the advert he dialled it back to an implication (the advert never outright asserts that Jeep is shipping jobs from Ohio to China. It asks the viewer to make that assumption). But in his speech he was specific and clear.
If that’s the point he was going to make, sure. But he went a lot further with his claim (some might even consider it be an “outrageous excess”). Chrysler certainly took issue with what occured, which all originated with that original claim, which was implicitly backed-up in the advert.
Your Bloomberg piece: I assume “making all of its models” isn’t the same thing as saying “we’re shifting all car-marking”. It simply means they’ll make all the models in their range there.
A politician attacking his opponent for not releasing more tax returns is an example of an “outrageous excess”? Huh? Nothing in that advert implies anything illegal. It explictly attacks a lack of information being provided. Hardly anything unusual.
As for Harry Reid, that guy certainly deserves to be hounded until he either backs up his claims or backs down.
Link?
The only result I get in Google when I search for “politifact” and “With Obamacare your premiums will go down” is this one, where he says Obama’s claim that “health premiums in the last two years went up slower than any time in the past five decades” was false.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/oct/04/barack-obama/obama-said-health-care-premiums-went-slower-any-ti/
Mook says:
February 12, 2013 6:48 pm at 6:48 pm (UTC -4)
Fair enough. I wasn’t aware of Romney’s earlier statement (and I stand corrected on that) as most of the criticism that was reported was aimed at his ad, an ad which was true. His political opponents then went to a further extreme, for which they were never held accountable, when they responded that is was a “lie” that Jeep was AT ALL outsourcing to China, as Jeep did in fact outsource production there.. although they didn’t close US plants. But they did outsource to China and Obama knew they planned to do so
If that was all there was to it, you would be correct. Reid stated that he heard from someone who knows (anonymous unsourced) that Romney was evading taxes and illegally didn’t file proper income taxes. THAT is the context in which Obama demanded to know what Romney was hiding. What’s extreme is the accusations that Romney did something ILLEGAL, just like the bullshlt claims of Republicans “War on Women” which the LSM gave Democrats a pass on.. and Romney was too busy taking the “high ground” to aggressively point out these lies and deceit from Obama.. as a result, Obama’s lies stuck.
Here is one. He also claimed/lied that with Obamacare people could keep their insurance if they were happy with it and falsely claimed using cooked numbers that Obamacare would bring down healthcare costs and he lied that it “wasn’t a tax”..
CM says:
February 12, 2013 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm (UTC -4)
That’s cool, I assumed that might have been the case.
That advert mentions “Romney’s false claim about outsourcing to China” and quotes this piece from the Detroit Free Press, which begins:
I might be missing something, but I don’t see:
(1) Where the advert suggests it “was a “lie” that Jeep was AT ALL outsourcing to China”.
(2) How the advert misrepresents the Detroit Free Press piece.
And where is the advert inconsistent with this?
So where did Obama make the accusation that Romney did something illegal? Where did he pick up Reid’s claim and run with it?
What did Obama do differently after Reid’s accusations that he wasn’t doing earlier?
As far as I remember, Obama’s campaign was talking about Romney’s tax returns and tax levels long before Reid stepped in with his shit. Reid’s accusations were only made on July 31 last year. Whereas this is from a week earlier (July 24):
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/us-usa-campaign-poll-idUSBRE86N05B20120724
July 18:
Surely it would be much more accurate to say that Reid made his comments in the context of the ongoing campaign for Romney to explain more about his business/tax history?
Also if politifact was so in the tank for Obama (being so biased as to be rendered blind), why did they not only deal with Reid’s claims, but conclude them to be ‘Pants On Fire”, the worst rating possible?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/06/harry-reid/harry-reid-says-anonymous-source-told-him-mitt-rom/
I’m going to have another look into the specific incidents. I’ve not really found a good detailed response against the ‘War on Women’ narrative. (Not saying there isn’t one)
Yeah I don’t really remember Romney taking any “high ground”. His “ground” was no “higher” than Obama. Notwithstanding the 47% thing, his campaign was riddled with lies and deceit and half-truths. To the point where they didn’t even bother to refute them, they just kept going with more.
The “you didn’t build that” remains the most cynical and obvious example in my living memory. I still cannot believe that not only Romney went with it, but that seemingly reasonable people swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker. Even when the evidence was put right in front of them. Truly remarkable. Such was/is the depth of ODS.
Also, which voting block would they have attracted if Romney had acted any differently? If he took Obama’s (apparent) “low” road, would he have gained more female vote? More black or latino votes? How does that work?
CM says:
February 12, 2013 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm (UTC -4)
Oh I see, sorry, I read your comment to mean that Politifact told a whopper because they’re in the tank. But now I re-read it I see that you’re saying they need to tackle it. My bad. Your comment again:
How would you make a definitive determination at this stage? Your new link (Abc) has a section about savings later on.
If he claimed that some independent organisation or group said those things but they didn’t, that would be a lie they could expose.
What I’m saying that Politifact deals with specific claims that can be proven (beyond a reasonable doubt anyway) to be false, or otherwise.
CM says:
February 12, 2013 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm (UTC -4)
Heading out but interested in what you think of this on the whole tax/penalty thing Mook
http://www.volokh.com/2012/06/28/obama-said-it-wasnt-a-tax-was-the-supreme-court-unfair-or-unprincipled-for-saying-it-was/